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Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 8, 2010 - 12:40pm PT
Welcome to "As The Pig Drags"... Who knew there was so much excitement and drama in climbing!? I wonder who will have who's love child? (Whom will have who's?
Wwho will have whom's? Nope, "whom's" is not a word.)

http://www.deadpointmag.com/articles/view/rumors-speculation-and-joe-garland
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 8, 2010 - 12:49pm PT
Ho Hum, another tempest in the climbing industry teapot.
Iron Mtn.

Trad climber
Corona, Ca.
Feb 8, 2010 - 02:39pm PT
Are Acopa shoes USA made or are they made in Asia too?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 8, 2010 - 02:40pm PT
Acopa shoes are made in Mexico, I believe. Perhaps there's more at acopausa dot com
nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Feb 8, 2010 - 02:55pm PT
Acopa shoes are indeed made in Mexico. I spoke at length with John about this. My recollection is that they found a very good cobbler in Mexico who builds all the shoes to spec. It's why their shipments come in in relatively small batches.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2010 - 03:14pm PT
Nature is spot-on. John searched far and wide looking for the right cobbler and found him in Mexico. A real mom/pop type of place that REALLY knows how to make shoes!
Iron Mtn.

Trad climber
Corona, Ca.
Feb 8, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
That's why my next pair of shoes will be Acopa.....
nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Feb 8, 2010 - 03:24pm PT
I've got a pair of Acopa Legends that are in great shape for sale. Size 10. :-)
Iron Mtn.

Trad climber
Corona, Ca.
Feb 8, 2010 - 03:25pm PT
I'm a 12 ;-) Thanks though!
10b4me

Ice climber
Ice Caves at the Sads
Feb 8, 2010 - 05:15pm PT
I know Kenny Suh. I wish the best of luck to him.
Also, Kenny is a damn good climber
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
Feb 8, 2010 - 09:31pm PT
Is this why I can't seem to find any Mad Rock Haul bags around?

got curious about them, but haven't seen the real deal
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 8, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
Who cares? Does anybody really use Madrock gear?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 9, 2010 - 12:21am PT
look around at the gym, Jaybro, and see if you can correlate the climber and the Mad Rocks...

...smart choice of cheap shoe for a parent who has a kid with fickle sports interests.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
Feb 9, 2010 - 12:26am PT
meh

yeah, pricepoint is nice.
Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 9, 2010 - 12:29am PT
Hey don't put down Mad Rock. They must be good, REI sells a bunch of them!



Edit: If anyone has any extra cash lying around, A16 is looking for an equity partner!

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 9, 2010 - 12:46am PT
Two industry favorites duke'it out - I'm sure everyone in the business is jeering on both sides.
the kid

Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
Feb 9, 2010 - 11:09am PT
here is Joes new deal..


PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Garland Announces New Position with Renamed Climbing Company
Former Mad Rock director to become President of Climb X, Mad Rock’s parent company and manufacturer

PORTLAND, OR
February 5, 2010: Joseph Garland, a founding member of Mad Rock Climbing since its inception in 2002 who announced his departure from the company in early January has returned to the industry, and is now working for Mad Rock’s parent company and manufacturer. Three of Mad Rock’s original partners: Alex Kim, Ken Kim and Joe Garland will continue the business under the new name “Climb X,” with Joe Garland being named its new President. Original Mad Rock President and partner Young Chu will retain the Mad Rock name, but is no longer a member of this group. Climb X will assume the former Mad Rock operation, its distributors, most of its sales reps, international staff, warehouse, factory & production, and product development facility, as well as its Chinese and international warehouse facilities. Joe Garland, who was responsible for most of the newer products developed at Mad Rock, will be working out of offices in Portland Oregon, with satellite offices in Munich, Germany and Beijing, China. Joe Garland will be at the ISPO trade show in Munich Germany from February 7-10 2010 in Hall A4, Booth 118 (Everest GMBH booth) for meetings and to answer questions.

NEW ENVIRONMENT

Climb X stock will be available in early March for dealers and distributors from a relocated distribution center in Las Vegas, Nevada. The logistics of relocating the offices and DC are geared for quicker access to the merchandise for North American dealers, and paves the way for a deeper pool of qualified candidates for office staff. The Las Vegas DC has the benefit of being one shipping day closer to eastern customers, while giving identical ship times to all western accounts as Mad Rock’s Orange County distribution center. As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates. Parties interested in Portland positions are encouraged to contact Joe below.

For more information, Joseph Garland can be contacted at JosephRGarland@Yahoo.com, JoeGarland@ClimbXgear.com or (503) 860 3731

###
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 9, 2010 - 11:16am PT
As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates.


Hahahahaha.

PR doesn't seem to be the new company's strong suit.
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Feb 9, 2010 - 11:21am PT
No kidding. It's funny how I too got that impression.

Wanna job where it's warm, fuzzy, and everyone climbs 5.13 and could be the next star but is just too humble to bother? Go work for BD in SLC.

Wanna work someplace where each day begins with a big FU and your lameness from your corporate sponsors? If you've got the right qualifications, we might consider letting you work in our Vegas warehouse at ClimbX which was MY idea and NOT the idea of my (HATE) former partner who never did anything anyway. LOL
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2010 - 12:29pm PT
As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates.

I don't even know how to close my jaw. So, no one in the LA area knows how to climb? No one in LA has ever done a wall, climbed in the major mountains, or climbed harder than 5.7? Everyone in LA is a gym climber? All qualified climbers are employed doing DNA research and therefore do not need a job?

Someone does NOT know how to write a press release without expressing personal opinions. WOW!!!!
Iron Mtn.

Trad climber
Corona, Ca.
Feb 9, 2010 - 01:33pm PT
What it really means is, they are not willing to PAY the living wage for a qualified candidate in L.A. Much like Wal-Mart......
Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 9, 2010 - 01:48pm PT
Too funny...

"Kenny Suh, the new Director of Sales and Marketing for Mad Rock had this to say, “As we have said before, Joe was not and is not an owner or founder of Mad Rock. Alex Kim was our Production Manager in China and was never an owner or a founder of Mad Rock. Kenny Kim? I don’t know who that is. Maybe he is Alex’s relative or something, but as far as I know he has never worked at Mad Rock.”"


BTW I believe Joe, I mean he's climbed at Red, tsssah.

edit: to correct the spelling of tsssah.
climbrunride

Sport climber
Purgatory
Feb 9, 2010 - 02:39pm PT
I could be wrong here, but it is possible that BOTH sides are correct. IIRC, here is a bit of the story:

Mad Rock, the manufacturer, was started and is owned by Young. He formerly made shoes for 5.10 when they moved production to Asia, then he started his own company, completely owning the factories and all.

Joe co-founded Mad Rock Climbing. (Notice the extra word there.) Mad Rock Climbing was the distribution channel for Mad Rock, so they worked closely together. Basically, Joe and his team built the Mad Rock brand in North America.

Joe is a friend of mine, so I'm probably a little biased here, but I'm trying to read all this with an open mind. Joe is a great guy and good for the climbing gear industry, but he does have a weakness. He just doesn't have a good filter sometimes. In other words, he has the rare quality, appreciated by few, vilified by many, of telling people his real opinion on things.

So his comments in that press release about finding employees in SoCal probably directly reflect his experiences with trying to successfully run the business there. He has run successful businesses in New England, Oregon and Washington in the past, so it's not like he's just some beginner who does not know what he's doing.

Personally, I wish him the best. I'm glad for him that he's back up in the Northwest and I'm really looking forward to seeing what he's got hidden up his sleeve with this ClimbX brand.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 9, 2010 - 02:55pm PT
his comments in that press release about finding employees in SoCal probably directly reflect his experiences with trying to successfully run the business there.

i actually thought that la comment was pretty funny.

actually, i did laugh but for a different reason. given the traditional madrock (and presumably climbx) demographic, the greater la area has to be one of the single-biggest markets or potential markets for the brand. so yea, dissing customers in yr mission statement is pretty funny.

climbrunride-- sounds like they should hire you for interim pr.

and best of luck to climbx--
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 9, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
I was at the trade show a few years ago, and saw the Mad Rock booth. Most of the shoe manufacturers display 12 - 15 styles of shoes that they're marketing, with information etc. The Mad Rock booth featured dozens and dozens and dozens of 'styles', with little information - not even a tag beneath each, telling you what it was. I asked someone about it, and he said that they were displaying all their prototypes. The shoes mostly seemed to me to be variations on a theme - light, slip-lasted, velcro-closure bouldering/short route shoes. Pretty much their niche, and varying the colours and styles doesn't make much difference. But it didn't seem very effective marketing.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2010 - 03:20pm PT
Hint... Press releases should NEVER contain dialogue where someone is, "telling people his real opinion on things"

Press releases are FACTS and USEFUL INFORMATION (well, as far as the company is concerned) and NOT opinions.

EDIT: I must agree re: their booth. I have visited the MR booth at many past OR shows and always been bewildered by the cornucopia of crap on the walls. Long on pretty colors but short on substance. So... my opinion based on a few weeks in the industry (g) is FOCUS and DRIVE TO IMPRESS. Unless, of course, you only want to sell to n00bs in LA gyms who thought it would be cool to do that vertical ascending thing! In that case... LAVENDER is the new black!
Jingy

Social climber
Nowhere
Feb 9, 2010 - 03:26pm PT
"Mad Rock Climbing is happy to announce that the move from China to Vietnam was a success."


One reason not to buy madrock products....


not employing americans... except in sales and promotion within the US...
climbrunride

Sport climber
Purgatory
Feb 9, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
Yeah, what the *&^@? Chinese labor wasn't cheap enough?
climbrunride

Sport climber
Purgatory
Feb 9, 2010 - 03:50pm PT
Hate - agreed on the press release thing - they should stick to the facts.

Opinions should be posted some place like RC.noob or Misty Murphy's site. More people will read it there anyway.







What is the chance that the new version of Mad Rock will bring back the original Loco? I LOVE mine, but they can only survive a couple resoles.
Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 9, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
actually a lot of the outdoor companies are moving (or have moved) to Vietnam. Many packs, clothes and shoes are made there.

The quality control thing is funny, isn't that what they said when they moved to China?

Those pesky Chinese. Their standard of living goes up and they want a buck a day. Gettin' too spensive, where's the closest, marginally developed country we can exploit. At least we're green!!!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 9, 2010 - 03:52pm PT
Srb - lol!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 9, 2010 - 03:54pm PT
A lot of work just to undercut prices on everyone else.

Luckily, climbers as a user group tend to prefer quality over price. In the four months I worked in Joshua Tree the shoe I sold the most was the $170 TC PRO.

I did lose a lot of customers to Mad Rock across the street on the three days they were at the festival. Kind of hard to compete with a $50 shoe when you sell sportiva and five ten.

Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 9, 2010 - 04:20pm PT
Jingy - I agree it's unAmerican to move to Vietnam. If we aren't giving our dollars to the Chinese, who's gonna buy our debt? The Vietnamese? I think not!!!
aldude

climber
Monument Manor
Feb 9, 2010 - 04:40pm PT
Joe is a good guy and has turned Mad Rock into a force in the climbing industry. The Flash is the most comfortable out of the box shoe and one of the least expensive to boot! The rubber is a little soft but they climb well right away - no break in period. Will they last forever? No. Will you ever get them resoled? No - just buy another pair. As a consumer looking for the most bang for the buck I think Mad Rock has a winning formula. I mean who doesn't love :

10$ ultralight quickdraws
99$ Grade VI haulbags
1 $ hangers
50$ crashpads
99$ 60M 9.6 doudess ropes

Good luck Joe!
Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 11, 2010 - 11:24am PT
When Joe Garland responded to a SNEWS® inquiry seeking more details behind his announced Jan. 11 departure from Mad Rock, he said, by email, “I will have a very good answer to everyone’s questions (not just yours) in two weeks. Thanks for contacting me. Sorry to be so cryptic. The reply is worth waiting for.” (Click here to read our Jan. 13, 2010, story, “Garland exits Mad Rock citing internal differences.”)

Although it took a bit more than two weeks, Garland revealed on Feb. 5 via a news release to the climbing media and, we were told, retailers, distributors and other select recipients, that he was launching a new climbing company called Climb X.

While the news itself was not so earthshaking, the manner in which it was presented certainly left more than a few industry readers confused. Based on the release, it appeared Climb X was taking over Mad Rock’s business operations. Naturally, the blogosphere, email churn and more began to go into overdrive, simply passing along the news and sometimes adding to it with potential misperceptions.

In an attempt to sort out the kernels of truth amid the possible hyperbole, rumor and speculation bantered about, SNEWS launched an investigation, including on the ground at Germany’s ispo show going on this week, as well as by phone, email and even fax (old school, we know). Here is what we uncovered:

It is an undisputed fact that Garland has launched a new climbing company with global distribution aspirations called Climb X. It is registered in Canada as Climb-X Sports Inc., and the company has two trademarks approved for ClimbX recently registered in both Canada and the United States. Plus, it was exhibiting at the ispo show in the Everest booth -- the same booth as Mad Rock.

Additionally, neither Garland nor the new Climb X company have any rights to anything owned by Mad Rock, including materials, designs, trademarks, patents, product, etc. Mad Rock’s parent company is Nelson Sports, a California-registered corporation owned by Young Chu.

As for the information in the release -- sent by the PR company Subrosa Group of Nurnberg, Germany, on behalf of Garland -- it contains numerous errors or statements that can easily be miscontrued according to our research.

>> The official Climb X news release began by stating: “Joseph Garland, a founding member of Mad Rock Climbing since its inception in 2002 who announced his departure from the company in early January has returned to the industry, and is now working for Mad Rock’s parent company and manufacturer.”

However, that is not exactly true. Garland has never been an employee of Mad Rock, according to Chu. Even Garland acknowledged Nelson Sports owns Mad Rock in a Feb. 5 email to SNEWS where he stated, “The brand name Mad Rock has been and as far as I know owned by Young Chu and Nelson Sports.” So, Garland is not working for Mad Rock’s parent company at all.

And, while Garland may have been brought in as a contractor to oversee sales and marketing of the new Mad Rock brand around the time of its launch in 2002, calling himself a founding member does appear to be stretching the limits of the definition.

>> The news release continued: “Three of Mad Rock’s original partners: Alex Kim, Ken Kim and Joe Garland will continue the business under the new name ‘Climb X,’ with Joe Garland being named its new President. Original Mad Rock President and partner Young Chu will retain the Mad Rock name, but is no longer a member of this group.”

While Chu acknowledged to SNEWS in a phone interview that Alex Kim was, in fact, made a minority partner of the factory that Mad Rock set up in China, he was not and never has been a partner in the Mad Rock business or the Nelson Sports business. Though Chu did not know who Ken Kim was, Garland confirmed to SNEWS by email that he was Alex Kim’s brother.

It is also important to point out that neither Garland nor the Kim brothers are continuing any business of Mad Rock. They are, as Chu has detailed to us, simply launching a new company: Climb X. And, of course, Chu is retaining the Mad Rock name -- since he owns the company.

>> According to the Climb X news release: “Climb X will assume the former Mad Rock operation, its distributors, most of its sales reps, international staff, warehouse, factory & production, and product development facility, as well as its Chinese and international warehouse facilities.”

In truth, Climb X is not assuming the former Mad Rock operations. Put simply, it is now manufacturing in the same factory in China that Mad Rock has used, Tianjin Hardstone Outdoor Co. Further, according to Chu, Mad Rock has already exited that facility in favor of a new factory that Chu had been setting up in Vietnam. Chu told us that the company was waiting to announce the new factory until it was fully operational, but the news from Garland forced him to go public sooner. The factory is already producing chalk bags, crash pads and other softgoods, Chu told us, and will soon be producing climbing shoes and other Mad Rock gear. International warehousing has already been moved as well.

In a Feb. 5 news release posted to its website, Mad Rock (www.madrockclimbing.com) officially announced the new factory for the first time: “Mad Rock Climbing is happy to announce that the move from China to Vietnam was a success. Even though the transition was difficult, it was a necessary move in the face of overwhelming price increases in China. We will be able to pass on savings to the dealers and consumers while maintaining quality and innovation, which has been the cornerstone of Mad Rock’s philosophy.”

Any statement about distributors and reps in the Climb X news release appears a bit premature. Of the five U.S. sales reps currently working for Mad Rock, three told SNEWS directly in interviews that they were continuing as Mad Rock sales reps. In addition -- other than Everest, a German distributor with whom Garland apparently has a relationship -- Kenny Suh, international sales and marketing manager for Mad Rock, told us by phone and email from ispo, as well as in personal conversations at the German show, that a majority of the international distributors currently working with Mad Rock will continue to work with it.

Garland disputed that assertion -- so at this point, and since SNEWS has not personally spoken with a majority of the existing international distributors, the issue of which distributors are siding with which camp (Climb X or Mad Rock) remains unclear. However, it is worth noting what one international business expert familiar with all the players and many key retailers currently selling Mad Rock told SNEWS: “Even if a distributor is a big fan of Garland, shifting gears to jump on with a brand that consumers have no knowledge of or experience with in any market, especially in an economy that is still challenged in most countries, would be extremely risky. Mad Rock is a known entity and one that is trusted by retailers and consumers. Climb X, no matter how good it promises to be, is just a new brand with no sales or production track record. However, if Mad Rock stumbles for any reason in this next year, in deliveries or quality control from its new factory in Vietnam, the scenario could shift in favor of Climb X. Only time will tell on this issue.”

>> The Climb X news release also stated: “Garland, who was responsible for most of the newer products developed at Mad Rock, will be working out of offices in Portland, Oregon, with satellite offices in Munich, Germany and Beijing, China.”

Both Chu and Suh told SNEWS that the claim by Garland that he was responsible for many of Mad Rock’s product design and development is simply not true.

In a follow-up email to SNEWS where we asked him to clarify his roles at Mad Rock prior to his departure, Garland said nothing about being involved with design and asserted that he managed worldwide sales and marketing for the company with “the Brothers Alex and Ken on the factory, production and financing side, (and) Young Chu (as) middle man and sometime designer.”

Whether or not Garland was involved in any aspect of design or production, this much is fact: Following an extensive search of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office website for any known or pending patents for Mad Rock or, in fact, for any other climbing product design for any other company, Garland’s name does not appear. On the other hand, Chu holds four U.S. patents as an inventor. The first, for a climbing shoe with a concave sole for which the patent was applied on April 23, 2001 -- before Garland ever joined the company and before Mad Rock was even formed. Another patent for a safety buckle, filed on April 24, 2004, was granted Sept. 19, 2006, and another for a climbing shoe heel design was granted on March 14, 2006.

>> The release from Climb X also stated: “Climb X stock will be available in early March for dealers and distributors from a relocated distribution center in Las Vegas, Nevada. The logistics of relocating the offices and DC are geared for quicker access to the merchandise for North American dealers, and paves the way for a deeper pool of qualified candidates for office staff. The Las Vegas DC has the benefit of being one shipping day closer to eastern customers, while giving identical ship times to all western accounts as Mad Rock’s Orange County distribution center.”

In truth, the offices and distribution center are not being relocated, as Garland asserted. He is opening new offices and a distribution center in Las Vegas, as a result of supporting his new company launch -- which has nothing to do with Mad Rock.

As for quicker shipping times, a call to FedEx confirmed there really is no advantage as both Orange County, California, and Las Vegas serve all parts of the country equally well and within the same timetable, east or west.
--Michael Hodgson
SNEWS



Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 11, 2010 - 11:31am PT
Joe is starting to sound like a first class BS artist...probably a really good rep!
billygoat

climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
Feb 11, 2010 - 11:37am PT
Pop quiz time: What do (did?) they call Mad Rock in Korea?

As for Made in the USA climbing shoes, check out Evolv.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 11, 2010 - 01:01pm PT
One reason not to buy madrock products....not employing americans... except in sales and promotion within the US...

that describes pretty much every major playe rin the outdoor industry and basically everyone in almost all the others-- applliances, electronics, shoes, apparel.

unless russ starts building tvs, dishwashers, gameboys, and other housewares and apparel out there on the sand, i think you're pretty much stuck with goods made in the old 3rd world.
Mad Rock

Mountain climber
Santa Fe Springs
Feb 11, 2010 - 01:12pm PT
OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Mad Rock Sheds Some Weight and Passes Savings on to Customers


Santa Fe Springs, CA February 5, 2010: Mad Rock is pleased to announce Kenny Suh,who has been with Mad Rock since 2007, as head of the company’s global sales and marketing team. Joseph Garland, a contracted sales rep with Mad Rock, announced his departure early January. Mad Rock’s sole owner and president Young Chu assures his customers that operations will resume as normal. “Our in-house staff as well as the US and International sales team is excited about the changes and look forward to an even better 2010.”

Factory



Mad Rock Climbing is happy to announce that the move from China to Vietnam was a success. “Even though the transition was difficult, it was a necessary move in the face of overwhelming price increases in China. We will be able to pass on savings to the dealers and consumers while maintaining quality and innovation, which has been the cornerstone of Mad
Rock’s philosophy.”

Contact:
Kenny Suh
Kenny@Madrockclimbing.com
800.959.5792
###

Nelson Sports Inc.
Mad Rock Climbing
12878 E Florence Ave
Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670
800.959.5792

Also here is a link to a reliable industry news source on SNEWS. You must be logged in to read.

https://www.snewsnet.com/cgi-bin/snews/login.html?dest=Climb_X_launches_generates_confusion_021010&expire_message=&needed_group=Subscription
Abissi

Trad climber
MI
Mar 9, 2010 - 10:01pm PT
I thought Evolv was owned by Nelson Sports, not MR.

As a retailer i hate $59 shoes. If you ever had to spend a 1/2 hour fitting someone with a pair of shoes that you are going to make around $24 on (less when you add shipping) you will understand why. I stay away from cheap shoes because I can't keep my doors open and sell cheap product.

Besides, put a $59 shoe on one foot and put a similar $95 LaSportiva on the other and tell me you can't feel the difference.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 9, 2010 - 10:48pm PT
mad Rock flash is one of the best shoes that I have owned. Cheap, comfortable, climbs well and takes a good resole.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 9, 2010 - 10:50pm PT
Besides, put a $59 shoe on one foot and put a similar $95 LaSportiva on the other and tell me you can't feel the difference. end quote.

the last pair of sportivas that I bought delaminated at the toe and the rubbers is hard and slippery.

mad rock flash is an awsome shoe!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 9, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
Shoes are just shoes they do not the climber make.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 10, 2010 - 07:08am PT
Seems like most of the other shoes are about $120.00 and the mad rock are about $70.00 that is half price folks. If the other shoe companys don't feel the need to be competitve then thats just the way it goes.
Tfish

Sport climber
La Crescenta, CA
Aug 16, 2010 - 07:23pm PT
Mad Rock doesn't make slings anymore, but Climb X has them and they are nice.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 17, 2010 - 12:21pm PT
"other shoes are about $120.00 and the mad rock are about $70.00 that is half price folks."

Hey, wanna loan me some money? Seeing how you're good at math and all.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Dec 2, 2011 - 10:09am PT
It's over! We can all give a collective sigh of relief.

"A nearly 15-month legal tussle between climbing brands Mad Rock and Climb X has reached a settlement with each side claiming a win.

The settlement, which was accepted by the U.S. District Court, Central District of California, Nov. 29, 2011, dismisses Mad Rock’s claims against Climb X that included allegations of patent infringement, trademark infringement, common law trademark infringement, false advertising, trade/libel disparagement, misappropriation of trade secrets, unfair competition and conspiracy.

In exchange, Climb X’s insurance carrier Oregon Mutual will pay $150,000 of Mad Rock and its parent company's Nelson Sports Inc.’s legal fees. And Climb X will make certain statements of fact on its website, although those statements admit no guilt to the charges above.

The feud between the two brands began when Climb X founder and manager Joe Garland left Mad Rock (www.madrockclimbing.com), citing internal differences. (Click here to read the Jan. 13., 2010, SNEWS story.)

A subsequent press release announced the launch of Climb X (www.climbxgear.com), but created confusion in the industry, according to Mad Rock officials. (Click here to read the Feb. 5, 2010, SNEWS analysis of the press release.)

Garland started Climb X in the same Chinese factory Mad Rock had just left for a new factory in Vietnam. In September 2010, Mad Rock filed its lawsuit with the above charges, claiming $2 million in damages. (Click here to read the Sept. 20, 2010, SNEWS story on the lawsuit filing.) According to court documents, the court dismissed in March 2011 the patent infringement charge, but the other charges such as copyright infringement were still scheduled for trial in fall 2011.

Mad Rock marketing director Kenny Suh told SNEWS the company ultimately did not want to push the case to trial because it would have had to spend a lot of money on legal expenses, bringing in experts to prove its case. Mad Rock still considers the ordeal a win because the settlement produced statement of facts from Climb X.

Those statements of facts, which are to be posted on Climb X’s website's “About Us” page for six months, per the agreement, include:

>> “Garland was never an officer, shareholder or director of Nelson Sports.”
>> “Neither Climb X nor Climb X Gear LLC has ever been affiliated in any way to Nelson or Mad Rock.”
>> “Young Chu (Mad Rock’s president) was the primary designer of the Mad Rock products. Garland along with other staff of Nelson had input on design and colors of the Mad Rock products."

Climb X also agreed to cease using the product names “Drifter,” “Nomad,” “Asylum,” “Mad Monkey,” and “Monkey,” some of which both sides had used and Mad Rock claimed rights to. The settlement goes into effect after the current version of Climb X's 2012 catalog.

Garland told SNEWS the case is a win for Climb X because the major claims were dismissed. “In the long term, things will play out,” he said, with "two brands competing" on different products, pricing and customer service.
David Clucas - SNEWS"
Slater

Trad climber
Central Coast
Dec 2, 2011 - 11:25am PT
“In the long term, things will play out,” he said, with "two brands competing" on different products, pricing and customer service.

I hope so because right now the Climb X shoes at the top of this website look exactly like the Mad Rock shoes.

I hope they change that up.
The more styles, options, price ranges the better for us the climber...

and it's all about US right?

;)

Climb on everyone!
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Dec 2, 2011 - 12:27pm PT
What an F'n circus. Drop some cash on some US made goods:

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Dec 25, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mad-Rock-Mad-Pad-Crash-Pad-Black-One-Size-/251759490676?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9e08f674
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