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Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 2, 2010 - 11:58am PT
It's the dead of winter, the days are short and cold, the nights are dark, long and colder. People are totally wigging out.

So here it is, a Meltdown Appreciation Thread.

You know you love 'em, even if you claim you don't. Everyone loves a good train-wreck, don't deny it.

Post up your faves here. There's PLENTY out there.



Probably the fastest 800+ posts in the history of SuperTopo:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1069798/I_nearly_LOST_it

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1072603/The_Great_Disappearing_Thread_Thread

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1075407/Supertopo_Needs_a_Moderator


edit: LEB eventually hijacked this thread and turned it into her own meltdown.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:10pm PT
THIS THREAD IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!


brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:12pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1076946/List_Of_Links_To_Meltdown_Threads
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
like real-time!

nice!
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:15pm PT

I don't really want to see the one I had on LEB/Lois...

But IF it crops up...

I'll get what I deserve...

and TAKE it!!!...

I DEFFINATLY wigged on the poor lady...

But then, a good friend had just died...

and though it's not an EXCUSE, it is in fact WHY I lost it...

Plus her being a NON CLIMBER at that point in time, for some reason really bugged me...

what with this being a "CLIMBERS FORUM" and all...

But from that "Meltdown" I learned a FEW things and even have grown to appreciate Lois in an ODD way...






and of course...

there was Cosmics "Meltdown"...

It "WUD" be interesting to see how many there are...










Maybe Werner "CUD" count them for US???...









and "FOR THE RECORD"...

I DON'T want to see Rokjox LEAVE the forum/site...

Certainly NOT what my intentions have been...




Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:29pm PT
I'm melting!!!111666
Credit: Mighty Hiker
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:31pm PT



So is Blitzo...

Credit: locker
...


Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
I've got a meltdown on LEB, the political poll one, I can't find it though.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:33pm PT
LEB had a "MELTDOWN"???...



I MISSED that one...




GLUE EDIT:

I often JOKE about "Sniffing GLUE" etc...

well...

just MOMENTS ago...

was working on Marks "School Shoes" (Soon Mark!!!) and had forgotten to OPEN the WINDOWS...



FUK!!!...

Instant HEADACHE!!!...

































"I'm GONNA die!!!"...

Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
This one was a cage-match tag team mosh up

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1023743/Results_of_the_ST_Political_Pulse_Survey


Another

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1029448&tn=0&mr=0
Jingy

Social climber
Nowhere
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:46pm PT
suddenly.. I find the meltdowns to be pretty funny.....!!!

specially when locker is involved..

I'm not going to comment on what about lockers posts is so funny to me.. just know that they are funny, and the guy makes alot of points (as far I I am concerned)....

and to my knowledge, he has not completed a "meltdown" before our eyes... (except for the one on LEB/Lois,that he admitted to, and has learned from.. I no longer feel that sending the guy to jail for argueing points on the internet...





and to be sure... I only watch racing to see the crashes when its any american style racing (circle track "is" racing... but for left turning dummies... I'm not one of them, and circle track racing "is not" racing in my eyes) but I most defilitely see european racing as much better.. more refined, and more based on how goo d adriver is, rather than how many people don't crash out before the end of the race....


cheers all, and keep the meltdowns coming
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 12:51pm PT
There seems to be a RokJox theme in many of these.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=918389&tn=0&mr=0
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 12:56pm PT
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:00pm PT
Screw all of you.

I have had many meltdowns and none of you have pointed them out. I am
getting my lawyer and will be rectifying this very soon.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

Consider this a legal notice.


Skip
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:01pm PT
I've had my share of meltdowns here...

Graniteclimber, UncleDoug, Karl, et. al. were the objects of my scorn!

Fish even had me steaming one night, but he was trolling (effectively).
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:07pm PT
"(circle track "is" racing... but for left turning dummies... I'm not one of them,"...

It IS and I WAS...


For a couple seasons of REGIONAL 1/2 mile, dirt oval out at Willow Springs International Raceway...

fuking BLAST!!!...



Hawkeye EDIT:

I forgot about that one too...

Open Forums offer all sorts of information...

that's for sure...

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:10pm PT
the worst meltdown on this forum was dirtineye (rip) and happie recounting their former love life....
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 01:26pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=967550&tn=0&mr=0
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 01:28pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1010150&tn=0&mr=0
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:45pm PT
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!!!! The melting Nazi guy from Raiders of the Lost Ark!!! Nice Pull!!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
Excellent work, Pate - those last two were real doozies...

Let's knott forget this one:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=832131&tn=0&mr=0
(missing a whole shítload of posts - evidentially self-deleted)

-nor this:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=832598&tn=0&mr=0

-nor this:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=834284&tn=0&mr=0
jstan

climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:14pm PT
While I don't remember ever melting down I did get some drippings on me once. Not so bad.

A meltdown is really just a grandiose public declaration that no one need pay any attention to you for awhile.

Since no one ever pays attention anyway, meltdowns are largely redundant,
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:15pm PT
HK, those were ultra-Classics!!!!
gcclimbing

climber
www.Arizonas-Vertical-Web.com
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:18pm PT
please tell me the ST cabin fever goes away when the snow starts melting.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:19pm PT
Mostly......Kinda.......Almost......Not quite.
cheers!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:27pm PT
HK, those were ultra-Classics!!!!

Indeed. They should be savored at one's leisure, preferably accompanied with a glass of fine wine or single-malt scotch...
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:49pm PT


"A meltdown is really just a grandiose public declaration that no one need pay any attention to you for awhile."...


that's a "GUD" one for sure!!!...

Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
Hey skipt- I can't remember the name of the thread where you and I were going at it because you said I was a woman hater with a tiny dick who can't get laid.

It was some t*r thread I think. Cant find it, but it was pretty funny. Any ideas?

(Obviously you can tell that I am a huge grudge holder and I take these things VERY serioulsy......)
nutjob

Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
Feb 2, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
I mostly avoid the melt-down threads, but I recall someone analyzing a steve+mimi+_ scenario. Some discussion of ethics.

Wings of steel part 368 ?

fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 2, 2010 - 04:58pm PT
I've never had any disagreements with anyone.




Where's Mutt.............err I mean Matt.




The evil one
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 05:03pm PT
This one is fantastic, the Pate vs. Afghani (Mason) Part 1.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=993967&tn=0&mr=0


And some fall-out bickering

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=999067&tn=0&mr=0
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Feb 2, 2010 - 05:08pm PT
Hey Pate, lay off my Afghani brutha!!!

That was an awesome battle....Good sport by both of you guys too! I just got ultra-f*#ked up on Sat with him at a party. I ended up falling on stuff and breaking things. The martinis were 'strong'.

(had nothing to do with him...my belligerence. I gotta stop that, but damn if that martini didn't send me over the 'edge'.)


EDIT: Yeah, the Matt discussions were pretty classic!
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 2, 2010 - 05:11pm PT
I'll be hosting Edris at my office tomorrow, maybe we'll go at it in person.



The evil one
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 05:14pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=967550&tn=0&mr=0

(There's a GREAT Locker original in here............. don't tell Lance)

I just went through it and RJ has deleted every single one of his posts unfortunately, there were some gems.
nutjob

Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
Feb 2, 2010 - 05:15pm PT
I seem to recall someone whose name spelled backwards was timjar. Was there a code of conduct that forbade repeating the name? Got to be some good threads googling that one! One that got Werner to melt down?
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 05:19pm PT
nah, bluering, me and Edris see eye to eye now, there' nothing going on there. We PM'd a few times about skiing/riding, and I gave him props for his J-Tree tr.

But that was a fantastic row we were in.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 2, 2010 - 05:25pm PT
rajmit was gud. bring raj back...compared to raj RJ is an angel.

but the drama rivaling any good soap opera is here....
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=199558&tn=0&mr=0

i miss dirtineye, rip.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 2, 2010 - 06:00pm PT
Keep 'em coming! I'ma gonna check 'em alll out!

Good one Skipt!
Prod

Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
Feb 2, 2010 - 06:13pm PT
I went off on myself on this one.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=831006&msg=831010#msg831010

Prod.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 06:17pm PT
Hawkeye- that one is awesome! Nice score.



Prod- you've got the skills to pay the bills bro! You have been honored by having Michael Kennedy tell you to shut up! I bow to you sir.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 2, 2010 - 06:24pm PT
Preofessor Fate = DR.Kodos.....wonder what happened to him?
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 2, 2010 - 06:27pm PT
He has/had MS and that is a progressive disease which takes a great toll on people. It is particularly aggressive in middle-aged men. Sadly, he may no longer be able to post. Believe it or not, I actually spoke with him once on the phone.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 06:31pm PT
Get off this thread Dog-Face.
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Feb 2, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
Hey skipt- I can't remember the name of the thread where you and I were going at it because you said I was a woman hater with a tiny dick who can't get laid.

Hey Pate,

I'm not sure I used quite this wording but it seems close.

In my defense I think I also said you were the one guy I would most like to have a beer with but would never let you near any of my daughters. :-)

But don't get me wrong, I'm still lining up lawyers to sue the hell out of you so your still not off the hook.

But, for the sake of taco harmony I would be willing to settle out of court.

You would owe me one ski lesson. (I would still supply the beer.)

Most importantly I need to learn how to fall better (I am the king)

At least learn how to fall without taking out an entire lift line like row of bowling pins in the process. (Trust me when I say I've done this.)

I am quite sure everyone on the slope would be deeply appreciative of your efforts if I could learn this skill.

Thanks,


Skip
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2010 - 07:43pm PT
Although it's unethical for me to accept alcohol for a ski lesson, I am able to accept a few hours with teenage daughters.

As for falling, always forwards. Try to stop yourself with your face.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 07:51pm PT


"Although it's unethical for me to accept alcohol for a ski lesson, I am able to accept a few hours with teenage daughters."...



If possible...

"CUD" ya ask if'n they'd be willin to give me 30 seconds???...
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Feb 2, 2010 - 07:53pm PT
LOL!!!

As for falling, always forwards. Try to stop yourself with your face.

I know this "special" technique already. Damn, who would've thought I'm already doing it correctly.

Thanks.

Take care pate talk soon,


Skip
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:16am PT
Pate is my puppet, my marionette.
He posts whatever I want.
But I cannot stop him.
And he learned how to ski on his own. I hate snow.
This is weird. My experiment has gone horribly wrong.
Pate=Chuckie.

Let this morph into
The Official Pate Meltdown Thread.

My apologies,
jefe
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:21am PT
I'm thinkin' meltdowns will leave a terrible stain on the rug.
Might even have to replace it.
And it tied the room together so well, man.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:31am PT
Skully~
at least the carpet matches the drapes now.
EVERYTHINGS MELTING MAN, WTF?

Residual post toasties, i guess.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:34am PT
Just checking in to say; thank you all I survived my melt down. It does appears as if some posters have ample surplus free time.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:49am PT
While my marionette may shatter into many pieces on the floor, it will reanimate and continue to rage.
God help us.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:59am PT
philo,


Good to hear from you, how are you feeeling?



The evil one
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:05am PT
Like the sun came up on a frozen bivy. Thanks Jeff.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 08:07am PT
philo..................... hook us with the link to your meltdown, it's a jungle in the archives.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:14am PT
Pate, it has already been linked a few times on this thread.
It was not a pretty sight. But like my a$$ it's behind me.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:16am PT
Good news philo, congrats.




The evil one
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 08:22am PT
philo, it's all art. I'd rather know someone who gets fired up and eats humble pie than someone who's unable to show some emotion to begin with. Boring people.

As far as being linked to, most of the threads I posted have a certain guy named Pate in them.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:24am PT
Cheers, DrlJefe.

Residuals, indeed.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 08:24am PT
See, humble pie.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1013665&tn=0&mr=0
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:24am PT
Look, is it SO hard to just write a little synopsis of each meltdown link so we DON'T have to go and read EACH FRICKIN' ONE like it's some GODDAMNED EASTER EGG?

Is it?

WELL??~@!@@@@@@!!111111

Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 08:26am PT
cmac should be posting play by play meltdown recap analysis videos on the new YouTube channel.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 08:32am PT
This one was AWESOME

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1032747&tn=0&mr=0

Unfortunately anastasia, in typical female style, pulled most of her posts. Lame. Why is it that chicks have such a hard time eating humble pie?
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:36am PT
stich,
do you have kleenex handy? antidepressants may be required for those who are at risk of another meltdown.

EDIT:

pate in that last one there was a pate888, shouldnt it have been pate666???
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:44am PT
When somebody or something causes you to "meltdown," it is really not all that big a deal. What it means is that you have some issue(s) which you need to look at, work through and, then, patch up the dike.

Remember, "that which does not kill me, makes me stronger." On some levels, our enemies and opponents DO make us stronger. What we don't want to happen is to let them kill us.

Now, Pate, for whatever artistic talents he has (and there are a few there) also has a sadistic streak. He delights in making people (or at least trying to do so) miserable.

So when Pate or someone equally mean-spirited "strikes," look at what he is picking at and see if you can shore up that part of your persona so as to come out stronger for his efforts. Ask yourself, what is this little jerk picking at which hurt me? Pate is sort of like those infrared photos which show you where the heat is leaking out of your house in the winter. You can actually put his malevolent posts to good use.

Think of people like him as an entity on a "search and destroy" mission. That is what he hopes to do but no one need join him in the gutter. He/they don't have to destroy you but rather such people can actually help you. They show you where the dike is leaking.

Remember always: "That which does not kill me, makes me stronger."
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 08:46am PT
Hawkeye- that wasn't me. We have an imposter(s) around here. I saw that too.\

edit: LEB, I hope you're wearing that bag over your head today.
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:46am PT
Many times, in the radioactive ooze of a meltdown one can find unspent fuel rods that can be recycled.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:49am PT
"unspent fuel rods"...hahaha...

LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:53am PT
stich,

Great insight! Remember even poo can be useful. Instead of just letting it sit around and become offensive - put it into the garden and turn it into manure.

I think of Pate as potential manure .......which is really a shame because he is actually incredibly talented. It is just that he prefers to give energy to his sadism rather than he does his artistic side.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:55am PT
LEB,


There's nothing wrong with being evil, perhaps Pate is in training to join Dick Cheney and myself.



The evil one
Flaccid

Gym climber
U.S. of fukkin' A
Feb 3, 2010 - 09:03am PT
A MELTDOWN OF COSMIC PROPORTIONS

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=926792

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=928072&tn=0&mr=0

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/930329/I_feel_manipulated_by_Cosmics_deletion_from_ST_1111
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 09:04am PT
Flattery will get you nowhere LEB.

I could fill this thread with links to the political threads where there are mini LEB induced meltdowns, and pages and pages of LEB ridiculously defending herself instead of admitting idiocy.

You can't even come on this thread and admit that you've been an as#@&%e at times, like all these guys have manned up and done. I think that's a typically female trait, you never hear much self-deprecation. I even got a cryptic, bitchy email late, late last night from one of the females on the forum who was pissed off that I linked to one of her (extraordinary) meltdowns.

LEB, I'd have a lot more respect for you (read: any respect at all) if you posted a link to some of the outrageous sh#t you've posted during the times you've been backed further and further into a corner. There are plenty of them. You would then be able to diffuse what you claim to do in posts like the above, you would disarm people's ability to call you a self -centered, opinionated misinformed idiot who seems to display serious masochistic tendencies by being practically the only complete non-climber on a climber's forum. Like a football whore.

How about it LEB, can you find one of those links that I know you think about?
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 09:19am PT
My, my, my........did not we just get a bit hot under the collar? You have a streak of mysogyny and I just so happen to be a convenient target for you, at the moment. That is why I keep pushing to you call up some(one) of your former taps and make a "booty call." You need it, Man! You need to recall that women can have some positive value in your life.

Now as far as me being "wrong" about things. Well, of course that is so. Duh.... so what else is new? What did you think, I was going to bat 1000 every single time. If someone corrected misinformation I had or else taught me something I did not know, then that person did me a favor. This site is not about perfection. I learn things all the time around here. Dirtbag, for example, is always filling me in on stuff I did not know. I run stuff by him all the time. He is but one example. Nobody "knows it all." There are only self-delusionists like yourself who believe it is so.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 10:15am PT
Credit: Pate
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:16am PT
Everybody better check out the Republican thread, there's about to be a melt down over there.


The evil one
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:20am PT
Not again!

Dude, I just got the last one outa the rug.........
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:29am PT
Nuclear explosion about to happen on the Repub thread.



The evil one
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:32am PT
Pate,

Here is a perfect example of what I am referencing. It does not matter what picture or photoshop manipulation you post because I have come to grips with that issue. You have become powerless to affect me in that way i.e. you made me stronger. I have (long before) come to terms with the fact that I had a reasonable amount of beauty in my younger days - enough to attract whatever men I was interested in - and while it was nice then, beauty (and strength, potency for men) fades with aging. I am approaching the 6th decade of my life and so many truly good people passed before me and did not even have the opportunity to experience so much life. So I am fine with my appearance and my age. I have a very full and graced life. Now, it is time now for me to serve others.

So then, nasty people such as yourself and others here have come to help me realize this "truth" and now I am fine with it. In fact, I am now "stronger" for it and you lost yet one more weapon.

I would encourage everyone to do the same. When some sadistic person on this site posts something hurtful, take a step back and see what issue they are raising for you. Rather than "go away mad" or "melt down," look at why the photo or the words bothered you and see how you can deal with it in a way which makes you better. Soon, your enemies will have nothing left but a fist full of straws - totally unable to penetrate your skin. Pate and his kind can only hurt you if you allow him to do so.

Once again: "that which does not kill me, makes me stronger."
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:34am PT
LEB,

Back at the sheriff's academy, they taught us "don't get mad, get even".



The evil one
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:38am PT
absolutely, Jeff, absolutely. Very well put.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 10:39am PT
just keep tellin' yerself that LEB.

I'm only doing this for their entertainment.


fattrad- that's the first time I've ever clicked on that thread over there. The Horror, The Horror.

fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:42am PT
Pate,

this one could get real ugly. And, these are real life friends, I really hope Dr. F is ok, I don't want anyone to really suffer.



The evil one
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:49am PT
pate,

It is interesting that you define "entertainment" as synonymous with attempts to hurt people. That, BTW, is the definition of sadism - just so you know.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 10:53am PT
Credit: Pate
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:59am PT
Hey, Fattrad.

Polititards=Boring
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 10:59am PT
LEB, you need to go a little more lightly. The only reason any of us read the train-wreck threads are because they're entertaining. That's just American culture. That's what sets you apart in this forum, and probably in life. You have no clue what people are thinking or feeling, you assume they are all taking things as seriously as you.

Most of these guys aren't climbing too much over the winter, and a lot of us make our living outdoors, when the weather is less severe. Until TR's start to go up regularly again, ST is a time-suck that's a lot more interesting than TV, and easy to hit up while slaving in an office.

It's not sadistic behavior LEB, it's just a joke. I'm sure the 5th grade teacher used to tell you the same thing.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:02am PT
time for my meltdown, right here and now. i am calling you out LEB as part of the whole problem with medical care in the USA, have you no principals?

http://supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=653865&tn=20

LEB said -
I typically do not prescribe the pills even when people request them because of the potential damage to the liver and other organs. I do an end run around the situation by sending the patient off to a dermatologist thereby dumping the problem into his or her lap and letting that person deal with it. I tend to turf stuff whenever a patient wants something which I personally do not want to prescribe for safety reasons. I suppose it is a cop out some level but I manage to get away with it and the specialist, the patient and I are all happy with this approach.

yeah, send the patient to a specialist so you both can charge $ to the unsuspecting patient. Think the car in lockers tailpipe pic and you and the specialist doing the patient.

where the f%%% are your principles as a medical professional? does anyone else see something wrong with this picture (not lockers but LEB not telling the patient her professional opinion...)???

Anastasia

Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:07am PT
Yes, that was "mine." Took it down simply because it was out of hand, childish (especially on my part) and not productive. Plus, I should know better; what a person gives to the world is what they receive.
AFS



LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:11am PT
Hawkeye,

Lamsil and other meds designed to treat toenail fungus can be potentially very dangerous and, thus, outside my scope of practice. Given to the wrong patient or a prescribed in an injudicious manner and they can destroy someone's liver. BTW you just can't go to the drugstore and pick up a new liver. Hepatic failure is fatal.

This why God made dermatologists and other specialists. These are not "safe" meds. I have done precisely what the law (and good ethics) require me to do. I refer my patients to a specialist when their illness OR their requests are outside my scope of practice.

Practicing outside the scope of one's practice is an excellent way to get sucked into a lawsuit for malpractice AND lose one's license to prescribe meds......to say nothing of harming the patient. People are specialists for a reason and people are generalists for a reason.

If it is all the same to you, I will just continue follow the laws of the states wherein I am licensed to practice (versus your ill-informed advise).
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 11:11am PT
Credit: Pate

that's a little better. not much though. still need the bag.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 11:17am PT
anastasia, posts are posts.

Once a bullet is fired it can't be taken back. Deleting a post is only painting over the mark that the bullet made, it's still there.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:26am PT
LEB, WTF are the victims paying you for then? you can't tell them about hepatic failure then?

BTW, BITCH, i used to do pharmaceutical research so HS type posts like yours remind me of the one thing nurses like you are good for (calling LOCKER!)
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:31am PT
this thread has the potential to become a meltdown thread...ingenious.

Hawkeye (?seriously now) it's dark narrow and stinky up there..pull your head out now. .

y'ur gonna die
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:38am PT
I mostly just lurk here, but I've got to say that after reading some of this LEB's (LEBIA?) posts, I've concluded that she is a totally disturbed person. Thinking of her practicing medicine of any type gives me the willies.
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:38am PT
Hawkeye: BTW, BITCH....

Now here is a man who sets a fine example of self control and the ability to hold an intelligent conversation.

What they are paying me for is to evaluate their complaints, diagnose their problems and decide whether this is a problem which I can appropriately treat in my office .......OR whether this problem is beyond the scope of my practice and thus should be referred to a specialist (as required by law, just for the record).

Treating persons for illness and problems for which one is not qualified to handle does not serve the patient's best interest. Again, since you seemed to miss it the first time I told you (reading comprehension?), I will tell you again ....practicing outside the scope of one's expertise is a good way to get involved in a malpractice suit, lose one's license to practice......AND (worst of all) harm the patient.

These are not difficult concepts to grasp and even you can do so with a little effort.

PS I DO tell them about the liver failure and why the medication is ill-advised. If they STILL want it (and many DO still want it) - I do most certainly refer them to a specialist to prescribe and manage this therapy.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 11:44am PT
LEB- this is a campfire. A campfire where climbers sit around. If you can't take the heat, or the smoke is blowing in your eyes, get up and move along.

Climbers hurl insults, especially when they are deserved. Get used to it or go away, but sticking around and kicking up dust is a little immature for a 70+ year old like yourself.
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:48am PT
Pate,

I just LOVE being in your company and so I stick around because I just KNOW your life would be utterly and irreconcilably devastated should I leave. You would veritably fall apart at the seams. And, oh, BTW, I am pushing 80 or is that 90?
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:48am PT
looks like LEsBo
grew another tentacle.

Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:51am PT
I wonder how many of these folks are the same person?

That's some sketchy shizz right there.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:56am PT
This stuff is good, but if you want to see nasty, wait till Dr. F gets on the Repub thread, brutal!!!111666



the evil one
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 12:04pm PT
Nurse LEB only practices TRADITIONAL medicine:
































Credit: Pate
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
Pate,

Yes, indeed, we must remember to include a holistic approach. We must not discount the value of Native American (and other tribal societies) spiritualism.

Actually, the truth be told, it IS very important NOT to ask the patient to choose between their traditional beliefs and (new age ones, for that matter) and allopathic medicine. We must select an approach which meets all of a person's needs. To a Native American, for example, including the recommendations of Shaman in his care plan is very important. He need not, nor should he be asked to, abandon it just for the sake of having some allopathic medical treatment. While you may joke about it, in actuality respect for people's cultures and traditions is very important ..................


But of course you KNEW that already because you are omniscient. We are very fortunate to have an all-knowing being such as yourself in our midst.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:18pm PT
LEB~
funny how you always gotta tell pate he needs to get some. Homeboy could get more ass than a toilet seat if he wanted, being the dashing Ivy League/mountain man/ guide/professional writer that he is. He is abstaining~ going on a theory that the DSB is actually good for our climbing. It worked for Hollywood Hans BITD, but you wouldnt know that cuz you ain't no climbah, and you didn't lebbify the Hans thread(edit: yet). Oh sh#t
But Pate IS Chuckie, and lives on...
so LEB, if you have any dolls in your house, I suggest you incinerate them, along with any knives you own.

And for the record...
BEAT IT LEB.

THIS DRL MELTDOWN BROUGHT TO YOU BY JEFE IN CONJUNCTION WITH AT+T WIRELESS. additional sponsors: kind bud, paint, weirdo homeowners, and lunch hours.

back to our regularly scheduled meltdown/flamewar.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 12:19pm PT
NOYCE!
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:22pm PT
drl: BEAT IT LEB.

In your dreams, Baby - in your dreams.


"He is abstaining" Oh Lord, no wonder he ever in such a foul mood. So you mean my theories about him were actually correct (eyes rolled). Lord, have mercy. Someone please enlighten this dude and explain to him that is it not an either/or deal
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 12:29pm PT
for all of 3 days.

LEB, if you are as old as you look it's been a while since you tasted any sugar. And even then I would assume you had to "brown bag it".
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:31pm PT
pate,

well, this is reassuring. Yes, it is true, Pate, I am just SOOOOO old- looking.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
Pate~
remember what I say
"nobody does me like I do".

LEB's man probably lives by that too.

LEB~"in your dreams"
My dreams are filled with rainbows and sugarplumbs and splitters and perfect pits and my my beautiful gal... not hopes of some kooky, non~climbing hag leaving the Taco. Although, that sounds pretty good, almost as good as a perfect pit. Well, not really.
I stand by my claim
BEAT IT LEB.
or, SIT ON IT POTSIE!
this has been swell.
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:39pm PT
drl,

You wish, Baby, you wish.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:42pm PT
LEB, you were saying how pate needs to git some.

actually i think you need it, go tackle your husband and git after it girl, might do you some good. plus it will take you away from here for a bit, just think of all the good that will come of it!
BooYah

Social climber
Ely, Nv
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:43pm PT
Way to state the obvious, you silly bitch.
He DOES wish....THAT YOU'D GO AWAY.

You're Just like that other moron, the Rocky one.
No wonder you were pals. Or are you the same person?
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 01:11pm PT
Hawkeye,

Well, it seems it seems to be all OK on that front. I am not aware of any problems in that arena.

Now here is the story. I am off for the day and I am working on my husband's business taxes....and you KNOW how boring and tedious that job is. And, worse, there is just so much data to process before I plug it all into turbotax. Once you get all the data organized on spreadsheets, it is a piece of cake to enter it into TT but the data organization is tedious. Somehow, I managed to get this job along with cleaning the kitty pan - I "lucked out" on the division of labor. Anyway, it is SO boring and this site is so interestin, by comparison, that I keep clicking over. I use a combo of Quicken and spreadsheets so that helps.

Whenever I am working on taxes or business data, you guys all see a lot of me. I would recommend you sort of think of it as purgatory - the chance to work off some negative karma.
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 01:12pm PT
Boo,

Yeah, we are the same person. That makes a whole lot of sense. We must be.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 01:17pm PT
yawn
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 01:38pm PT
LEB, you have the tedious part down pat...
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 01:41pm PT
Hawkeye,

Out of curiosity, are you a drug rep or something akin to that. Just a stab in the dark but wondering. You seemed just a tab defensive so I am wondering if my hesitancy to RX certain drugs takes money out of your pocket, in some way. Again, just a stab in the dark but it is sort of an odd thing for you to remember my reluctance to prescribe certain drugs for so many months.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Feb 3, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
Thread melt down has been attained. Well done.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 02:03pm PT
yawn.



Give it up.




Read the posts above beginning where you entered this thread and then ask yourself "why am I even here?"
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
drug reps only know what the drug companies tell them. typically they do not have a science background so the questioning atttitude is not there. i did not remember your post that thread was up and running and i was glancing through it when i saw that your typical response to a patient was to send them off to a specialist for a little toe jam. that certainly helps the insurance and medical bills doesnt it?

LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 03:27pm PT
Well, this is reassuring. I was wondering if you called me a bitch (nice?) because I was taking the position of caution on behalf of a patient instead of lining the pockets of the drug companies.

Now, one thing you have to understand in all of this, is that patients do not always do what you wish they would. You explain to them that the hazards of the medication they want outweigh the condition they are requesting you treat. You explain how the medication is quite toxic and it requires close monitoring to avoid damage to their liver......and they STILL want it. Worse, they drink or they take a variety of drugs which ALSO taxes the liver. But, never mind, they want it anyway ..........AND should they so happen to develop liver damage, there will be some nice tort attorney (thank you, Obama) willing to sue the hell out of you. He will put you on the stand and DEMAND to know why you RX'd that drug.

Next, the state will want to know why did you prescribe out of your scope of expertise. Are you not keeping up with the latest on pharmacology (as required by law to do)? Finally, once you have a malpractice suit against you - however ill-begotten - now there is a black mark against your name and no one else will insure you when your policy runs out - or if they do, they will put you in a very high risk pool and charge you big (and I do mean big) bucks. Once future employers hear that you are in a high risk pool, they don't want to hire you because their group claims go up. So, then, forget about changing jobs. You are screwed. (Thank you Mr. O for blocking tort reform)

And so you want me - in spite of all of this - to give the guy the med he is requesting (demanding is more like it) because he saw some turkey on TV advertising it to him. No thank you. If they insist they want the meds - even after you told them otherwise - then they go to a specialist and it is HIS (or her) call as to whether or not they get it and, then, what kind of monitoring they will need.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 03:35pm PT
Go start your own thread LEB. You're totally unwanted here.

From now on, stay on your own threads and the political threads, and stay out of the campfire ring.

LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 03:41pm PT
Sorry, Sweetie-Pie, does not work that way. Did not you like my response to Hawkeye?

Now you CAN tell me that we are getting off track and you are quite correct. We are going a bit far afield. So then, let's return to your topic of "melt-down" where you hope to be able to embarrass a variety of nice people (presumably because you are bored).

OK, then, back to "melt downs" No doubt you've researched a bunch of them and you are now ready to show up a whole variety of new people. After all, nothing like tormenting people, is there?

So, then, carry on............... let's see the next "melt down" you have found. Who is your next "victim?" Who can you make squirm next?
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 03:46pm PT
Guys, guys, drop the bickering with LEB, concentrate on the big prize, Dr. F's buddy calling him out on the Repub thread, this should be a doozy.



The evil one
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 04:06pm PT
LEB, you're such a total loser.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 04:16pm PT
LEB, don't put your thoughts into my mouth, makes me ill.

i did not say to write the script, your a moron. as a patient i would expect the medical professional (and in your case i use that term loosely)to use their best judgement in the treatment methodology to be used. but if your comprehension of your patients is anywhere close to what your readin comprehension is, the poor suckers dont have a frickin chance...
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
melt down. here you go LEB, RJ cums to see you and he is all distraught. he wants some medical marijuana and a BJ? since you like him so well i doubt you send him to a specialist...
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 04:23pm PT
RJ,

Who is RJ? Medical marijuana is not legal in the state where I practice so we can't RX it for him. As for BJs, well, you know it would be considered "unprofessional." Not allowed. Can't do it.

Edit - Oh, I just figured out who RJ is. Nope, we are both married (and happily so, I might add). Can't do it.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 3, 2010 - 04:24pm PT
I see...I see...

A remake of MASH, with LEB playing Margaret ("Hot Lips") Houlihan. She would do particularly well in the shower scene.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 04:24pm PT
your buddy RokJox will be disspointed to hear that....
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 04:26pm PT
Nah, I don't think so. Rox speaks very well of his wife and I never got any notion that he was not happily married. I am sure he "looks" around just like any other guy but I don't see Rox having an affair. And, I certainly would never do so. I don't think so, Hawk. Not going to happen
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 05:36pm PT
who said anything about an affair? like bill clinton said it wasnt even sex!
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 05:44pm PT
Yes, Hawkeye, I did once have a married man tell me that BJs were not sex (this was before the whole Clinton thing). He told me they were, in fact, "innocent." The problem is/was that some people who were significant in his life - not the least of whom was his wife - did not interpret it in quite that same way.

For the record, BJs ARE sex, although I have known any number of men who have maintained otherwise. They are not esp "innocent" activity between two people.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 05:48pm PT
LEB, you're so sad and lonely. You'll post about anything at anytime, even if it means talking out of your but.

Probably the strangest participant on ST, and that's saying a lot.

locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 3, 2010 - 05:56pm PT

"I am sure he "looks" around just like any other guy... I certainly would never do so"...
















































Disregard the phone message I left this morning...

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 05:56pm PT
pate, you could put that last post into some artwork couldnt you?
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 05:57pm PT
Well, Pate, if you'd like to come over and do these business taxes - I would be most grateful to leave the computer and do something else. Problem is I can't pay you for your labor. Barring that, you are stuck with me for a while, so long as I am glued to this machine.

In addition to the whole tax thing (and I have two businesses with tax returns due and one personal to do) there are the 5 online courses to teach. Translation - LOTS of time at the computer and you are but an icon away at any time. I am afraid you are in for a long haul, Buddy. If it is any consolation to you, I find you highly amusing and entertaining
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2010 - 07:19pm PT
LEB, you're so crusty and old you could drop dead at any moment. I'm just going to wait it out.
Butoou

Sport climber
Malibu
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:32pm PT
Pate

Once again you rock rockboy

Maybe one day our paths will cross

love and hugs from the Bu
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:36pm PT
Pate,

Yup, any moment now.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:53pm PT
this has turned into a pretty funny thread...


If only Rokjox would come back and JOIN the fray...


It's the ONLY way we can have...







































BALANCE...




































Credit: locker
...


LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:03pm PT
Locker,

Here is the thing. Sometimes I believe you don't realize how truly offensive some of these graphics you post really are to some people. I don't believe you really mean any harm by them and some of the graphics truly are very funny. Some are hysterical.

But........honestly, at times, you simply go over the line. People have different levels of tolerance and constructs of "decency." I think you just crossed the line in this particular case and I doubt you meant any real harm.

Sometimes we all don't realize the effect we have on others. I am forever driving people off the deep end and I really never mean to do so. We all of us probably need to be more sensitive to the effect we have on others. This is esp true of those of us with very strong personalities like you and me.

locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:16pm PT

How about you be YOURSELF Lois...

and I'll be MYSELF...

and that way we'll be...

OURSELVES...

Sound like a PLAN???...
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:17pm PT
You people should get over to the Repub thread, Dr. F should be having his meltdown any second now.


The evil one
LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:32pm PT
It IS a plan, Locker but sometimes when we are being ourselves we hurt people. I am always amazed by the number of people I drive off the deep end. I am just being "me" to quote you and suddenly all manner of people are foaming at the mouth going stark raving mad over some atrocity committed in their little world. Trust me when I say, I know this issue from the inside.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
شقوق واس
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:34pm PT
To thine own self, Be true.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:57pm PT

"sometimes when we are being ourselves we hurt people"...


True dat!!!...

But that's TRUE for EVERYONE...

LEB

climber
PA
Feb 3, 2010 - 09:06pm PT
It tends to be true more for people with very assertive and strong personalities. I am forever unwittingly stepping on people's toes even though I try desperately not to so. I have but to exist for it to happen.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:23pm PT
we call that turkey elbow.

hold out your arm and pull down your elbow skin like a dewlap.

if it sticks, you are old.

Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:27pm PT
No, It's called Bingo Arms.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:33pm PT
6 of one, half a dozen of the other, it's all good.

i hope you appreciate this because that roach clip started to hurt like hell,

Turkey Elbow>



now do you want to see what puppy hands are about?

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:36pm PT
No Wayno they are called Bingo Wings. Flap, flap, flap.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:37pm PT
Man, you gotta admire some of these lurkers,




Peeking out of the closet at the same time that they're,....USING that closet!

rokjox = roxjox

leb = lebia

pate = pate88
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 4, 2010 - 12:28am PT
Bingo whatever. It's the imagery that counts. Don't fek with me man or I'll sue you and your offspring and I'll kick your ass so hard your DNA will be damaged.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2010 - 05:21pm PT
The Ultimate LEB Thread (or-Don't Let The Door Hit Your Ass On The Way Out, or- Don't Go Away Mad, Just Go Away or- LEB, Can't Converse With Her, Can't Shoot Her)

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1078365/The_LEB_Thread
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
more of a super-dork confused bitch and moan fest, but still pretty entertaining.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1109533/Has_ST_become_a_sausagfest
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
Mar 7, 2010 - 07:39pm PT
Herein lies the coveted script to erase LEB from the pages of your forum forever. We shall call it "The One Script" and it shall be Lord Of All Scripts


http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1108086&tn=0&mr=0
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 7, 2010 - 07:49pm PT
The ultimate collective melt down thread has to be Dr F's and minions.


Quickly approaching 20K posts.





Sturr'in up that bunch is more fun than an eight year old with a

sunny day,

magnifying glass

and an ant hill.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 7, 2010 - 06:13pm PT
meltdownage bump.
Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2010 - 02:28pm PT
couldn't resist.




it still makes me laugh!
gonzo chemist

climber
Crane Jackson's Fountain St. Theater
Aug 6, 2010 - 02:44pm PT
Beth Rodden on Meltdown...


Credit: gonzo chemist
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Apr 22, 2011 - 01:00pm PT
This thread badly needs updating.
cleo

Social climber
Berkeley, CA
Jul 16, 2011 - 03:31pm PT
is there another one in the making?

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1555241/SuperTopo-vs-Girl-Friend-To-the-Idiot-in-DC-metro-area
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