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brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Feb 1, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
Whats wrong with the way things have been going?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Feb 1, 2010 - 01:53pm PT
The site seems pretty good these days, what's up?
Reilly

Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
Feb 1, 2010 - 01:54pm PT
Credit: Reilly
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 1, 2010 - 01:55pm PT
Supertopo will cease to exist with the addition of a moderator.

You of all people should know this rox, if there was a mod, you would already be history, not that you wouldn't take others down with you.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 1, 2010 - 01:56pm PT
Oh H*llllllll No!!

jstan

climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 01:57pm PT
"It need be only someone with the general consensus of the population,"

I rest my case.................
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 1, 2010 - 01:57pm PT
NO moderators. That's what makes this site good. You want moderators go to rockclimbing.com.

If someone's really out of line people will email those with the mallet and they will get the whack a mole. Perfect.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 01:58pm PT
RJ, If you just ignore people that bother you, they go away. Do you want moderating of your free opinions?
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Feb 1, 2010 - 01:58pm PT
One of the great things about Supertopo is that it doesn't need a moderator. The combination of very well-thought out an well-written content and the presence of acknowledged legends in our sport who are also very mature in their dealings on this site create a very good environment.

Bruce
MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:00pm PT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
With all due respect, if you don't like a particular thread, don't go there, stop patronizing it. This forum is hardly a base pit. I'm here, I invest my precious time here, because I found it to be one of the most dynamical forums on the internet. Way to go, Owner, of Super Taco!
pc

climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:02pm PT
Worst idea of the new decade.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:02pm PT
NOT NEEDED! Just ignore the threads that get out of hand. Ignore the threads that are off color. Ignore the political threads. Ignore anything that gets up yer arse. It's that simple.

If a moderator starts moderating me... I, for one, will be visiting FAR LESS OFTEN! (I have a wife who does my moderating.)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:02pm PT
Its just a troll folks. Move along, move along, nothing to see here.

DMT
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:03pm PT
I vote no mods.

I've had my feelings hurt on this site & it was by YOU Roxjox. Others too.
When I'm pissed with this site, I lurk & don't post. Then when I'm ready to be abused again I come back.

You've had a meltdown, okay.........so did Cosmic.........so did philo........whatever, whoever.

If you don't like the fire get out of the fry pan.

locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:05pm PT


"Supertopo Needs a Moderator"...




I VOLUNTEER!!!...


Now where's that "BLUE BUTT PLUG" photo that got me BANNED a while back???...
Gene

Social climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:07pm PT
19 posts in 17 minutes.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:07pm PT
Lord, help me to change the things I can,
Accept those things that I cannot change,
And give me the wisdom to know the difference.

Nice job cragman! I've said that one more than I'd like to admit.....


(I have a wife who does my moderating.)

IHP, my personal fave. HA HA hahahaaaa!!!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:08pm PT
Credit: Pate
Prod

Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:11pm PT
I vote for a co chair.

Locker and Pate.

Prod.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:13pm PT
I'm IN!!!

Really though , the only moderator needed is one who will moderate solely RokJox's posts.

I volunteer.
atchafalaya

climber
Babylon
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:14pm PT
Moderator?

YOU had another meltdown, another classic example of an old guy taking the internet waaaay too seriously. Try self-moderation. As in drink less, think less, and post less.

Try not to think of Supertopo as your full time job.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:17pm PT
Part of me strongly agrees with the "no mods" sentiment expressed in every post above.

But this climbers' forum, no less than MySpace, has shown a real capacity for runaway cyber-bullying. Fun for some.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:18pm PT
I see this thread having a nice long life.



Live long and prosper!

d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:19pm PT
.......like jack needs a popsicle.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:20pm PT

fattrad...

I NEVER thought I "CUD" fall in love again...

But your POST above???...











































are you MARRIED???...



...



Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:30pm PT
Credit: Jim Brennan

Remember what MOM said about "it's all fun and games........."
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:30pm PT

It's hilarious the way you include others names from ST that are sort of on your side...

I "Manipulate" images...

you try and "Manipulate" the ST crowd...








EDITED:

"But when I DID ask SEVERAL times, and over a TWO MONTH period for a reasonable request to be filled!"...

Uh...

let's see...

you emailed HOW many people over the past few days???...

you CALLED how many people over the past few days???...

you SUPPOSEDLY took the time to contact a LAWYER the past few days...

you EVENTUALLY took it to CMac...

yet you DIDN'T email or contact ME???...

What am I MISSING???...


karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:31pm PT
How about just someone to nix all the christian republican d#@&%e spray? Climbing climbing climbing! Keep it to climbing people. Your politiposts are so boring and end up bumping good climbing material off the front page. I come here because I want CLIMBING info, not ignorant republican brain goo. Isn't there a teabag party website for you people?
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#143491
MTucker

Ice climber
Arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
No.

Full time cencorship sux.

This site already has the rep of "Glad handing and backslapping".


You're cool.

No you're cool.

You're cooler.

You climb harder.

No your the best.

I know I am the best but you are good too.


TwistedCrank

climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:33pm PT
What's a moderator?
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:38pm PT

you were going to spend HOW much to "SUE" me (supposedly)...

ALL this BULLSH!T on YOUR part...

ALL this emailing, calling, crying...

ALL this LYING, MANIUPULATING etc...

ALL you had to do was CONTACT me...

DIRECTLY...

WHICH you DID NOT do!!!...




NOW...

use your FAVORITE word...

"Decent" again please...


Because DECENT you AIN'T!!!...

;-)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:42pm PT
The whole thread is a troll.

DMT
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:43pm PT
the WHOLE thing might as well be a "TROLL"...

Because IF the dude was REALLY that SERIOUS about those IMAGES...

and he took the time to do ALL of this BS (emails, calls, Lawyers)...

How come he NEVER got a hold of me DIRECTLY???...

DOESN'T make sense to me...

Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:44pm PT
But you have photoshopped my face a few times too many, and on images I would break faces over.

I intend to start trying to make some changes in your comfort level.

I will spend time into the indefinite future finding ways to screw with you.

You gotta be one of the stupidest people of all time.

I don't care about you, I don't care about what you want....This should serve as legal notice.

you ain't so much as a pimple on Ouch's ...(foot).

I think of you as being unclean, a mentally dirty person,

Good NOTHING. I hope you have nightmares.


If I were in the same room as Locker, he would either be fighting right now, running for the door or getting his ass whuped.

Now I have found this picture of locker and his family. WHAT do you think I am considering doing with this charming, innocent photo? I can also do cheesy hack and paste jobs. What perversion can I paste these faces into?

You been a real disappointment Pate.

I saved Supertopo from a great databomb that would have exploded everyones computer screen in their faces, and the Buttplug that created the data bomb is looking for me to co-habitate.



All from one thread. The ones about "smashing faces" have mysteriously disappeared. Also the "stalker in your backyard who poisons your dog and blows you away with a shotgun" seems to have vanished too.

There are hundreds more like this on all kinds of other threads.


Who needs moderating? RokJox, maybe start with yourself.

Moderation would be a good thing for your life, both with booze and with words.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:47pm PT
He's doing it again DMT, make him stop.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:47pm PT

I'm with you Pate!!!...

and people here KEEP taking up for the guy...

WHY???...


Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:47pm PT
I have no interest in setting a precedent.

Supertopo Needs a Moderator( forum topic)

Posted within 10 hours of each other.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:48pm PT
Credit: Jim Brennan

Maybe this GUY is looking for work.............
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:52pm PT


Vituperator, heal thyself.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:52pm PT
WHY???...

Because he's a human being and we all need a little help at the rudder sometimes.

I have been a sorrowful piece of sh*t a few times in my life, and there are people who stood me up, and stood next to me rather than tossing me out with the trash.

I have always gotten a kick out of your humor Locker, but you could use a little back-off soup yourself sometimes......

locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:53pm PT

"Now I have found this picture of locker and his family. WHAT do you think I am considering doing with this charming, innocent photo?"...



photo not found
Missing photo ID#143498
...


Tell my Daughter...

"HELLO!!!"...

;-)












EDITED:

Survival...

True dat!!!...



However...

ALL he had to do was get a hold of ME...

WHY all this OTHER bullsh!t???...

So in THIS situation...

I STRONGLY dissagree with you...

Having a "BAD TIME" in life is NOT an EXCUSE for pulling the crap he has...


NO CIGAR!!!...


Prod

Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:56pm PT
hahaha.

Locker you kill me.

Prod.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:56pm PT
Well, maybe if it's Guy Smiley!.....
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:56pm PT


{b]I AM





a




















MODERATOR

photo not found
Missing photo ID#143432


errr, I mean a Manipulator.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
That's me looking away isn't it????

I'm suing gad-dammit!
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:00pm PT
and Rockjox could use a little humility. He puts down other people, brags about his use of alcohol and drugs, and then throws a tantrum over a photo that supposedly might jepodize his chance of getting a job?
I think if Rocjox had eaten a little humble pie and asked for the photo to be taken down in a decent manner, it would have been. But he wasn't decent about it, wasn't humble ever, and now wants his cake and to be able to lord it over the guys who poked back at him.
Like my dad always said, 'If you're going to dish it out, be prepared to get it served back to you."
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:02pm PT
Why would THAT be?
The firin' up part.
I agree on T*R's lil car.
Daphne

Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:03pm PT
First of all, 99% of the time I don't open politically oriented threads, and I never open one that looks like its raison d'etre is to inflame. So I actually have no idea the specifics of this issue. But I've seen this before-- here and in the non-internet world.

If certain posters like stirring up other posters by posting opinions and arguing those opinions, there's going to be fighting. If you don't just back off, you are likely to get hurt.

If you did the same stuff in a bar, you'd get into a bar fight. Do you like to get into bar fights? Aren't you just asking for a bouncer here to protect you when you could protect yourself just the way you do in a bar? ("hey, dude, sorry, whatever, I am backing down here..." then you walk away and tell your friends and you all agree about what an a@#$hole he was, but not so he can hear you)

If you feel your fight survival impulse come up while on supertopo, use your flight survival impulse and back away. To a climbing related thread. Where the rest of us who have no need for a moderator hang out.



Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:03pm PT
Is that Lockermonkey's tail or is he just glad to have Cosmicmonkey at his side ?
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:03pm PT
I'll be the first to admit that I don't always agree with everything people say on this site. I've probably offended some people myself, maybe. If I walk into a comedy club and the content offends me, I leave. Polarizing views on politics, personal morals and religion are ALWAYS going to offend someone. But I respect their right to them as long as they're are not actually taking someone's civil rights away. (of course that's open to interpretation also)
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
Fattrad, I agree, but I also try to quit grinding away when I've had someone's head in the dirt for awhile.

Someone has to back off first.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
"I think if Rocjox had eaten a little humble pie and asked for the photo to be taken down in a decent manner, it would have been"...


CORRECT!!!...

Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
I also try to quit grinding away when I've had someone's head in the dirt for awhile.

That conjures up serious memories from Freshman year in high school.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
the reason that photo was PRODUCED in the first place was when Dipshi!t was super BIG TIME bad mouthing "FISH"...


He got what he DESERVED and I HOPE he is ENJOYING all of this...


EDITED:

let me clairify...

I used the term "Bad Mouthing"...

SLANDER is the word I should have used...

Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
As an aside, the infighting that goes on here is ARGUING LITE.

head on over to a site like www.arguewitheveryone.com ...................................but be prepared! It's 5.12X over there.
Greenland Fishery

Trad climber
Toxic Spill, Wisconsin
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:29pm PT
I would accept a moderator as long as that person is male,Republican and a non-climber (did I just repeat myself?).
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:30pm PT
F*#k that. Barney Frank is our man.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:31pm PT
as a frequent lurker and seldom poster my two cets are that locker has sniffed way too much glue and rox feels bad cuz he dont wear the same underwear as his neighbors...

MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:31pm PT
How about an Extremerator!!111 - you know, someone that exacerbates every situation, says the wrong things, and deletes random posts.

Now that would be cool!

;)
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:34pm PT
I'm with Mister E.....Let Chaos reign Supreme.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:35pm PT
Ok ok ok ok

I'll be moderator.

DMT
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:35pm PT
hey Hawkeye...

LEAVE my "GLUE" out of THIS or I am going to HAVE to contact C Mac...







"Skippy is deliberately taking posts and threads out of context to confuse the issue. Its a despicable tactic."...



YOU are the one taking things out of context...

MANIPULATING as BEST you can...


EDITED:

hell...

you even KNEW what I was going to say had you called me...

How does THAT work again???...





locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:37pm PT
hey RockBlowHard...

BLOW ME!!!...



EDITED:

now go COMPLAIN about how I just PROVED your point...

;-)
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:38pm PT
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
I am the Great & Powerful Oz!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:38pm PT
The virilent cross posting actually serves to prove my point.


DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Credit: Pate




locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:39pm PT


"You are welcome to repost them AGAIN on the "great disappearing thread thread","...

No thanks!!!...

Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:40pm PT
LOCKER:

I hereby ask you with great restraint and conviction to please remove your above posts on this thread that have no place here, and are off topic. The topic is "supertopo needs a moderator". Anything not relating to that is Off-Topic.

You are welcome to repost them AGAIN on the "great disappearing thread thread", where they have already been answered TWICE. But they have no place here and only serve to distract and confuse my excellent thread.

Wow! That was fast!!!!

We have a moderator ALREADY!!
TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:41pm PT
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:41pm PT


THREAD DRIFT:


...
nutjob

Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:42pm PT
First thread on the list, gave me a chuckle to see this title. I haven't read anything else here yet :)
jstan

climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:43pm PT
I went over to argueanything and looked at several threads. The one entitled "socialism" had the most comments;141.

A lot of the posters were posting data. Was it all good. No. It had some spin posts, certainly.

Take a look at it.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:44pm PT


...
Jingy

Social climber
Nowhere
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:45pm PT
so.. you want some sort of regulations to be imposed....?



regulating what is writen/done by the people here on supertopo...?



Not sure the republican base s=is going to get behind you on this.. as they seem to only want no regulation.. except for those who stry from their party line (in other words if a repub does it its ok, if non-repub does it it's against the rules..)

yeah.. good idea.. but I have to vote no confidence in this new proposal



Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:45pm PT
This thread is about the need for a moderator.

True. And on that subject, what we have so far is one vote for a moderator, and (I haven't counted the separate posters) every other vote for no moderator.

Even folks who have suffered some unpleasantness themselves are not voting for a moderator.

I agree with you that a bunch of the stuff that's been posted to this thread belongs on that other thread, but if you could somehow magically remove it, what you'd be left with on your original topic is:

ST needs a moderator:
Those in favor: 1 vote
Those opposed: Dozens of votes

Do you see a trend emerging?
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:45pm PT
Don't bother, Nutjob....It's just wanking.
Almost as entertaining as a deli session, sometimes.


Will YOU be my Mommy?
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:50pm PT
So we have a man standing for the position of Voluntary Supertopo Moderator.

He appears to me to be a fine man of good repute and respect. He makes a good candidate.


Do I have others? We should leave the floor open for a couple days at elast for fairness. Only a small percentage of the supertopo audience and population is so far in attendance on this thread. We surely want to get MANY opinions, not just one, like from the guys who like the ONE that has had SEVENTEEN THOUSAND POSTS in a little over a year.

read: "I'm Going To Disneyland!"
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:50pm PT

I am of the OPINION that THIS...


BELONGS on this thread...



photo not found
Missing photo ID#143530
...









High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Tall Silos of Iowa
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
There's a troll over on Norton's thread. He's been "killin" me. But I don't want him moderated.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:55pm PT
I'm serious - I will be moderator. CMAC emailed.

DMT
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:55pm PT
BUMP!

Oh wait...
Yhis thread needs a bump like
this site needs a moderator.

Self moderation, ROX.

SERENITY NOW
SERENITY NOW
SERENITY NOW
TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:58pm PT
you reap what you sow
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 03:59pm PT
I usually sow beans, cukes, maters, maybe some okra. ;-)
jstan

climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
he dont wear the same underwear as his neighbors

Odd that you brought that up. It isn't all that bad on ST.

One of the people I worked with was in the Seals. Now that is a pretty tough bunch. There it can get bad. Bob told me of one mission that required them to swim ashore, cut through beach defences in complete darkness, crawl through a mine field and then hike 200 cliks in a big loop through the blazing desert. At risk of being discovered they were in real danger for close to a week.

After five really bad days the sarg gathered them together and apologized for not providing the change of underwear he had promised. “But”, he said, “ I will now rectify that situation. Bob, you and Sam trade underwear. Jim, you and Fred do the same. Shall we get on with the mission now?”
TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
aye skully, that's what I call a victory garden!

you also sow good will
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
Credit: Pate


SERENITY NOW!
Gene

Social climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:01pm PT
Locker for Moderator......


which would be no moderator at all.


I like it. It'd honor RJ's request and answer concerns about a moderated forum. Peace in our time.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
Wrong SEVERAL people have expressed a need for a moderator.

Yes- there are at least that many other people occupying the space between your ears.

can someone say Lithium........................................................
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
Aye Tom.....Learnin', don't cha know.

Grins.....;-)
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:04pm PT
ROX = SYBILL

Can we talk to Lance, I want to talk to Lance.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:05pm PT

"Locker, you are trying to play a technicality to get around what the OWNER of this site asked you to do TWICE. Please remove the vile photo from this thread."...

WRONG and JUST another MANUPULATION on YOUR part...

C Mac NEVER and I REPEAT...

NEVER asked or REQUESTED that I REMOVE that photo...

For that matter, NEITHER did you...

I have C Macs email saved and will POSt it IF need be...

but for the RECORD...

In it, it REQUESTS, NOT demands, that I remove ONLY the TWO images that you COMPLAINED about...

ONLY the 2...

and by the way...

in that SAME email...

C Mac made a point to tell me HOW MUCH he enjoys my MANIPULATED images...








I SURELY hope that people here are NOT falling for the CONTROLING issues you appear to be having...
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:05pm PT
A moderator is not necessarily someone who would be an iron fist quelling dissent. A moderator would encourage people to behave like adults and ask that certain things like that picture above be removed.




























Moderators are great.

Credit: Pate



pc

climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:06pm PT
Excellent. Let's make this our official Taco request thread:

I'll add:

1. Please surface TR threads in main forum but make them live forever in TR land.

2. Please send Rockjox to the garbage bin. He's truly an annoying troll.

Sincerely,
pc
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:13pm PT
I am poor, really, and cannot afford much medical care or prescriptions. I use booze, weed and occasionally self hypnosis, when I can focus.


RokJox for Moderator!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
Rok,
Here you are advocating against any kind of censorship, and touting ST as a last bastion of free speech.

Stop ragging on me about what I (deleted) relaxation and pleasure. I make the points here about it because this is a forum that hasnt been censored yet and so I can dare to tell it like it is, as can we all. (deleted) is a VERY political statement and this forum is one of the last remaining bastions of freedom of the press and speech, MUCH restricted, despite the US Constitution. It (deleted) has very little to do with my life external to my friendships as you can bet I cannot admit to its (deleted) in my secret idenity as mild mannered > (name witheld to protect my freedom of speech (??WTF!!)
Liberty (!!??) and association.

Come back into the fold man!
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:24pm PT
In terms of anti-social behaviour, perhaps we should talk about how women on SuperTopo are treated, both on and off forum. Particularly young women. Harassment is a polite way to describe some of it.

Most posters here are grownups, and responsible for what they say and do. And most are identified persons, and so accountable - the noms de plume are mere figs of convenience. Grownups can or should be able to take care of themselves. If they can't, or if they indulge in inflammatory behaviour, not our problem.

Although the good old boys club dogpiles sometimes found here can be a bit much at times.

Someday I hope a sociologist follows ST for a few months as a lurker, and then writes about what he/she observes.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:28pm PT
Now THAT'S funny......Thanks, Skip.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:29pm PT
Things I Wished I'd Learned in Klettergarten

Type twice, post once.

Least posted, soonest mended.

Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.

The early poster gets the thingie.

Tis all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Don't drunk when posting, or post when drunking.

Respect is earned, and is a privilege, not a right.

It's all fun and games until sometimes pokes a post out.

Don't post anything you wouldn't say to a person's face.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:55pm PT
i vote no. and fwiw, roxjox, at times your posts have rubbed me the wrong way -- usually on days when i'm taking the three-ring-circus in my head way too seriously.

we don't need no moderator at the crags, and we don't need one here either. the combination of benign neglect and self-policing seems to do good enough.
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
Supertopo does not now, nor has it ever needed a full time moderator. The random nature of the moderating, ie. whack-a-mole, encourages people to self police the forums and come to a community consensus about what goes on. That's the best way to manage any forum. Otherwise, you have insulted parties running to the mods for justice for this and that and the whole public process is just tired to watch.

Summitpost is currently going through that process. As a consequence, they pulled two of their off topic forums entirely and now restrict what new threads can be created.

We don't need that.

So get used to the status quo. It works quite well, I think.
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
No, Supertopo Needs a Monstor Truck!




Wouldn't it be cool to see the Supertaco logo on something like this?


TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:00pm PT
Marge: President Clinton?
Clinton: Yeah, hi. I'm here to see Lisa Simpson.
Lisa: [gasps] You read my letter?
Clinton: Much of it, yeah. And those glow sticks were wrong,
very wrong, so I personally overturned the results
of that band contest. Congratulations. [hands Lisa
a plaque]
Lisa: [gasps] Thank you, Mr. President.
Clinton: No, thank you, Lisa, for teaching kids everywhere a
valuable lesson: If things don't go your way, just
keep complaining until your dreams come true.

Marge: That's a pretty lousy lesson.
Clinton: Hey, I'm a pretty lousy president.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:03pm PT
You old fux still ain't got chit on b.com

no kidding. this whole thread is one huge nutsagging dab, and totally invalid without pics.

just sayin'.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:03pm PT
Supertaco needs badgers!

photo not found
Missing photo ID#143579
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:04pm PT


"and totally invalid without pics"...

I'd be HAPPY to add a FEW...

LOL!!!...
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:05pm PT
Good stuff is getting buried in the kind of cr#p that people like "locker" puts out in his SEVENTEEN THOUSAND POSTS.

if you add up all the words you've posted vs Locker's, you would have him beat by an astounding margin...
pc

climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:07pm PT
Nice one TKingsbury!


And I'd like to echo Mighty Hiker!

"In terms of anti-social behaviour, perhaps we should talk about how women on SuperTopo are treated, both on and off forum. Particularly young women. Harassment is a polite way to describe some of it."

This trolling business is all good fun but when it comes to "harassing" women, young and old, it stops being trolling and it stops being fun. Seriously, go climb a rock or something.

pc





locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:08pm PT

To RockyFoulWussa...



DOUBLE checked and the TWO (2) "Requested" photo's SEEM to be GONE now...

So MODERATOR/CENSOR...

"WUD" you have me REMOVE them ALL???...

Then what's NEXT???...

Others that MAY "offend" you, ALSO???...

Will you COMPLAIN about THEM TOO, and COMPLAIN to have them REMOVED???...

Will we HAVE to STOP writing, "FUK"???...

or MAYBE we "SHUD" all sit and sing KUM by fuking YA together...



Dick_Lugar

Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
Someday I hope a sociologist follows ST for a few months as a lurker, and then writes about what he/she observes.

I am an "armchair" sociologist. I observed long ago that peoples internet age and maturity is significantly lower than their true age. I devised a simple formula for calculating your internet age/maturity:

N/((1/2)*N)

N=Age in human years

For example, I am 43 years old, so my internet/maturity age would be thus:

43/((1/2)*43))= 2 yrs. old.

That's about right for me...
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
In terms of anti-social behaviour, perhaps we should talk about how women on SuperTopo are treated, both on and off forum. Particularly young women. Harassment is a polite way to describe some of it.

Seriously, how many women posting here are under the age of 30?

I can't think of a single one...
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:12pm PT
this is fuking some FUNNY sh!t...


"For example, I am 43 years old, so my internet/maturity age would be thus:

43/((1/2)*43))= 2 yrs. old."
...

LOL!!!...
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:24pm PT
I forgot. Put me down as opposed to any moderator, apart from self-moderating, however clumsy it is at times, and of course the decrees of the great CMac.

As for young women. There are some under 30s who post here, although I wouldn't necessarily say one must be under 30 to be a young woman. t*r is one of the few who is known as such, but there are others. There are probably 5 - 10 times as many lurkers as posters, and I suspect the proportion of lurkers who are female is considerably higher than the proportion of posters.

Also, I recently gave a talk at the mountain film festival here. 150 - 200 people were there. Somewhat based on the "Climbing at Squamish in the 1970s" thread. (There were also another speaker, and films, that evening.) I attended five or six nights of VIMFF altogether. Several young women approached me during the festival, said they saw my talk, and mentioned that they'd seen the SuperTopo thread. They lurk, but don't post - put off by the misogynist behaviour of some, and the occasional lack of civility.
ncrockclimber

climber
NC
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:24pm PT
As a long time lurker that has only recently started occasionally posting, I have to throw my .02 in with a resounding NO WAY!

I have often heard this site referred to as a campfire, where climber discuss a range of topics, not limited to just climbing. I like that analogy, and would further add that I have yet to sit around a campfire where a moderator is present. I have been around campfires where I did not like the company or the direction of the conversation, in which case I spoke up and / or left. Everyone here has that choice.

All this talk about liability and issues with "outsiders" seeing the photos is just juvenile. The photos are either funny or offensive, depending on how you look at it. However, the only person whose reputation might be damaged is the author of the photo. These pics do NOTHING to damage the reputation of the individuals portrayed. Any assertion to the contrary is just pure BS! If you are really concerned about your reputation and how you would appear to potential employers, then you should quit posting crazy crap. As a former hiring manager for a fortune 500 company, I would 100% dismiss the pics but be very concerned about the content of many of Rokjox's posts.

Let me be clear; I don't see a problem with the site, just a problem with Rokjox. I don't want a moderator on this site and am offended that Rokjox would try to make all of us pay for his issues by burdening us with a moderator / editor / censor / internet nanny.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:24pm PT
chances have it that if Rocky DOESN'T like how this thread is going...

He'll DELETE it...

SEEMS to be the way he does things...


bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:29pm PT
the question is, does LEB think we need a moderaotr?
Chief

climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:29pm PT
If know that if I get out of line on this forum, I'll get "moderated" pretty quick.
Who would moderate the moderators?
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:30pm PT
We should elect a moderator. Anybody can run. My slogan will be, "Free for All."
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
i would like to throw my hat in the ring as well. under my loving stewardship, this site could finally blossom into the gentle flower it was clearly meant to be.

all moderators are created equal, but some moderators are more equal than others.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:35pm PT
Got that right.

DMT
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:36pm PT

I VOTE for Rokjox...







EDITED:

LEGAL DISCLAIMER:

FOR THE RECORD...

The following IMAGE in NO WAY resembles Rokjox and it is NOT him in the PHOTO...

It is SIMPLY an EXAMPLE of my OPINION on HOW the potential "MODERATION" might go, "SHUD" it take place...




photo not found
Missing photo ID#143588
...





TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:44pm PT
We'll find out years later that this was all staged...like Andy Kaufman vs Jerry Lawler...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv73yzYuE_M
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:47pm PT
Ah the wolf who cried 'boy!'

DMT
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 1, 2010 - 05:54pm PT
that wolf is whining too much, maybe rox can shoot it...it is obviously feeding on threads like this.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 06:05pm PT
exactly who is this joxstrap of who you speak?
WandaFuca

Social climber
From the gettin place
Feb 1, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
Moderate yourself wolftard.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 06:16pm PT


"MODERATE" this!!!...



Credit: locker
...



Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 1, 2010 - 06:17pm PT
We don't NEED a








MODERATOR.














we NEED

















A
















REFEREE!!!














photo not found
Missing photo ID#143594
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 1, 2010 - 06:20pm PT
"They lurk, but don't post - put off by the misogynist behaviour of some, and the occasional lack of civility."

It's always been the Holy Grail of forum recipes to be inclusive and supportive of the sensitive, young, female climber. But the world of colorless civility that seems to be required is the Death of any good forum.

locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 06:32pm PT

Cosmic...




I'll "get you" for THAT!!!...
























































Credit: locker
...











EDITED:

LEGAL DISCLAIMER

the photo posted in this POST is NOT an actual threat of violence towards Cosmic...

(JUST in case someone doesn't get it)...


;-)
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 1, 2010 - 06:48pm PT
Locker'

I resent you using MY DRAMA QUEEN manipulation, in your
WOLFBOY vs the tailpipe manipulation!!!









































Where's the MODORATOR
when you need him? :(
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 06:52pm PT
Here I am to saaaave the day !!!

MODO-rater at yer service SIR!!!

But since I'm not much of a modorator you could call me









































QUASI MODO
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 1, 2010 - 06:55pm PT
Quasi Modo, eh?



That sure brings a funny image to my brain...
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:00pm PT
Ohhhh...oh.
bmacd

Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:00pm PT
This is the most hypocritical thread ever

If you feel a forum should be moderated go play on one which already is.

Instead another useless non climbing thread has clogged up the good stuff on ST.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:03pm PT

photo not found
Missing photo ID#143628
...

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:11pm PT
I'd like to use this page turn to point out this thread is a troll, from the very inception.

That is all.

DMT
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:22pm PT
Tami, I thought no one was supposed to talk about your hump, just pretend it wasn't there and not get caught staring?

I'm a moderator at another climbing site, and its often a thankless time suck. DMT oughta retract his offer and just tell us more stories and make more pithy observations. Not that Dingus isn't exactly the sort of person who'd do a good job at the post; likely his work would be largely invisible, and its not a bad thing to have someone around from time to time with the keys to the machine, but if you follow Anders' Commandments and you stay out of the politics muck, there just isn't much that needs moderation.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:24pm PT
No... I'll be mod. Seriously, just give me the edit button, Sheriff Milktoast will do the rest.

DMT
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:25pm PT
Get a clue, rox with adult supervision this place won't last a day. and it shouldn't! ( you may be the luckiest loser on the face of the planet.)

Now with tami as head dominatirx...
http://www.alt.taco.edu ?
MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:27pm PT
How much fun will it be arguing about who gets to be moderator? We could easily chew through a couple of months on that one!

My vote goes to Steve Grossman.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:30pm PT
Credit: Jim Brennan

Maybe a guy like this.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:30pm PT
What makes this board any different from a real campfire?

At a real campfire - you have a bunch of hyped up testosterone fiends swilling booze and blowing weed while telling tales of derring do.

Young women - they usually get sick of hearing our crap and float to the perimeter - close enough to keep hearing the stories, but far enough away to avoid the dreaded "innuendo".

Sounds like this place to me.

It's all nature's way.

Like why we get to pee standing up and they don't.








Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:32pm PT
My vote goes to Steve Grossman.

That dweeb? He's so weak he can't even handle the weight of a power drill and has to do his bolting while hanging from hooks!!!

No way he'd have what it takes to moderate an internet forum.

Nope. The best thing is to make Dingus the moderator, then, as soon as we disagree with his decision (probably the first time he makes a decision), we hang him. Then we'll have exactly the right moderator. i.e. no moderator.
Srbphoto

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
Meet Rod, our new MOD

photo not found
Missing photo ID#143634
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 07:54pm PT
It's all nature's way.

Like why we get to pee standing up and they don't.



Uhhh, I'm a girrrrrrl and I can pee standing up.

It's just thattit gets all over my pants.

Like it does fer a lotta the guys here.


Thumbs up for a single-stream.


Snicker.
Chinchen

climber
Anacortes, wa
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:04pm PT
Another no vote here.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:21pm PT
My vote goes to Steve Grossman.

nah, he would keep it so clean we never would have had WoS 1-2,000.

just think how few ethics discussions there would be.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:44pm PT
Geez, I leave the hood to escape the snow and chill for a bit, and what have ya'll got yourselves into!

Where do I look to find the slander that inspired this.

I think it's good for us to work and post together as a community to handle disputes and create our own diverse culture. If somebody is out of line and a number of people call them on it and if it happens repeatedly with no response.....Well, we've got folks banned in the past for that and it's good that banning is hard to do

Let's continue to have and use our own power so that such can be the paradym for self-organizing communities. If we wind up truly needing a moderator, there will be more consensus on it in the future

Peace

Karl
WandaFuca

Social climber
From the gettin place
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:47pm PT
Nice campaign speech Karl, but if we have to, I'm voting for DMT--he promised "Status Quo You Can Believe In".
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:50pm PT
Karl- you're 48 hours late and almost 500+ posts short.......................

just kick back and enjoy.

Here is the root cause- there is a link to the root cause's root cause in the first few posts.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1072603/The_Great_Disappearing_Thread_Thread
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:52pm PT
Rokjox ALREADY changed what he wrote above concerning Skip...

he had originally used the term...

"Lowlife" or something along those lines...

HERE is where the CHANGE took place...

"Look at Skipt, in his online life."...

STILL...

MANIPULATING...



I do it with IMAGES...

he does it with what he WRITES...

At least mine USUALLY don't get deleted...





locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:55pm PT
you got a LONG way to go...


I DESERVE an APOLOGY...
TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:58pm PT
Write a song, write a million songs
But they're all the same song
it's like one long song
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:58pm PT
rox, hate to give you some psychology here (where is LEB? - god forbid i should call her out), but really rox. you throw a bunch of insults out over the course of the last year and now you sound all conciliatory and crap?

is this a major philosophical shift on your part? or will you crap on someone again next time you disagree?

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 1, 2010 - 08:59pm PT
rox, i think locker needs an apology for your unit not filling his tailpipe like he wanted...
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:01pm PT
Actually, Karl would have been my choice as a volunteer moderator.

I want very much to hear his words.

He is the best this forum has to offer.

Your theme seems to be to kiss the ass of anyone who comes along who you may be able to turn into an allie. And it doesn't work.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:01pm PT

"rox, i think locker needs an apology for your unit not filling his tailpipe like he wanted..."...

You're SMARTER than I was giving you credit for, Hawkeye...
eKat

Trad climber
BITD2
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:05pm PT
We don't need no stinkin' moderator!

And you can quote me!

Now. . . let's go out and PLAY!

ox

eKatitude
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:06pm PT
locker, maybe you need to make a "kiss and makeup" pic....no moderator could fix it up quite like that....
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:07pm PT
already made one...

Rocky "requested" I DELETE it...

;-)



EDITED:

actually there was no "Kissing"...

I had a HEADACHE that day...
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:08pm PT
ah well. some guys blush when kissing in pubic....
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:10pm PT


Is it fair to let a man that is clearly insane post photoshop image after image.



Juan
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:10pm PT
As supertopos new self appointed referee I wish to make my first ruling.

Rox wrote

Notice that despite the nicest phrasing I could come up with, "Locker" REFUSES to comply with a simple, decent request to delete a post, even when offered a replacement forum for his off-topic posts. It does NOT matter to him when somebody asks him to do anything respectable or proper.

I rest my case.

I could have gotten his mother to ask him to desist, and it would not have made a ant's fart of a difference.

And it SHOWS why we need a Moderator.

GONG !!!! Sorry Rox, but this is not the same. In the first instance Locker used a pic of you. I agree that this was offensive and should have been removed. His defense that he was attacking you because you attacked Russ does have some merit in climber lore. You defended yourself by saying that it was a joke. GONG !!! If it was a joke, then you would have said so somewhere on that thread as soon as you realized people didn't understand that it was a joke, thus saving them from a bunch of anger. Since you didn't, then it wasn't meant as a joke, it was instead meant as an attack because it is common knowledge that you don't really like Russ. If you truly did mean it as a joke, but didn't tell anyone once they got upset, or waited to let them go a bit crazy, then this would mean that you don't really care for your brother climbers on this forum and were just being mean. In either case.. GONG So Locker gets no punishment, just that he remove the offensive pictures. As he has done so, case closed.

In the second instance Locker did not use a pic of you and was only doing what is accepted Tacostand practice, ie making fun of another without being overly graphic and manipulating a photo of someone who doesn't want their photo's manipulated. So sorry, but this does not rise to the level of the first offense. So I rule no Loco nonoffensive / GONG!!!111



That said, brother Rox, I still enjoy your presence here, but like me, sometimes you get a bit whack. I think right now you are bent out of shape and need to take a chill pill. Go skiing or something. As has been said, no employer is going to hold it against you for a picture that you did not make. I think your fear is unwarranted and I believe that Locker would have removed the picture if you had not insulted him so many times and if you had asked in a decent manner. ( besides, if employers up in Idaho are that whacked to hold such a picture against you when you didn't create the picture, then why do you keep saying Idaho is so much better then California, eh? )

Okay, as the new self appointed temporary part time lazy and mostly blind sort of nice but don't piss me off cause I'm half whacked supreme court referee for all things taco, I declare this a mistrial and wish that we would all treat each other just a bit better. Rox, I love how you go after things like skiing. So how about another ski trip report. Some of your past pics have been awesome. Please let go of this notion that Locker is a jerk. He is only a part time jerk as lots of other here are, myself included. Most of the time he is a regular guy who likes to try and have fun. So please treat him like he is regular guy and perhaps things will go better for you.

Having declared a mistrial, I will now self flagellate by reading the entire thread, "why are those republicans so wrong on everything".



Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:11pm PT
sure juan, he might even do you.....

















dont get your hopes up, i mean photoshop you.....
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:16pm PT


"Is it fair to let a man that is clearly insane post photoshop image after image."...

you really "SHUD"n't talk about Cosmic like that...







and Rokjox...

QUIT lying dude...

Nice TRY!!!...



One thing you're doing and I am NOT???...

LYING...

I DON'T need to...


locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:18pm PT


the rest of what you wrote is RIGHT ON THE MONEY as well...

But THIS ONE is the WINNER and CORRECT!!!...

"and I believe that Locker would have removed the picture if you had not insulted him so many times and if you had asked in a decent manner"...

And he CLAIMS to be...

DECENT...
SilasCL

Sport climber
San Francisco, CA
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
I just got another email from a woman who told me another story about what happened to her after allowing her picture to be posted and her name to be known.

She lists other episodes of women being harassed and stalked by posters on this forum.







And "One who is Leading the Battle Here, But Need Not be Named by ME"? You are named as a person who is not nice. Really, really not nice. Honest. And apparently you are not the only one.

I can't say more, she fears to post or some here any longer. One of several now.


This place needs a moderator. And I am surprised Ekat says it doesn't.

Even a few instances like what I am hearing screams for a moderator. Their are decent, well loved people who won't post here any more. What more can I say?

Just a lurker chiming in.

Doesn't all this sh#t just sound totally made up? Why would so many women email rokjox to pour their heart out.

Is this guy really out of his gourd? Sounds like it. I googled his name and location, and not a single supertopo post came up. Only when I looked for stuff in specific posts (that I already knew was on supertopo) did I get any hits.

If you don't want your identity revealed, then don't reveal it!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:20pm PT
At this point if I was walking along minding my own business at the base of the crag, and I saw a rope laying there at the base of a climb, all coiled up nice-like, and I knew it was RokJox's rope- well, I guess I'd have to take a dump on it.
MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:21pm PT
Personally, I think Karl is waaaay out of line.

"Burn him, he's a witch!"




...errr, I mean ban him...

It's that stupid nagging voice of reason...oooo, that gets to me!

;)
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:23pm PT
I just got another email from a woman who told me another story about what happened to her after allowing her picture to be posted and her name to be known.

She lists other episodes of women being harassed and stalked by posters on this forum.

F*#king bullsh#t.
billygoat

climber
cruzville
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:28pm PT
I'm sure it's already been said, but I'm not in the mood to read 200 posts... Anyways, it should be pretty clear to long-time standers that this site has a moderator. If you have been banned from posting here and allowed to post again, raise your hand. (I'm raising my hand.)
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
Credit: Jim Brennan
Choose this guy to moderate. He'll make you CHILL OUT !!!!
billygoat

climber
cruzville
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:35pm PT
Jox-- don't take it personally, but I doubt they're emailing you just because they like you.

And, I have, from time to time, received an email from one of our female posters and/or lurkers because they appreciated what I said. It's how things work around here. Some of the guys have emailed me as well.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:36pm PT
"But if you LOOK down that thread, I think I DID say it was intended as a joke"...


I remember the thread and remember well how much you SLANDERED Russ's buisness and products...

And I also remember you CHANGING the stuff you wrote to make it APPEAR that you were joking...

In fact, you were not and many of us here know it...

So it absolutly proves that you are again...

lying...
pc

climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:39pm PT
Everyone. Please reread DMT's posts on this thread and please let's stop feeding the troll. He's hooked a bunch. Now let's move back to the topics at hand: Too-tight-lycra-wearing-sportclimbing-repub-weenies and badass trad climbing demos.



Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:40pm PT
No its the truth. (Ex-ST women posters emailing me as we type...) And I think you know it.

#1- You are obviously lying, and you are an idiot.

#2- If in the 1/1,000,000 chance you aren't lying, then they are emailing you because you strafed a bunch of people's emails and completely freaked them out. They are either:

a) Trying to get you to go away by agreeing with you out of pure fear.

OR

b) Threatening your creepy old freak ass with restraining orders.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:40pm PT
i'm a homo.
MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:40pm PT
Thanks, Mom
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:44pm PT
Pate, I have gotten similar emails. Sometimes the person needs to learn how to defend themselves or realize that they initiated the attacks and if they don't wish to be attacked, then they have to learn how to be respectful even if the guy is a jerk,

and sometimes they are fully correct and the attacks they receive are way out of line. It is often not black and white, but there is a lot of hatred towards women out there.

Lots of different situations play out.

I don't know what the solution is. Women shouldn't have to fear being harassed. Nor should they be allowed to post mean or disrespectful things without expecting any sort of pay back. They shouldn't be allow to run and hide behind someone when they make a mistake. They also shouldn't have to be afraid of physical abuse or stalkers. The problem is that the pay back can go beyond words, and can be frightening. That is just wrong.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:44pm PT
There was a story about someone here emailing the ladies etc...

and someone DID supposedly get the "BOOT" for it...

Perhaps RokWolf is trying to make a play on that knowledge...

He must know about it already, if I do...

Pretty common knowledge here on ST I think...





EDITED: using that knowledge in the MANIPULATION he's creating etc...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:45pm PT
LEB takes it!!!!!!

Your ox is gored, now what ?
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
More gore, please.
Best deli session, ever.
Where's Way when you need him?
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:48pm PT
"Pate, I have gotten similar emails"...

geez...

what's with EVERYBODY else getting emails, but ME???...

And to think...

HAD he emailed me...

hmmm...

Almost seems like he WANTS this BULLSH!T to happen...



who said this WHOLE thing was a "TROLL"???...

Is it???...

What the fuk???...
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
There are some very vicious people here

hey!
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:52pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#143657
Vicious, eh?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 09:54pm PT
PC and MH and others.

So far I have two emails from women who have pretty much given up on Supertopo because of the rotten things they had happen after posting here. I can't tell much about either, because it would out them. But they were highly liked people.

Supertopo is not a campfire. Voices at a campfire disappear into the wind. Supertopo will have an electronic history suitable for data mining for centuries perhaps. Look at how efficiently its being data mined right now to cast slurs at me.

1000 decent people may be here for me to talk to, but the .1% of the worst of the worst can take anything at all and use it years after the "conversation" ended to try and destroy a person. And if the actual information isn't enough. selective editing and "manipulation" is available to "process" the information until it is.

Look at Skipt, in his online life. I tell him he seems to know little about radio propagation, and he will hate me forever for it.. My radio shack is as big as a bedroom, I can talk halfway across the nation at the flip of a switch on my own equipment that I maintain myself and with a little tuning, I can probably reach Japan in the other direction, but he thinks I am completely ignorant, because I am a "Ham". That is, a person with a license for my equipment. I have actually got a dozen receiver/transmitters of various sorts, different modes, different bands, I go to meetings...

But HE thinks HE is the expert, and I know NOTHING because I am an Amateur Radio Operator, Extra Class.

He is trying in his little way right now, post 363 on the disappearing thread thread to cause me harm. There is no limits to his hatred. Another of the lowest of the low.

People have already been harmed by association with Supertopo and its lowlife few that are quite literally taking it over. Some are trying right now to harm me, when I have not harmed them. Its about power, and the struggle for power.

I give you your ST hell. Anybody who posts here who HAS anything or ever will in the future have anything puts it at risk when they do so.

This place needs a moderator, just as the Campfire in Camp 4 needs a moderator. That is why they have Rangers. I hadn't really thought they were so necessary before, but I understand better now.

Keith Lober:
I apologize. Five years ago, I think I may have said you were unnecessary. Again I was wrong. If it wasn't for Rangers and LEO, NOBODY would be able to use Camp 4 but the Hyenas.

If it hadn't been for Mead Hargis, nobody would have been able EVER to sleep.

jesus wept.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:01pm PT


"There is no limits to his hatred"...


talk about projecting...
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
My GOD - Make it STOP!

According to Pat Roberson-style thinking, we must have made a pact with the devil to be having this gaseous, vile diahhrea of text flooding Supertopia.

Pray with me, brothers and sisters - to END THIS PLAGUE!
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:05pm PT
Troll is what it is.
Eff 'im.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:10pm PT
You're just like That guy.

Pffffft. Demon, I cast thee out!
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:10pm PT
i had my hair washed in a beauty parlor after a car accident, didn't want the stitches wet,

and i never heard such foul mouth stuff in any bar in tiajuana as i heard in that beauty salon,

guys, those hens can cackel some mean shit!
you would not believe the stuff they talk about when we are not there.
i have yet to hear any guy get that personal.
about 8 or 10 of them, and drinkin wine. sheesh
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:11pm PT

"Pray with me, brothers and sisters - to END THIS PLAGUE!"...

and yet you and others can't seem to keep away...

Interesting to me, even some "Lurkers" have posted as a result...




and people love to watch the NEWS...

and car crashes at the races...
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:11pm PT
But they have worn me down. I am winding down.

Rokjox as a marionette is broken. Its pieces lie strewn all around me here. The violence of this place and its haters are far worse than anything I have ever done. It's a shame, I had such fun with him. He was only suppose to last ONE story.

If I had expected him to go almost five years, I would have built him a better firewall.

I will be leaving soon, and while I may occasionally post, I doubt it right now. My firewall on this site will never be good enough. That is the lesson I take from here. If I ever do this again. I will build a MUCH better firewall. Several layers of anonymity.

I got tired of telling good stories a year ago or more. I got tired of posting old photos, and I am glad I never did the thread on Old Climbers of the 70's I was going to do, because their faces aren't available for mutilation.

And my other stories don't fit in the mouth of a Rokjox puppet. That is why they hated them here. My One cowboy story fell flat and was reviled. The Cajun stories will never get shown here. Who here would understand turtle hunting on a bayou from a flat bottom boat, dodging alligators and snakes?

Please. Help. Does anyone else here think this guy is a total f*#king nutcase?


edit: ANYONE does NOT include LEB
socialclimber

Mountain climber
CA
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:19pm PT
is it wrong that I am eating Israeli couscous and drinking a German beer? Is this a question a MODERATOR could help with? Where am I anyway?

Keep it classy SuperTopo!

Charles
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:20pm PT
SuperTopo Needs A Moderator, The Mini Series; Episode 1


http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6048169/
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:22pm PT
Frankly, you guys can be very intimidating

ah, but to know us is to love us!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:24pm PT
That Lois and her strawmen! now really, show me where I am not less aggressive than any number of women folks on this site!
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:25pm PT

Lois...

why don't you stick to the climbing threads where you belong???...

Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:27pm PT
Haha!

Lockerman, you crack me up!
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:30pm PT
Just like the Deli....I know several gals that can hold their own there.
And their liquor!
billygoat

climber
cruzville
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
Climbing is intimidating, climbers can be that way, so it goes. Hell, I get attention from women by pissing in my beard, doesn't get me kicked off the peaks.

For my part, I try harder to get the guys to cry. I'm sure I've said plenty to offend the opposite sex, but sometimes a war of words is the best way to inspire personal reflection.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
Yeah, it's tough when your girlfriend is more of a man than you are. [attributed to P.A., who knows about stuff]
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
You are exceedingly NOT aggressive yet still very masculine.

ho man! just when you think leb can't get any wierder...
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:33pm PT
"HowWeird"?
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:34pm PT
I just received letters from FIVE women who post on Supertopo. They all found their husbands here and claim the sex is the best they have ever had.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:35pm PT
awesome.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:36pm PT
forum sex, ftw!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:37pm PT
It's just different you know ?

Our job is to go out every day and forage for girlfriends........
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:37pm PT
ok, i have a solution,

i found three volunteers to be our moderators>


































is that chick on ludes, or is it just me?
bmacd

Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:38pm PT
MODERATE THIS ...
Roxxy girl

SHUT THE F*#K UP YOU PUSSY
SHUT THE F*#K UP YOU PUSSY
Credit: bmacd


Mt. Assinnine - First ascent:  Rokjox
Mt. Assinnine - First ascent: Rokjox
Credit: Google
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:38pm PT
Thank you for keeping this thread on track fattrad, it needs it. In a sense............................MODERATING!!!!
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:39pm PT
OMG......I feel so moderated.

Ugh. Will it wash off, do ya think?
Lost Arrow

Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
what is a c*#k?

JDF
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
I spent an hour in the Vancouver, CA airport talking with Clarence Williams III one cold winter night. HE would be against all forms of moderation... man.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
Credit: Jim Brennan
The real thing.....MODS!!!
mark miller

Social climber
Reno
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
The Inquisition....We need to help the "Moral majority", ( Which is neither and never has been). Keep Super Topo safe for all the little girls and boys(Their smuggling out of Haiti). You make me want to throw up with this self regulated crap.

atchafalaya

climber
Babylon
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:43pm PT
"The Cajun stories will never get shown here. Who here would understand turtle hunting on a bayou from a flat bottom boat, dodging alligators and snakes?"

Hahahaha, I grew up hunting for gators and snakes, but not from a flat bottom boat. Let me guess, 22 rifle for turtles? Sackless. Your a regular Indiana Jones dood.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:44pm PT
did he look like this?

hey, there all on ludes!

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
Lois for Moderator !!!!

by the way, the saying is: Illegitimi non carborundum
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:52pm PT
i want everybody to look at a picture of my big, red cock>






































see, it's all in your dirty little minds.

,
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
GAME OVER MAN!
GAME OVER MAN!
Credit: pyro
Lost Arrow

Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:58pm PT
Penis


Cock
Sausage
Wang
Prick
Dong
Wiener
John Hancock
Pecker


matty

Trad climber
los arbor
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:59pm PT
F*#k You Pyro!!!


On that thought I nominate "Roudy Roudy Ryan" as moderator. Did I mention that we don't need a moderator. I really don't want one. I stand behind Ryan.

Q.H.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 1, 2010 - 10:59pm PT
are those the seven words you can't say on the radio?

hey, if you can't beat em, arrange to have them beaten,
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:08pm PT
Shlong
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:09pm PT
unit?
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:12pm PT
fleshy protuberance.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:17pm PT
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:27pm PT
Look what I got today! 42 newish krabs for about $2.41 each including a bunch of draws.

Credit: Ihateplastic


Hell, I paid almost twice as much for my new super pullme!

Credit: Ihateplastic
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:28pm PT
Jeez, can you all say "panties in a wad"?

These two threads are pathetic, childish and stupid (and also pretty funny is a really stupid way).
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:29pm PT
That's a buy.
Pulleys are kinda pricey.
prunes

climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:38pm PT
After just getting thru a long drawn out divorce to a femma nazi and then wading thru this dribble my nerves are shot. F*#k em dude lets go bowling!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:38pm PT
Hi Mark,

Yeah it's been stupid, drama, hurtin' whatever.

The real stupid is "Robot Chicken" Watch some and ST makes sense.

Robot Chicken is sublime.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:43pm PT
It was more fun with the telly on.
Butoou

Sport climber
Malibu
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:44pm PT
Rojjox you are a drama QUEEN

you can dish it out but can you take it??????????????

love and hugs from the BU


bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:45pm PT
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:53pm PT


true I did just "Glue up" a shoe...

so I suppose it could be a factor...

but the diving board shot has me laughing my ass off right now...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:58pm PT
Ho ho hohohohohohohohohooooooo!

DMT
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 1, 2010 - 11:59pm PT
You can tell SHE don't hang at the Deli.
I STILL like Mister E's Extremerator idea.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:02am PT
Alright, after some deliberating thought I decided that I will do it.
























































































One dollar a post is my fee-NON NEGOTIABLE!!!!1111666
Mojomonkey

climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:06am PT
For what it's worth, I was considering hiring <name deleted>, but have certainly changed m mind browsing this site. Not because of some obvious photo hacks, but the disproportionate reaction to them. The relentless ranting, the threats of legal actions... It hardly seems decent. I can't imagine the work environment he would create after some perceived slight.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:08am PT


considering the shot I posted of LEB...

DIDN'T even COMPLAIN...

for that matter it didn't even faze her...

She's GOT some SKIN...




But MAYBE you don't really KNOW the dude???...

Or what he's been up too???...

Like you wrote...

slightly paraphrased...

you have "NO CLUE"...




bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:11am PT
Can somebody clue me in here. I read the entire thread as well as the "disappearing" thread and I STILL don't have the vaguest idea of what is going on here.

well duh.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:22am PT
"What can he POSSIBLY have been up to and what business is it of ours, anyway"...

gee Lois...

I don't know...

maybe because he threatened to sue me and super topo for one of my SUPERIOR manipulations for starters...

and it goes WAYYYYYY beyond that and started some time ago...

sort of involves a...

CLIMBER/CLIMBING ISSUE...

but THAT'S a different STORY...









EDITED:

Lois...

yes I posted a manipulated photo...

months ago...

Hasn't REALLY bothered him that much...

he's just "TARGETING" me currently...

and ODDLY trying to get others to side against me and has even posted that that is what he is doing...

Strange fellow that WolfBoy...

and...





"GUD" night!!!...





Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:40am PT
'Night johnboy.......
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:49am PT
LEB,

What matters is the sublime pleasure in becoming friends with enemies.

That is why boys and girls are different.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:00am PT
"This is ST, no? Some little internet site where we all waste far too much time. People suffer horrible fates in Haiti - they have gangrenous limbs sawed off without anesthesia. Wars wage. People starve. Children die of cancer. Our beloved pets and relatives die leaving us behind to mourn them .........and we worry about who posted what pic on ST."...

be damned if you didn't totally nail it...

Exactly...

what was the big deal unless someone made it a big deal...

the photo was just a fuking little JAB and in no way would it ever cause him to not get a job...

What a fuking joke!!!...








EDITED:

"We are but galactic dust, Locker, in the overall scheme of things and our lives are but a brief flicker in all eternity. Not even a blink of an eye"...


Amen, hail mary and a bag-o-chips to that...

You NAILED it, again...


Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:32am PT
"My guess after reading all of this is that Locker probably posted some extremely gross and disgusting photo involving Rox and he took offense." - I think that's about it (I didn't see it either...), some kids will never grow a tolerance shield....

BFD

SIs , when next we talk, I got some goodies!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:33am PT
Is this one of those, " we are stardust,we are golden" moments? I still can't believe guys hug these days....

I believe in the ROCK FIGHT!!!!

Garbage can lids for pro, blood, laughter and the sacred vow that the
grown - ups can't know, as this would spoil the fun....
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:36am PT
whoever said sumthin was better than nuthin, never had nuthin like this,
willie!!!!!

Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:39am PT
HA! Jim B.!

I can't believe my childhood friend Kyle Brown and I got to enter puberty with full eyesight.
billygoat

climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:42am PT
So, if we did have a moderator, would they allow neebee to start every post with the same phrase?
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:44am PT
How about an Extremerator!!111 - you know, someone that exacerbates every situation, says the wrong things, and deletes random posts.

Now that would be cool!

Maybe TradIsGood's son is available.
MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:01am PT
"Maybe TradIsGood's son is available"



"I told him we already got one!"
willie!!!!!

Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:04am PT
Ramjit!!!!!!

I had forgotten that one! Wonder what the little bastards up to.
willie!!!!!

Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:08am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#143712

Just what the doctor ordered.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:10am PT
RJ said
"Supertopo will have an electronic history suitable for data mining for centuries perhaps"

If you really believe this you are delusional. Go find offense posts in Rec.climbing. Better yet, google my name, Greg Davis. I have been posting on climbing, video game, mixed martial arts and break dancing (lol high school) messageboards since 1997. Whatever you find, post here. Then email it to my mom, you should find her pretty easily on my facebook account, which is public.

LEB was driven away from this site because she is annoying and killed threads. Regardless of ones political beliefs or sex, annoying is annoying.

Many women (and MEN, mostly) put themselves in everyones face and get upset when it isn't working for them. How many threads has TR deleted because she wasn't getting the right KIND of attention? I can think of many women who are on this site and have never been harassed, just like I can think of some conservatives who post and haven't been harassed ;D

I guess I'm not really talking to RJ, because I know this is going in one ear and out the other. Its just frustrating, watching it happen, because the definition of Insanity....

My take on the situation? He has dug himself into a hole, and his options were to shut up about it and eat crow, or to dig deeper and deeper and show this facade of reality, to defend his martyrdom to the death. The more wrong he is shown to be the more he will vehemently say otherwise.


We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig the whole day through....





This is one vote for no moderator.

This is one vote for kicking him off the island.

The last thing I want is a litigious, censor screaming sociopath with delusional qualities.

MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:12am PT
So it's true then - you should always tarp yer load! ;)
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:15am PT

"and break dancing (lol high school)"...


If you had not added that "High School" explaination...


you MIGHT have been NEXT to be "Raked over the COALS"...


Lambone

Ice climber
Ashland, Or
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:15am PT
There are moderators here, you just don't seem them.

What are you a nOOb?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:17am PT
Quel drame! I yawn robustly.
MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:19am PT
Thanks for keeping the stiff upper lip for the rest of us - it must be a terrible burden.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:23am PT
Now just a minute Mr E, That is a stiff upper lip you could build a foundation on.

ps. Excuse me Anders, he held the door.........
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:28am PT
I could do a windmill and a flare when I was 15, what have you got????

Oh, I googled myself. It was... effervescent.

Here I am on a WoW guild forum when I was 20 getting %0 of the votes for member of the month!
http://www.zohmygod.com/bk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1502&highlight=
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:30am PT


"I could do a windmill and a flare when I was 15, what have you got????"...



I JUST turned 55 the other day...

I can TIE my NUTS around my waste...
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:30am PT
That must be quite a feat, but the hardest part has got to be getting them out of cosmic's mouth.
MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:32am PT
Just step away from the "cupping"
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:32am PT
"but the hardest part has got to be getting them out of cosmic's mouth."...



Another GREAT opportunity LOST to the "MODERATORS"...




EDITED:

that "Ball Cupping" thread is one of the funniest threads I've read in one hell of a long time...




SHOE EDIT:



only FOUR more shoes to go...

and then FINALLY...

I can get back to my serious "GLUE SNIFFING"...

and my back is fuking KILLING me...

survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:53am PT
Another GREAT opportunity LOST to the "MODERATORS"...

Dang!
That's funny Locker.
Good one!
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:57am PT




and FINALLY I am DONE with the fuking SHOES...

MY BACK IS FUKING KILLING ME RIGHT NOW...

3 Asprin and a "GUD" burn ought to HELP...



What an ODD day it was...

From the "GLUE" to the NET...

and back again...


Jay Wood

Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:45am PT
F*#king Posters man!

NEVER get out of the canoe!















I'm late- tough sh#t.
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:46am PT
Credit: Willoughby
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Feb 2, 2010 - 04:12am PT
Ok, let's make pool. Who's gonna be the first one to slap someone's face on this picture?



I pick Locker.
Iron Mtn.

Trad climber
Corona, Ca.
Feb 2, 2010 - 04:13am PT
I moderate on another forum and would be more than happy to volunteer my services here.....
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 2, 2010 - 06:55am PT
Rokjox’s morse code message may be a cryptic farewell.

In international ham radio language, it translates to:

”QSL”
“Best Regards”
“Contact has ended”
“Closing radio station”


(Other ham operators may want to verify. I never got past my novice license in high school radio club, though my dad was a lifelong operator)

In any case, best wishes to you, Rox ! Sometimes a rest from internet forums is refreshing and an opportunity to rethink your perspectives. Hope you come back and can eventually “bury the hatchet” with Locker. If not, see you in the mountains !
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:08am PT
"So it's true then - you should always tarp yer load! ;) "

Tarp yer load buddy... TARP YER LOAD.

Its one of those phases that works as well in the Board room as the warehouse.

Bill Clinton, for example, shoulda tarped his load, nawmean?

DMT
Flanders!

Trad climber
June Lake, CA
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:13am PT


FLANDERS FOR MODERATOR................................ vote here ( )


Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:03am PT
Rox, you're falling apart man.

There's no talking doll or false character, everything you've said is YOU. I don't want to use your name, that would be uncool, but that's who's talking, not some marionette.

Stay connected.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:11am PT
brb, I gotta go hit the can and take a LEB.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:30am PT
The last thing I want is a litigious, censor screaming sociopath with delusional qualities.

You know my ex-wife?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:31am PT
good morning everybody!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:36am PT
Good morning Mister bee vee beeeeeeeeeeee!

Dub o da morning to ya!

DMT
jstan

climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:46am PT
About ex-spouses.

Makes no sense at all. You think well enough of someone to marry them. Then after the divorce they are, without question, the worst in the world.

What's with that?

From a rational standpoint divorced persons should still be at least friends. Right?

Clearly marriage is irrational by nature.

You didn't like them before, so you're only being consistent?

That makes sense.






Back to this thread.

Are we married to Rox?




There had better be a god here somewhere.

I am going to need him.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:47am PT
Git the Gimp!

DMT
Jingy

Social climber
Nowhere
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:56am PT
"...a single voice that we voluntarily can appeal to when we feel someone is going over the top, someone is being harmed, or standards of basic decency are being violated."


this only happens when I read roxjox posts...


so...



because I have the ability to not read the post, or view the photo... I don't need a moderator

no harm intended rox... just trying to make a point that has already been stated thrice before
IT

climber
The ID
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:38am PT
I am the great and powerful IT!

Moderator of the universe, Supertopo included.

Rokjox, my trollish friend, you want a moderator! You don't know how lucky you are not to have one. Moderators will never be practical until they can be made unbreakable. I could have been a world figure, a power among men, a - a successful moderator, had I not been obstructed by a troll.

However, in consideration of your trollishness, I take pleasure at this time in presenting you with a small token of our esteem and affection.

Take this url, follow it, and never return! There you will find all the moderation you need and desire!

And remember, my peevish friend, that a troll is not judged by how much you troll, by how much you are able to troll others.

And as for you, LEB, otherwise known as the annihilator of threads, I give you this, a diploma, which authorizes you to enter into any thread you wish and obliterate any sense of continuity therein. Use it carefully and tread lightly on threads of significant historical value or where friends grieve for their lost comrades, lest you incur the wrath of even our most gentle and kind members and force my return.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:26pm PT
Whew..

Just read the whole damn thing.

This site doesn't really need a moderator. It's a breath of fresh air next to the other art-sites I deal with which are moderated beyond reason. Everyone sits around patting each other on the back with bullshit empty candy-coated comments since no one is allowed to really disagree with anyone. Makes me want to barf and when I occasionally can't take it any more I end up being ten-times more vicious than I normally would. They shut down the thread. I get the "please be nice" e-mail.

FVuck them and their moderators.

It's way more civilized in here I say.



PS.. the irony is killing me... LOL

nita

Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:29pm PT
JTM, I see why Dirt liked you...)
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:30pm PT
well put. what does Napmaster have to say about moderation?
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:34pm PT
Ain't he nappin'?
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:39pm PT
Napmaster says:


"Moderate THIS":


Credit: justthemaid
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:40pm PT
"Uh, I don't know how to break this to you but I am alive and well here on this site - evidently as "annoying" as ever"...



LOL!!!...

you've come a LONG way...



EDITED:

meaning you're humor has grown, here on ST...
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:41pm PT
NOYCE Napmaster- Keepin' It Real for the peeps!




some might call that "kitty porn"
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:41pm PT
Napmaster for moderator!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:43pm PT
Uh, I don't know how to break this to you but I am alive and well here on this site - evidently as "annoying" as ever"...

that one didn't slip by me either, if only we could get the other one to admit it too.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:47pm PT
But they have worn me down. I am winding down.

Rokjox as a marionette is broken. Its pieces lie strewn all around me here. The violence of this place and its haters are far worse than anything I have ever done. It's a shame, I had such fun with him. He was only suppose to last ONE story.


Credit: Pate

Performing live at the SuperTopo Theater now.


edit: I have never seen violence or physical threat anywhere on this forum, no matter how heated the debates get...........................Actually, I have, and it's all come from RokJox, aimed at about a dozen or more people, in the form of veiled and not so veiled threats, including the popular "smash your face" line.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:48pm PT
Dear justthemaid,

Credit: Jim Brennan

It's good to just let it out and BARF

Credit: Jim Brennan
matty

Trad climber
los arbor
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:51pm PT
Whoever does the 2nd of WOS gets the MOD-JOB, it's on boys...
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:57pm PT
here is a moderator here for you....i am sure she can be programmed to deal with obnoxious posters....

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/01/sex.robot/index.html?hpt=Sbin

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/TECH/02/01/sex.robot/t1larg.jpg

Inventor unveils $7,000 talking sex robotBy Brandon Griggs, CNN
February 1, 2010 4:39 p.m. EST
Inventor Douglas Hines with Roxxxy, his computerized sex robot that can carry on a conversation and have a simulated orgasm.STORY HIGHLIGHTS
New Jersey man creates what may be most sophisticated talking female sex robot

Called Roxxxy, life-size computerized figure can answer questions, carry on chats

She costs $7,000 and comes with five "personalities," from Frigid Farrah to Wild Wendy

Engineer Douglas Hines unveiled Roxxxy at porn-industry convention in Las Vegas


RELATED TOPICS
Artificial Intelligence
Robotics
Computer Technology
Las Vegas, Nevada (CNN) -- To some men, she might seem like the perfect woman: She's a willowy 5 feet 7 and 120 pounds. She'll chat with you endlessly about your interests. And she'll have sex whenever you please -- as long as her battery doesn't run out.

Meet Roxxxy, who may be the world's most sophisticated talking female sex robot. For $7,000, she's all yours.

"She doesn't vacuum or cook, but she does almost everything else," said her inventor, Douglas Hines, who unveiled Roxxxy last month at the Adult Entertainment Expo in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Lifelike dolls, artificial sex organs and sex-chat phone lines have been keeping the lonely company for decades. But Roxxxy takes virtual companionship to a new level.

Powered by a computer under her soft silicone "skin," she employs voice-recognition and speech-synthesis software to answer questions and carry on conversations. She even comes loaded with five distinct "personalities," from Frigid Farrah to Wild Wendy, that can be programmed to suit customers' preferences.

"There's a tremendous need for this kind of product," said Hines, a computer scientist and former Bell Labs engineer.

Roxxxy won't be available for delivery for several months, but Hines is taking pre-orders through his Web site, TrueCompanion.com, where thousands of men have signed up.

"They're like, 'I can't wait to meet her,' " Hines said. "It's almost like the anticipation of a first date."

Women have inquired about ordering a sex robot, too. Hines says a female sex therapist even contacted him about buying one for her patients.

Roxxxy has been like catnip to talk-show hosts since her debut at AEE, the largest porn-industry convention in the country. In a recent monologue, Jay Leno expressed amazement that a sex robot could carry on lifelike conversations and express realistic emotions.

"Luckily, guys," he joked, "there's a button that turns that off."

Curious conventioneers packed Hines' AEE booth last month in Las Vegas, asking questions and stroking Roxxxy's skin as she sat on a couch in a black negligee.

"Roxxxy generated a lot of buzz at AEE," said Grace Lee, spokeswoman for the porn-industry convention. "The prevailing sentiment of everyone I talked to about Roxxxy is 'version 1.0,' but people were fascinated by the concept, and it caused them to rethink the possibilities of 'sex toys.' "

Hines, a self-professed happily married man from Lincoln Park, New Jersey, says he spent more than three years developing the robot after trying to find a marketable application for his artificial-intelligence technology.

Roxxxy's body is made from hypoallergenic silicone -- the kind of stuff in prosthetic limbs -- molded over a rigid skeleton. She cannot move on her own but can be contorted into almost any natural position. To create her shape, a female model spent a week posing for a series of molds.

The robot runs on a self-contained battery that lasts about three hours on one charge, Hines says. Customers can recharge Roxxxy with an electrical cord that plugs into her back.

A motor in her chest pumps heated air through a tube that winds through the robot's body, which Hines says keeps her warm to the touch. Roxxxy also has sensors in her hands and genital areas -- yes, she is anatomically correct -- that will trigger vocal responses from her when touched. She even shudders to simulate orgasm.

When someone speaks to Roxxxy, her computer converts the words to text and then uses pattern-recognition software to match them against a database containing hundreds of appropriate responses. The robot then answers aloud -- her prerecorded "voice" is supplied by an unnamed radio host -- through a loudspeaker hidden under her wig.

"Everything you say to her is processed. It's very near real time, almost without delay," Hines said of the dynamics of human-Roxxxy conversation. "To make it as realistic as possible, she has different dialogue at different times. She talks in her sleep. She even snores." (The snoring feature can be turned off, he says.)

Roxxxy understands and speaks only English for now, but Hines' True Companion company is developing Japanese and Spanish versions. For an extra fee, he'll also record customizable dialogue and phrases for each client, which means Roxxxy could talk to you about NASCAR, say, or the intricacies of politics in the Middle East.

Hines believes that Roxxxy is a step above other love dolls -- the similar but mute RealDoll costs about $5,500 -- because her conversational abilities provide something close to emotional companionship. His customer base? Shy, awkward or older men who "have trouble meeting girls," he says.

In an industry known for pushing the technological envelope, observers are curious about how Roxxxy will fare in the marketplace.

"Is this a viable product? Yes," said Sherri Shaulis, an editor at Adult Video News, a trade magazine for the pornographic industry. "There's a market for it. Granted, it's a very small market."

Maybe not. TrueCompanion claims that more than 4,000 men have placed pre-orders for Roxxxy robots, and another 20,000 or so have requested information about the product. TrueCompanion also is developing a male sex robot, named Rocky.

"There's really nothing like this on the market," said Hines, who speaks of his unique creation with what seems like genuine affection. "Whenever she's out in public, everyone wants to talk to her and pose for pictures. It's so cute."



The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Feb 2, 2010 - 12:58pm PT
Uh, I don't know how to break this to you but I am alive and well here on this site - evidently as "annoying" as ever. I took a hiatus for a few months. I am now back in full swing and no doubt YOU are enjoying every moment of it.

LEB, your manner has changed.
Steve L

Gym climber
SUR
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:02pm PT
To the great and powerful IT, you are benevolent indeed; however, RJ is not yet ready for the url you have provided. He may be offended over there as well. A person of his delicate sensibilities would be better served with this url

RJ, make haste! Make haste and roam free with your brethren!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 2, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
When are you gonna come down
When are you going to land
I should have stayed in the pen
I should have listened to my old man

You know you can't hold me forever
I didn't sign up for you
I'm not a present for your friends to troll
This boy's too young to be climbing with you

So goodbye Taco road
Where the dogs of society howl
I can't climb up to your penthouse
I'm going back to my bowl

Back to hunting old wolf in the woods
Lickin the horny back toad
Oh I've finally decided my future lies
Beyond the L.E.B. road

locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:03pm PT
Cho...

that is fuking HILARIOUS!!!...

(edited:http://jonasbrothersfan.com/Community/Forum/tabid/265/Default.aspx);...










and I did some SERCHING on the internet to see IF one REALLY "CUD" find incriminating evidence...

Turns out DUDE was RIGHT...



































Credit: locker
...

Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:05pm PT
Dude, the gas pedal on that thing is chossy!
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:09pm PT

Watch for a NEW screen name to appear in the form of PuppetBoy or something CLOSE...

Doubt seriously he's really splitting...



...



WBraun

climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:25pm PT
Locker has over a 100 posts in a day in a half about Roxjox.

Locker you have a huge obsessive hard on for the guy obviously .....
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:28pm PT
threatened to SUE me, make my life UNCOMFORTABLE, threatend to kick my ass...

Yeah!!!...

You BET I do...

Plus...

Bored in between the fuking SHOES...

in the meantime...

keep your SCORE as BEST you can...







































Credit: locker
...









EDITED:

one thing I find interesting and I'll use Werner's above comment as an example...

What I find interesting, is that some people actually take the time to COUNT that sh!t...

Talk about having a "Hard on"...

LOL!!!...




Werner...

You're AOK in my book!!!...

plus you crack me up to boot!!!...


MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:29pm PT

Kitty Porn? Huh?

Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:47pm PT
classic
WBraun

climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:50pm PT
Locker

It takes all of 5 seconds to count. It's in your profile.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:53pm PT
that you TOOK the time is "GUD" enough to make my point...

...




EDITED:

for the record...

That's NOT supposed to be representing me flipping you off...

It's the "GLUE" that is of INTEREST...

;-)













Werner EDIT:

and yet you and others continue to come back, time and time again...

People really do love a TRAGEDY...

I remember well when I used to shoot the races how so many were there just for the CRASHES...

Fascinating how that works...



Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 2, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
Rocky is fishing somewhere else now. His hit rate there is only slightly behind his haul on this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_fUmx-HI0Q

THAT my friends is a Rockjock boat.

DMT
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:00pm PT
Duck and cover Werner, I think this thread just turned your way.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:08pm PT
Pate...

No way dude!!!...

Werner's COOL in my book...





EDITED:

but IF I had some more photo's to work with???...

hmmm...

;-)




Jingy

Social climber
Nowhere
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:31pm PT
roxjox - have you counted the votes placed in this thread...

does democracy hold water?


My review of the posts here lead me to believe, there is not enough of a problem for there to be a moderator...

moving on now!!!


Post Locker Post Edit: BTW... Werner is all that, and more!!! 3 Cheers to the man in the ditch!!!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:41pm PT
I just saw LEB's profile, almost 16,000 posts. Most of them are so condescending and know-it-all it's painful to read.

This forum NEEDS RokJox, but the forum, or the world for that matter, would be a better place without LEB in it.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:43pm PT
Dude they are the same person.

DMT
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:44pm PT


...

atchafalaya

climber
Babylon
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
RokJox+LEB=navblk4

Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:53pm PT
Even Alex Trebeck has a tough time moderating.

Credit: Pate
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:55pm PT


Credit: locker
...

Hankster

Trad climber
Left Hand, CO
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:57pm PT
"Suck it Trebeck!"
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 03:59pm PT
I'll Take Buck Futters for 500.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 2, 2010 - 04:06pm PT
wow, so he is gone and you guys are really missing him since you can't give it up.

"give it up baby! you'll feel gud!"
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 2, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
I seem to remember something about Rox and some kinda Assburger thing. As if the guy needed an excuse to be a dickhead. It surely seems that Rox, like many of us, suffers from undiagnosed mental aberrations. Control is the key, Lance. Do not open the box, Pandora. Leave the demon in his cage and smile at the little ones. When the fire starts to flare, go take a nice long walk in the woods and listen to the wind.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 04:10pm PT

just being USED for the "CREATIVE FLOW"...

Don't get in a HUFF over it...

you DON'T have to "CLICK" on it, you know...

you REALLY...

DON'T...
Dick Danger

Trad climber
Lakewood, Colorado
Feb 2, 2010 - 04:20pm PT
Credit: Dick Danger
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 04:27pm PT
A PEACE offering to one and ALL!!!...











































Credit: locker
...

EDITED

brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Feb 2, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
I would hate to think what we would see if locker was actually good at photoshop.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 2, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
Maybe we need a Terminator, too? And a Numerator? And if we have a Numerator, we have to have a Denominator too. But hopefully no denominations.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Feb 2, 2010 - 05:41pm PT
The Kingdom of NINE.

The Great Enumerator Has Spoken!

DMT
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 06:33pm PT
Go squat and pee somewhere else.

And pat your own back elsewhere too.

Hows that for moderating.
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
Feb 2, 2010 - 06:49pm PT
Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.

The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim -- for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives -- is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters.

By the late nineteenth century the recurrence of this pattern had become obvious to many observers. There then rose schools of thinkers who interpreted history as a cyclical process and claimed to show that inequality was the unalterable law of human life. This doctrine, of course, had always had its adherents, but in the manner in which it was now put forward there was a significant change. In the past the need for a hierarchical form of society had been the doctrine specifically of the High. It had been preached by kings and aristocrats and by the priests, lawyers, and the like who were parasitical upon them, and it had generally been softened by promises of compensation in an imaginary world beyond the grave. The Middle, so long as it was struggling for power, had always made use of such terms as freedom, justice, and fraternity. Now, however, the concept of human brotherhood began to be assailed by people who were not yet in positions of command, but merely hoped to be so before long. In the past the Middle had made revolutions under the banner of equality, and then had established a fresh tyranny as soon as the old one was overthrown. The new Middle groups in effect proclaimed their tyranny beforehand. Socialism, a theory which appeared in the early nineteenth century and was the last link in a chain of thought stretching back to the slave rebellions of antiquity, was still deeply infected by the Utopianism of past ages. But in each variant of Socialism that appeared from about 1900 onwards the aim of establishing liberty and equality was more and more openly abandoned. The new movements which appeared in the middle years of the century, Ingsoc in Oceania, Neo-Bolshevism in Eurasia, Death-Worship, as it is commonly called, in Eastasia, had the conscious aim of perpetuating unfreedom and inequality. These new movements, of course, grew out of the old ones and tended to keep their names and pay lip-service to their ideology. But the purpose of all of them was to arrest progress and freeze history at a chosen moment. The familiar pendulum swing was to happen once more, and then stop. As usual, the High were to be turned out by the Middle, who would then become the High; but this time, by conscious strategy, the High would be able to maintain their position permanently.

The new doctrines arose partly because of the accumulation of historical knowledge, and the growth of the historical sense, which had hardly existed before the nineteenth century. The cyclical movement of history was now intelligible, or appeared to be so; and if it was intelligible, then it was alterable. But the principal, underlying cause was that, as early as the beginning of the twentieth century, human equality had become technically possible. It was still true that men were not equal in their native talents and that functions had to be specialized in ways that favoured some individuals against others; but there was no longer any real need for class distinctions or for large differences of wealth. In earlier ages, class distinctions had been not only inevitable but desirable. Inequality was the price of civilization. With the development of machine production, however, the case was altered. Even if it was still necessary for human beings to do different kinds of work, it was no longer necessary for them to live at different social or economic levels. Therefore, from the point of view of the new groups who were on the point of seizing power, human equality was no longer an ideal to be striven after, but a danger to be averted. In more primitive ages, when a just and peaceful society was in fact not possible, it had been fairly easy to believe it. The idea of an earthly paradise in which men should live together in a state of brotherhood, without laws and without brute labour, had haunted the human imagination for thousands of years. And this vision had had a certain hold even on the groups who actually profited by each historical change. The heirs of the French, English, and American revolutions had partly believed in their own phrases about the rights of man, freedom of speech, equality before the law, and the like, and have even allowed their conduct to be influenced by them to some extent. But by the fourth decade of the twentieth century all the main currents of political thought were authoritarian. The earthly paradise had been discredited at exactly the moment when it became realizable. Every new political theory, by whatever name it called itself, led back to hierarchy and regimentation. And in the general hardening of outlook that set in round about 1930, practices which had been long abandoned, in some cases for hundreds of years -- imprisonment without trial, the use of war prisoners as slaves, public executions, torture to extract confessions, the use of hostages, and the deportation of whole populations-not only became common again, but were tolerated and even defended by people who considered themselves enlightened and progressive.

It was only after a decade of national wars, civil wars, revolutions, and counter-revolutions in all parts of the world that Ingsoc and its rivals emerged as fully worked-out political theories. But they had been foreshadowed by the various systems, generally called totalitarian, which had appeared earlier in the century, and the main outlines of the world which would emerge from the prevailing chaos had long been obvious. What kind of people would control this world had been equally obvious. The new aristocracy was made up for the most part of bureaucrats, scientists, technicians, trade-union organizers, publicity experts, sociologists, teachers, journalists, and professional politicians. These people, whose origins lay in the salaried middle class and the upper grades of the working class, had been shaped and brought together by the barren world of monopoly industry and centralized government. As compared with their opposite numbers in past ages, they were less avaricious, less tempted by luxury, hungrier for pure power, and, above all, more conscious of what they were doing and more intent on crushing opposition. This last difference was cardinal. By comparison with that existing today, all the tyrannies of the past were half-hearted and inefficient. The ruling groups were always infected to some extent by liberal ideas, and were content to leave loose ends everywhere, to regard only the overt act and to be uninterested in what their subjects were thinking. Even the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was tolerant by modern standards. Part of the reason for this was that in the past no government had the power to keep its citizens under constant surveillance. The invention of print, however, made it easier to manipulate public opinion, and the film and the radio carried the process further. With the development of television, and the technical advance which made it possible to receive and transmit simultaneously on the same instrument, private life came to an end. Every citizen, or at least every citizen important enough to be worth watching, could be kept for twenty-four hours a day under the eyes of the police and in the sound of official propaganda, with all other channels of communication closed. The possibility of enforcing not only complete obedience to the will of the State, but complete uniformity of opinion on all subjects, now existed for the first time.

After the revolutionary period of the fifties and sixties, society regrouped itself, as always, into High, Middle, and Low. But the new High group, unlike all its forerunners, did not act upon instinct but knew what was needed to safeguard its position. It had long been realized that the only secure basis for oligarchy is collectivism. Wealth and privilege are most easily defended when they are possessed jointly. The so-called 'abolition of private property' which took place in the middle years of the century meant, in effect, the concentration of property in far fewer hands than before: but with this difference, that the new owners were a group instead of a mass of individuals. Individually, no member of the Party owns anything, except petty personal belongings. Collectively, the Party owns everything in Oceania, because it controls everything, and disposes of the products as it thinks fit. In the years following the Revolution it was able to step into this commanding position almost unopposed, because the whole process was represented as an act of collectivization. It had always been assumed that if the capitalist class were expropriated, Socialism must follow: and unquestionably the capitalists had been expropriated. Factories, mines, land, houses, transport -- everything had been taken away from them: and since these things were no longer private property, it followed that they must be public property. Ingsoc, which grew out of the earlier Socialist movement and inherited its phraseology, has in fact carried out the main item in the Socialist programme; with the result, foreseen and intended beforehand, that economic inequality has been made permanent.

But the problems of perpetuating a hierarchical society go deeper than this. There are only four ways in which a ruling group can fall from power. Either it is conquered from without, or it governs so inefficiently that the masses are stirred to revolt, or it allows a strong and discontented Middle group to come into being, or it loses its own self-confidence and willingness to govern. These causes do not operate singly, and as a rule all four of them are present in some degree. A ruling class which could guard against all of them would remain in power permanently. Ultimately the determining factor is the mental attitude of the ruling class itself.

After the middle of the present century, the first danger had in reality disappeared. Each of the three powers which now divide the world is in fact unconquerable, and could only become conquerable through slow demographic changes which a government with wide powers can easily avert. The second danger, also, is only a theoretical one. The masses never revolt of their own accord, and they never revolt merely because they are oppressed. Indeed, so long as they are not permitted to have standards of comparison, they never even become aware that they are oppressed. The recurrent economic crises of past times were totally unnecessary and are not now permitted to happen, but other and equally large dislocations can and do happen without having political results, because there is no way in which discontent can become articulate. As for the problem of overproduction, which has been latent in our society since the development of machine technique, it is solved by the device of continuous warfare (see Chapter III), which is also useful in keying up public morale to the necessary pitch. From the point of view of our present rulers, therefore, the only genuine dangers are the splitting-off of a new group of able, underemployed, power-hungry people, and the growth of liberalism and scepticism in their own ranks. The problem, that is to say, is educational. It is a problem of continuously moulding the consciousness both of the directing group and of the larger executive group that lies immediately below it. The consciousness of the masses needs only to be influenced in a negative way.

Given this background, one could infer, if one did not know it already, the general structure of Oceanic society. At the apex of the pyramid comes Big Brother. Big Brother is infallible and all-powerful. Every success, every achievement, every victory, every scientific discovery, all knowledge, all wisdom, all happiness, all virtue, are held to issue directly from his leadership and inspiration. Nobody has ever seen Big Brother. He is a face on the hoardings, a voice on the telescreen. We may be reasonably sure that he will never die, and there is already considerable uncertainty as to when he was born. Big Brother is the guise in which the Party chooses to exhibit itself to the world. His function is to act as a focusing point for love, fear, and reverence, emotions which are more easily felt towards an individual than towards an organization. Below Big Brother comes the Inner Party. Its numbers limited to six millions, or something less than 2 per cent of the population of Oceania. Below the Inner Party comes the Outer Party, which, if the Inner Party is described as the brain of the State, may be justly likened to the hands. Below that come the dumb masses whom we habitually refer to as 'the proles', numbering perhaps 85 per cent of the population. In the terms of our earlier classification, the proles are the Low: for the slave population of the equatorial lands who pass constantly from conqueror to conqueror, are not a permanent or necessary part of the structure.

In principle, membership of these three groups is not hereditary. The child of Inner Party parents is in theory not born into the Inner Party. Admission to either branch of the Party is by examination, taken at the age of sixteen. Nor is there any racial discrimination, or any marked domination of one province by another. Jews, Negroes, South Americans of pure Indian blood are to be found in the highest ranks of the Party, and the administrators of any area are always drawn from the inhabitants of that area. In no part of Oceania do the inhabitants have the feeling that they are a colonial population ruled from a distant capital. Oceania has no capital, and its titular head is a person whose whereabouts nobody knows. Except that English is its chief lingua franca and Newspeak its official language, it is not centralized in any way. Its rulers are not held together by blood-ties but by adherence to a common doctrine. It is true that our society is stratified, and very rigidly stratified, on what at first sight appear to be hereditary lines. There is far less to- and-fro movement between the different groups than happened under capitalism or even in the pre-industrial age. Between the two branches of the Party there is a certain amount of interchange, but only so much as will ensure that weaklings are excluded from the Inner Party and that ambitious members of the Outer Party are made harmless by allowing them to rise. Proletarians, in practice, are not allowed to graduate into the Party. The most gifted among them, who might possibly become nuclei of discontent, are simply marked down by the Thought Police and eliminated. But this state of affairs is not necessarily permanent, nor is it a matter of principle. The Party is not a class in the old sense of the word. It does not aim at transmitting power to its own children, as such; and if there were no other way of keeping the ablest people at the top, it would be perfectly prepared to recruit an entire new generation from the ranks of the proletariat. In the crucial years, the fact that the Party was not a hereditary body did a great deal to neutralize opposition. The older kind of Socialist, who had been trained to fight against something called 'class privilege' assumed that what is not hereditary cannot be permanent. He did not see that the continuity of an oligarchy need not be physical, nor did he pause to reflect that hereditary aristocracies have always been shortlived, whereas adoptive organizations such as the Catholic Church have sometimes lasted for hundreds or thousands of years. The essence of oligarchical rule is not father-to-son inheritance, but the persistence of a certain world-view and a certain way of life, imposed by the dead upon the living. A ruling group is a ruling group so long as it can nominate its successors. The Party is not concerned with perpetuating its blood but with perpetuating itself. Who wields power is not important, provided that the hierarchical structure remains always the same.

All the beliefs, habits, tastes, emotions, mental attitudes that characterize our time are really designed to sustain the mystique of the Party and prevent the true nature of present-day society from being perceived. Physical rebellion, or any preliminary move towards rebellion, is at present not possible. From the proletarians nothing is to be feared. Left to themselves, they will continue from generation to generation and from century to century, working, breeding, and dying, not only without any impulse to rebel, but without the power of grasping that the world could be other than it is. They could only become dangerous if the advance of industrial technique made it necessary to educate them more highly; but, since military and commercial rivalry are no longer important, the level of popular education is actually declining. What opinions the masses hold, or do not hold, is looked on as a matter of indifference. They can be granted intellectual liberty because they have no intellect. In a Party member, on the other hand, not even the smallest deviation of opinion on the most unimportant subject can be tolerated.

A Party member lives from birth to death under the eye of the Thought Police. Even when he is alone he can never be sure that he is alone. Wherever he may be, asleep or awake, working or resting, in his bath or in bed, he can be inspected without warning and without knowing that he is being inspected. Nothing that he does is indifferent. His friendships, his relaxations, his behaviour towards his wife and children, the expression of his face when he is alone, the words he mutters in sleep, even the characteristic movements of his body, are all jealously scrutinized. Not only any actual misdemeanour, but any eccentricity, however small, any change of habits, any nervous mannerism that could possibly be the symptom of an inner struggle, is certain to be detected. He has no freedom of choice in any direction whatever. On the other hand his actions are not regulated by law or by any clearly formulated code of behaviour. In Oceania there is no law. Thoughts and actions which, when detected, mean certain death are not formally forbidden, and the endless purges, arrests, tortures, imprisonments, and vaporizations are not inflicted as punishment for crimes which have actually been committed, but are merely the wiping-out of persons who might perhaps commit a crime at some time in the future. A Party member is required to have not only the right opinions, but the right instincts. Many of the beliefs and attitudes demanded of him are never plainly stated, and could not be stated without laying bare the contradictions inherent in Ingsoc. If he is a person naturally orthodox (in Newspeak a goodthinker), he will in all circumstances know, without taking thought, what is the true belief or the desirable emotion. But in any case an elaborate mental training, undergone in childhood and grouping itself round the Newspeak words crimestop, blackwhite, and doublethink, makes him unwilling and unable to think too deeply on any subject whatever.

A Party member is expected to have no private emotions and no respites from enthusiasm. He is supposed to live in a continuous frenzy of hatred of foreign enemies and internal traitors, triumph over victories, and self-abasement before the power and wisdom of the Party. The discontents produced by his bare, unsatisfying life are deliberately turned outwards and dissipated by such devices as the Two Minutes Hate, and the speculations which might possibly induce a sceptical or rebellious attitude are killed in advance by his early acquired inner discipline. The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity. But stupidity is not enough. On the contrary, orthodoxy in the full sense demands a control over one's own mental processes as complete as that of a contortionist over his body. Oceanic society rests ultimately on the belief that Big Brother is omnipotent and that the Party is infallible. But since in reality Big Brother is not omnipotent and the party is not infallible, there is need for an unwearying, moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment of facts. The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.

The alteration of the past is necessary for two reasons, one of which is subsidiary and, so to speak, precautionary. The subsidiary reason is that the Party member, like the proletarian, tolerates present-day conditions partly because he has no standards of comparison. He must be cut off from the past, just as he must be cut off from foreign countries, because it is necessary for him to believe that he is better off than his ancestors and that the average level of material comfort is constantly rising. But by far the more important reason for the readjustment of the past is the need to safeguard the infallibility of the Party. It is not merely that speeches, statistics, and records of every kind must be constantly brought up to date in order to show that the predictions of the Party were in all cases right. It is also that no change in doctrine or in political alignment can ever be admitted. For to change one's mind, or even one's policy, is a confession of weakness. If, for example, Eurasia or Eastasia (whichever it may be) is the enemy today, then that country must always have been the enemy. And if the facts say otherwise then the facts must be altered. Thus history is continuously rewritten. This day- to-day falsification of the past, carried out by the Ministry of Truth, is as necessary to the stability of the regime as the work of repression and espionage carried out by the Ministry of Love.

The mutability of the past is the central tenet of Ingsoc. Past events, it is argued, have no objective existence, but survive only in written records and in human memories. The past is whatever the records and the memories agree upon. And since the Party is in full control of all records and in equally full control of the minds of its members, it follows that the past is whatever the Party chooses to make it. It also follows that though the past is alterable, it never has been altered in any specific instance. For when it has been recreated in whatever shape is needed at the moment, then this new version is the past, and no different past can ever have existed. This holds good even when, as often happens, the same event has to be altered out of recognition several times in the course of a year. At all times the Party is in possession of absolute truth, and clearly the absolute can never have been different from what it is now. It will be seen that the control of the past depends above all on the training of memory. To make sure that all written records agree with the orthodoxy of the moment is merely a mechanical act. But it is also necessary to remember that events happened in the desired manner. And if it is necessary to rearrange one's memories or to tamper with written records, then it is necessary to forget that one has done so. The trick of doing this can be learned like any other mental technique. It is learned by the majority of Party members, and certainly by all who are intelligent as well as orthodox. In Oldspeak it is called, quite frankly, 'reality control'. In Newspeak it is called doublethink, though doublethink comprises much else as well.

Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. The Party intellectual knows in which direction his memories must be altered; he therefore knows that he is playing tricks with reality; but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself that reality is not violated. The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt. Doublethink lies at the very heart of Ingsoc, since the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies -- all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth. Ultimately it is by means of doublethink that the Party has been able -- and may, for all we know, continue to be able for thousands of years -- to arrest the course of history.

All past oligarchies have fallen from power either because they ossified or because they grew soft. Either they became stupid and arrogant, failed to adjust themselves to changing circumstances, and were overthrown; or they became liberal and cowardly, made concessions when they should have used force, and once again were overthrown. They fell, that is to say, either through consciousness or through unconsciousness. It is the achievement of the Party to have produced a system of thought in which both conditions can exist simultaneously. And upon no other intellectual basis could the dominion of the Party be made permanent. If one is to rule, and to continue ruling, one must be able to dislocate the sense of reality. For the secret of rulership is to combine a belief in one's own infallibility with the Power to learn from past mistakes.

It need hardly be said that the subtlest practitioners of doublethink are those who invented doublethink and know that it is a vast system of mental cheating. In our society, those who have the best knowledge of what is happening are also those who are furthest from seeing the world as it is. In general, the greater the understanding, the greater the delusion; the more intelligent, the less sane. One clear illustration of this is the fact that war hysteria increases in intensity as one rises in the social scale. Those whose attitude towards the war is most nearly rational are the subject peoples of the disputed territories. To these people the war is simply a continuous calamity which sweeps to and fro over their bodies like a tidal wave. Which side is winning is a matter of complete indifference to them. They are aware that a change of overlordship means simply that they will be doing the same work as before for new masters who treat them in the same manner as the old ones. The slightly more favoured workers whom we call 'the proles' are only intermittently conscious of the war. When it is necessary they can be prodded into frenzies of fear and hatred, but when left to themselves they are capable of forgetting for long periods that the war is happening. It is in the ranks of the Party, and above all of the Inner Party, that the true war enthusiasm is found. World-conquest is believed in most firmly by those who know it to be impossible. This peculiar linking-together of opposites -- knowledge with ignorance, cynicism with fanaticism-is one of the chief distinguishing marks of Oceanic society. The official ideology abounds with contradictions even when there is no practical reason for them. Thus, the Party rejects and vilifies every principle for which the Socialist movement originally stood, and it chooses to do this in the name of Socialism. It preaches a contempt for the working class unexampled for centuries past, and it dresses its members in a uniform which was at one time peculiar to manual workers and was adopted for that reason. It systematically undermines the solidarity of the family, and it calls its leader by a name which is a direct appeal to the sentiment of family loyalty. Even the names of the four Ministries by which we are governed exhibit a sort of impudence in their deliberate reversal of the facts. The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from ordinary hypocrisy; they are deliberate exercises in doublethink. For it is only by reconciling contradictions that power can be retained indefinitely. In no other way could the ancient cycle be broken. If human equality is to be for ever averted -- if the High, as we have called them, are to keep their places permanently -- then the prevailing mental condition must be controlled insanity.

But there is one question which until this moment we have almost ignored. It is; why should human equality be averted? Supposing that the mechanics of the process have been rightly described, what is the motive for this huge, accurately planned effort to freeze history at a particular moment of time?

Here we reach the central secret. As we have seen. The mystique of the Party, and above all of the Inner Party, depends upon doublethink. But deeper than this lies the original motive, the never-questioned instinct that first led to the seizure of power and brought doublethink, the Thought Police, continuous warfare, and all the other necessary paraphernalia into existence afterwards. This motive really consists...






Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 07:01pm PT
LEB may not bang her head against walls, but she sure did get whacked by the Ugly Stick at some point- multiple times.
adam d

climber
closer to waves than rock
Feb 2, 2010 - 07:02pm PT
JDF...do you actually think someone will read that?!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 2, 2010 - 07:03pm PT
LEB: Uh, I don't know how to break this to you but I am alive and well here on this site


bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 2, 2010 - 07:03pm PT
taught me well how to "piss in the tall grass"

totally invalid with out pics! lots of 'em! in COLOR!!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:00pm PT
I guess you did not understand it well, the first time. You can't get rid of me, here. Nor, BTW, could I get rid of you here but the difference is that I am not trying to do so. I don't waste time banging my head against a wall.


Ya gotta admit Pate, that's funny! What on Earth would you do if you didn't have a couple LEBs and Rox to shout at?

;0)


Oh yeah, Juan, that's waaaaaay too much text.
tinker b

climber
the commonwealth
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:06pm PT
no supertopo just needs to have the option for us to delete the stupid topics off of our own screens so we don't have to read over the stupid postings in order to get to the interesting ones.
i.e. i would love to be able to have "why republicans are so wrong about everything" not show up on my screen every day...
and being nice isn't that horrible of a thing...
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:08pm PT
JDF...do you actually think someone will read that?!

Sure. Why not. It's one of the most famous passages of 20th Century literature, and well worth re-reading.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:16pm PT
ah, pate needs some strife lately. i mean, i actually like to rad his posts when he is talking skiing or climbing. but lately? he and locker seem to be joined at the hip. where was that pic locker?
grover

Trad climber
The Gar, BC.
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:19pm PT
Locker should be our moderator.

It makes total sense.

He has: alot of spare time
a firm grasp of image manip's
can huff glue better than the rest of us


What more could we ask for?

What say you?

When the time comes, I nominate Locker to be our crowning baby-sitter, principal, cop, judge, post watch-dog and experienced glue-man!

survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:31pm PT
LEB, you crack me up, the way you manage to wind up some of the fellas without even trying.
You have, by the way, become more interesting since your return. Not so ate up about individual details in threads, throwin' it down with the boys etc. "Pissing in the tall grass".

I like Pate. I know certain things about him that prove his humanity. He just doesn't like to let it shine through here at times. Who knows.

Oh by the way Lois, did I ever tell you that I met your sister on the beach?

















Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:40pm PT
Hawkeye- me and locker received the same emails, that's all. no big strife here. Sometimes you need to know what's going on behind the play in order to understand the action.



And I just don't like LEB. I like trashing opinionated conservative know-it-all as#@&%es. I'm just giving her what she wants.


edit: That's not her sister, that's LEB. The front side is even worse.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:50pm PT
You couldn't be more wrong Horseface.

Keep your phony, smug, condescending analysis of people to yourself. That's why you're between my crosshairs.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:56pm PT
Suck It LEB

Credit: Pate
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 2, 2010 - 08:57pm PT
Do you really think I give a sh#t? If you have a valid complaint or some legitimate gripe, I will attend to your complaint, just like anyone else. If, however, all you want to do is rag out, be my guest. Knock yourself out. It is no skin off my back.

ha! our little girl is all growed up.

and how does leb get "shit" through the motherf*#king wordfilter?

gosh, i though sh#t was wordfiltered but i guess not. we need a moderator!!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
Not be be crass but maybe you just need to go out and get..... (fill in the blank)


You couldn't be more wrong Horseface.

about her being a nice girlfriend or about you needing to get .......?


Classic Supertopo I tell ya, CLASSIC!

Dang, how do I get sucked into these OT threads?
By golden yummies like that...that's how!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:01pm PT
we don't need no stinkin' moderators

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
With regard to the (apparent) photo of an older and somewhat stringy woman in a blue string bikini on the beach. Some seem to be posting it as a visual insult.

Assuming that the photo is genuine, why should it be taken to be anything but what it is? I suppose some might think it unattractive, but I'd rather think it positive that the woman would openly and perhaps proudly be doing what she's doing. For all we know, she's been going to the beach in similar attire for the last 60 years, or is recuperating from some illness or disease and getting some sun. She's probably someone's beloved granny, and may be a retired PhD. And some day we'll all look similarly - the non-obese, anyway.

You get the picture, as it were - enough judging by superficial appearances, eh? And as Abraham Lincoln reportedly said, god really must have liked plain looking people, because she made so many of them.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:09pm PT
LEB, you're hideous.

I'm in a GREAT mood.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:30pm PT
Hey LEB, I would assume that you are the undersexed one here if that's what you're implying. I have absolutely no problem in that department honey. Even on one my drunkest college rampages back in the day one look at you would have turned me to stone.

With a dog-face like yours I'm sure it was tough to get any play even when you had youth and gravity on your side. And they are obviously not your allies any more. I've seen bloody ass cheeks that slid 35 feet down run out slabs that I'd sooner caress than touch your flabby ham-hocks.

MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:31pm PT
Classic BVB right there!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:33pm PT
The ugly ones used to get around, that's for sure. LEB, I bet you were a dirty girl.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:35pm PT
With regard to the (apparent) photo of an older and somewhat stringy woman in a blue string bikini on the beach. Some seem to be posting it as a visual insult.

C'mon Anders, you can't be bringing sensitivity and civility to a thread like this! What's wrong with ya?

In all truth, you may be right, but I just find it too dang funny anyway.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:36pm PT
LEB lookin' hot BITD:

Credit: Pate
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:37pm PT
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Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:38pm PT
RokJox is sitting in a dark closet in his one room cabin rocking back and forth on the floor and sucking his thumb. He's gunna be unavailable for a while.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:41pm PT
Trust me Pate, I was not ugly and there were no shortage of men.

You're kidding me aren't you? I'd rather do your husband than you.
Credit: Pate

edit: are you wearing a pearl necklace?
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:42pm PT
WHOO HOO!!

Another thread going CHERNOBLE on Us!!!!!!







Time to get my Photoshop pen SHARPENED. :)
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:43pm PT


My VOTE for MODERATOR goes to...








































"One Adam Homo"...












































Credit: locker
...




Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:46pm PT
"Bet Rox got a heck of a lot more tail than you ever did."














TRUE!!!
I'd show the pic But Rok asked politely for us not to show it.


HOWEVER...


























































































































Locker knows the same TAIL!


photo not found
Missing photo ID#143054
Roxjok

Social climber
dark side of the moon
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:52pm PT
After careful consideration and much reflection, I have decided to change my position. As I've mentioned, we have a LOT of decent people here on this forum. We are a great group of people.

This may come as a surprise to many of you, but I'd like to request that my fellow Supertopian, Locker accept the position.

I know I have said dishonorable things on occasion about locker, and even contacted is many friends and customers. That's all water under the bridge now.

Locker, will you please accept my humble apologies and be the Tacos first man to enforce the standards? For the good of us all, please say YES!

I think this approach would offer the flexibility and the guidance that we desire, without curbing the need we feel to wrassle in the dirt occasionally.



edit - Pate - that's a HOT picture of LEB you posted, holding that chicken!
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:52pm PT
What about LEB's black grrrrl skwirrrrrls?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:53pm PT
You're kidding me aren't you? I'd rather do your husband than you.

um, dude. serious misfire there. better quit while you're behind.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:54pm PT
Does your husband have Glaucoma? LEB- just because your mom told you that you were pretty doesn't make it true.

FYI, I don't have an X-Girlfriend, try pushing a different button 'cuz that one's non-existent.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:55pm PT
But this is not about me. This is about YOU.

NIce try. This is about your denial of your sub-average looks.
Roxjok

Social climber
dark side of the moon
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:56pm PT
LEB, I'm glad you're here with us all.

Maybe you would like to mod too, if you can get along with my man, locker!

I think we ALL need to change our attitudes, and work on a bit of forgiveness.

Pate, I owe you lunch!
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:57pm PT
"I may not be as vulgar as some of you guys here are and I am certainly not as explosive and combative (thanks to a much lower level of testosterone) but that does not mean you all did not teach me anything. Some of you guys here are the masters of more than just the rocks. Let's just say that for better or for worse, I have stood on the shoulders of some veritable giants around here and picked up a few tricks along the way."...


I LIKE the Lady...

HAVE since I talked to her on the phone years ago...

She DID step on my TOES a bit, at the WRONG time (Catagory, "Meltdown")...

DOESN'T CLIMB...

WON'T CLIMB...




and at this point for me personally???...

Fuk it!!!...

I ACCEPT her...

She's PART of this place (like it or not)...



and sh!t...

I posted THIS and she DIDN'T FLINCH, Didn't COMPLAIN, THREATEN to SUE me/SuperTopo or ask/request that it be removed...

Nothing but a few comments...




photo not found
Missing photo ID#143793
...



TOUGH...


A "GUD" thing considering the company she keeps here...

;-)

Roxjok

Social climber
dark side of the moon
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:58pm PT
LEB. She can't compare with YOU.

How many times have I told you that?

Locker, will you ACCEPT the MODERATORS position together with LEB? You can be the main mod - whoever else you want to help is up to YOU! Your call, dude.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 2, 2010 - 09:59pm PT
OMG!!!

First there is a FAKE locker, and now there is a FAKE Rokjox


:0
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:01pm PT
LEB;
That is NOT the REAL Rokjox.
Look at the screen name .
The fake one is calling himself Roxjox
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:02pm PT
OMG!!!

First there is a FAKE locker, and now there is a FAKE Rokjox


I totally missed that...

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:06pm PT
it was enough to get more than enough men

i'm available. references on request.
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:07pm PT
Well, Pate, whether my looks were average, sub-average or above average, it was enough to get more than enough men.

Skank.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:07pm PT
I'm available, if the price is right...
Comicscragsman

Social climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:07pm PT
LEB. I was wrong!

Looks like the real Rox, re Rok, now that I check a few things
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:08pm PT
Noyce. I like how you roll FP.
Roxjok

Social climber
dark side of the moon
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:10pm PT
LEB. what i told you was in confidence. You weren't supposed to go blabbing that all over an INTERNATIONAL forum.

I didn't say I have more than one wife! Please - be a little discrete.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:12pm PT
OH no


A fake Cosmiccragsman.

I AM THE REAL ONE!!!!
Roxjok

Social climber
dark side of the moon
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:15pm PT
LEB, while we're on topic, maybe I should tell everyone what has evolved between the two of us!

There has a been a lot of pressure from hiding such secrets!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:18pm PT
If you bred you're children would have horns and cloven hooves.
Roxjok

Social climber
dark side of the moon
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:20pm PT
Locker and Cosmic, would you two be able to host LEB and I, if we come to the Facelift and hang out in JT en route?

Fatty - can you put us up in the SF Bay for a couple days?
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:24pm PT
I'm lookin at her dumb-dumb.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:27pm PT
"Locker and Cosmic, would you two be able to host LEB and I, if we come to the Facelift and hang out in JT en route?"



I can't speak for Locker,
But I will roast, err I mean Host you and LEB in Vegas when I move there in the next couple of months, Rox.

locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:32pm PT

"Some of you retards"...



We NEED a "MODERATOR" to KEEP this PLACE...

Politically CORRECT...









































I VOTE for fattrad!!!...


Future Potus with a Lotus...


Credit: locker
...

GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:35pm PT
just because your mom told you that you were pretty doesn't make it true.


I know! Except for my mom. She wouldn't lie. Right guys? Right...?
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:38pm PT
GDavis, she used to tell you that people liked you too, didn't she?
MODERATOR

Big Wall climber
British Columbia
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:46pm PT
I HAVE BEEN APPOINTED MODERATOR BY CHRIS.

I HAVE READ EVERY POST ON THE FORUM WRITTEN IN THE PAST 6 MONTHS, SO FAR ALL POSTS AND PICTURES HAVE BEEN WITHIN ACCEPTABLE TOLERANCES.

CARRY ON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

EVERYTHING IS NOW UNDER MY CONTROL


THE ANCIENT ONE
THE ANCIENT ONE
Credit: MODERATOR

CHRIS HAS INSTRUCTED THAT ALL COMPLAINTS ARE TO BE SENT TO ME DIRECTLY FOR MEDIATION
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:47pm PT
thank Jeezus, i feel safe now,
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:47pm PT
THAT'S the picture you should use LEB, those other ones make you look like such a hag.
nita

Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
Thanks Jeff...Love you.....


I should thank you on eKat's thread....
MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:52pm PT
Reincarnation of BURT BRONSON? OMG ROTFLMAO
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:56pm PT
does LEB stand for Lesbian?


hey, we like to joke around here on the taco from time to time,


don't get that G string in a bunch,

i like girls, really, i do.

i just make rude comments sometimes,

i can't help it, it's my stchicht.
Daily Lama

Social climber
Ethereal Plane
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:57pm PT
STOP US BEFORE WE HAVE A CHANCE TO BREED!
Anastasia

Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
Feb 2, 2010 - 10:58pm PT
I have an idea...
You all are wrong even when you are right and I'm right even when I am wrong. Yup, yup, that would work nicely for our relationship.
AFS
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:00pm PT
it's all Greek to this geek,
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:06pm PT
Indeed. WhatinHell is goin' on in here?
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:07pm PT
what in hell, indeed...
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:08pm PT
hey, lets test the new Moderator,












C*#k and Balls!
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:12pm PT


It can get real LONELY being a "MODERATOR"...




SEEN it happen HERE before...






















































photo not found
Missing photo ID#143805
...

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:29pm PT
That TAILPIPE sure gets a LOT of use.
I hope that muffler cleans up after every JOHN, and practices
SAFE SEX!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:33pm PT
TO THE PERSON WHO JUST SENT ME AND OTHERS AN EMAIL(and didn't Blind CC each of us) - Please don't send me more emails.

If I have an issue, I know how to take care of it, and don't need another person suggesting actions they wish me to take.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
Sprocketville
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
that tail pipe is such a ho.

probably the happiest tail pipe in the world.

lay a little pipe, why doncha
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:50pm PT
"TO THE PERSON WHO JUST SENT ME AND OTHERS AN EMAIL(and didn't Blind CC each of us) - Please don't send me more emails.

If I have an issue, I know how to take care of it, and don't need another person suggesting actions they wish me to take. "








What happened Happie, did someone threaten you?
What does CC blind mean?





Dwain
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:57pm PT
Nobody threatened me.

A Blind CC is one way you send an email to several people without showing all the recipients the addresses of the others who go the email. Most email programs have the little "CC" and "BCC" buttons right there just below the address section. You send the email to "yourself" as the main address, and then BCC everyone else.





MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:00am PT
Oh, for crying out loud! What ever happened to personal responsibility?

As in: MODERATE YOURSELF!

Sounds like the same-old victim bullsh1t to me.



"Ooooh! Someone needs to take control here, cuz I don't have the sack to just step away from the thread! Oooooh, the humanity!"
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 3, 2010 - 01:01am PT
"TO THE PERSON WHO JUST SENT ME AND OTHERS AN EMAIL(and didn't Blind CC each of us) - Please don't send me more emails."...




WOW!!!...




EDITED:

You tell 'em' Happie!!!...





EDITED:

"What does CC blind mean?"...







































Credit: locker
Cross Country Blind...







Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 3, 2010 - 04:09am PT
So Lois, you gonna be around if i share some stuff with you that I really don't need to share with the world?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Feb 3, 2010 - 05:19am PT
I got tarpitted from RC.com using the tailpipe f*#ker years ago. Couldn't find it after that.

Locker, I like your style. You'd be fun to climb with.

Rokcoxs not so much.


'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Feb 3, 2010 - 08:49am PT
Lawsy lawsy lawsy, I didn't think it possible, but here we have a full-on Loisification attempt:

"Happi,

I would like your opinion about the ethics of BCC...."
Please Happi, don't be tempted to answer.

Lois, you were pretty hot BITD! {kiss, kiss}

The best post by far of the 500 was the pot and kettle cartoon!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 09:06am PT
Thanks PTPP, I strive for excellence.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:01am PT
This iz why I love the Taco.
Not the history
but the sh#t slangin'.

Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:08am PT
drljefe for moderator, because he doesn't have a computer.
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:11am PT
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
where there is sadness, joy;
O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.

For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.



St. Francis was born at Assisi in 1182. After a care free youth, he turned his back on inherited wealth and committed himself to God. Like many early saints, he lived a very simple life of poverty, and in so doing, gained a reputation of being the friend of animals. He established the rule of St Francis, which exists today as the Order of St. Francis, or the Franciscans. He died in 1226, aged 44.
The prayer has many of the biblical truths of what it means to be a Christian - to seek to give, and in so doing, receive blessings; that the Lord's Prayer asks God to forgive us as we forgive, and that the goal of eternal life can only result from us putting to death our old sinful lives. ().


Pointers for Prayer : Sometimes Christians are called to turn the world upside down. To bring the exact opposite of what we find in our world. St. Francis' prayer is a bold one, asking for strength to give of ourselves to meet the needs of others. He recognises that it "is in giving that we receive", that as we give of ourselves, we receive the peace and blessing of our risen Lord Jesus. We cannot earn eternal life, but that we are pardoned from the sins that block our claim on it.
Think about the situations that you are involved in that require peace, consolation, hope, light and joy. Then, if you're bold enough, pray the prayer!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:15am PT
Christians are insane.
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Feb 3, 2010 - 10:48am PT
Its the human condition Pate.


Christians might have an extra helping though...
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:01am PT
This BVB quote from a few pages back raises an important question:

and how does leb get "shit" through the motherf*#king wordfilter?

gosh, i though sh#t was wordfiltered but i guess not. we need a moderator!!

Its true, Lois got the word right through, printed correctly. I think there's only one possible answer, like a knife through the gordian knot: LEB is Chris Macnamara!
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:03am PT
500. wow.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:04am PT
shit apparently works?

not SH#T though. shit! works.
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:06am PT
Oh f*#k, now Pate is LEB?
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:07am PT
But BvB wrote the word out (shit) and it flushed right through too. Is BvB also LEB?

As for insane - there's one saying that goes something like "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results." So....I looked at Pate's post record for yesterday(accused and guilty of the cyber-stalking charge; you may sue me at you leisure). Ho man.... I see where hew took about 20 minutes for the morning constitutional(guess he doesn't have wireless), and a proper hour lunch break and dinner break, but other than that.... I hate to say it, Pate, but I think the girl you told Lois you were looking at last night might have been your own reflection in the monitor!






(happiegrrrl ducks n covers)
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:41am PT
from Webster's:

insane |inˈsān|
adjective

1) in a state of mind that prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction; seriously mentally ill.

2)
Credit: Pate

3) American women




edit: happiegirl, either I'm an idiot or you need to re-word your post, I can't seem to figure it out. I'm sure it was funny though with the right delivery!
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:44am PT
Whatever, man. Happi Rocks!

Definitions are limits. We respect no limits.
:-)
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:50am PT
Parody is the best form of flattery, there's no malevolent intention there Skully.




Unless she's LEB.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 3, 2010 - 11:54am PT
Well, it's certainly A form of flattery, I'll give you that.
Better flattery than flatulence, I always say.
Cheers.
Flaccid

Gym climber
U.S. of fukkin' A
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:02pm PT
WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE? DID ROKJOX GET BANNED?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:07pm PT
nobody can get banned, except crowley

rok left on his own
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:13pm PT
RJ is suffering through a self-imposed ban. after kicking sand in the face of many others, some of the other kids started kicking sand back. this changed RJ's perception of whether it was really fun to kick sand but by the time RJ decided to become conciliatory, all of the other sand kickers were having a ball. this then caused RJ to curl into a ball and call for moderation. moderation is really best when it is self imposed as there is no way to moderate others, especially this crew.....
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:13pm PT
Rok will be back- his keyboard blew up because he was typing so furiously, he's going to Best Buy today.
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:15pm PT

"his keyboard blew up because he was typing so furiously, he's going to Best Buy today."...


LOL!!!...
























and as soon as I take a sh!t...

I'm headed to meet up with Cosmic for a day of sunshine and climbing...

Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!...


















Carry on with the "GUD" cause!!!...

This sh!t is PRICELESS!!!...

LOL!!!...

Captain...or Skully

Social climber
You wanted to!
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:17pm PT
jstan

climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:40pm PT
I detect an incipient meltdown.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 3, 2010 - 12:46pm PT
Happie, we're ( us guys) all crazy when it comes to grrls, didn't you know that by now?
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Feb 3, 2010 - 02:22pm PT
sounds like pate wants his turn at the tailpipe.. jealousy is wrecking him..poor guy must be suffering..
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 02:22pm PT
Triple cross-posted. Moderate my new-found Photshop skills. LOOK OUT- Pate has entered an all new dimension of self-expression!

Credit: Pate
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 3, 2010 - 06:27pm PT
while your first piece of artwork has some positives, well, it might look better if the veil covered the face.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 3, 2010 - 07:57pm PT
shh he's on a roll!
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Feb 3, 2010 - 09:10pm PT
Your thread is losing steam, dude. Running out of gas. Without any further input from RJ and not further Loisification, it is doomed to anonymity beyond the front page.

And I think she was hot when she was 40 or so.... Nice shape, cute smile.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2010 - 09:35pm PT
Pete, it's not my thread. It's LEB's. She bought it from Rox.
Comicscragsman

Social climber
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
Once AGAIN, this forum needs a MODERATOR.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
I nominate....

























































































































STFU









































































































































as the perfect moderator
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
I NOMINATE,...































































































T*R!
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