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Pate
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 29, 2010 - 01:43pm PT
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Why did RokJox's most recent meltdown get yanked? It can't be posted to and has disappeared from the actual list
I'm screaming censorship.
And threatening lawsuits that you have no intention of following through on is immature, ahem, RJ....
If you post up pics of yourself then you have to live with it. And Ps is a fact of life, especially when you get people P'O'd.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
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Jan 29, 2010 - 01:48pm PT
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Did I miss some Supertaco drama.
Damm.
Juan
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
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Jan 29, 2010 - 01:57pm PT
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Please explain what happened
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Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:11pm PT
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RJ melted down over the use of Ps to "enhance" his image, which everyone knows needs some enhancing.
I'm totally lost here, but a sucker for drama. What are Ps?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:20pm PT
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PS=photoshop.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:23pm PT
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RJ was threatening Locker because Locker manipulated some images of Rocky.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:23pm PT
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Let that be a lesson to ya, mister.
If you are gonna meltdown, get in the tub first.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:25pm PT
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people who feel that their right to free speech is being violated on a commercial site should give a little thought to the bigger picture...
...it is not illegal or unconstitutional to censor speech on a "privately held" web site.
While it is now apparently found unconstitutional to abridge the right of the private sector to engage in political speech, it is not unconstitutional for the private sector to limit free speech in venues that they "own."
What a wonderful thing this free market is... apparently not so free.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:25pm PT
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If you are gonna meltdown, get in the tub first.
Dammit Skully, where were you when I needed you? haha..
Wheeeeeeee.. mmmmmeeeeeltinggggggggg
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:30pm PT
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That was such a great thread. It had everything I love about supertopo. Thanks Locker
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:52pm PT
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What one may build, one may also tear down.....It's what it is.
Movin' along over here, boss.
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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Who exactly was the person in this photo I found on the internet ? I forgot ... ;)
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jan 29, 2010 - 02:55pm PT
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wow..........
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:02pm PT
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Well, I'm an "Idee-Ho", too, And I ain't skeered.
Nice, Dingus. Very much so.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
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Dude, these internets is like THE Wild West.
Draw, ye danged ol' fleabag varmit!
(Happy Birday, though late, Lockerman) Now draw yore shootin' iron!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
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What's really... I was going to say weird, but I think maybe "scary" is more accurate... What's really weird/scary about the whole thing is the idea that because someone has done some photoshopping and posted a semi-obscene picture of me on the internet, a prospective employer might not hire me.
Whereas, in reality, the thing that would scare away a prospective employer is the off-the-deep end ranting and threatening that I do in response.
Maybe internet forums are like gambling, or booze, or whatever. You can sit down to a card game now and then, and it makes no impact on your life. Some folks can't control the urge to gamble, and it ruins their lives. Ditto with a glass of wine with dinner for one person, and a life in the gutter for another. Maybe there are people who just should not, under any circumstances, ever log on to a public forum.
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:26pm PT
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Ghost - BINGO !
Rokjox should pack his bags and logoff permanently
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:26pm PT
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DRAW!!
Why you daggum stinkin' low down yellah bellied potlicker.....
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:26pm PT
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dang... all this chatter....
what'd I miss?
LOL
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:30pm PT
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Some people do not belong the internet
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
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Hey, I'm offensive.....uh, um, I mean Offended.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
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Locker, remember when I accused you of cursing my climbing trips and threatened to come down to J-Tree and entomb you in glue, then shape you into a giant buttplug and go looking for an elephant to stuff you into?
Why didn't you threaten to beat me up or sic your lawyers on me? What's wrong with you?
Happy birthday dude.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 29, 2010 - 03:47pm PT
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Why does everyone assume that is legal to take other people's pictures and modify them and then republish them?
Isn't that clearly a "derivative work," the right of which to make is reserved exclusively to to the copyright owner? (See 17 U.S.C. Section 106) I know there are lots of artists who post to this site; I'm surprised they don't have a view as to whether their work can be appropriated by others without their permission.
And if the owner of this site is given notice that it is being used as a conduit to further copyright infringement and the owner refuses to prevent that, seems like it's liable for contributory infringement.
RJ should consider registering the copyright of some of his pictures before he posts them here, then post them, sit back and wait for the copyright infringement to occur, and then:
BAM, you're hit with a copyright infringement lawsuit, and he as the right to recover statutory damages and attorneys' fees.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 29, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
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No monitary gain...
No damages of any sort...
No loss of any sort...
Open forum...
Case closed!!!...
Maybe, that's why it would be extremely helpful for the copyright owner to have registered his works before the infringing activity began. That way he can recover statutory damages and, possibly, attorneys' fees.
Nevertheless, I'm not so sure that there is no economic damage. This site contains paid advertising, and based on the responses to the threads, the posts that contain apparently infringing photos are some of the most popular on this site. Therefore, the copyright infringement is being used to draw eyeballs, for profit. Not saying I agree with that, but I see the argument . . .
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Jan 29, 2010 - 04:08pm PT
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Locker's gonna sue me ?
I doubt it ....
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 29, 2010 - 04:16pm PT
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No, I think it's pretty clear you have implied permission to repost photos that others have originally posted on Internet forum (that is, if nothing else, that original poster has chosen to post the photos on a site that invites commentary and replies).
The potential copyright infringement I saw was the preparation of the "derivative work" by Locker. He took RJ's photo (which is protected by copyright law, even if it isn't registered), and then he modified it to create a derivative work. Only a copyright owner has the right to prepare a derivative work (I cited to the federal law that says that above).
Locker's point that there are no damages seems good, but his actions do seem to have caused "psychic" damage--I don't know if those "count" under a claim for copyright infringement.
What if this pisses of RJ so much he goes out and does something crazy?
Lawsuits have filed for flimsier reasons, I'm sure.
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Jan 29, 2010 - 04:37pm PT
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photoid=143047
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 29, 2010 - 04:50pm PT
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Poor muffler.
Somebody call Midas.
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Steve L
Gym climber
SUR
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Jan 29, 2010 - 05:15pm PT
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Maybe its....
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 29, 2010 - 05:18pm PT
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blahblahblah is a lawyer right? don't take it personally, but by definition you suck dude. Don't ruin the thread with your occupation, shouldn't you be out ruining lives and transferring wealth for your benefit?
Arguing about copyright law is so "yawn".
Sorry, I was trying to make it slightly interesting by hinting that that RJ may have a viable case. No one bought it.
How about a claim for good old "intentional infliction of emotional distress," or, my favorite, "outrageous conduct"?
I won't play Mr. Lawyer more than I already have--this whole thing was just so funny that I wanted to contribute--sorry it came across as buzzkill.
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Jan 29, 2010 - 05:20pm PT
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This freak has dissed too many legends on ST. What cums around goes around Lance.
photoid=143047
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 29, 2010 - 05:25pm PT
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Locker I've loved your photo postings but honestly, I think you took things a little too far with Rokjox. For quite awhile you kept saying in the other thread that you still thought kindly of him but then you kept stuff posted that he was pretty uncomfortable with. I mean, this stuff is supposed be entertaining and in good fun, especially for the person being lampooned, but if that person is really offended and hurt then it isn't much fun anymore and I don't see the point in keep it up.
Anyway, no disprespect intended. I just hate to see people leave like this.
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salvador_dali
Social climber
far far away
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Jan 29, 2010 - 05:33pm PT
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 29, 2010 - 07:49pm PT
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Better to find a girlfriend if ya don't hafta travel.......
Hey, I'm from Arkansas, folks. I can make incest jokes.
I have a pass.
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Jan 29, 2010 - 08:08pm PT
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jan 29, 2010 - 08:22pm PT
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Wow, this thread, which I simply haven't logged enough time in the non-climbing related topics here to even follow, offers a really strange counterpoint to Dingus' lovely paean to Tacolife currently on the front page.
It just doesn't pay to get too wound up, and life is much simpler if you're the same person online that you are to the rest of the world. Or anyway, that's what works for me.
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Gene
Social climber
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Jan 29, 2010 - 08:52pm PT
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In your dreams, jeff.
Nice wheels though.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jan 29, 2010 - 08:57pm PT
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Fatty,
Cosmic is busy with his lighter.
He did tell me to tell you
ALL YOU PRIMA DONNAS ARE ALL THE SAME!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 29, 2010 - 10:17pm PT
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dirtbag,
Ever the sensitive emo Demo huh! None of the pics were that bad, nothing that couldn't be explained away to a potential employer, who would have to dig pretty hard to find them.
The evil one
You're probably right, but I don't know , fun's fun and all that but this obviously bothered him deeply.
Oh, and about the sensitive part, f*#k you.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 29, 2010 - 10:59pm PT
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Supertypo is HILARIOUS! hahahahah
can't stop giggling. I love that sense of humor(as opposed to enjoying and bagging on the discomfort of another....).
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 29, 2010 - 11:30pm PT
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I know why he's smilin'.
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Jan 29, 2010 - 11:56pm PT
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“He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.”
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 12:06am PT
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If you leave, your words will be missed, RJ. Even if you called me a sissy and what not.
Social maldevelopement will save us, I hope.
Also a locker and Cragsman fan.....
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 12:33am PT
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???????????????
Feel free
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 30, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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Hiya, Willie.....Didja post that in the "Who Are You People" thread?
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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OMG. I have arrived.
Good thing I can't afford a dentist, let alone a lawyer!
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 12:44am PT
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Captian - no, but I'll find a better one when this laughter/coughing spell subsides
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 12:48am PT
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Can I use that in the doppleganger thread....
or will he sue me??
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 12:50am PT
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Dude!!!!111
I'm gonna have a heart attack!!!!
My dependants will sue your ass!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:00am PT
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Laughter is truly the best medicine!!!
Peace out!!!
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:06am PT
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I live 8 miles from Ruby Ridge (good f*#king snowmobiling!) and this thread is uber lame.
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:18am PT
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A snowmobile is something you hang over your baby's crib with hanging paper cutouts. A snowMACHINE is something you shouldn't ride anymore because we know better. Unless it is your winter car and you need groceries.
Speaking of uber lame said the pot...
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:21am PT
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Too easy to switch my flip.
Better walk the dog..
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:37am PT
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Cragsman, I can't get in there as much as I'm dying to read my recent hatemail. I must have even bullshitted the answere to my secret question.
You actually have my real e-mail, believe it or not.
I'm kinda surprised you haven't put 2 and 2 together.
Peace
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:48am PT
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Not Matt. I knew Hosh a few years ago. I would prefer to not broadcast my real name for obvious reasons. It's been kinda downhill since we last talked. I'll e-mail you.
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:50am PT
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Well, it doesn't show your address when I click e-mail Cosm...,
I'm sure you can figure it out.
Peace
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 02:11am PT
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message sent, walking dog in super freshies falling...............
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 03:43am PT
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So I tried to check out to a movie, but it didn't work.
Don't joke about ruby ridge.
The f*#king swat team shot the kid's dog. And then they shot the kid trying to save his buddy.
A tragedy regardless of his dad's beliefs/actions.
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 03:54am PT
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Holy thread destruction, resurrection, and DRIFT!
RockJox????
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:32pm PT
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I'm sorry to see ST get to this point. Shame on all sides.
I like Rokjox. Sometimes he is the only other poster willing to stick his neck out and think. I hope he hasn't left ST.
You guys need to treat one another as you would want to be treated.
The Golden Rule.
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Jan 30, 2010 - 01:49pm PT
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I'm sorry to see ST get to this point. Shame on all sides.
Life's best lessons are the ones hardest learned
There is nothing shameful about that
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jan 30, 2010 - 04:27pm PT
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"I live 8 miles from Ruby Ridge (good f*#king snowmobiling!) and this thread is uber lame."
"that smells like RJ"
i don't think so. check Blowboarder's history - 1308 posts going way back.
i do hope Rokjox reappears.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jan 30, 2010 - 06:03pm PT
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Group hug, everyone.
This too shall pass.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 30, 2010 - 06:44pm PT
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Who cares, eh?
I (tried to) bike with the guy.
Whatever.
Oh, now I get raving E's. Why am I so special?
I thought I was just some chimp chump. Whatever.
None of my biz. Weird sketchiness.
Folks should chill. I've learned this. Oh, yes.
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luggi
Trad climber
from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car
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Jan 30, 2010 - 08:36pm PT
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this is my observation and facial expression after following this thread..geeezus
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 30, 2010 - 09:18pm PT
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If you look at whole thread critically ....
It's really Locker who's losing it.
He can't stop posting in this thread because he's ridden with unconscious guilt.
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James Doty
Trad climber
Idyllwild, Ca.
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Jan 30, 2010 - 10:19pm PT
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I have been put off by some of RJ's post/rants also. He can be a little hard to take sometimes, but so are some of the others on here. He is obviously VERY offended. Maybe you guys should give him a break?
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James Doty
Trad climber
Idyllwild, Ca.
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Jan 30, 2010 - 10:38pm PT
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Yeah, he went off when I posted about people leaving their dogs tied up at the base of climbs or just running around while they are climbing. Just a quick comment and out came a page long dissertation about Cali's and Idaho and we all got dogs stay out of Idaho... I thought what the f*#k? But I guess I just felt kind of sorry for him.
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James Doty
Trad climber
Idyllwild, Ca.
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Jan 30, 2010 - 11:03pm PT
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Nice job on the great white grizzly.
Edit after Locker post; I totally agree with that.
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James Doty
Trad climber
Idyllwild, Ca.
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Jan 30, 2010 - 11:14pm PT
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Great white grizzly sounds cool though.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 31, 2010 - 12:23am PT
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Hey James...he OFFICIALLY complained...
photo's removed (mine anyway)...
supposedly threatened a LAW SUIT against myself and ST...(supposedly STILL going to SUE me... BRING IT THE FUK ON!!!)...
Not TOO cool!!!...
Control FREAK with a bug up his ass...
DOESN'T deserve a "break"...
Locker, is this true? Lance filed a complaint with CMac about your photos?
Before I start ranting, please clarify. Did Lance actually complain? And did Chris Mac ask you to scrub the photos?
D
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 31, 2010 - 12:42am PT
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What a pathetic piece of human garbage. His own posts are full of hate and anger and nastiness, but the instant some fun is poked at him, he goes crying to mommy.
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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Jan 31, 2010 - 12:51am PT
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Think of it this way:
Just another loser trying to engage your energy to compensate for his/her pathetic life. You want to give them all that time of yours?
I certainly choose not to. Your call.
Nonetheless, the spin-outs, deletions, complaints, ad nauseum, are not new to Lance, or any other number of posters on this board.
And now some Elvis Costello, for clarification:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbCyfyiEWCw
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 31, 2010 - 01:24am PT
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Climbing sure does bring out a bunch of NUTS...
No, Locker, climbing mostly brings out a bunch of really wonderful people. We've all got our problems, and none of us is perfect, but most of us try to be as decent as we can. And most of us know that it's worth accepting the imperfections of others in return for having our own imperfections accepted.
But "most of us" doesn't mean "all of us." There are a few in this community who are virulent in unwillingness to accept the differing views of others. But this particular case goes beyond even that, because here we have someone who regularly unloads all kinds of nastiness on others, but can't accept even the slightest criticism of himself.
So don't sweat it.
Sure, you maybe get carried away sometimes, and post things that would be better kept as a private giggle. But that's hardly the end of the world. If you'd posted some kind of unpleasantness about someone nice, then I'd be among those calling for your head, but to send a little message back at someone whose native language is nastiness... Who can argue with that?
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Jan 31, 2010 - 01:38am PT
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Anders will you be representing me or Rokjox in the Canadian trial ?
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Steve L
Gym climber
SUR
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Jan 31, 2010 - 02:50am PT
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I work for a fairly large company, and I have been responsible for hiring a few people over the years. When we start the hiring/screening process (we do heavy background checks), we start with basic google searches of the candidate. You see all kinds of stuff......court cases, crazy blogs, questionable Facebook profiles, psycho Twitter posts, all kinds of weird shit; and yes, random forum posts. If you see some racy pics (commonplace with 20 somethings' FB profiles), or some back and forth ribbing and banter on a forum, you assume that the person is normal. You might also assume that the person has a good sense of humor - a highly valuable trait when dealing with clients. If you see pics that are OBVIOUSLY manipulated by a third party.....non issue. However, the one thing that you ALWAYS stay away from, the major deal breaker, is a history of litigiousness. As an employer, the one thing you fear most, and avoid like the plague, is a person who has the tendency to sue. Pathetic little creature.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jan 31, 2010 - 11:04am PT
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Prospective employer sees hundreds of posts of mainly chest thumping, diatribes and name calling with many allusions of violence, retribution and a total lack of self deprecation.......
Dick Cheney hiring? If not, then who? et tu brutus?
Seems to me, those photos would be the least of lances hurdles to surmount.
Bravo!
-and ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
I generally skip the loquacious megalomaniacs' posts, but the average employer might knott.
As the classic WWII saying goes: "loose lips sink ships".
Rokjox has done a remarkable job of sinking his own.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 31, 2010 - 11:34am PT
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Not llike you didn't see it coming.
Did rkjx get the boot?
Hope it's just temporary
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 31, 2010 - 11:41am PT
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As one who had their legal name linked to their non-business internet crap, I can tell you it is not fun doing a Google search and seeing the bullshit come up - years later - within the first items.
You all may be right that the person this thread is yanking off about has posted some rude and mean stuff. But do you really want to have it in the back of your mind, as you watch that person struggle financially, that it was THIS stupid thread that has assisted in their difficulty in finding work? Do you really want his family, perhaps his wife, to find such a thing and then go clicking off to see what else he's had to say online? Really?
I know this is all in 8gud* fun to some of you, but my god; What wankery. Winter cabin fever is about the best I can categorize the reason for it being.
Please - Give it a rest already. Forget about the photos; just go back and delete his legal name - those who have posted it. If not as an act of kindness, then out of a favor to me. I can tell you that I do not enjoy the fact that my family can search my name and get a nice, juicy, nasty post about my private life, in an area that is pretty high on the sensitivity scale for me. Perhaps you might be doing more damage than you are imagining.
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nita
Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Jan 31, 2010 - 11:53am PT
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The Lord of the Flies- is alive and well on S.T...
Thanks for your post Happigrrrl.....
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Dave Buchanan
Gym climber
Marin Hot Tub Country
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Jan 31, 2010 - 12:34pm PT
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whoa- I never saw that. After seeing that I'm thinking he's getting "Payback Lite" comparatively.
Way uncool.
edit: Way to man up on the name Dave. I'll now officially rescind my prior statement about the name pulling.
Thanks.
A little perspective goes a long way (especially so in this case).
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jan 31, 2010 - 12:47pm PT
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Well put HK
That's what I meant when I said in a previous post, "Rok can dish it out but he can't take it."
Exactly.
I love this little gem Locker posted:
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jan 31, 2010 - 02:29pm PT
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Wow...no wonder I try to be nice to everyone, even on the intardnet.
It's so easy to come off all bad*ssy with people on here, but I don't really see it paying off for people.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 31, 2010 - 02:45pm PT
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So if RJ is such an obvious whack job (and that appears to be the case, although we're only getting one side of the story), why are you all taunting him so much instead of just leaving the guy alone?
Is cyberbullying someone who seems to have some mental health issues and a rough life really that much fun?
But thanks for allowing me to feel morally superior--a feeling I don't often get to enjoy.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Jan 31, 2010 - 02:48pm PT
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Locker,
some of your ps work is just plain sh#t but that last one of you as a judge is pretty fukin funny!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jan 31, 2010 - 05:43pm PT
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An aptly named blahblah wrote:
So if RJ is such an obvious whack job (and that appears to be the case, although we're only getting one side of the story), why are you all taunting him so much instead of just leaving the guy alone?
Is cyberbullying someone who seems to have some mental health issues and a rough life really that much fun?
But thanks for allowing me to feel morally superior--a feeling I don't often get to enjoy.
Ahh, poor Rokjox the victim...
So no mention of his HARASSING EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS, not to mention thousands upon thousands
of antagonistic (and some demonstrably libelous) posts made by him, and WE are the bullies all of a sudden
by posting unflattering PS jobs of him, and posting some of his quotes?
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!1111
Poor, poor victim!
And if Y'all can't understand that, especially YOU locker, you worthless jerkwad, you can goddamn well BET I ain't gonna forget it, and I am going to find some way to bring it HOME to you.
-Rokjox aka The Victim™
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sportcamper
Trad climber
gunx
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Jan 31, 2010 - 08:16pm PT
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Locker- may the "spirit" be with You...
god....
some thin skin on certain folks...
what a shame.....
but-
I am going cimbing, hope the rest of y'all are too!!!!!!
peace!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 31, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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It's easy to say "Lance had it coming." I said it upthread, and it's probably true. But nonetheless, instead of just continuing to make fun of him, maybe we should all back off a bit and see what happens.
The man is obviously troubled, and his troubles are compounded by drink. He often vents unreasonable anger on this forum, but maybe what's happened in the last few days will make him realize that if he tones himself down and contributes in a positive way, then this kind of crap won't happen in the future. Who knows?
One thing I do know is that poking a caged animal with sharp sticks is no sign of maturity or humanity. We've all had a turn at telling him that it was his own uncontrolled and aggressive behavior that led to this, so maybe now is the time to say "You've paid the price, so come on back and if you make a positive contribution, you'll be welcome.
D
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dustonian
climber
Foresta
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Jan 31, 2010 - 09:12pm PT
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Ghost is right, what's the point in ridiculing someone who is obviously troubled to begin with? Some of the attitude on this thread remind me of a bunch of teenagers picking on the fat kid who doesn't fit in... pretty pathetic really, maybe it's time to grow up a little bit huh? Just because one guy is a big baby doesn't give a free license for some of you to turn into a bunch of malicious adolescents in forum-land. I'd recommend trying a new hobby for some of you guys, because climbing obviously isn't doing it for you anymore...oh yeah, that reminds me why I never bother looking at this site anymore.
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willie
Trad climber
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Jan 31, 2010 - 09:55pm PT
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Nobody likes to back down. Especially climbers. This thread should probably die soon for everyone's sake. I like you both in your own ways.
That said, a word of warning-
I'm pretty sure I caught something nasty from that Toyota!
Those fishnet rubbers are bunk!
Be careful out there!
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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Jan 31, 2010 - 10:29pm PT
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It takes all kinds to make a village?
Dood, I think it was Oxy - X is soo last century. ;)
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luggi
Trad climber
from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car
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Jan 31, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
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Hey Pate.....ya never know who will take aim at you......
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 31, 2010 - 11:10pm PT
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Even though RJ and I have aired our differences on here, I would tie in with him tomorrow.
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st_mini_me
Social climber
Olamola,NM
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time for a group hug everyone
at least it never got to this point! - http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2009/05/07/how-i-sued-a-craigslist-sex-troll/
..................."IT IS HEREBY ORDERED AND ADJUDGED," wrote Judge Joan B. Gottschall 30 months later — handing down $74,252.56 in legal fines to Fortuny. Three law firm associates had spent 129.2 hours (at $175 per hour) litigating his 2006 Craigslist prank, plus another 35 hours by the main attorney billed at $275 per hour. As part of the judge's award, Fortuny will have to pay all their legal fees — a total of $32,365.50 — and he'll even end up paying the extra costs accrued because he avoided their process servers.
"I hope that it demonstrates that claims (and attorneys) do exist that enable victims to pursue those who commit wrongful acts," says the victim's lawyer, Charles Mudd.
"Whenever I questioned 'why bother doing this', I just re-read the posts where Fortuny was taunting the victims who begged him to remove their information," says victim John Doe, "and that renewed my resolve." In the end, Fortuny's stubbornness is what led them to court. "He publicly demonstrated his unwillingness to negotiate with others, so I knew that only a hardball response would be effective and that direct contact with him would be a waste of time and tip him off to my plans."
Ironically, Fortuny was only fined $5,000 for "public disclosure of private facts" and "intrusion upon seclusion." The remaining bulk of the award — $35,001 — was for violating the plaintiff's copyright. "The Copyright Act provides for statutory damages from $750 to $35,000 per infringed work," says Mudd, but those damages "can exceed $35,000 up to an amount of $150,000 per infringed work where the conduct was willful." This means that ultimately, it was Fortuny's own "willful" conduct that increased the price he'd eventually have to pay, Mudd argues. "In general, Mr. Fortuny could have limited the amount of damages under the Copyright Act and could have significantly reduced the amount of attorney's fees throughout the course of this matter.
"He chose not to do so." ......
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Interesting.
I was gonna let pate have the last word cause it's his thread.
Die thread, DIE!
We've had our fun and suffering.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Wow.... just.... wow.
Well, I've always been a fan of Lockers work. I would never think to take offense to him screwing with me.
I always put my name and face on this site, because I should be held accountable to what I say. I like to think too that everyone on this site is an actual person, not just an avatar, but a man or woman typing on a keyboard somewhere not so far away. Thats why I've always preferred ST to RC.COM. The anonymity of that website has made everyone rougher around the edges, much too willing to cut someone down. Here, you don't know. They might just be someone you'd like. However most people use an anyonymous avatar to hide behind... whatever.
Maybe because of that, I think if someone asks you to pull some images of them, or to delete something you said about them, or anything that takes no effort but they ask for you should do it. It may not make sense for you, but they have their reasons. I would like to think that people would do the same for me, if for whatever reason I ask.
Now the issue of employers searching online and coming across this, well, I'm not sure what to tell you besides paranoia can spawn from overusing certain narcotics ;D
I don't have a horse in this race, so I want to stay out of it. But in the end, its frustrating that people can't just be cool.
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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That's pretty darn good Cosmic!
Can anyone else smell the introspection inspired by this car-crash disaster?
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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The gaps are a little annoying.
You can still check me out doin the SUV any time you want on the 121- page.
Stack of bibles, I WILL NOT BUMP THIS THREAD AFTER 12am AK TIME.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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RJ's running from the law...
Grandbabies, portraying yourself in a 'proper manner', is all hogwash.
Y'er on the lam...from someone.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Hardman Knott: Will you please remove your post linking my screen name to my Birth name?
Lets see if it works. I will email him with the same request.
Done.
I too have a request...
Will you please stop acting like a whiney 5 year old?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Moderation is for sissies.
If you don't
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Rokjox,
I won't ever post a picture of you, but you have to admit that you have been borderline inappropriate (words, not images)with numerous people in various threads over the years. Words can easily be as harsh as pictures.
I have personally been amazed with the harshness of your online persona at times.
Numerous people have tried to point this out to you in threads long before this mess took off.
You are, in my opinion, much better at dishing out the words than taking flak in images.
I don't believe any of these nonsense images will ever hurt you in anyway. You just have a personal problem with them.
That said, I would take them out if you asked me to. But you certainly have a way of stirring up your own hornets nest.
If you can't see that part of the equation, then you are definitely missing something.
No, we don't need a moderator.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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'Paris as a Apache Dance troupe.'
It's an, not a.
Dude, this thread is way to long to read every word, but c'mon. Did the images you're pissed about originate from your computer?
If yes, then too bad. you posted an image of yourself in a public place. That's YOUR fault. If it bothers you, then let it bother you, but keep it to yourself. You put these images into the public realm, you messed up if you want to keep the Russian Mob from finding you.
OK, who can work their magic on this one?
Or this?
Lighten up man.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Nice Rok, that's the most moderate post you've put up about the whole thing.
Good job.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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BTW, this recent discourse seems like moderation to me.
We don't need a specific moderator, let the group consensus decide what is right and what is not.
Self moderation.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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RJ,
I totally disagree with a lot of your opinions, but nobody is asking you to leave!
Just take a deep breath and then keep inciting me with your conservative agenda!
Don't leave.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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C'mon Cosmic, hook the man up.
HE
ASKED
FOR
IT!
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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My skin is pretty thick.
Do your worst, You'd have to do something illegal to offend me.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Pate, you should thank ROX-
you finally have a thread over 50 posts!
Locker too- you're honing your manip skills here.
Love the meltdown threads!
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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well...........
don't let the door slap you in the ass.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Rok,
This is you advocating against censorship of any kind.
Stop ragging on me about what I (deleted) for relaxation and pleasure. I make the points here about it because this is a forum that hasnt been censored yet and so I can dare to tell it like it is, as can we all.(deleted) is a VERY political statement and this forum is one of the last remaining bastions of freedom of the press and speech, MUCH restricted, despite the US Constitution. It (deleted) has very little to do with my life external to my friendships as you can bet I cannot admit to its (deleted) in my secret idenity as mild mannered > (name witheld to protect my freedom of speech (??WTF!!)
Liberty (!!??) and association.
C'mon man, lighten up!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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locker and rox, cream of the crop? or jizz on the floor? you decide...
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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edit: for no caps lock.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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While the above quoted post, offering support for Locker may have reflected my ideas in the past
It wasn't about Locker.
It was between you and LEB and it was about a plant.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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sorry for askin rox, but are you working yet?
on that old thread (2007) i gave you some idears. did you actually look at them? just think, you could have been two years further in getting your degree.
edit-
you could always glue shoes, something tells me you might have what it takes....
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Watch out.....Ya might get "whuped".
Or knott.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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skip,
thats a pretty low post IMHO. while rox may have pissed some people off is that really necessary? seriously?
hell, locker's addled brain and juvenile pics offer less than rox's posts, in general.
maybe a mod IS necessary to protect the idiots from themselves...
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Gene
Social climber
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Perhaps, maybe, it's time to back off and everyone return to their corners.
Don't see much chance for a resolution here.
I get dizzy going in circles. Maybe a tad of respect for each other, deserved or knott, might be a GUD thing?
Call it a day, K? Nothing good will come out of this the way it's going.
'Nuff?
gm
EDIT: Following post appeared while i was writing.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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pate, understood. i dont have a clue what is in someone's inbox. if Rox aint smart enough to frickin realize that an email can be posted for the world to see, then perhaps someone ought to post some. that shuts them up real fast.
from an outside observer's perspective seems as though skip's post was below the belt...
you guys seem to be egging him on (hell i have done that too).
i think you all have proved whatever point it is that you are making. i got it, rox can dish it out but can't take it.
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Gene
Social climber
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You know that roadkill is dead before you discover it.
Leave him alone for a while. This has gone on long enough.
Whacha think?
OK, everybody. Points made. Where do we go from here? An endless swirl into the bottom of the tank?
gm
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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ok cosmic...that is the first, uhh, "manipulation" that made me laugh...
scary thing is lockers smile there.
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Gene
Social climber
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So much for my Nobel Peace Prize.
Carry on if you must.
gm
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Haha!
The old Fake Locker imposter is Back!
too funny.
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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photoid=143666
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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a rush limbaugh fan lecturing
on decency...........too funny.
i'd tie in w/pate any day.
w/ rox............i'd rather
free solo some choss.
edit: and so now i get a non-endorsement
by a non-climber who knows nothing about
climbing on a climbers forum.
beyond funny.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Rokjox’s morse code message may be a cryptic farewell.
In international ham radio language, it translates to:
”QSL”
“Best Regards”
“Contact has ended”
“Closing radio station”
I call bullshít on him leaving, let alone staying away for any length of time.
Absolute, utter bullshít.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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this crap brings in the bacon from the ad companies, believe it or knott,
so we should Pay Locker, And Cosmic for all the photo work, what say?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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it is hours of work to download a bunch of pics,
doctor it all up,
re do it, then re shape it, form it,
up link the mofo if you can find the right file,
then post it,
so it is not like we are dealing with hardened criminals,
are we?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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hillarious!
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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I'm not rokjox.
And only faags call sledneckin' "snowmachining".
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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pate you are correct, and no doubt LEB is not much to work with....or she is a piece of work however you want to put it...
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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I am shocked and saddened by the current state of Supertopo and these threads.
Juvenile "art", unrelenting LEB bashing, and general lack of taste.
I'm ashamed of you guys.
Hold on...
Ok, I just tuned up.
I fvckin love this sh!t !!!
Keep up the good work, dudes.
I'm proud ti call you my friends.
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