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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Dec 10, 2009 - 04:26pm PT
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What is going on?
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Barbarian
Trad climber
slowly dying in the OC
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Dec 10, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
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Remain a safe distance from them.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 10, 2009 - 04:29pm PT
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Anastasia, whats up girl? This about you or a friend?
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 10, 2009 - 04:31pm PT
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An irrational person blames others for their behavior.
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zeta
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Dec 10, 2009 - 04:34pm PT
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hey i just PM'ed you some info...
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
the land of puppies and waterfalls and rainbows
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Dec 10, 2009 - 04:40pm PT
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A,
We're here for you. You have been so kind to me, if I need to hop on a plane right now, I will.
What's going on?
If it's creepy stalker stuff, the police can handle it, if it's more pressing, reach out and surround yourself with friends.
Let us know, please.
Your Friend,
Brandon-
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Dec 10, 2009 - 04:41pm PT
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TROs set up legal boundary lines only, but are necessary to pursue issues later should the behavior continue and the boundaries be crossed.
Physical security boundaries are different. do what you need to do to be safe.
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seamus mcshane
climber
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Dec 10, 2009 - 05:02pm PT
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Somebody need a beating-meeting?
Do tell, good soul...
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 10, 2009 - 05:06pm PT
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Ana
I hope you & your hubby are okay.
Let us know if there's anything we can
help with.
best wishes
Steve
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Gene
Social climber
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Dec 10, 2009 - 05:08pm PT
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Make yourself or whomever SAFE right NOW. Do not engage or confront the antagonist. Find a safe place. Love to you and yours from the tribe. Prayers coming at you from every direction. Godspeed, Lass!
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Dec 10, 2009 - 05:17pm PT
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Sadly that's the problem - you can't reason with an irrational person.
Get a R.O. to protect yourself. Then if it escalates it's easier to stop it....or get some of the taco crew together and we'll manage the problem for you.
kev
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Dec 10, 2009 - 06:03pm PT
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Ana, WHAT UP ??? Be back in a momentita for yo Gal. Serious. Email asap !
Lynne
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HighGravity
Trad climber
Southern California
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Dec 10, 2009 - 06:07pm PT
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Restraining orders work, although sometimes they feel like they don't. Start by documenting EVERYTHING and making police reports, even if they are for documentation purposes only. Some officers will try to get out of writing a simple report, but don't let them. Demand it and go higher on the food chain if need be.
If you get one and it is violated, call the police and have them taken to jail, even if it's only for the night. At the least demand a report be written. A legal paper trail is the best thing to have on your side in court. It's best to get a notebook specifically for documentation. Keep track of dates, times, what happened and any police report or incident numbers generated. I can't tell you enough to document everything!
Hope this helps.
PS the most common report is under 653 (m) of the California Penal Code. Annoying or threatening phone calls. Google it, learn it, so the officers know you know.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 10, 2009 - 07:04pm PT
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Ana, you've got a lot of support here. Anything we can do we will.I can runs specific legal questions by chasbro the lawdog, if noone else answers first.
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F10
Trad climber
e350
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Dec 10, 2009 - 07:39pm PT
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I hope that you and Bill are safe and can get this under control
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:13am PT
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Did anyone talk to Ana? It would be nice to know if she is okay.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:18am PT
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Sometimes the display of modern ice tools, one in each hand, can convince a irrational person to act temporarily rational.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:20am PT
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LOL, true dat. Especially while wearing a goalie's mask.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Dec 11, 2009 - 06:48am PT
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Hey Ana, I'm available. Just dial 1-800-DRTY-DEEDS-DUNDURTCHEEP!!
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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Dec 11, 2009 - 11:13am PT
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rotten johnny
Social climber
mammoth lakes, ca
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Dec 11, 2009 - 12:01pm PT
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sorry if you are in a bind ...i had a 230 pound bigfoot like creature force his way into my residence and try to rough me up....i dialed 911 and the constables were there pronto....i knew the responding officer on a personal basis and he didn't want to file a report....what!....i insisted and he got a temporary restraining order which got served to the dip at his place of employment....i got the papers to fill out the restraining order but the 30 something pages and court appearance didn't fit into my schedule so i bought some pepper spray....best of luck
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:20pm PT
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hey there, say annastasia, i am praying for you real hard right now... i had trouble from my ex, once... but no one seemed to help, no matter where i went, it was an awful hard time then... but--god got me this far...
hang in there, pray too, along the way to help...
from other folks, i hear restraining orders do and don't---just as the other posters mentioned: and for said-same reasons... :(
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zeta
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:46pm PT
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I worked at two domestic violence shelters (in MT and NM) many years ago, helping women get TROs, navigate the court system, and helping them get into safe housing. This is what I saw:
While TROs often antagonize the guy--and there can definitely be some escalation of violence after it's filed/delivered--it still helps b/c it keeps a paper trail that *eventually* the authorities/courts notice and recognize. When TROs have been repeatedly violated, the jail time increases and the courts begin to take notice.
TROs are designed to help & protect the woman in this situation and while it may be flawed, it's still better than hoping/wishing the guy will change. Whether the guy changes as a result of receiving TRO is a whole different story.
Unfortunately, many women were intimidated by the amount of paperwork required to file at TRO and just decided not to do it. Or they were so fearful of the consequences ("he'll get mad and beat me up") and decided not to file. Ultimately, the decision is of course theirs to make, but I still think that not filing a TRO puts women in a less secure place--b/c the courts, police still mostly do not take domestic violence seriously and prefer to just stay out of it.
the things that I think help women the most in this kind of situation:
--paperwork (having a consistent and reliable paper trail) that the system will rely on
--having local advocates (if there's a particular judge, district attorney, or someone in the police force) who actually knows about domestic violence, go to them and ask for help. In MT, we had a district attorney that thought domestic violence was something women made up, while the judge definitely understood how domestic violence works. Find out who can help you...
--utilize the women who work at domestic violence shelters/hotlines: most of these women have themselves gotten out of abusive/violent situations and know how to help other women. These women are awesome and totally committed to helping other women. They often have really great suggestions about how to navigate a woman's particular situation.
Anastasia, I've never met you, but am hoping you're doing ok. You've got a big network of folks here able to help here so let us know!
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Anastasia
Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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Dec 11, 2009 - 03:24pm PT
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Things are under control... I will tell you later about it but right now I must run out the door.
Please don't worry, thank you for your kindness and time!
I really love all of you!!!
Anastasia
P.S. Once I tell you the story you will see that this situation will be easy to control/help...
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Dec 11, 2009 - 03:45pm PT
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Does someone need a little hickory stick shampoo therapy?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Dec 11, 2009 - 03:47pm PT
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hey there anastasia... say, we all love you so much...
god bless... happy to hear from you!!!
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Dec 11, 2009 - 03:48pm PT
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Anna -
Not sure what's going on over there, but... my opinion is that a TRO, or an RO will aggravate the irrational, and styme the level headed. Just depends on the person who's been served...
It's all in the eye of the beholder, you know?
Hoping for the best for you and your this holiday season
Cheers
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Beatrix Kiddo
Mountain climber
Littleton
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Dec 11, 2009 - 03:55pm PT
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I have been sleeping with ice tools, my fists and a knife beside my bed ever since some schmuck broke into my place. They serve a good mental purpose but scare off any men I willingly bring home. oops.
Glad the situation is under control. Creepy, stalker types are just plain creepy.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 11, 2009 - 04:05pm PT
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infrared , motion sensitive security camera's!
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Anastasia
Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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Dec 12, 2009 - 04:12pm PT
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Well folks, here is the story now that I have a "little" time.
First let me start at the beginning...
Six years ago I was involved in a not so normal break up. The guy involved wasn't very cooperative when I asked him to move out. I had to involve his father to get him out of my apartment. Then... When I brought over the computer he bought me for my birthday/christmas present along with his portal ledge and a few other items, he refused to take them back. He told me he would throw them away, burn them if I left them there just to get my hand prints off of them... He had done similar things to other things he owned... This includes ripping out the inside of VW van, removing all that made it a camper van during our previous break up to get "my touch" out of there...
Naturally I kept all of it and didn't feel guilty. He told me he didn't want them and that was that. Plus when I moved out of the apartment and had to pay for the damages he had left behind for me, I really didn't mind. He had overloaded the kitchen cabinets with his books and rock collection which broke their frames. I had to pay for replacing them which wasn't cheap. Never mind that he also broke my new fridge door with baseball bat in a fit of rage, etc. etc.
Well, that should be the end of the story, right?
Nope... It is never that simple in my life.
He first stalked me a little and than after I hooked up with Bachar... Well, I started hearing how much he disliked me etc. Not a big deal... I ignored that. I had moved too far away to worry about being stalked.
He once in while would email Bachar, but since I told Bachar everything... We both ignored him.
Then last year I started hearing that he was complaining that I had stolen those very same items from him. This was new... I wonder why it took him five years to think I stole something instead of when we broke up...
Anyway a year ago I received a strange email demanding them back. I ignored it since it was five years ago since the break up... The whole thing didn't sink into my reality. Especially since nothing was stolen, etc. It was a long time ago, etc. etc.
Then I started hearing that he was telling everyone he could how I stole things from him, etc. I didn't like it but... I ignored that too it since it is his trip and his lies are not my problem.
Then a few days ago I heard some disturbing news... I heard that he saw his old portal ledge and freaked out on the friend I had given it to.. He told the guy that he had stolen items, demanded it back, involved his now girlfriend and... Threatened violence... He even got my poor friend's bosses involved, placing my friend's job on the line, etc.
Now this was a new level of aggression that I could not ignore. I see him occasionally at the crags and this scares me. He is obviously obsessed and is now believing in his own lies...
Adding the numbers I am wondering when he will be going after me since he is just looking for a reason "real or not" to take aggressions out on me.
Yes I do want the climbing community to protect me. Right now I have involved his father and am waiting to see the results. If it doesn't get settled soon. If he doesn't back off, I am going to take legal action and...
I will release his name to you guys and let things happen. The only reason I am not doing that right now is... I am giving him one last chance to clean up before I return all these nice favors he has been giving me.
Hugs,
AFS
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 12, 2009 - 04:21pm PT
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I don't have any advice for you, just moral support.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 12, 2009 - 06:37pm PT
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Hey Ana
We're all with you here.
Let us know if you need help.
I'll be in from Colorado pronto.
Regards. . .
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midarockjock
climber
USA
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Dec 12, 2009 - 07:03pm PT
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If not real they could aggravate behavior. If a false claims
exist the statute of limitations maybe 10 years.
Again in 1946 a US Army aircraft flew into the Empire State
Building causing immediate enactment of civil changes discussed
10 years or more prior at the beginning of the depression.
Discussions were between the house and senate leaders.
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midarockjock
climber
USA
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Dec 12, 2009 - 07:24pm PT
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I have until next week to file a petition for introduction
of evidence that was not introduced this week and not allowed
to be introduced. Hopefully it can be resolved with the petition
prior to going back to the appeal court.
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Anastasia
Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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Dec 12, 2009 - 07:30pm PT
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Hey folk,
Please know I don't want him beat up! No way! I just want him kept away from me. I want him kept away from my family and friends. I want him banned from functions and... I want everyone know he isn't honest, cool or a good person.
I want to be safe from him.
I also childishly want him forced to live with the reality of his lies.
AFS
P.S. I am just tired of being nice, descent and forgiving. I am done with getting beat up. Done!
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Dec 12, 2009 - 07:41pm PT
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ok, alright, no more stalking and i sold the dang ledge on evilbay,
so good it will drive a man insane!
hey, did you know what you were getting into, or no clue like a chameleon on crack?
buy him a guitar and your problems will be over.
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Anastasia
Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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Dec 12, 2009 - 08:06pm PT
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LOL...
Spock,
Thanks for the laugh. For some reason you don't scare me.
:)AFS
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 12, 2009 - 09:34pm PT
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I was informed of this post by a friend. This is the only time that I will read this post or respond.
My name is Ryan Mattock . if you have any questions or concerns about my character please contact me, and by the way I am the accused by the poster
First and foremost the thread that was posted about me by my ex girlfriend for the most part is false and defamous
My father has been harrassed by phone this week by the poster and he has asked her to leave him alone and will discuss this no further with her. He will stand up in a court of law if necessary.
I have been accused before by the poster of being a stalker but this is defamous information and completely untrue. In the event that she feels that she is in danger she should talk to the authorities, which is exactly what i have done at this point.
I have never stalked the poster and am not interested in doing so in the past or the future and have never carried out any acts or rage against the poster. I never told the poster to keep my belongings and it's all hear say at this point.
This post has been reported to supertopo but can't legally be removed at this time because the poster has not named me or used profanities
This thread has suggested that the poster needs to be protected from a violent person this post has been handed in to the police department because it has published an incitation of violence. It has also been handed out to several friends in the event that any thing happens to me -so that they can also contact the authorities.
I saw my portaledge at a gym-and asked for it back, no violence was ever threatend, these accusations are an imbarrisment to myself and my family. if need by I will hand in the disputed portaledge to the police.
I did contact the poster in the past to ask for my belongings and was refused, it's in the past and not worth this kind of energy.
I have been advised of legal actions and will carry through.
please contact me if you have concerns
Sincerely
Ryan Mattock
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Anastasia
Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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Dec 12, 2009 - 09:41pm PT
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Yup, that's him. I don't have to give names, do I? Please take legal actions... Truth always comes out in court. I will like that. Yes I did talk to your father. I am sorry for you that it didn't work.
:)AFS
P.S. Oh, his nickname here is Pyro. I am sure you all know him.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
Maui or Vail ; just following the sun.......
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Dec 12, 2009 - 10:06pm PT
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ADVISE:
-Take this off the net.
-Forget the lawyers.
-Come to an agreement.
-Never talk again.
How easy is that...................?
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Dec 12, 2009 - 10:12pm PT
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"imbarrisment"?
I would be more than embarrassed had I written that. I'm going with ashamed.
End of spelling rant. I can't make any promises to the future though!
ps...Dude, if you are worried about a girl you broke up with, got dumped by, whatever, years ago, try to get some perspective on this. Is your life really hung-up on some long ago failure? That was then and this is now, get in the moment and live it up!
Take nothing from the past but knowledge that can help you in the now, and forget about the material things. All those possessions you lost are just opportunities to get some better swag.
Good luck to you both! Be happy with what your lives are, instead of unhappy with what they are not.
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Anastasia
Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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Dec 12, 2009 - 10:33pm PT
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That would be nice but you can see how involving his father instead of the law has backfired. The law seams to be the only answer. I won't be accused of harrassing my lawyer in an act of seeking resolutions. Plus It will be nice to have a record of this. It will show a pattern.
Good Luck Ryan.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 12, 2009 - 10:50pm PT
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Pyro
I've met Ana. She is a nice young lady. If what you say is true, just ignore her. Consider any gear she had of yours gone forever, don't ask for any of it back, don't involve yourself. Stay away.
As far as contacting the authorities... what a sad materialistic weasel. Give that stuff up, its just toys. Not worth screwing with the community for.
and all this talk about a baseball bat and fits of rage? Awesome stuff. You sound legit, a tough guy. Sometimes I feel tough, thats why I train with guys twice my size and get my aggressions out tapping out my training partners. Maybe you should invest in some martial arts training so you don't feel the need to lash out irrationaly, as in this thread. The bigger man walks away.
edit - take your number down, search engines have already latched onto it I'm sure. You can encode it (ate won ate nyne won for etc etc) if you still want people here to see it... not sure why.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 13, 2009 - 12:35am PT
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Am I out of line wondering what one would be doing with a port-a-ledge in a gym?
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enjoimx
Big Wall climber
SLO Cal
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Dec 13, 2009 - 12:45am PT
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This is a domestic dispute and really shouldnt be on the Supertopo forum.
Can anyone say OFF TOPIC!??
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 13, 2009 - 01:07am PT
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It sounds like hanging on to the guys stuff probably didn't help matters...., but then I don't know the whole story. For some folks a portaledge or climbing gear is all they have, and I don't know that advising the guy to walk away and forget his gear would work if the shoe was on your foot or mine. I know if I broke up with a chick, I would expect my gear back, and if I had her stuff, would make sure she got her stuff back as well. Fair is fair.
ok, let the sh#t storm rain down on my head now....
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:00am PT
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I know Ryan from rebolting work in 2007.
Ryan is (recently) married.
I think he would like to put the past behind him;
I bet he probably wishes he had not seen his old portaledge.
It sounds like he is conflicted about refusing to take his gear back when you offered it to him,
but now he wants it back (if you still have it).
It sounds like when you initially offered to give the gear back, he was not ready to accept it.
Since that has changed, it seems like the problem would be resolved
by giving it back if you have it, or see if the person you gave it to will
give it back.
Anastasia, it sounds like your main concern is that his communications with
you seem irrational and/or inappropriate.
Do you have a mutual friend in the LA area who can negotiate between the
two of you, so you don't have to talk directly?
Modern irony: I'm friends with both of you on facebook, but do not know either of you very well.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:07am PT
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So all this drama is over a portaledge?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:27am PT
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That would appear to be the case.
Pretty whacked to bring this to The Taco, IMKSHO...
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 13, 2009 - 12:11pm PT
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Look Ryan, anyone on this site or the police can read back at your posts and clearly see you are lying. So take your sociopathic bullshit someplace else and leave her alone. ENOUGH! STOP WITH THE BULLSH#T EMAILS, THE PHONECALLS, back off and leave her be. I worked in the VA with mental patients for years. Get help dude.
Pretty whacked to bring this to The Taco
Knott if she was/is fearful. Somehow it's ok to post all kinds of inane political stupidity's but when an actual st poster is threatened by another st member she's on her own and we just cut, run and ignore her cry for help?
I'm glad she did, and especially appreciate Fattrads offer to help. Anyone who will stalk another like he obviously is, despite his lying post above saying he isn't. Go back in time and read his old posts, and his sickness keeps cropping up. It's obvious dude has mental issues, despite the lie he puts on just above that this is her fault. It isn't. He's lying.
It appears that Mister E and Skip already got the same treatment followed by an apology from "Pyro" for some near identical type of crazy stalker harassment. Makes you wonder whats wrong with the dude. Hey, just stay the hell away from Anastasia Pyro. She doesn't have sh#t of yours, understand, it was years ago, the computer, if it even exists, is not worth $5 bucks, you didn't say anything then so it's gone and not yours now. Should have said something then, you didn't - so STFU about it now.
Whats Anastasia suppose to do to shake this crazy leech off? He's ended a couple of threads Anastasia or Bachar posted on with his out of context craziness. Here's how it went for E, how would you like this to occur to you Knott? It's total bullsh#t.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1000142&tn=0&mr=0
E said "I get phone calls, e-mails, telling me I am stealing, we get the Valley-Go-Home treatment, as well as interrogation about my qualifications by so-called ASCA representatives when I replace some bad bolts in Malibu. Why weren’t they replaced earlier, Mr. ASCA Representative? And the other bad bolts too?
Sounds familiar? Does to me....then comes the apology from Pyro (must have been the partner of Ben noted in the story):
sorry E and Skip sent you an apology letter.
Guyman was right my heart is in the right place but my english is a second language!
Hope you can forgive me.
Hope you don't hate me.
echo is a great place to climb.
I love good quality routes.
Hope the grid bolting would stop somehow.
Bizarre stuff....as the Taco turns......
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Dec 13, 2009 - 01:31pm PT
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My opinion stands. This isn't the place for this kind of crap. A few phone calls would have sufficed.
In any event, there are surely two sides to this story - as much as we'd like to believe otherwise.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 13, 2009 - 01:45pm PT
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JERRY!! JERRY!! JERRY!! JERRY!!
*couldn't resist.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:03pm PT
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..ain't funny Crimpie (although you are and I love your presence here) I just want to say that this is sick stuff. This kind of thing can escalate into violence quickly, and we should condemn it quickly and totally. Go back and review Pyros posts.....it comes through in places. One moment he's normal and the next he's starting to tweek out.
We should support Ana in her attempt to shake this crazy person off before it turns into a needless tragedy, or he starts stalking you or me next like he obviously did to Mister E for some slight E was not aware of. E brought the issue to Supertopo and you didn't say anything then: whys that? Ok to beat a woman but not a man? Sup with that man? We should all of us condemn this behavior. UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR IS UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR RYAN!!!!! YOU KNOW YOU'RE OUT OF LINE, STOP IT!
Mods: Please do not delete this thread. We should publicly yell and scream our support for Anastasia and continue until this sociopath backs the hell off!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:28pm PT
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I think this is a good thing to Not keep quiet about.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:29pm PT
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Agreed.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:38pm PT
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I don't know either Anastasia or Pryo except from the forum. I generally like both of them from what I have read. I am not going to say whose version of the story is correct. I don't care. What I care about is helping people feel secure.
What I know about these type situations is that people can appear to most to be just regular folks, yet be harassing someone. I have a friend from a long time ago who physically abused his wife. He was a good buddy and I really liked him, and I didn't figure out that what his wife was telling us was true until he broke her arm. Her injuries did not line up with what he said happened as she had a bruise on her arm in the shape of a hand. It was then that I started paying attention to what she said and I pushed him to get help. He eventually did get help for his temper and for his lack of respect for women. This took a serious effort on his part and on the part of his friends. We pushed him hard, yet we wouldn't have until the proof finally came out because around us he was very easy going and fun and so we thought his wife was exaggerating. Plus we thought that we all have tempers and so we could understand him getting mad. But some folks think it is okay to physically abuse a woman, they feel their pride is at stake if a women doesn't do everything they want. They aren't this way around men or even around women who aren't what they term, "theirs". So most people think the woman is exaggerating the abuse.
Then these women go to the friends of the guy for help, and they aren't believed. Then they go to the police and the officers don't believe either, because they meet the guy and to them he appears like a regular guy. And so the abuse continues until someone is hurt very bad and people can't ignore the situation anymore. This is a serious problem in this country and in the world.
And yet I have also seen the other side of a story. It is incredible what you see when you belong to a big church. Ack.. I witnessed a situation where a woman played on peoples sympathy to wreck her husband. He wasn't abusing her and it took a lot of effort to prove this. This was in the early days of video cameras. To prove that he wasn't hurting her and that she was doing it to herself as she had a mental illness, he rigged cameras in his house and caught her on video smashing her arm. What a mess that situation was. It was in the early days of hearing about men abusing women, so everyone took the womans side without really looking into the story. The man was practically crucified until he got that video. Then we realized that the woman had serious mental health issues and we had to push her to get help. Yet the mans reputation was in ruins. We had even pushed him out of teaching a sunday school class that he had been teaching for a number of years.
So I do understand that this could go either way and I don't think that we should jump to conclusions. These can be hard situations. I hope that both will reflect on what they are doing and seek whatever help they need.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
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Dang, I read my post and think.."well what the heck do you do in these type situations". I just don't know. I want to keep either person from being hurt.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:45pm PT
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I think this is a good think to Not keep quiet about.
No one is saying to keep it quiet. Dozens of people could have been contacted directly for emotional support.
The police or DA could have been contacted and asked for advice. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR PSYCHO DRAMA!
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Dec 13, 2009 - 02:47pm PT
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Gonna agree with HK on this one.
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getalifeyoubitch
Social climber
newyorkcity
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Dec 15, 2009 - 01:49am PT
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i think this whole thing is complete bullsh#t. if you are truley afraid of this "stalker" than you should have gone to the POLICE FIRST and not your computer to post a blog about it. sounds like you are searching for attention. leave him alone. Ryan is a wonderful person. This crazy gypsy is off her rocker and needs to get a life.
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luggi
Trad climber
from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car
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Dec 15, 2009 - 11:04am PT
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Anna...still have connections from the ole country....known as "fixers"....I think I might even have relatives connected...during the holidays I will check with a cousin who resides in so cal..they might have to pour some concrete somewhere...pool deck needs to be replaced?> opps......
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 12:25pm PT
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I wasn't going to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole, but the opportunity is too good.
Luggi, you're a staggeringly huge idiot.
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luggi
Trad climber
from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car
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Dec 15, 2009 - 12:35pm PT
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Pate..I ave been called worse from more distinguished people...sigh
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getalifeyoubitch
Social climber
newyorkcity
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Dec 15, 2009 - 02:16pm PT
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i think this should be deleted. how old is everyone 18? you all need to grow up and move on. ryan is once again an amazing personw with a huge heart. dont let this jealous bitch ruin everything for him because hes finally happy with his life now.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Dec 15, 2009 - 02:38pm PT
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It seems getalifebitch, Ryan and his gang are only digging themselves a deeper hole with this public harrasment. Back off boys, drop it now before this gets uglier than it already is. Get some counseling for heaven sakes.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
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Maybe that's why this thread is titled ....
Impossible Lessons
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 15, 2009 - 03:08pm PT
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Hey Ryan, it's going to take the police all of 2 min. to verify that your computers IP address is the same as the new user who only registered to post to this thread called "getalifeyoubitch". Then they'll check your computer and verify that the message originated from your computer. These transparent shenanigans only reinforce her story and show the rest of us that your sociopathy and mental illness is real, and you need to be dealt with by the authorities, and not ignored.
Stop now, walk away and enjoy your life Ryan. It isn't worth whats going to be happening to you soon if you don't leave her alone. Bad things will be coming your way, real real bad things, just walk away and leave her alone. The police will be coming for you soon if you do not walk away. DO IT NOW! Trust me, you won't like the bad things that will be coming your way, real real bad, if you DON'T leave her be.
I'll just save these messages of yours in case the police need them. You don't mind I'm sure.
Author getalifeyoubitch
Date Dec 15, 2009 11:16am PST Forum Topic Impossible Lessons
i think this should be deleted. how old is everyone 18? you all need to grow up and move on. ryan is once again an amazing personw with a huge heart. dont let this jealous bitch ruin everything for him because hes finally happy with his life now....
Author getalifeyoubitch
Dec 14, 2009
10:49pm PST Forum Topic Impossible Lessons
i think this whole thing is complete bullsh#t. if you are truley afraid of this "stalker" than you should have gone to the POLICE FIRST and not your computer to post a blog about it. sounds like you are searching for attention. leave him alone. Ryan is a wonderful person. This crazy gypsy is off her...
Bacher may be dead, but she has plenty of friends as you can see. She's not alone and we won't let you pull this sh#t or hurt her. JUST WALK AWAY, STOP HARASSING HER! LEAVE HER ALONE, WALK AWAY JACKASS. WE ALL KNOW NOW WHO AND WHAT YOU ARE.
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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Dec 15, 2009 - 03:21pm PT
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All i want for X-mass is the end of this thread.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Dec 15, 2009 - 03:45pm PT
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WOW!!!
Couch is right...
It looks as though "someone" did create the "getalifeyoub---" just for this thread....
Dec 15, 2009
11:16am PST Impossible Lessons
i think this should be deleted. how old is everyone 18? you all need to grow up and move on. ryan is once again an amazing personw with a huge heart. dont let this jealous bitch ruin everything for him because hes finally happy with his life now.... getalifeyoubitch
Dec 14, 2009
10:49pm PST Impossible Lessons
i think this whole thing is complete bullsh#t. if you are truley afraid of this "stalker" than you should have gone to the POLICE FIRST and not your computer to post a blog about it. sounds like you are searching for attention. leave him alone. Ryan is a wonderful person. This crazy gypsy is off her... getalifeyoubitch
These are the only 2 posts from "whoever" this charactor is.. Hmmmm...
WHAT A SPAZ!!!!!!
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Dec 15, 2009 - 03:51pm PT
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Couchmaster is the man. He is spot on, this crazy dude needs to right himself and this lady needs support from her community. Don't chalk it up as relationship drama when someone is getting abused, that's the pansy way out and truly weak. Just wanted to throw my support in the right corner of the ring.
-Tim
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HowSmallIsMySalami?
Gym climber
NY, NY
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Dec 15, 2009 - 04:01pm PT
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I'm a big man, and when I make up a new ST user to slam some bitch you can bet it's because I'm just too damn considerate, gentle, and awesome a person to bother letting you know who I am. Oh, and the fact she out climbs me as well has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
[edit: Tim, inspired by trying to read your user name, but not at all aimed at you.]
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guyman
Trad climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Dec 15, 2009 - 04:03pm PT
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Wow I was going to stay out but no way....
Couch... you are off base, really, you don't know who this new poster is...it's not what you surmise. really- think about that just for a second.
So many of you "gentle folk" think you know what "is up" and are ready to go harm someone you don't know.... for no reason.
Sort of a mob mentality, our clan, my tribe, I find it disgusting....
you would hang an innocent if you could.
cee-ya
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getalifeyoubitch
Social climber
newyorkcity
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Dec 15, 2009 - 04:40pm PT
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FYI THIS IS NOT RYAN, but we can line it up.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 15, 2009 - 04:44pm PT
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FYI THIS IS NOT RYAN, but we can line it up.
Oh, so you're just another anonymous dickless wonder - good to know.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Dec 15, 2009 - 04:57pm PT
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"Then last year I started hearing that he was complaining that I had stolen those very same items from him. This was new... I wonder why it took him five years to think I stole something instead of when we broke up...
Anyway a year ago I received a strange email demanding them back. I ignored it since it was five years ago since the break up... The whole thing didn't sink into my reality. Especially since nothing was stolen, etc. It was a long time ago, etc. etc.
Then I started hearing that he was telling everyone he could how I stole things from him, etc. I didn't like it but... I ignored that too it since it is his trip and his lies are not my problem.
Then a few days ago I heard some disturbing news... I heard that he saw his old portal ledge and freaked out on the friend I had given it to.. He told the guy that he had stolen items, demanded it back, involved his now girlfriend and... Threatened violence... He even got my poor friend's bosses involved, placing my friend's job on the line, etc.
Now this was a new level of aggression that I could not ignore. I see him occasionally at the crags and this scares me. He is obviously obsessed and is now believing in his own lies...
Adding the numbers I am wondering when he will be going after me since he is just looking for a reason "real or not" to take aggressions out on me."
One of the advantages of being a faceless anonymous Internet "coward" is that I can call them like I see them. I can call spade a spade and speak up when I see that the Emperor has no clothes.
I am not a new atavar created for posting to this thread. I have been around for a while and I have a history of speaking my mind.
Now, let me see if I have this straight.
You had a bad break up with him 6 years ago. You dislike him and he dislikes you.
He says that you took his stuff. You say he didn't. He says bad things about you and you say bad things about him.
He sent you and email asking for his stuff back. He also asked for stuff back to someone you'd given it too.
You see this as a "new level of aggression that I could not ignore" and " wondering when he will be going after me"
So he's NOT "going after you?" But you are just wondering if he might be "going after you?" Has he been sending you repeated emails and making repeated phone calls? Has he been following you? Has he made any threats to you?
You started this thread asking, "Does restraining orders, jail time and penalties work or do they simply aggravate the behavior? How can a person reason with an irrational person???"
Then you say,
"Yes I do want the climbing community to protect me."
"I will release his name to you guys and let things happen. The only reason I am not doing that right now is... I am giving him one last chance to clean up before I return all these nice favors he has been giving me."
So did you really want to get a restraining order like you said, or are you just trying to whip up your friends and form them into a what others have called a "lynch mob" to go after your ex?
Unless you have much more then what you are describing, the police will laugh at you if you try to get a restraining order, and if anyone is in need of a restraining order it is your ex.
I'm sure you don't like hearing this, and neither do your friends, but someone has to say it.
But if I'm wrong and you really have a legitimate reason to get a restraining order, then you shouldn't be on the Taco reading this, you should be on your way down to the station to speak to the cops.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:00pm PT
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And for Ryan, if you wanted your stuff back, you should have acted back then. It's too late now. Forget about it and move on. If she took it, you're not the first to lose gear to an ex. And if you didn't want it back and then changed your mind, that wouldn't be the first time that has happened either. Either way, it's too late now.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:02pm PT
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Skip: "Stop this thread and do not allow people to threaten others just because you think you are making a point."
Skip we used to fight and trade insults in the political threads, but I came around to respect you. You form independent judgments and speak your mind. I completely agree with you on this.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:09pm PT
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as DMT said, folks can post whatever sh&& they want. that does not lessen the fact that this is a pathetic thread.
do people have no shame or pride in what they air out here??? just sayin...GC is spot on.
FWIW, i don't know any of these characters but sometimes ST goes down like a jr. high school clique. this is one of those.
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:13pm PT
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Although I'm sure skip will have a comment for me, I live by the code:
BROS BEFORE HO'S.
Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. It's between the BRO, the HO and if necessary, the PO-PO.
And remember- there are ALWAYS two sides to a story.
That being said- carry on with the cowardly and empty internet threats to physically hurt someone. Most of you guys look like you'd brandish your walkers and canes pretty menacingly.
edit: skip, i just read your above post and i completely agree with you, so don't be too hard on me.
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Gene
Social climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:15pm PT
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Nothing good will come from continuing this thread.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:19pm PT
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Make no mistake. I can brandish a walker or be as junior high as the next guy, and I have proven it here repeatedly. But when your online antics threaten to cross over into "real world" harm, it's time to put on the brakes.
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:24pm PT
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Quite possibly the dumbest thread ever on Supertopo.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:24pm PT
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:26pm PT
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Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser. Anyone who gets involved in anyone else's domestic squabbles is a complete loser.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:42pm PT
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Evertime I think it would be nice to get the folks from Supertopo together for a BBQ I read something like this and I come to my senses.
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 05:49pm PT
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No BBQ, how'sa 'bout a "Super-Gay Super-Topo Debate" event.
I'd kill to be in the audience for that one.
...................For debate #3 RokJox will be debating Anastasia and LEB on the following issue- "Should wolves get restraining orders against would-be stalker/assassins, and if so should it be part of the public option?"
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tradchick
Trad climber
White Mountains
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:19pm PT
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Hmmmm, if some guy was stalking me, I wouldn't be wasting my time posting about it here.
I'd file a complaint and have my f'en ice tools next to my bed just in case.
There are 2 sides to every story and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I think someone digs attention....just sayin.
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enjoimx
Big Wall climber
SLO Cal
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:20pm PT
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ANA Asked.... Does restraining orders, jail time and penalties work or do they simply aggravate the behavior? How can a person reason with an irrational person???
Your right, it sounds like your ex IS having a tough time reasoning with you.
Delete this STUPID INSANE THREAD!!!
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:21pm PT
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This lame ass thread is about 2 posts away from getting a Sexy Bondage Nun.
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Gene
Social climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:22pm PT
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^^^ Finally, a good reason to continue ^^^
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Roxy
Trad climber
CA Central Coast
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:23pm PT
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a lil bump for the Nun
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:24pm PT
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Okay Pate, here's the second of those two posts. So bring on the nuns...
Edit: That other lame-ass thread about Girls go Extreme could probably use a nun or two as well.
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:26pm PT
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trust me, it gets dirty.
edit: just look at the web site it came from................
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:31pm PT
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dude- inviting LEB is like asking a vampire to enter your house. you'll be sorry!
...........................and as for the sausage-fest thing, well, if you read all the posts above you can see that are quite a few doods here who pretty much act like bitches.
carry on with the nun onslaught. or mermaids.......................
edit: Now that I think about it- this thread probably belongs over there on www.Gynomania.com
edit 2: skip, you deleted your post acknowledging my impressive comedic talents! Should I be hurt?
also, the sausage-fest post was edited so now I look like I'm talking to myself.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:31pm PT
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DUDE pate. No joke, my desktop background is the exact same image you have in your avatar. we should be friends.
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:32pm PT
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that's not an Avatar.......... Believe it or not- It's just me!
edit: "Is this still PG?" .......in PG land do nuns sniff the crotch of their undies?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:37pm PT
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That men treat women differently than they treat other men?
yeah, i think thats where the nun comes in...
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enjoimx
Big Wall climber
SLO Cal
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:38pm PT
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:38pm PT
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I would treat dingus the same way I would treat a young Talia Shire.
The exact same.
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:42pm PT
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i'd let her.
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Dec 15, 2009 - 06:55pm PT
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Dec 15, 2009 - 08:16pm PT
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WOW!!!!
Looks like expressing opinions can be detrimental to ones email account!!!!
WTF????
GETALIFEYOUB***H....
I got this email from you shortly after my expression above... Is this your normal tactic????
Wait, wait, everybody... don't take my word for it... I present the email I got
Flag this messageGreetings from SuperTopo Member: getalifeyoubitchTuesday, December 15, 2009 1:35 PM
From: "getalifeyoubitch" <skgmotherstat@yahoo.com>Add sender to ContactsTo: powersmine@yahoo.comGreetings from a Fellow SuperTopo Member!
This message has been sent from a fellow registered SuperTopo climbing member to you.
The message is:
i made this name to defend ryan. i am NOT RYAN, get over it.
Sent by: getalifeyoubitch <skgmotherstat@yahoo.com>
So you made the name up to defend Ryan, and in the process you come off like a kook to anyone else who expresses a different viewpoint or opinion....
I say, let Ryan handle his own affairs, putz.
Get over that!
BTW - Anna - How does one start the process for a TRO......? Just in case.......
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midarockjock
climber
USA
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Dec 15, 2009 - 08:45pm PT
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"did contact the poster in the past to ask for my belongings and was refused, it's in the past and not worth this kind of energy."
It should be a simple CC3336 violation with a 3 year statute of limitations
and a separate cause of action for civil detriment along with possibly civil
fraud and or a false claims filing.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 15, 2009 - 09:20pm PT
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ST has fantastic BBQ's every year, you should make it out to Facelift. Hang out with me and Crowley and Bluey and Ana and Largo.
Yep, there have only been one or two fist fights each time and the guns have only come out once in anger.
Okay Okay.. just kidding. They have actually come out 3 times. well, okay 4.. nope.. now that I think about it they have come out 5 times. but only one shooting. And that was only a minor flesh wound. haha..
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You know, all joking aside. Women being threatened by men is no joke. I have seen the affects of it, and it ain't pretty. The nicest guys can be involved and sometimes it just takes a word from a friend to chill them, and sometimes it takes more.
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 10:24pm PT
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Is this PG? There's no vulva. it's just suggestive. kinda...................
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Bill Sherman
Mountain climber
Thousand Oaks, CA
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Dec 15, 2009 - 11:01pm PT
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For those of you that are interested, as Anastasia's husband, I have been supporting her and will protect her against any threat I feel warrants my attention. As I have now become aware of this insane thread, I am making sure it gets deleted tonight.
For those of you that have supported Ana - Thank you.
For those of you that have thought this a joke or mocked her - you're not worth my time.
Bill
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 11:17pm PT
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Did anyone else just hear a whip go SNAP?
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slipstream
Trad climber
Fort Meade
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Dec 15, 2009 - 11:28pm PT
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good idea, Bill.
this thread could be expensive.
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 11:40pm PT
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yeah- good call Skip. Bill, if this thread has to go so bad, the drama queen who started the shitball rolling downhill has the power. No need to go whining to any moderator, unless attention is all you're looking for........................ (throat clearing sound).
But skip- you still pulled your post. What happened to "That's the Pate I've come to know and love"??????????????
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Pate88
Trad climber
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Dec 16, 2009 - 12:10am PT
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dude- don't make me go for the jugular again.................................
besides, this is Pate88, new and improved.
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