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LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 10:40pm PT
Yes, Jay, but an independent but definition has a potential to vote either way. They are not necessarily committed to one or another ideology. If you are committed to one philosophy and have a very high propensity to vote in that direction then I would submit that you are not an independent.

In your particular case, you are absolutely NOT an independent. You use terms like Repuglican or Raygun and any number of other terms which would suggest that you are not likely to ever vote in that direction. I do not believe you could be considered an independent by any common usage of the terminology.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:48pm PT
Crucking infedible. Whouda thunk?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:55pm PT
You've really, never, heard that?


Going North @ 7 mph
apogee

climber
Nov 29, 2009 - 11:02pm PT
"The poll is very close to what I think the makeup of taco is."

As ridiculously simplistic as the questions were in this poll, and as pathetically small the cross-section of participants, I'd still say it doesn't surprise me in the least. As a matter of fact, if the poll was conducted more comprehensively, I'd still expect that the Rep/Dem divisions would look something similar.

Which completely debunks your (Lois's, and many other Repugs) long-standing assertion that ST is dominated by a bunch of long-haired socialist nazi liberals.

Now that we've settled this once and for all, any chance that you and the rest of the ST Repugs drop all the BS about how you are the lone Repug in a sea of libs?
JOEY.F

Social climber
sebastopol
Nov 29, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
Who's driving?

apogee

climber
Nov 29, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
"Pretty much, then, it is the independents who are probably going to determine the outcome of the next election."

Duh. Duh. Duuuuhhhhh.

No fecking DUUUUUHHHHHH!!!!!

The only people that don't realize this are the ones who sit on one extreme or the other, convinced that all of the world sees things exactly the same way they do. They are the ones who are awe and dumbstruck when elections or policy decisions do not fall squarely within their tiny, narrow window on the world...and tend to rally their similarly-narrow minded cohorts for the next tea party.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 11:23pm PT
These are a whole lot of assumptions you are making there, apogee. Most people are well aware of the dynamics regarding which you speak. Certainly anyone with an interest in politics is aware of them. Surely, you did not think such was a new concept to me or anyone else nor that I "realized" it based on a 10 question convenience sample.

The dynamics you cite are the reason why the experts can narrow elections down to a few critical states where the outcome is less certain and which could throw the election one way or another.

The problem with some people who call themselves "independents" is that commonly they are really not so. Jay's commentary is a perfect example. It will be a cold day in hell before he casts a vote in the GOP, at least on a national level. Californians sometimes vote for a GOP governor just as do the people from MA but the state typically does not go that way in a national election. His voting pattern in a Presidential election is rather predictable.

The term "independent" appeals to a whole lot of people but, in reality, certain persons who use the term are not esp independent at all. There voting patterns are very consistent and predictable. We probably saw that in the survey we are discussing.

It has been my experience with you, Apogee, that you assume far too much esp as it pertains to me.

PS I am off to bed. I know you monitor these things so I am just advising you. Nite nite.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 30, 2009 - 12:08am PT

Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to organize this.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 12:30am PT
Daphne's driving, Joe, but at this rate she could be posting as well. Though we, as responsble Californians all know that that would wrong! Except for Maria!

Lois, if you pay any attention at all to my criteria, what else could I be but an indendent, by definition?
I'm hardly a Marxist! -though someone I recently mentioned to you (no names) is! Point being, there are a lot of people way left of me. Then, way, way over on the right, Practically Indistinguishible, are the demo/ republic parties... you take a Very, narrow view and imagine you are seeing the spectrum.
When you wake up, look up the concept, 'independent.' It's a term you are usng speciously and innaccurately one that you do not uderstand. It's not centerest, or right, or left. in fact has nothing at all, to do with predicting who one might vote for....

82 mph, Woot!
Jim E

climber
away
Nov 30, 2009 - 04:43am PT
GIGO
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:24am PT

LOL!!!...




"Yes- 99% (8741.5)

No- 1% (3)"
...
Matt

Trad climber
primordial soup
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:24am PT
major flaw in this so-called "poll" would be that lowest ran it, and MANY would have ignored it due to that fact alone (myself included), so don't go off counting your chickens...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:30am PT
Yeah Matt, but it's like a hornet's nest and we all have pokey sticks, yourself included...
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:01am PT
I consider myself a social liberal, fiscally more conservative leaning, and foreign policy?, I don't think either side has had much of a clue in the last 50 yrs. Some of my friends call me a hypocrite, I just call it eclectic, hence........Independent.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 11:33am PT
My guess is that a lot of people on this particular forum who identify themselves as "independents" are likely more left-leaning than would be the case for the general population when taken as a whole.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:41am PT
LEB/DMT: I don't know that college education is related to voting propensities.

I think it is dentally related. The fewer teeth you have, the more likely you are to vote Republican.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 12:18pm PT
Gary,

You wish (it were so).

Actually, joking aside, senior citizens are more apt to vote against Obama and his initiatives due to potential cuts to medicare.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 12:34pm PT
Here is another question I found interesting

5. Would you change your vote in 2008 if you could?

Yes 26.6% (21)
No 73.4% (58)
6 people skipped the question

Over 1/4 of the people would change their vote in retrospect. Of course, we don't know how those people voted in 2008 but it is food for thought, at very least.

I would expect that number to be almost entirely Obama voters. There is not much reason for a McCain voter to change their mind.

The electoral college system makes it hard to extrapolate the actual result, but the popular vote was Obama's by 5.2%. A shift of 26.6% seems to be more than enough to change the results.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 01:13pm PT
I'm completely against the unethical treatment of Elephants in India.



oops-wrong thread?
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:10pm PT
I'm fuking LOSING it over here on THAT one...


LOfukingL!!!...





EDIT:

refering of course to Pate's POST...



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