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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
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LEB/DMT: I don't know that college education is related to voting propensities.
I think it is dentally related. The fewer teeth you have, the more likely you are to vote Republican.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 30, 2009 - 03:34pm PT
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Here is another question I found interesting
5. Would you change your vote in 2008 if you could?
Yes 26.6% (21)
No 73.4% (58)
6 people skipped the question
Over 1/4 of the people would change their vote in retrospect. Of course, we don't know how those people voted in 2008 but it is food for thought, at very least.
I would expect that number to be almost entirely Obama voters. There is not much reason for a McCain voter to change their mind.
The electoral college system makes it hard to extrapolate the actual result, but the popular vote was Obama's by 5.2%. A shift of 26.6% seems to be more than enough to change the results.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Nov 30, 2009 - 05:28pm PT
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maybe a better quiz would be:
are you
a) liberal
b) conservative
do you think LEB sucks?
a) yes
b no
you just might learn a little bit more about how your survey sucks ass with two simple questions.
and crimpie nailed it.
maybe another survey:
did you take LEBS survey and give incorrect answers (ie voted for bush when in reality you didn't)
a) yes
b) no
are you:
a) liberal
b) conservative
your survey and the results are meaningless (though you are more than welcome to waste braincells thinking about how it isn't).
carry on....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 30, 2009 - 06:42pm PT
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The Sex Party should be fairly sure of the sexagenarian vote, anyway.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 30, 2009 - 07:07pm PT
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"Still, all and all, it is an interesting question."--LB
No, really it's not--only to you, which explains the responses, toots.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Nov 30, 2009 - 07:45pm PT
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"I would tend to agree with you. I was surprised that there were as many declared GOP/conservatives as there were. I would have thought there would be much less."
Nothing but a guess since there's no way of knowing what percent of either took the poll or if they were honest or if they took it twice under different accounts.....useless
"Would you change your vote in 2009 if you could?"
09??? Democrat changing to vote Republican or vice versa.....useless
"I don't want to be a party-pooper or harsh anyone's mellow, but this poll does not necessarily tell us *anything* about the people of ST. The findings are not based on a probability sample and therefore is not necessarily generalizeable to the population of ST. It only tells us about those folks who were inclined to and who chose to participate in the survey. And those folks may or may not represent accurately ST participants.
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Spot on.
"It is not based on random selection of the participants."
Oh no, not selected, but random people taking it none the less.
"I would say the likelihood is that the women did not multiple submit"
Consistent with your many unfounded assumptions.
"My guess is that once you correct for absolute numbers..."
Absolute is absolute, there is no correcting it, except with assumption, which this poll is nothing but.
"then I would submit that you are not an independent."
And I would submit that you push the triangle on a weegee board to point to what you want.
"These are a whole lot of assumptions you are making there, apogee"
Says the pot to the kettle.
"Actually, joking aside, senior citizens are more apt to vote against Obama and his initiatives due to potential cuts to medicare."
That would be like telling people that Obama's going to cut funding for the B1B's without telling them that they're not going to be using them anymore. The funding for Medicare thats being cut would be covered in the health plan, but maybe we should pay twice for it.....drrrrrrrrrrr.
As an aside, the AARP is backing Obama.
"I consider myself a social liberal, fiscally more conservative leaning, and foreign policy?, I don't think either side has had much of a clue in the last 50 yrs. Some of my friends call me a hypocrite, I just call it eclectic, hence........Independent."
How dare you, you will be what LEB pidgeon holes as and that's that.
"life sucks then you die. Suck it up, Jack"
Your words LEB, lets see how well you walk the talk.
"I was thinking the same thing myself but I don't know if the logic is valid"
Hasn't stopped you yet.
And the winner is
ding ding ding
"maybe a better quiz would be:
are you
a) liberal
b) conservative
do you think LEB sucks?
a) yes
b no
you just might learn a little bit more about how your survey sucks ass with two simple questions.
and crimpie nailed it.
maybe another survey:
did you take LEBS survey and give incorrect answers (ie voted for bush when in reality you didn't)
a) yes
b) no
are you:
a) liberal
b) conservative
your survey and the results are meaningless (though you are more than welcome to waste braincells thinking about how it isn't).
carry on.... "
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 07:56pm PT
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Give it up, Sis, you're never gonna spin this in your own image.
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Forest
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 30, 2009 - 08:28pm PT
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I am aware of that - it is, at best, a convenience survey. It is not based on random selection of the participants. It is still interesting, none-the-less. It likely reflects the data by the persons who most actively participate and, in particular, who participated when the survey was active. Still it is interesting to look at the data.
Point #1: No, it's not at all. a self-selected double-digit sample from a site with thousands of people is completely meaningless. I'd doubt if most people even noticed the survey anyway, but even if they had, self-selected polls like this have been discredited for a very long time. really, there's nothing to see here. even if you did find the results "surprisingly" in the direction you liked.
Crimpie, one thing I believe we can conclude is that the women lurk in significant numbers.
Point #2: See point #1 above.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 30, 2009 - 08:34pm PT
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Apparently, at least one medical person here is oblivious to statistical analysis and marketing/polling theory...
Oh well, nothing new--still, it won't stop the nonsense flowing endlessly from it's arse.
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okay,whatever
Trad climber
Charlottesville, VA
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:01pm PT
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With all due respect to everyone's viewpoints, this seems to be, say, 95% noise and 5% data, based on a statistically insignificant and biased sample (those on this forum who would bother to weigh in at all). Not a bad thing to find out what people think, but this effort is not meaningful, except to stir up flames, IMHO....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:03pm PT
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5%? is ANY of this data?
Moj, we ain't in this for the science!
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Jim E
climber
away
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:33pm PT
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:51pm PT
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Lol... Too funny... I think Jay has made a pretty good, and valid (IMO) point when he noted: ...You''d hink with the high percent of college grads (I think) there are here it would skew farther left."
Yeah, you'd think..
But then again.. those of us who are above IT ALL....
We don't even participate in a political pole posted to a climbing related site....
bwahhhaaaaa
I like how Jay suggests, (honestly, this may be my own personal reading of his words) that conservatives may be lacking in the education arena...
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Jim E
climber
away
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:52pm PT
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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Nov 30, 2009 - 10:10pm PT
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folks, I do not think you will get anywhere
by engaging in a flame war with LEB.
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