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Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 01:30pm PT
Yeah Matt, but it's like a hornet's nest and we all have pokey sticks, yourself included...
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:01pm PT
I consider myself a social liberal, fiscally more conservative leaning, and foreign policy?, I don't think either side has had much of a clue in the last 50 yrs. Some of my friends call me a hypocrite, I just call it eclectic, hence........Independent.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
LEB/DMT: I don't know that college education is related to voting propensities.

I think it is dentally related. The fewer teeth you have, the more likely you are to vote Republican.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 03:34pm PT
Here is another question I found interesting

5. Would you change your vote in 2008 if you could?

Yes 26.6% (21)
No 73.4% (58)
6 people skipped the question

Over 1/4 of the people would change their vote in retrospect. Of course, we don't know how those people voted in 2008 but it is food for thought, at very least.

I would expect that number to be almost entirely Obama voters. There is not much reason for a McCain voter to change their mind.

The electoral college system makes it hard to extrapolate the actual result, but the popular vote was Obama's by 5.2%. A shift of 26.6% seems to be more than enough to change the results.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 04:13pm PT
I'm completely against the unethical treatment of Elephants in India.



oops-wrong thread?
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 05:10pm PT
I'm fuking LOSING it over here on THAT one...


LOfukingL!!!...





EDIT:

refering of course to Pate's POST...



nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Nov 30, 2009 - 05:28pm PT
maybe a better quiz would be:


are you
a) liberal
b) conservative

do you think LEB sucks?
a) yes
b no


you just might learn a little bit more about how your survey sucks ass with two simple questions.





and crimpie nailed it.







maybe another survey:


did you take LEBS survey and give incorrect answers (ie voted for bush when in reality you didn't)
a) yes
b) no

are you:
a) liberal
b) conservative







your survey and the results are meaningless (though you are more than welcome to waste braincells thinking about how it isn't).


carry on....
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 05:38pm PT


"isn't this the "I've got a bad barber thread"???"...





uh???...











































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Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 05:40pm PT
After 4 days on the wall w/o a poo-tube I just had to let one fly.



oh- I though this was the how to build a poo-tube thread.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 05:43pm PT
I use these guys after a long trip to Josh.
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 05:44pm PT
THIS one Seems to FIT...




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EDIT:

"it would definitively answer the question of which group of voters were inclined to change their minds."...

I would GUESS that it would be the MORE open minded ones...

REGARDLESS of being a Rubarb or Dum-o-brat...
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:28pm PT
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Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:29pm PT
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Missing photo ID#136599
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:30pm PT
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Missing photo ID#136600
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:32pm PT
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Missing photo ID#136601
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:42pm PT
The Sex Party should be fairly sure of the sexagenarian vote, anyway.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:07pm PT
"Still, all and all, it is an interesting question."--LB


No, really it's not--only to you, which explains the responses, toots.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:45pm PT
"I would tend to agree with you. I was surprised that there were as many declared GOP/conservatives as there were. I would have thought there would be much less."

Nothing but a guess since there's no way of knowing what percent of either took the poll or if they were honest or if they took it twice under different accounts.....useless



"Would you change your vote in 2009 if you could?"

09??? Democrat changing to vote Republican or vice versa.....useless



"I don't want to be a party-pooper or harsh anyone's mellow, but this poll does not necessarily tell us *anything* about the people of ST. The findings are not based on a probability sample and therefore is not necessarily generalizeable to the population of ST. It only tells us about those folks who were inclined to and who chose to participate in the survey. And those folks may or may not represent accurately ST participants.
"

Spot on.



"It is not based on random selection of the participants."

Oh no, not selected, but random people taking it none the less.



"I would say the likelihood is that the women did not multiple submit"

Consistent with your many unfounded assumptions.



"My guess is that once you correct for absolute numbers..."

Absolute is absolute, there is no correcting it, except with assumption, which this poll is nothing but.



"then I would submit that you are not an independent."

And I would submit that you push the triangle on a weegee board to point to what you want.



"These are a whole lot of assumptions you are making there, apogee"

Says the pot to the kettle.



"Actually, joking aside, senior citizens are more apt to vote against Obama and his initiatives due to potential cuts to medicare."

That would be like telling people that Obama's going to cut funding for the B1B's without telling them that they're not going to be using them anymore. The funding for Medicare thats being cut would be covered in the health plan, but maybe we should pay twice for it.....drrrrrrrrrrr.
As an aside, the AARP is backing Obama.



"I consider myself a social liberal, fiscally more conservative leaning, and foreign policy?, I don't think either side has had much of a clue in the last 50 yrs. Some of my friends call me a hypocrite, I just call it eclectic, hence........Independent."

How dare you, you will be what LEB pidgeon holes as and that's that.



"life sucks then you die. Suck it up, Jack"

Your words LEB, lets see how well you walk the talk.



"I was thinking the same thing myself but I don't know if the logic is valid"

Hasn't stopped you yet.





And the winner is
ding ding ding

"maybe a better quiz would be:


are you
a) liberal
b) conservative

do you think LEB sucks?
a) yes
b no


you just might learn a little bit more about how your survey sucks ass with two simple questions.





and crimpie nailed it.







maybe another survey:


did you take LEBS survey and give incorrect answers (ie voted for bush when in reality you didn't)
a) yes
b) no

are you:
a) liberal
b) conservative







your survey and the results are meaningless (though you are more than welcome to waste braincells thinking about how it isn't).


carry on.... "










Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:56pm PT
Give it up, Sis, you're never gonna spin this in your own image.
Forest

Trad climber
Denver, CO
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:28pm PT
I am aware of that - it is, at best, a convenience survey. It is not based on random selection of the participants. It is still interesting, none-the-less. It likely reflects the data by the persons who most actively participate and, in particular, who participated when the survey was active. Still it is interesting to look at the data.


Point #1: No, it's not at all. a self-selected double-digit sample from a site with thousands of people is completely meaningless. I'd doubt if most people even noticed the survey anyway, but even if they had, self-selected polls like this have been discredited for a very long time. really, there's nothing to see here. even if you did find the results "surprisingly" in the direction you liked.

Crimpie, one thing I believe we can conclude is that the women lurk in significant numbers.

Point #2: See point #1 above.
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