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LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 29, 2009 - 09:01pm PT
OK here are the results of the survey

There were a total of 85 respondents who self-reported

I formatted it better than this but the copy and paste did not pick up on my formatting


1. How do you anticipate you will vote in the next election

Republican/Conservative 25.3% (21)
Democrat/Liberal 31.3% (26)
Independent 30.1% (25)
Unsure or will not vote 13.3% (11)
2 persons skipped the question

2. Who did you vote for in 2009?

McCain 36.3% (29)
Obama 63.8% (51)
5 people skipped the question


3. Who did you vote for in 2004?

Bush 47.4% (36)
Kerry 52.6% (40)
9 people skipped the question


4. Who did you vote for in 2000?

Bush 50% (38)
Gore 49.3% (37)
10 people skipped the question


5. Would you change your vote in 2009 if you could?

Yes 26.6% (21)
No 73.4% (58)
6 people skipped the question


6. Would you change your vote in 2004 if you could?

Yes 30.8% (24)
No 69.2% (54)
7 people skipped the question


7. Would you change your vote in 2000 if you could?

Yes 32.5% (25)
No 67.5% (52)
8 people skipped the question


8. Which of the following best describes your party affiliation

Republican/Conservative 27.8% (22)
Democrat/Liberal 29.1% (23)
Independent 43.0% (34)

6 people skipped the question


9. What is your age group

Over 65 8.6% (7)
50-64 39.5% (32)
30-49 27.2% (20)
18-29% 24.7% (20)

4 people skipped the question


10. What is your gender?

Male 72.8% (59)
Female 27.2% (22)

4 people skipped the question.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Nov 29, 2009 - 09:13pm PT
Well now if we could get 8 different people to analyze this useless poll we could get 8 different useless opinions as to what it means.
Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Nov 29, 2009 - 09:13pm PT
11. Is LEB as dense as a mule?

Yes- 99% (8741.5)

No- 1% (3)
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Nov 29, 2009 - 09:15pm PT
Lois,

The poll is very close to what I think the makeup of taco is.

Excellent way to point it out.


Skip
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 09:23pm PT
skipt,

I would tend to agree with you. I was surprised that there were as many declared GOP/conservatives as there were. I would have thought there would be much less.

It is also interesting to note that although the women do not tend to talk as much as the men (myself being somewhat of an exception) they are here on the forum in significant numbers.

The age grouping is what I suspected but here-to-fore could not say for certain.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Nov 29, 2009 - 09:23pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjwVwASlVn4
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 29, 2009 - 09:30pm PT
I'll give my analysis free of charge.

It's scary how conservative a forum those one is!

You''d hink with the high percent of college grads (I think) there are here it would skew farther left.

From highway 5, already in progress.!
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 09:34pm PT
Jay,

You know it is interesting that the 40% considered themselves to be "independent" which I gather means they could go either way in any given election. The rest were pretty much evenly spit on the side of the left or the right.

8. Which of the following best describes your party affiliation

Republican/Conservative 27.8% (22)
Democrat/Liberal 29.1% (23)
Independent 43.0% (34)


Pretty much, then, it is the independents who are probably going to determine the outcome of the next election.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 09:39pm PT
Here is another question I found interesting

5. Would you change your vote in 2009 if you could?

Yes 26.6% (21)
No 73.4% (58)
6 people skipped the question

Over 1/4 of the people would change their vote in retrospect. Of course, we don't know how those people voted in 2009 but it is food for thought, at very least.
ryanb

climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 29, 2009 - 09:50pm PT
What do you mean we don't know? You've got the data, tell us.

While you are at it tell us how many people voted for bush II and would change.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 09:58pm PT
ryanb,

You cannot do a cross tab of the two questions - which is what you are asking for - with the free membership. That is the type of membership I signed up for. I would have to upgrade to the paid membership to provide the cross-tabulation you are requesting and it is just a tad expensive for something we are going to use just once. If I were going to do other surveys - say for my online courses, I would do so but the platform I use for teaching provides us with survey tools.


Ryan, if there were a genuine interest in this sort of thing, we could create a survey which would answer that question - without doing a cross tabulation - but we would have to structure the survey differently. If enough people want to find out that information, we could certainly do so and yes, it would be interesting.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:09pm PT
I don't want to be a party-pooper or harsh anyone's mellow, but this poll does not necessarily tell us *anything* about the people of ST. The findings are not based on a probability sample and therefore is not necessarily generalizeable to the population of ST. It only tells us about those folks who were inclined to and who chose to participate in the survey. And those folks may or may not represent accurately ST participants.

That's all. But seriously, carry on and have fun with it.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 10:12pm PT
Hi Crimp

I am aware of that - it is, at best, a convenience survey. It is not based on random selection of the participants. It is still interesting, none-the-less. It likely reflects the data by the persons who most actively participate and, in particular, who participated when the survey was active. Still it is interesting to look at the data.

Crimpie, one thing I believe we can conclude is that the women lurk in significant numbers.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:14pm PT
5. Would you change your vote in 2009 if you could?

Yes 26.6% (21)
No 73.4% (58)
6 people skipped the question

Over 1/4 of the people would change their vote in retrospect. Of course, we don't know how those people voted in 2009 but it is food for thought, at very least.

Apart from local and a few state elections, no one in the US voted in 2009. There were very few elections for congress or the senate, and of course none for president.

I get it, it was a trick question, to see if anyone was paying attention.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 10:16pm PT
It was a typo, MH, but given the responses, probably the intent was clear. Good pick-up on your part. No one else caught that.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:20pm PT
Again - I don't want to imply it is not interesting or fun or anything like that.

And I also will say that we cannot conclude that women lurk in significant numbers at all. It may be that women were more inclined than men to participate and this is why the numbers looks like that. Or it could be that one woman participated a bunch of times and that is why the results look like that. Or it could be that by virtue of luck it perfectly represents the gender make-up of ST. Because it is a sample that folks self-select into, be can't really conclude anything. But one can have fun with it nonetheless.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 10:25pm PT
One can not definitively conclude, HOWEVER, while I agree with you in theory, I would say the likelihood is that the women did not multiple submit. Even given a hypothesis that the women were more likely to submit than the men, we are still seeing greater absolute numbers (and reflected percentages) then we typically see from an actual posting perspective.

We have noted this trend once before on a particular thread which garnered a great deal of postings - I believe it was the picture thread. People were surprised by the numbers of women that actually frequent the forum.

While I would agree that we cannot definitively so conclude, I would say the evidence is strong that the women have a higher propensity to lurk then the men. The postings by the women may well (and likely does) under-represent their actual numbers on the forum.
JOEY.F

Social climber
sebastopol
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:31pm PT
i am not a college grad
i have been a dem since Kennedy was murdered
i was 9 yrs old
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:35pm PT
Wrong again. Independent does not mean equadistant from either party. It means not aligning with either one. In my own case it means that Democratic party slipped way down to the right.

And yeah of course it's just an amusement, NTTAWWT!

180 miles to go, but traffic is moving
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 10:36pm PT
I don't know that college education is related to voting propensities. Is anyone aware of a study or other data which addresses this issue. My guess is that once you correct for absolute numbers, it is likely not a significant factor in voting patterns or at least not a predicable factor.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 10:40pm PT
Yes, Jay, but an independent but definition has a potential to vote either way. They are not necessarily committed to one or another ideology. If you are committed to one philosophy and have a very high propensity to vote in that direction then I would submit that you are not an independent.

In your particular case, you are absolutely NOT an independent. You use terms like Repuglican or Raygun and any number of other terms which would suggest that you are not likely to ever vote in that direction. I do not believe you could be considered an independent by any common usage of the terminology.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:48pm PT
Crucking infedible. Whouda thunk?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:55pm PT
You've really, never, heard that?


Going North @ 7 mph
apogee

climber
Nov 29, 2009 - 11:02pm PT
"The poll is very close to what I think the makeup of taco is."

As ridiculously simplistic as the questions were in this poll, and as pathetically small the cross-section of participants, I'd still say it doesn't surprise me in the least. As a matter of fact, if the poll was conducted more comprehensively, I'd still expect that the Rep/Dem divisions would look something similar.

Which completely debunks your (Lois's, and many other Repugs) long-standing assertion that ST is dominated by a bunch of long-haired socialist nazi liberals.

Now that we've settled this once and for all, any chance that you and the rest of the ST Repugs drop all the BS about how you are the lone Repug in a sea of libs?
JOEY.F

Social climber
sebastopol
Nov 29, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
Who's driving?

apogee

climber
Nov 29, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
"Pretty much, then, it is the independents who are probably going to determine the outcome of the next election."

Duh. Duh. Duuuuhhhhh.

No fecking DUUUUUHHHHHH!!!!!

The only people that don't realize this are the ones who sit on one extreme or the other, convinced that all of the world sees things exactly the same way they do. They are the ones who are awe and dumbstruck when elections or policy decisions do not fall squarely within their tiny, narrow window on the world...and tend to rally their similarly-narrow minded cohorts for the next tea party.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 11:23pm PT
These are a whole lot of assumptions you are making there, apogee. Most people are well aware of the dynamics regarding which you speak. Certainly anyone with an interest in politics is aware of them. Surely, you did not think such was a new concept to me or anyone else nor that I "realized" it based on a 10 question convenience sample.

The dynamics you cite are the reason why the experts can narrow elections down to a few critical states where the outcome is less certain and which could throw the election one way or another.

The problem with some people who call themselves "independents" is that commonly they are really not so. Jay's commentary is a perfect example. It will be a cold day in hell before he casts a vote in the GOP, at least on a national level. Californians sometimes vote for a GOP governor just as do the people from MA but the state typically does not go that way in a national election. His voting pattern in a Presidential election is rather predictable.

The term "independent" appeals to a whole lot of people but, in reality, certain persons who use the term are not esp independent at all. There voting patterns are very consistent and predictable. We probably saw that in the survey we are discussing.

It has been my experience with you, Apogee, that you assume far too much esp as it pertains to me.

PS I am off to bed. I know you monitor these things so I am just advising you. Nite nite.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 30, 2009 - 12:08am PT

Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to organize this.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 12:30am PT
Daphne's driving, Joe, but at this rate she could be posting as well. Though we, as responsble Californians all know that that would wrong! Except for Maria!

Lois, if you pay any attention at all to my criteria, what else could I be but an indendent, by definition?
I'm hardly a Marxist! -though someone I recently mentioned to you (no names) is! Point being, there are a lot of people way left of me. Then, way, way over on the right, Practically Indistinguishible, are the demo/ republic parties... you take a Very, narrow view and imagine you are seeing the spectrum.
When you wake up, look up the concept, 'independent.' It's a term you are usng speciously and innaccurately one that you do not uderstand. It's not centerest, or right, or left. in fact has nothing at all, to do with predicting who one might vote for....

82 mph, Woot!
Jim E

climber
away
Nov 30, 2009 - 04:43am PT
GIGO
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:24am PT

LOL!!!...




"Yes- 99% (8741.5)

No- 1% (3)"
...
Matt

Trad climber
primordial soup
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:24am PT
major flaw in this so-called "poll" would be that lowest ran it, and MANY would have ignored it due to that fact alone (myself included), so don't go off counting your chickens...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:30am PT
Yeah Matt, but it's like a hornet's nest and we all have pokey sticks, yourself included...
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:01am PT
I consider myself a social liberal, fiscally more conservative leaning, and foreign policy?, I don't think either side has had much of a clue in the last 50 yrs. Some of my friends call me a hypocrite, I just call it eclectic, hence........Independent.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 11:33am PT
My guess is that a lot of people on this particular forum who identify themselves as "independents" are likely more left-leaning than would be the case for the general population when taken as a whole.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:41am PT
LEB/DMT: I don't know that college education is related to voting propensities.

I think it is dentally related. The fewer teeth you have, the more likely you are to vote Republican.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 12:18pm PT
Gary,

You wish (it were so).

Actually, joking aside, senior citizens are more apt to vote against Obama and his initiatives due to potential cuts to medicare.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 12:34pm PT
Here is another question I found interesting

5. Would you change your vote in 2008 if you could?

Yes 26.6% (21)
No 73.4% (58)
6 people skipped the question

Over 1/4 of the people would change their vote in retrospect. Of course, we don't know how those people voted in 2008 but it is food for thought, at very least.

I would expect that number to be almost entirely Obama voters. There is not much reason for a McCain voter to change their mind.

The electoral college system makes it hard to extrapolate the actual result, but the popular vote was Obama's by 5.2%. A shift of 26.6% seems to be more than enough to change the results.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 01:13pm PT
I'm completely against the unethical treatment of Elephants in India.



oops-wrong thread?
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:10pm PT
I'm fuking LOSING it over here on THAT one...


LOfukingL!!!...





EDIT:

refering of course to Pate's POST...



nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:28pm PT
maybe a better quiz would be:


are you
a) liberal
b) conservative

do you think LEB sucks?
a) yes
b no


you just might learn a little bit more about how your survey sucks ass with two simple questions.





and crimpie nailed it.







maybe another survey:


did you take LEBS survey and give incorrect answers (ie voted for bush when in reality you didn't)
a) yes
b) no

are you:
a) liberal
b) conservative







your survey and the results are meaningless (though you are more than welcome to waste braincells thinking about how it isn't).


carry on....
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 02:35pm PT
hey nature,

life sucks then you die. Suck it up, Jack
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:38pm PT


"isn't this the "I've got a bad barber thread"???"...





uh???...











































photo not found
Missing photo ID#136593
...

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:40pm PT
After 4 days on the wall w/o a poo-tube I just had to let one fly.



oh- I though this was the how to build a poo-tube thread.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
ksolem,

I was thinking the same thing myself but I don't know if the logic is valid. It seems so on an intuitive level, in any event. The only way it would make sense for McCain voters to change their mind would be if Obama was doing stuff which was overwhelmingly well received and the people were thinking they were wrong about him at the election time. Barring that, your interpretation would make more sense.

Of course, as Crimpie accurately points out, it is a very limited survey by virtue of its design and one cannot make many valid interpretations on the results other than in the most general sense. Still, all and all, it is an interesting question. Unfortunately, the cross tabulation function is disabled in the free version but if it were active, it would definitively answer the question of which group of voters were inclined to change their minds.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:43pm PT
I use these guys after a long trip to Josh.
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:44pm PT
THIS one Seems to FIT...




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EDIT:

"it would definitively answer the question of which group of voters were inclined to change their minds."...

I would GUESS that it would be the MORE open minded ones...

REGARDLESS of being a Rubarb or Dum-o-brat...
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 03:28pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#136598
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 03:29pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#136599
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#136600
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 03:32pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#136601
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 30, 2009 - 03:42pm PT
The Sex Party should be fairly sure of the sexagenarian vote, anyway.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Nov 30, 2009 - 04:07pm PT
"Still, all and all, it is an interesting question."--LB


No, really it's not--only to you, which explains the responses, toots.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Nov 30, 2009 - 04:45pm PT
"I would tend to agree with you. I was surprised that there were as many declared GOP/conservatives as there were. I would have thought there would be much less."

Nothing but a guess since there's no way of knowing what percent of either took the poll or if they were honest or if they took it twice under different accounts.....useless



"Would you change your vote in 2009 if you could?"

09??? Democrat changing to vote Republican or vice versa.....useless



"I don't want to be a party-pooper or harsh anyone's mellow, but this poll does not necessarily tell us *anything* about the people of ST. The findings are not based on a probability sample and therefore is not necessarily generalizeable to the population of ST. It only tells us about those folks who were inclined to and who chose to participate in the survey. And those folks may or may not represent accurately ST participants.
"

Spot on.



"It is not based on random selection of the participants."

Oh no, not selected, but random people taking it none the less.



"I would say the likelihood is that the women did not multiple submit"

Consistent with your many unfounded assumptions.



"My guess is that once you correct for absolute numbers..."

Absolute is absolute, there is no correcting it, except with assumption, which this poll is nothing but.



"then I would submit that you are not an independent."

And I would submit that you push the triangle on a weegee board to point to what you want.



"These are a whole lot of assumptions you are making there, apogee"

Says the pot to the kettle.



"Actually, joking aside, senior citizens are more apt to vote against Obama and his initiatives due to potential cuts to medicare."

That would be like telling people that Obama's going to cut funding for the B1B's without telling them that they're not going to be using them anymore. The funding for Medicare thats being cut would be covered in the health plan, but maybe we should pay twice for it.....drrrrrrrrrrr.
As an aside, the AARP is backing Obama.



"I consider myself a social liberal, fiscally more conservative leaning, and foreign policy?, I don't think either side has had much of a clue in the last 50 yrs. Some of my friends call me a hypocrite, I just call it eclectic, hence........Independent."

How dare you, you will be what LEB pidgeon holes as and that's that.



"life sucks then you die. Suck it up, Jack"

Your words LEB, lets see how well you walk the talk.



"I was thinking the same thing myself but I don't know if the logic is valid"

Hasn't stopped you yet.





And the winner is
ding ding ding

"maybe a better quiz would be:


are you
a) liberal
b) conservative

do you think LEB sucks?
a) yes
b no


you just might learn a little bit more about how your survey sucks ass with two simple questions.





and crimpie nailed it.







maybe another survey:


did you take LEBS survey and give incorrect answers (ie voted for bush when in reality you didn't)
a) yes
b) no

are you:
a) liberal
b) conservative







your survey and the results are meaningless (though you are more than welcome to waste braincells thinking about how it isn't).


carry on.... "










Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 04:56pm PT
Give it up, Sis, you're never gonna spin this in your own image.
Forest

Trad climber
Denver, CO
Nov 30, 2009 - 05:28pm PT
I am aware of that - it is, at best, a convenience survey. It is not based on random selection of the participants. It is still interesting, none-the-less. It likely reflects the data by the persons who most actively participate and, in particular, who participated when the survey was active. Still it is interesting to look at the data.


Point #1: No, it's not at all. a self-selected double-digit sample from a site with thousands of people is completely meaningless. I'd doubt if most people even noticed the survey anyway, but even if they had, self-selected polls like this have been discredited for a very long time. really, there's nothing to see here. even if you did find the results "surprisingly" in the direction you liked.

Crimpie, one thing I believe we can conclude is that the women lurk in significant numbers.

Point #2: See point #1 above.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Nov 30, 2009 - 05:34pm PT
Apparently, at least one medical person here is oblivious to statistical analysis and marketing/polling theory...

Oh well, nothing new--still, it won't stop the nonsense flowing endlessly from it's arse.
okay,whatever

Trad climber
Charlottesville, VA
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:01pm PT
With all due respect to everyone's viewpoints, this seems to be, say, 95% noise and 5% data, based on a statistically insignificant and biased sample (those on this forum who would bother to weigh in at all). Not a bad thing to find out what people think, but this effort is not meaningful, except to stir up flames, IMHO....
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:03pm PT
5%? is ANY of this data?


Moj, we ain't in this for the science!
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 06:24pm PT
Johnboy,

Looks like you invested a whole lot of time and effort critiquing the project. Let me guess, someone put a gun to your head and made you read it all then spend time analyzing it. Couldn’t control yourself? Feeling a tad bit like a moth, these days?


Jay,

There is no “spin,” my Dearest Bro. It is what it is. It is just that some of the moths can’t seem to stay away from the flame.

Forest,

Forest, 85 people participated and not one of us thought we were conducting any earth-shattering study. No one wrote his or her doctoral dissertation based on the results. We were simply having some online “fun.” Now, we are all sorry you don’t approve of how we spend our time. Unfortunately, no one advised us that we first needed to secure your consent first before we pursued something we wanted to do. We’ll just have to watch that next time.

Pate,

Getting a tad hot under the collar, are we? Looks like someone is getting just a wee bit angry (my, my, my) and emotional, too. Having problems with anger management, perhaps? Hmmmmm...
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 06:31pm PT
Okay,whatever,

But see now you are touching on the real crux of this issue. People are free to spend time how they wish and engage with whomever and however they wish to do so. The "disapprovers," it seems, are rather angry and bent out of shape over this whole thing. That is interesting in and of itself. They are jumping up and down kind of like the Red Queen in Alice and Wonderland. Frankly their reaction is more interesting than the survey and far more amusing.

The bottom line is that no one on this forum is forced to read anyone else's comments and/or participate in anyone else's threads. Anyone who did not want to participate in the survey need not have done so and anyone not interested in the results need not have read them. It is really THAT simple.
Jim E

climber
away
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:33pm PT
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 06:44pm PT
Pate,

Oh I don't know about that. I'd say you give a pretty good rendition of the "angry little man" if ever I saw one. Could have fooled me.
Jingy

Social climber
Flatland, Ca
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:51pm PT
Lol... Too funny... I think Jay has made a pretty good, and valid (IMO) point when he noted: ...You''d hink with the high percent of college grads (I think) there are here it would skew farther left."


Yeah, you'd think..

But then again.. those of us who are above IT ALL....

We don't even participate in a political pole posted to a climbing related site....


bwahhhaaaaa


I like how Jay suggests, (honestly, this may be my own personal reading of his words) that conservatives may be lacking in the education arena...
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 06:52pm PT
Pate,

Coprophilia?
Jim E

climber
away
Nov 30, 2009 - 06:52pm PT
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 06:57pm PT
Jim E

Emetophilia? Let it not be said we do not have a variety of folks on this forum.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:00pm PT
































































Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:05pm PT
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skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:07pm PT
I say we nominate Pate as class clown.

Many have tried for this award but the man is just too good.
His hate filled anti-woman misogynistic bullshit stands out
as a fine example of what happens when you fry your
brain to crispy critters and then try to pretend like you
are clever.


Skip
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 07:09pm PT
No need to get discouraged, Pate. Coprophillia can be treated.
Ray Olson

Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:10pm PT
folks, I do not think you will get anywhere
by engaging in a flame war with LEB.

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:14pm PT




































































































































Spiteful Women Unite!



































































































































































































LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 07:18pm PT
Pate,

Spiteful? So, who is the angry one here? Seems to me, for someone who finds me as worthless as you claim you do, you spend a heck of a lot of time seeking me out to talk to me. Makes sense to me.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:20pm PT
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:21pm PT
" No spin" rayeight! You're not going to save this 'data' to use to your own advantage someday? Like the next time everyone disagrees with you, you won't pull this card out and say something like, "the majority is wrong because I used science to prove that you're all bonehead commie liberals, so there, phhhhh!" or words to that effect?

I got some great dirt for you, be patient though....

Cheers!
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:23pm PT
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:28pm PT




sounds like yer a lil'........................................................................................................................

crazy?
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 07:29pm PT
Well actually, Brother Dear, getting "dirt" was never my intent. I know enough about statistics and research that I am well aware that a 10 question non-randomized survey would not be much "dirt" at all. It was for fun and curiosity, nothing more.

I think the part about women having a greater propensity to lurk versus men might be valid - and no wonder with the some of the raging beasts we have here. As Crimpie points out, it may not be conclusive but it supports anecdotal evidence we have had in the past.

The age bracket distribution is somewhat interesting although it is nothing any of us have not suspected previously. Again, not conclusive but it does support anecdotal evidence in the same direction.

The only other interesting piece of data is whether the % of people who stated they would change their vote has any meaning at all. It is meaningful more in speculation as to whether people who voted for the loser of any given national election would answer in that manner or whether the answer rather mandates that the person voted for the winner. Less as it pertains to this survey and more as it pertains to the question in the general sense. If we had the cross tabulation function active we could comment more definitively on that phenomenon.

BTW, have you been drinking tonight? You don't quite sound like the usual you I know
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:30pm PT
So.... what are the results? I looked for em but all I saw was a bunch of sh#t. Did she/I post them?

DMT
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:34pm PT
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 07:38pm PT
I don't know Pate, sure do sound angry to me. You spend a whole lot of time chasing me down to spew forth angry comments.

To answer your question, yes everyone knows I participate. In fact, sometimes, over dinner we talk about this very site and the various characters who dwell therein. It makes for some fascinating conversations. One policy I follow in life is to never put something in writing or online that you would ever be ashamed of were it to become public. That is the reason why, unlike you, I never loose my temper on line and post hateful things to other people. I hold to the policy that if you would be embarrassed by it appearing on the front page of a public newspaper, it is best not said. If you analyze my posts, you will note the following

1. I never flirt online or make sexual innuendos toward anyone
2. I never say hateful things to anyone i.e. I don't lose my temper
3. I never threaten anyone
4. I never say anything I could not fully stand behind

I may well be verbose (and I am) BUT I never write anything I would ever be ashamed to be made public. You would do well to follow some of these same rules.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:38pm PT
Dingus, you sound like an identity crisis. ;-)

I think you know that I know that he might know what she knows(?)
or not.
Cheers.
Mike.

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:43pm PT
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 07:44pm PT
DMT,

We posted a survey and 85 people responded. We and the respondents had some measure of fun online. Some of the usual crowd (the people who don't like to talk to me) came over and posted lots of nasty remarks. It was the usual moths flocking to the flame. You know the ones who hate me and find everything I say to be utterly worthless BUT somehow they can never quite manage to stay away. Same story; different characters.

BTW, where were YOU during all the LEB = HWD debate (compliments of apogee). How can I possibly be HWD when everyone KNOWS LEB=DMT. Where were YOU when OUR brand was threatened? I have told everyone repeatedly to accept no substitutes. LEB=DMT. Everyone knows that. Why were you letting them get away with this LEB=HWD stuff. It was a direct affront to our brand!

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:49pm PT
dIfferent dirt, disappointed that you didn't pick up on that inuendo. You don't need to comment, better if you don't.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:52pm PT
HWD = LEB
LEB = DMT

Therefore, HWD = DMT.

LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 07:52pm PT
Jay,

OK, OK, I trust you. Your my brother. If I can't trust you, who I CAN I trust. You know where to find me.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 07:54pm PT
Yes, dirtbag - that makes sense on some level only it somehow never occurred to some folks, here. See DMT is very crafty and few people truly appreciate how skillful he really is.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 07:55pm PT
Captain,

I forgot to tell you ....that photo is GORGEOUS. What a shot!
Ray Olson

Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:57pm PT
if you attack LEB's posts (WOS) you will start a
flame war, and further denigrate the thread.
(steve)

if you post on LEB's threads...oh well.
(yes, I just did, for a good reason, I hope)

trying to say, direct affront has proven pointless...


Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 07:59pm PT
LEB "85 People" responded? Would that mean you are counting my 25 times as 1 and the other individual who took it 20 times as 1 or as 45 combined? Cuz that would cut 'yer numbers significantly and I'd say skew your results about as badly as your sanity.

LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 08:01pm PT
precisely, Ray, but these "bright boys" don't ever seem to be able to figure that out.

Regarding the WOS thread, I did try to make cogent and substantive comments. Whether they were helpful or whether they were accurate is another matter but the intent was to be constructive. I think, in all fairness, some of my remarks were not totally off the mark although I may have touched on some subjects that given people would prefer not to hear i.e. hit a few raw nerves, as it were. Sometimes an outsider can see things which persons in the thick of it and embroiled in the heat of the moment, don't always perceive.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 08:06pm PT
Pate,

If you really spent that much time chasing me around on ST and involving yourself with my stuff on ST, then you are truly more deeply embroiled than you realize. When you don't like someone, you typically don't much waste your time with that person. You esp don't read every word they write and then flock to every thread of those people you find "worthless." If what you just proposed were true, the amount of effort it would have taken and the degree of obsession which would been involved in doing what you just proposed would make you irrefutably "King Moth."
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:13pm PT
Ah, but don't discount the need to slay the frickin' dragon.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:13pm PT
Credit: mojede
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:23pm PT
i'll be in touch
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:25pm PT
Little Mo goes Down.......
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 08:26pm PT
Captain,

The thing is that they repeated tell me how worthless I am and how little they value anything I do or say yet they read every single word I write and spend enormous amounts of time talking to me online. I mean how much sense does that make?

What pisses them off the most is that they desperately want me to go away from "their" forum and then they get angry when they can't make it happen. They want to be in control and then they get pissed off to the max when other forum members talk to me. The bottom line is that NONE of us are in control of this thing. The sooner you learn that; the better you are. We are all but pawns in the game. The best any of us can hope for is to control ourselves and our own life.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:27pm PT
Hmmmm.
You're
a


Real
State







Trooper.
Pshoooooow!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:30pm PT
I'm sorry where did you post those results again LEB?

Gasp!!!111 You mean I missed large parts of the Lois Show?

Oh... SNAP!

DMT
dirtbag

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:37pm PT
Lois pisses me off sometimes, I piss her off sometimes. But I've always liked her and appreciated her being here.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 08:37pm PT
DMT,

Well, yes, you are suppose to be on top of these things. I mean after all we ARE the same person, you know. You WRITE everything I say here online on ST.

By the way, WE just sold OUR house in GG - you know where you grew up and had a crush on what's her name. Roger B and Skipt very kindly assisted us with present value of the mortgage and WE are infinitely indebted to them for there efforts. There were others on the site who helped also and their efforts are appreciated as well. Very importantly, Goatboy coughed up this absolutely dynamite spreadsheet - BIG help. Those are some very smart dudes there. WE owe them big time.... but, of course, you already knew all of that because LEB = DMT.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:38pm PT
LEB
No moth to a flame. I always like reading the funnies and continue to come back to them. I also like to point out the funny parts to the author that can't stand back and look at it from a different light. Sometimes total darkness even.

I good doctor doesn't give up, even when his patient has. But you call it any ole way that makes ya feel better, K?
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 08:39pm PT
johnboy,

Well one just might think otherwise. In that case, you sure enough give a good imitation of one.
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:48pm PT
When you are as full of sh#t as little man pate is you just gotta
find a way to relieve yourself.

The boy picks on women unmercifully and it truly is a sign of sickness.

Seek help Pate.

Honest, you need it.


Skip
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:50pm PT
Pate has it in for certain women.

The man is completely out of his depth and is to fry brained to see it.

Grow up Pate.

Picking on women may seem manly to you but really there is nothing
manly about it.


Skip
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for "Crack Annie"
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:52pm PT


photo not found
Missing photo ID#136655
...
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:52pm PT
skipt- you're so hot.

LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 08:58pm PT
Pate,

You confuse yourself with "people." YOU (and some of your friends) want me to "go away." Other people don't. In fact, they talk to me and they participate in a survey I post. We interact online. What makes you think that your will is more important than anyone elses. Who died and put you in charge of the world. There is only one person "in charge" of this forum and his name is Chris Mac. He and he alone decides who stays and who goes. You don't get a vote. I don't get a vote. We all play in the sandbox and no one of us can control any other of us.

Now for your other "theory," indeed, I did have a few studs in my day and I recall them very fondly. I have had the pleasure to know some mighty fine Dudes in my day but now I am married to the very best of them all and happily so. I am blessed to have him and I love him dearly. I am also on good terms with all my ex boyfriends. Life is just easier that way. I don't recall much in the way of curb kicking but you can cling to that belief if you wish. It is no skin off my back. You need to worry less about me and more about your own life.
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:58pm PT
Pate,

When you don't get any everything looks hot.


Skip
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 08:59pm PT
Hey, Can I have my shoe back?

Hey Thanks, 1 Million.

Oh, I see, a cute girl & an astronaut.........A patty melt?
You get an iron cup, full of Brunswick Stew.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:00pm PT
l love it, Locker. I love it! But I have to keep reminding you that I am bustier than that. I understand though in this case why it is so. I realize it can't be so in this pic. I absolutely love it! You ARE talented.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:02pm PT
Skipt

LOL!
locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for "Crack Annie"
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:03pm PT


photo not found
Missing photo ID#136657
...
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:13pm PT
skipt,

The man has coprophillia. It is sort of sad. You read about this stuff but you never think you'll meet someone with it.

Ray Olson

Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:15pm PT
one thing though, LEB, as I am neutral on this whole thing,..

you must have known that your posting on the WOS
thread was going to draw some heat, right?

its called "boundries" - remember?

one other thing LEB, many have learned and make
a point of "overstepping" flame attacks, and staying
on topic, thus upholding the intended direction of
the thread.

this might be something to consider, eh?
as we all know where it leads when you go
into "search and destroy" mode, right?

having said that, and at the risk of being less
than neutral, trying to eliminate digression
from the human condition seems worse than
pointless.

nope, not taking sides.

Pate, those are some funny posts, and your
outrage is justified ;-)

now, I will duck into my concrete bunker and
wish you all a good evening...

cheers,
Ray
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:15pm PT
http://www.homestarrunner.com/senorialday.html

locker

Social climber
Pimpin' for "Crack Annie"
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:15pm PT

"When you don't get any everything looks hot."...

































Credit: locker
...

LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:21pm PT
Ray,


I don't know that my posting on WOS truly represents a breach of boundaries. I am not sure I agree with that. The issue of enhancements affects more than climbers. Moreover, I will submit that a number of the points I raised concerning the debacle are, indeed, valid.
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:23pm PT
So pate,

Got any posts of mine showing where I degrade women just because I can?

[crickets]

Didn't think so.

I leave that sh#t to men with little minds.

You know ... Like you.


Skip

EDIT: Lois, I will leave pate to you for awhile. It is not my
intention to highjack your thread. Thank you for your patience.

EDIT EDIT: Pate changed his post and is to unethical to show
a simple edit. Before he was telling me to "get lost" again and
commented that my parents were probably happy about it. This is
a clear sign he read my post about being pinned down in a storm
in the Sierra. Now he says in the post above he is unsure if
I climb. The man is a flat out liar as much as anything else.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:29pm PT
skipt,

No it is fine. I have just about had my fill of him also. He is too filled with negative energy. Negative energy is not a good place for anyone to be - there is too much in life to waste time with this kind of stuff.

Actually, I would like to get back to the original intent of this thread. Does anyone else have any comments on the data which we have not already covered.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:30pm PT
We don't know that LEB IS a woman.
Supposition does not bring forth solid conclusions.

Howeird sounds male, as does Dingus.

Maybe metrosexual?
Kinda Euro, that.
CHIPS

Trad climber
Boston
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:32pm PT
Pate, Go to bed already, man! Or even better, get a life or at least a job! 14 hours on ST in a single day? Sad...
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:33pm PT
Captain


Hmmmmmmm........

mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:37pm PT
At least Pate's posts have some "flavor" and originality--sure beats 110 posts in 3 days bickering to others about the justification of being here/ and or commenting on EVERYTHING posted, said, or insinuated.


"SOMEONE's" husband is prolly glad that she is posting here, rather than yammering at HIM.

Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:50pm PT
Now THAT'S funny.
Haha!
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:55pm PT
Gentlemen,

You don't think for one minute I am stupid enough to torture my husband the way I torture you all. I am not that dumb.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Nov 30, 2009 - 09:57pm PT
I'm sure we enjoy it as much as he does:-)
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:59pm PT
Actually, I treat him very well. I love him but more importantly the secret of a good marriage is not to sweat the small stuff. You got to put someone else's needs ahead of your own.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:14pm PT
Man this thread had turned ugly,and I thought it was bad when I, was misrepresented/slandered. Holy bar brawl, batman!

Patey post some good stuff, you know, you don't have to bleed him to feed your own egos, even of he did go over the line....

Hoh man, even more dirt.
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 10:17pm PT
Jay,

Yeah it DID get rather ugly didn't it. Damn!

Jay, I am almost done working on my online course for the evening and heading off to the sack. These online courses are really neat. They allow the adult learner with a full time job so much more flexibility than traditional college courses taught face-to-face in the classroom. Of course, they have advantages too. My own preference is for a curriculum which includes both types. That's what we do. Since I moved to PA, my boss kept me on staff for the online courses - 2nd job.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:18pm PT
Sounds to me as if he likes you to dedicate massive amounts of time bickering with strangers--wonder why that is?
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 10:22pm PT
Well, he knows I am very aggressive but he also knows I will cave into him so I guess, in part, that makes it work. If I treated him the way I do you a lot of you guys, it would never work. But, to be fair, I only give you guys a hard time when you attack me. I don't go around looking for trouble. If he says something I don't like, I am much more inclined to let it slide in the interest of keeping the peace. When it comes to marriage, you got to put your ego aside and do what is best for the whole.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:25pm PT
I rest my case, ladies and gentlemen...


Don't you mean "hole"?



edit : NOW it sounds like you're a good little sub-serviant wife--good on you, dear!
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 10:28pm PT
That's a just tad vulgar, even coming from you, don't you think? In a country where 50% of the marriages end in divorce, you have to ask the question why? I think you should apologize for being so vulgar while you and I are having a serious discussion about something.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:36pm PT
Pffffft.

60+
Vulgar......That's funny.
Can't you read? He's from Butte!
nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:37pm PT
Pate! Yer killin' me. I'm laughing so hard! To think you are angry shows how dense she can be.

And LEB... you admit to torturing us?
























You can leave now.











Again
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:37pm PT
'zactly, Skully...


edit: Get this, bickering between LEB and anybody constitutes a "serious discussion"...


Hehe, how sad:-(
apogee

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:39pm PT
Credit: apogee
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:39pm PT
http://www.videlectrix.com/videlectrix_catalog.html


BwaaaHaHaHa. Sorry, still workin' on my "evil Laugh".......;-)
Ray Olson

Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:41pm PT
one more thing...

skip, in no way does holding an individual female accountable
for her actions constitute an attack on "women".

that's bullsh*t, and you know it.

maybe the new "political correctness" really IS a totalitarian
thing?

knights in shining armor may feel like hero's, but its just
another form of male chauvinism.


apogee

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:44pm PT
Credit: apogee
LEB

climber
PA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 10:46pm PT
apogee,

Did you notice that one of the posters here commented that HWD sounded male to him (ahem, ahem). I am off to bed now and you know how you always monitor these things. Nite nite.

Mojede,

It WAS serious; too bad you did not notice. Your loss. A real man would own up an apologize for being so vulgar like that but I understand. You don't want to loose face in front of "the boys" Too bad cause everyone would have respected you more for it. But it's OK - no biggy. Will be long forgotten before I hit the sheets.

Good night all.

PS Apogee - I named my kitten after her.
apogee

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:46pm PT
Credit: apogee
apogee

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:47pm PT
Credit: apogee
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:49pm PT
skip, in no way does holding an individual female accountable
for her actions constitute an attack on "women".

-Ray

When you degrade all women in the process it absolutely
means it "constitutes an attack on "women"."

If you do not see that this is what is going on then you are blind.


Skip
apogee

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:50pm PT
Credit: apogee
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Mare Infinitum
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:53pm PT
I know a couple gals that really like when I attack them.
Just takes the right attack. Apparently, yours sux.


Fix it! (duh)
apogee

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:58pm PT
Ever notice how LEB-ified threads lose their mojo when Lois goes to bed? It's kinda like the scrawny, obnoxious kid on the playground goes home...suddenly, everything gets real boring.
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:03pm PT
Hey App,

We can go over and beat the crap out of each other on the Republican thread if that will make you feel any better.

:=)


Skip
apogee

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
Thanks, Skip, but I'm going to bed, too.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................
nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:06pm PT


















oooops... wrong thread.











or is it?
LED

Social climber
the great beyond
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:09pm PT
nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
LED = LEB = DMT = HWD


dam... I'm confused.































is that a nun?
LED

Social climber
the great beyond
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:15pm PT
Ray Olson

Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:21pm PT
skip,

that the pictorial mocking of LEB on this thread
could be construed as "degrading to all women"
seems silly to me.

we all know who the focus of this stuff was/is...

I step in sh*t, I pay.
An individual female steps in sh*t, she pays, too.

you want equality?

THAT is how you go about it.
nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:26pm PT
what's really laughable is most likely the ballot box got stuffed. On top of that the people mocking LEB were not honest with their answers.

I'd guess at least half of the 80+ "people" that voted were not honest or duplicates. That makes a worthless poll even more worthless. well... it really doesn't it wasn't worth anything in the first place.
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:28pm PT
what's really laughable is most likely the ballot box got stuffed..

That would make her about the best fisherman out there.

Hookin' the same fish over and over again.


Skip
nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Nov 30, 2009 - 11:29pm PT
She's never beat out Rajmit.

And no, even if the entire ballot box got stuff it wouldn't make her a troll. The logic doesn't follow. well... it might for you I suppose. LOL!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 1, 2009 - 12:17am PT
I suspect that the percent of Men and Women posters who dislike Lois is about the same.

It's not a sexual dimorhism issue.
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Dec 1, 2009 - 12:39am PT
I step in sh*t, I pay.
An individual female steps in sh*t, she pays, too.

-Ray

Ya', I used to think like that when I was a little boy as well.

Let me give you an example of what I mean:

So lets say I go over to your momma's house and when she
does something I am not in step with I go and hand her a
picture of a woman's ass and tell her, "she can put her
crap in here."

Are you telling me your gonna stand by and tell the world,
"Momma, I'm sorry but you stepped in sh#t and now you have to pay."

Is that what you mean?

Or, are you gonna' appreciate it when I treat her with a
little more respect?

Pate has a sickness, not an excuse. Or more likely, pate showed
he is an ass. Showed it off for all the world to see.

And now he needs to put his crap back inside.


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LED

Social climber
the great beyond
Dec 1, 2009 - 12:43am PT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Dec 1, 2009 - 04:48am PT
Help me out here... WHERE ARE THE RESULTS TO THE SURVEY???

LEB - I will be in GG in January sometime for a visit. I will wave a hand westward in your memory.

DMT
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