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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Nov 30, 2009 - 12:13am PT
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Well now if we could get 8 different people to analyze this useless poll we could get 8 different useless opinions as to what it means.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 12:30am PT
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I'll give my analysis free of charge.
It's scary how conservative a forum those one is!
You''d hink with the high percent of college grads (I think) there are here it would skew farther left.
From highway 5, already in progress.!
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ryanb
climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 30, 2009 - 12:50am PT
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What do you mean we don't know? You've got the data, tell us.
While you are at it tell us how many people voted for bush II and would change.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:09am PT
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I don't want to be a party-pooper or harsh anyone's mellow, but this poll does not necessarily tell us *anything* about the people of ST. The findings are not based on a probability sample and therefore is not necessarily generalizeable to the population of ST. It only tells us about those folks who were inclined to and who chose to participate in the survey. And those folks may or may not represent accurately ST participants.
That's all. But seriously, carry on and have fun with it.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:14am PT
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5. Would you change your vote in 2009 if you could?
Yes 26.6% (21)
No 73.4% (58)
6 people skipped the question
Over 1/4 of the people would change their vote in retrospect. Of course, we don't know how those people voted in 2009 but it is food for thought, at very least.
Apart from local and a few state elections, no one in the US voted in 2009. There were very few elections for congress or the senate, and of course none for president.
I get it, it was a trick question, to see if anyone was paying attention.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:20am PT
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Again - I don't want to imply it is not interesting or fun or anything like that.
And I also will say that we cannot conclude that women lurk in significant numbers at all. It may be that women were more inclined than men to participate and this is why the numbers looks like that. Or it could be that one woman participated a bunch of times and that is why the results look like that. Or it could be that by virtue of luck it perfectly represents the gender make-up of ST. Because it is a sample that folks self-select into, be can't really conclude anything. But one can have fun with it nonetheless.
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JOEY.F
Social climber
sebastopol
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:31am PT
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i am not a college grad
i have been a dem since Kennedy was murdered
i was 9 yrs old
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:35am PT
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Wrong again. Independent does not mean equadistant from either party. It means not aligning with either one. In my own case it means that Democratic party slipped way down to the right.
And yeah of course it's just an amusement, NTTAWWT!
180 miles to go, but traffic is moving
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:48am PT
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Crucking infedible. Whouda thunk?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:55am PT
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You've really, never, heard that?
Going North @ 7 mph
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apogee
climber
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:02am PT
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"The poll is very close to what I think the makeup of taco is."
As ridiculously simplistic as the questions were in this poll, and as pathetically small the cross-section of participants, I'd still say it doesn't surprise me in the least. As a matter of fact, if the poll was conducted more comprehensively, I'd still expect that the Rep/Dem divisions would look something similar.
Which completely debunks your (Lois's, and many other Repugs) long-standing assertion that ST is dominated by a bunch of long-haired socialist nazi liberals.
Now that we've settled this once and for all, any chance that you and the rest of the ST Repugs drop all the BS about how you are the lone Repug in a sea of libs?
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JOEY.F
Social climber
sebastopol
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:05am PT
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Who's driving?
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apogee
climber
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:13am PT
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"Pretty much, then, it is the independents who are probably going to determine the outcome of the next election."
Duh. Duh. Duuuuhhhhh.
No fecking DUUUUUHHHHHH!!!!!
The only people that don't realize this are the ones who sit on one extreme or the other, convinced that all of the world sees things exactly the same way they do. They are the ones who are awe and dumbstruck when elections or policy decisions do not fall squarely within their tiny, narrow window on the world...and tend to rally their similarly-narrow minded cohorts for the next tea party.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Nov 30, 2009 - 03:08am PT
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Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to organize this.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 03:30am PT
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Daphne's driving, Joe, but at this rate she could be posting as well. Though we, as responsble Californians all know that that would wrong! Except for Maria!
Lois, if you pay any attention at all to my criteria, what else could I be but an indendent, by definition?
I'm hardly a Marxist! -though someone I recently mentioned to you (no names) is! Point being, there are a lot of people way left of me. Then, way, way over on the right, Practically Indistinguishible, are the demo/ republic parties... you take a Very, narrow view and imagine you are seeing the spectrum.
When you wake up, look up the concept, 'independent.' It's a term you are usng speciously and innaccurately one that you do not uderstand. It's not centerest, or right, or left. in fact has nothing at all, to do with predicting who one might vote for....
82 mph, Woot!
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Jim E
climber
away
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Nov 30, 2009 - 07:43am PT
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GIGO
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:24pm PT
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major flaw in this so-called "poll" would be that lowest ran it, and MANY would have ignored it due to that fact alone (myself included), so don't go off counting your chickens...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 01:30pm PT
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Yeah Matt, but it's like a hornet's nest and we all have pokey sticks, yourself included...
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:01pm PT
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I consider myself a social liberal, fiscally more conservative leaning, and foreign policy?, I don't think either side has had much of a clue in the last 50 yrs. Some of my friends call me a hypocrite, I just call it eclectic, hence........Independent.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
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LEB/DMT: I don't know that college education is related to voting propensities.
I think it is dentally related. The fewer teeth you have, the more likely you are to vote Republican.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 30, 2009 - 03:34pm PT
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Here is another question I found interesting
5. Would you change your vote in 2008 if you could?
Yes 26.6% (21)
No 73.4% (58)
6 people skipped the question
Over 1/4 of the people would change their vote in retrospect. Of course, we don't know how those people voted in 2008 but it is food for thought, at very least.
I would expect that number to be almost entirely Obama voters. There is not much reason for a McCain voter to change their mind.
The electoral college system makes it hard to extrapolate the actual result, but the popular vote was Obama's by 5.2%. A shift of 26.6% seems to be more than enough to change the results.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Nov 30, 2009 - 05:28pm PT
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maybe a better quiz would be:
are you
a) liberal
b) conservative
do you think LEB sucks?
a) yes
b no
you just might learn a little bit more about how your survey sucks ass with two simple questions.
and crimpie nailed it.
maybe another survey:
did you take LEBS survey and give incorrect answers (ie voted for bush when in reality you didn't)
a) yes
b) no
are you:
a) liberal
b) conservative
your survey and the results are meaningless (though you are more than welcome to waste braincells thinking about how it isn't).
carry on....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 30, 2009 - 06:42pm PT
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The Sex Party should be fairly sure of the sexagenarian vote, anyway.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 30, 2009 - 07:07pm PT
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"Still, all and all, it is an interesting question."--LB
No, really it's not--only to you, which explains the responses, toots.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Nov 30, 2009 - 07:45pm PT
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"I would tend to agree with you. I was surprised that there were as many declared GOP/conservatives as there were. I would have thought there would be much less."
Nothing but a guess since there's no way of knowing what percent of either took the poll or if they were honest or if they took it twice under different accounts.....useless
"Would you change your vote in 2009 if you could?"
09??? Democrat changing to vote Republican or vice versa.....useless
"I don't want to be a party-pooper or harsh anyone's mellow, but this poll does not necessarily tell us *anything* about the people of ST. The findings are not based on a probability sample and therefore is not necessarily generalizeable to the population of ST. It only tells us about those folks who were inclined to and who chose to participate in the survey. And those folks may or may not represent accurately ST participants.
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Spot on.
"It is not based on random selection of the participants."
Oh no, not selected, but random people taking it none the less.
"I would say the likelihood is that the women did not multiple submit"
Consistent with your many unfounded assumptions.
"My guess is that once you correct for absolute numbers..."
Absolute is absolute, there is no correcting it, except with assumption, which this poll is nothing but.
"then I would submit that you are not an independent."
And I would submit that you push the triangle on a weegee board to point to what you want.
"These are a whole lot of assumptions you are making there, apogee"
Says the pot to the kettle.
"Actually, joking aside, senior citizens are more apt to vote against Obama and his initiatives due to potential cuts to medicare."
That would be like telling people that Obama's going to cut funding for the B1B's without telling them that they're not going to be using them anymore. The funding for Medicare thats being cut would be covered in the health plan, but maybe we should pay twice for it.....drrrrrrrrrrr.
As an aside, the AARP is backing Obama.
"I consider myself a social liberal, fiscally more conservative leaning, and foreign policy?, I don't think either side has had much of a clue in the last 50 yrs. Some of my friends call me a hypocrite, I just call it eclectic, hence........Independent."
How dare you, you will be what LEB pidgeon holes as and that's that.
"life sucks then you die. Suck it up, Jack"
Your words LEB, lets see how well you walk the talk.
"I was thinking the same thing myself but I don't know if the logic is valid"
Hasn't stopped you yet.
And the winner is
ding ding ding
"maybe a better quiz would be:
are you
a) liberal
b) conservative
do you think LEB sucks?
a) yes
b no
you just might learn a little bit more about how your survey sucks ass with two simple questions.
and crimpie nailed it.
maybe another survey:
did you take LEBS survey and give incorrect answers (ie voted for bush when in reality you didn't)
a) yes
b) no
are you:
a) liberal
b) conservative
your survey and the results are meaningless (though you are more than welcome to waste braincells thinking about how it isn't).
carry on.... "
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 07:56pm PT
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Give it up, Sis, you're never gonna spin this in your own image.
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Forest
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 30, 2009 - 08:28pm PT
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I am aware of that - it is, at best, a convenience survey. It is not based on random selection of the participants. It is still interesting, none-the-less. It likely reflects the data by the persons who most actively participate and, in particular, who participated when the survey was active. Still it is interesting to look at the data.
Point #1: No, it's not at all. a self-selected double-digit sample from a site with thousands of people is completely meaningless. I'd doubt if most people even noticed the survey anyway, but even if they had, self-selected polls like this have been discredited for a very long time. really, there's nothing to see here. even if you did find the results "surprisingly" in the direction you liked.
Crimpie, one thing I believe we can conclude is that the women lurk in significant numbers.
Point #2: See point #1 above.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 30, 2009 - 08:34pm PT
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Apparently, at least one medical person here is oblivious to statistical analysis and marketing/polling theory...
Oh well, nothing new--still, it won't stop the nonsense flowing endlessly from it's arse.
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okay,whatever
Trad climber
Charlottesville, VA
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:01pm PT
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With all due respect to everyone's viewpoints, this seems to be, say, 95% noise and 5% data, based on a statistically insignificant and biased sample (those on this forum who would bother to weigh in at all). Not a bad thing to find out what people think, but this effort is not meaningful, except to stir up flames, IMHO....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:03pm PT
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5%? is ANY of this data?
Moj, we ain't in this for the science!
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Jim E
climber
away
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:33pm PT
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:51pm PT
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Lol... Too funny... I think Jay has made a pretty good, and valid (IMO) point when he noted: ...You''d hink with the high percent of college grads (I think) there are here it would skew farther left."
Yeah, you'd think..
But then again.. those of us who are above IT ALL....
We don't even participate in a political pole posted to a climbing related site....
bwahhhaaaaa
I like how Jay suggests, (honestly, this may be my own personal reading of his words) that conservatives may be lacking in the education arena...
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Jim E
climber
away
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Nov 30, 2009 - 09:52pm PT
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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Nov 30, 2009 - 10:10pm PT
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folks, I do not think you will get anywhere
by engaging in a flame war with LEB.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 10:21pm PT
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" No spin" rayeight! You're not going to save this 'data' to use to your own advantage someday? Like the next time everyone disagrees with you, you won't pull this card out and say something like, "the majority is wrong because I used science to prove that you're all bonehead commie liberals, so there, phhhhh!" or words to that effect?
I got some great dirt for you, be patient though....
Cheers!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Mare Infinitum
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Nov 30, 2009 - 10:38pm PT
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Dingus, you sound like an identity crisis. ;-)
I think you know that I know that he might know what she knows(?)
or not.
Cheers.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 10:49pm PT
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dIfferent dirt, disappointed that you didn't pick up on that inuendo. You don't need to comment, better if you don't.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 30, 2009 - 10:52pm PT
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HWD = LEB
LEB = DMT
Therefore, HWD = DMT.
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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Nov 30, 2009 - 10:57pm PT
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if you attack LEB's posts (WOS) you will start a
flame war, and further denigrate the thread.
(steve)
if you post on LEB's threads...oh well.
(yes, I just did, for a good reason, I hope)
trying to say, direct affront has proven pointless...
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Mare Infinitum
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
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Ah, but don't discount the need to slay the frickin' dragon.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:23pm PT
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i'll be in touch
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Mare Infinitum
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:25pm PT
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Little Mo goes Down.......
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Mare Infinitum
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:27pm PT
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Hmmmm.
You're
a
Real
State
Trooper.
Pshoooooow!
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:37pm PT
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Lois pisses me off sometimes, I piss her off sometimes. But I've always liked her and appreciated her being here.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:38pm PT
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LEB
No moth to a flame. I always like reading the funnies and continue to come back to them. I also like to point out the funny parts to the author that can't stand back and look at it from a different light. Sometimes total darkness even.
I good doctor doesn't give up, even when his patient has. But you call it any ole way that makes ya feel better, K?
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Mare Infinitum
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Nov 30, 2009 - 11:59pm PT
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Hey, Can I have my shoe back?
Hey Thanks, 1 Million.
Oh, I see, a cute girl & an astronaut.........A patty melt?
You get an iron cup, full of Brunswick Stew.
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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one thing though, LEB, as I am neutral on this whole thing,..
you must have known that your posting on the WOS
thread was going to draw some heat, right?
its called "boundries" - remember?
one other thing LEB, many have learned and make
a point of "overstepping" flame attacks, and staying
on topic, thus upholding the intended direction of
the thread.
this might be something to consider, eh?
as we all know where it leads when you go
into "search and destroy" mode, right?
having said that, and at the risk of being less
than neutral, trying to eliminate digression
from the human condition seems worse than
pointless.
nope, not taking sides.
Pate, those are some funny posts, and your
outrage is justified ;-)
now, I will duck into my concrete bunker and
wish you all a good evening...
cheers,
Ray
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Mare Infinitum
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We don't know that LEB IS a woman.
Supposition does not bring forth solid conclusions.
Howeird sounds male, as does Dingus.
Maybe metrosexual?
Kinda Euro, that.
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CHIPS
Trad climber
Boston
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Pate, Go to bed already, man! Or even better, get a life or at least a job! 14 hours on ST in a single day? Sad...
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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At least Pate's posts have some "flavor" and originality--sure beats 110 posts in 3 days bickering to others about the justification of being here/ and or commenting on EVERYTHING posted, said, or insinuated.
"SOMEONE's" husband is prolly glad that she is posting here, rather than yammering at HIM.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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I'm sure we enjoy it as much as he does:-)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Man this thread had turned ugly,and I thought it was bad when I, was misrepresented/slandered. Holy bar brawl, batman!
Patey post some good stuff, you know, you don't have to bleed him to feed your own egos, even of he did go over the line....
Hoh man, even more dirt.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sounds to me as if he likes you to dedicate massive amounts of time bickering with strangers--wonder why that is?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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I rest my case, ladies and gentlemen...
Don't you mean "hole"?
edit : NOW it sounds like you're a good little sub-serviant wife--good on you, dear!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Mare Infinitum
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Pffffft.
60+
Vulgar......That's funny.
Can't you read? He's from Butte!
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Pate! Yer killin' me. I'm laughing so hard! To think you are angry shows how dense she can be.
And LEB... you admit to torturing us?
You can leave now.
Again
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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'zactly, Skully...
edit: Get this, bickering between LEB and anybody constitutes a "serious discussion"...
Hehe, how sad:-(
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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one more thing...
skip, in no way does holding an individual female accountable
for her actions constitute an attack on "women".
that's bullsh*t, and you know it.
maybe the new "political correctness" really IS a totalitarian
thing?
knights in shining armor may feel like hero's, but its just
another form of male chauvinism.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Mare Infinitum
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I know a couple gals that really like when I attack them.
Just takes the right attack. Apparently, yours sux.
Fix it! (duh)
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apogee
climber
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Ever notice how LEB-ified threads lose their mojo when Lois goes to bed? It's kinda like the scrawny, obnoxious kid on the playground goes home...suddenly, everything gets real boring.
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apogee
climber
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Thanks, Skip, but I'm going to bed, too.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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oooops... wrong thread.
or is it?
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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LED = LEB = DMT = HWD
dam... I'm confused.
is that a nun?
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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skip,
that the pictorial mocking of LEB on this thread
could be construed as "degrading to all women"
seems silly to me.
we all know who the focus of this stuff was/is...
I step in sh*t, I pay.
An individual female steps in sh*t, she pays, too.
you want equality?
THAT is how you go about it.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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what's really laughable is most likely the ballot box got stuffed. On top of that the people mocking LEB were not honest with their answers.
I'd guess at least half of the 80+ "people" that voted were not honest or duplicates. That makes a worthless poll even more worthless. well... it really doesn't it wasn't worth anything in the first place.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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She's never beat out Rajmit.
And no, even if the entire ballot box got stuff it wouldn't make her a troll. The logic doesn't follow. well... it might for you I suppose. LOL!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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I suspect that the percent of Men and Women posters who dislike Lois is about the same.
It's not a sexual dimorhism issue.
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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