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Social climber
Flatland, Ca
Nov 29, 2009 - 04:31pm PT
Ed - Thanks for the anatomy of a photograph.. That's really neat....

Cool science, cool photography

Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 29, 2009 - 04:32pm PT
Ed, Can you shed some light on the folloewing?

I thought the sun and moon positions lined up every 56 years, or really close every 1c, 1c, and 18 years (first documented by the greek, Meton, giving rise to the metonic year).

Forgive any typos, it's on a blackberry where java is broken and I can't see what I rtypee at all).

Maybe the sun/moon alignments I mentioned are just applicable to the the eclipse cycles and have nothing to do wtith relative positions of the sun and moon on Earth? But there has to be a cotrelation, because Stonehenge eas built around that.

J. Werlin

Nov 29, 2009 - 04:38pm PT
It is because of guys (and gals) like Ed that we are no longer living in caves.

Thanks for the high resolution post, Ed.

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 29, 2009 - 05:27pm PT
Wow!, Ed, great post!

And to all that added to it, especially Walter,
great job!!!!!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 06:10pm PT
Adams talked about the creation of some of his most notable images in the book:
Examples The Making of 40 Photographs 1983 Trustees of the Ansel Adams Publishing Rights Trust

Little, Brown and Company
ISBN 0-8212-1750-x (paperback)

this particular image is discussed on page 132...

of course this is discussed in Adams' style... apparently he misremembered the film stock (a friend of mine has seen the original negatives) so the technical details might not quite match what actually happened. I'm sympathetic, technical record keeping is so much easier with a digital camera...

Adams considered the print to be the "performance" of the "score" which was the negative. In his metaphor, there can be many interpretations of the score, and he did re-interpret a small set of his negatives over and over again throughout his life.

The total number of images captured on negatives is much much larger, and apparently in the process of being digitally scanned to protect them for the future. Perhaps those negatives will be used for other performances. I like the metaphor, it would be wonderful to extend it to its natural conclusion.

[Edit If you get a chance to see an Ansel Adams exhibit you should do it, the chance to look at the prints "up close and personal" is wonderful, and the prints are from all periods of his career and are often different then the ones you see in books and posters.]

Nov 29, 2009 - 06:25pm PT
Sounds good. I'll check the library.

From a reader's review:

one of his iconic views of Yosemite was made after a day's hard hiking with a full size view camera, large wooden tripod, and just twelve glass plates. He suspected that he had wasted the first eleven, and had just one left for a favourite view of Half Dome.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 07:41pm PT
unfortunately it looks from the web cam to be another hazy night on the Sierra Crest...


I'll try for the December Moon...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 08:15pm PT
oops... I got the 2 azimuth direction wrong, it was North, not South, which means you wanted to go South...

I am hoping that the Moon wasn't visible because of the haze, and I didn't lead anyone astray... sorry if I did, takes me a long careful time to get it right, and I was shooting from the hip on this one....

here it is, a fuzz ball in the web cam view:

I'll go and calculate it for sure... sorry if this was a problem... it's why we publish things, to make sure we get them right, and to have people correct us when we have them wrong...

Yep, screwed up... sh#t, sorry...

so 200 m south in the Ahwahnee Meadow would have been completely doable...

Trad climber
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:04pm PT
here's my version from thanks giving afternoon, from near dinner ledge on Washington column. Not quite Ansel quality but it will do... (obviously and unfortunately not a telephoto lens)
hey - I didn't even know it was a special picture taking day

Credit: rockermike

another version

Credit: rockermike

Question for Yosemite alum; do you see the brightly lit "pillar", straight below moon, near bottom or picture, with trees on top? Anyone been there? Is it scramble-able, or roped climbing? Looks like a cool spot; I'd like to explore it.

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:38pm PT
If you are interested in the technical side of Adams' work the book mentioned earlier is great as is his book "The Negative" (it discusses previsualization, etc.).

The exhibit "Ansel Adams at 100" had a couple of images that showed how he originally printed them and then how the "famous" later prints were made. One is his famous Aspens photo. Originally he printed it light and airy. later he reprinted it and cranked up the contrast and drama. His print of Denali and Wonder Lake was the same. The original didn't have the famous "Ansel" sky. Both of the first prints were much quieter.

If you haven't seen the work in person you are really missing out. This is true of most of the greats. Books, no matter how well done, just can't compete with the real deal (especially for the non-color photographers).
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2009 - 02:23am PT
A few Half-Dome images, with the moon rising behind the clouds...

I lost a roll of B&W at the photolab due to a understandable screwup.. though these two rolls were really problems... these negatives came off the roll that broke in my camera, but film was recoverable...

...the fact that there was no moon to look at that day is a bit disappointing... but I'll chart a Half Dome-Moon campaign for the year and see what happens!
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 10, 2009 - 02:24am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#137668
Who knows, perhaps it'll be visible again on December 30th? Not a common sight around here in winter.

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Dec 10, 2009 - 02:55am PT
"oops... I got the 2 azimuth direction wrong, it was North, not South, which means you wanted to go South..."

Ed-I have a friend that lost his 85 ft schooner on a reef in the South China Sea back in the 60s over a "little" error like that. GPS has made it safer in many ways on both land and sea but with the added disadvantage that people no longer rely on basic skills of orienteering and celestial navigation or for that matter basic common sense. Good to see you working in the old mode in theory.

Wonderful thread!

Dec 10, 2009 - 03:11am PT
And Ansel Adams' Examples (of making 40 photographs) is quite interesting. The library also has his Camera book, which will probably come before The Negative and The Print, because I only use The Computer.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2009 - 09:08am PT
there are many things in The Negative and in The Print which are worth reading (though much that is specific to film).

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 10, 2009 - 10:01am PT
When I was in college I had a poster of Adams' "Half Dome and Moon" on the wall of my apartment. Stared at it often, though I was nowhere good enough to climb that face yet.

The white straight-up line of the Direct Northwest Face really stands out in the photo, so it stood out in my mind. A few years later I climbed the route, just because of that picture.

Fish do WHAT in this water???
Dec 10, 2009 - 06:35pm PT
Just found this thread--it's another awesome one, too.

Thanks Ed...and everyone else who posted fabulous images...for taking my breath away over and over again.

(Walleye...ya gots ta stop using Elmer's Glue when ya paste that big ol' fat moon on all yer photos. It oozes around the edges and doesn't look even close to real...) ;-)
the Fet

Dec 10, 2009 - 06:43pm PT
Not very off topic for a climbers forum and great thread.

Trad climber
Kennewick wa
Dec 10, 2009 - 07:18pm PT
MH2 - I think The Negative is the best of the three books if you are going to go out and shoot B&W. It is about visualizing the image and getting what you want. You can even modify the Zone System to work with digital or any film format.

Social climber
wherever you go, there you are
Oct 29, 2016 - 11:04pm PT
Dang Ed, we were just talking about this! Too bad your links are broken, it was a great trip report!
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