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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:10pm PT
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great stuff, hopefully Royal's book will speak to the climbing gear business that thrives today and currently keeps us in gear and stiches.
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rick
Social climber
california
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:15pm PT
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Cool thread. And a reminder to Sacramento area folks, Royal Robbins is scheduled to be giving a talk December 1st at ARC Raef Hall 160 12:15-1:15pm.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Nov 30, 2009 - 02:28pm PT
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i bought a pair of galbier superguide RD with some relic strap on crampons for 50 bucks years ago. i found them on the "used gear" board at REI.
i still wear them when i don't feel like limping around in my plastics.
i recognize them in a picture up thread.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 30, 2009 - 03:02pm PT
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No wonder they named it Mount Blank. It's so smooth.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:12pm PT
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Speaking of Posters-----my memory is trying to convince me there was a "Mountain Paraphernalia" poster. It was an cartoon style illustration, not a photo?
Any help out there?
Re: Robbins/Salewa carabiners: another question from me?
The only ad I found: was for the hollow tubing carabiner, which is stamped R. Robbins 3100 lbs and weighs 44 grams(the ad says 42 grams--must have picked up some extra oxygen weight over the years).
Those I sold in my store and mostly own: are a solid carabiner, that is heavier at 53 grams and is stamped R. Robbins 3000 lbs.
On both, the other side is stamped "Salewa W. Germany."
Which came first? I suspect the hollow one? Was there a problem with it?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 30, 2009 - 10:34pm PT
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Just a note to you all. Tamara Robbins, RR and Liz's first child now in her thirties, has been doing the RR archives for some time, so a bunch of this is actually being preserved. It is a disappointment of course that she does not chime in here. Perhaps she will. It is great stuff.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 10:56pm PT
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Thanks Peter: I should probably do "the disclaimer." The only reason I did all the research was genuine curiosity, along with a sense that "Mountain Paraphernalia" deserved a place in climbing history.
I think that more information on "Mountain Paraphernalia" (other than that presented in "Spirit of the Age") needs to be preserved. I have not read the first of Royal's autobiography series. From the summary I looked at: it was all climbing.
Best wishes to Royal and Liz!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2009 - 01:06pm PT
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The only Laprade ad I found. I can't find any information about this manufacturer. There apparently are a few of their ice axes out there, but I don't think the company is still around?
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4damages
climber
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Thank you Fritz,
I have court deadlines this week for 12-8-09 for 1-25-10.
Depending it could be 1-2 hrs. and I have to travel to the resources.
I do have a rate based upon CA. Labor Code 515.5. I should only
need the case name if the case was published. Let me know if the
rate is excepted and not to exceed 2hrs.
I should only need the case name if the case was published. If not
published research would then probably exceed 2hrs.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2009 - 08:08pm PT
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4 Damages: Please cease your research on this proposed project.
Are you sending me a bill for the time it took you to skim through the thread, or just for the time it took you to compose two emails?
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4damages
climber
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A hand written retainer would be required prior to research if I don't know
you personally. If your a corporation I may not be able to research as it
could cause a cease and decease order in this state. Of course no billing at
this time.
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Tamara Robbins
climber
not a climber, just related...
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Hi all... haven't checked in here in awhile. And only caught the last bit of this thread, though will diligently read it all this eve. Yes, I have access to TONS of historical material - part of which is old ad slicks of Galibier, etc. Fun stuff. Perhaps send me a personal message with any requests? Meantime, I'll look through what I have in Moab (most is in Modesto) and see what I can come up with.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2009 - 09:51pm PT
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Tamara: Thanks for joining in. I have emailed you.
I appreciate you have much material to work with.
The easy questions (for you) from this thread are:
1. Was there a separate entity at Mountain Parphernalia for the book distribution business? Anders has suggested “Mountain Letters” and my memories agree there was a separate name for books.
2. Was there a "Mountain Paraphernalia" poster. I remember a cartoon style illustration, not a photo?
Thank you for joining in to save this history. Fritz
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4damages
climber
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Fritz,
I to would like to see the history and business keep going. Appears
RR is still listed as incorporated, though I have not checked the SoS
status here. http://www.royalrobbins.com/
A LLC entity I believe can also succeed in this state without a cease and
decease order, though I believe they had a monthly rate to keep the entity status.
Do you remember a carbiner failure due to vibration occurring from air voyager
stitches down to the last one? However I still do trust some metallurgy and
rope fiber physics from Europe more so than I do from here and Mexico.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2009 - 10:28pm PT
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4damages: Let us cease your attempted extraction of legal & litigation information on this thread: much like Sheridan Anderson would have us cease the extraction of other, but similar, icky substances.
OK?
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4damages
climber
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That's not what I am doing. The failure mentioned was made public years
ago, also I realize that non administrative math may not fit into this
states preclusion for administrative technology being defined as a
privileged exemption and trade secret.
I was just curious if this failure was part of her history books/ mags
etc. as I wanted to read the story again.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2009 - 11:40pm PT
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Moving on from the “extraction of mucous”
As I mentioned: I have very few old issues of Climbing from the early 1980’s, having cast my climbing magazine dice with Mountain and Off Belay----and of course my yearly fix of “Ascent-The Sierra Club Journal of Mountaineering.”
The newest (least old?) ad I have found for climbing gear from Robbins: is from “Climbing” in September 1981.
Anyone have an old Clan Robertson harness?
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Modesto Mutant
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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For what it's worth my Modesto buddies told me Royal sold the brand name (Royal Robbins) to another Motown guy who owns a chain of restaurants called "Mallards". I don't know if it's true or not.
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Royal Robbins
Trad climber
Modesto, California
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Hi, everyone. Tamara alerted me that something was afoot on SuperTopo. I think a history of the business is wonderful. I love seeing those old ads. I don't remember that we were ever sued for an equipment failure. That happened (I believe) to Yvon Chouinard and he (I understand) started Patagonia as a result. As far as I can remember, we started the clothing business because we were piggy-backing on the great success of Esprit and Doug and Susie Tompkins, who helped us get started. "Mountain Letters" was what we called our publishing and distributing business. I think we expected checks to be made out to "Mountain Paraphernalia", or, later, to just "Robbins". We changed the name to "Robbins Mountain Paraphernalia" and later to "Robbins Mountain Gear" to make it easier for our customers to make payments to "Robbins". Also, there was the name recognition factor. We thought "Robbins" carried more cache (sp?)than "Mountain Paraphernalia".
Thanks to all of you for making the past come alive. I am not going to mention specific names for fear of leaving someone out, but you guys and gals are in my heart, so thanks again.
I will contribute more as I see the need to respond (that is, I will go through the thread again and comment when I think I have something useful to say.
Best,
Royal Robbins
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2009 - 08:09pm PT
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Royal: Thank you so much for joining in. One missing item in this thread is a Mountain Paraphernalia catalog. I brought that request up to SuperTopo readers early on in the thread and nothing surfaced.
If you have any in your archives, we would all love to see a page by page scan.
Also, I have persistant memories of a Mountain Paraphernalia poster that was an illustration, rather than a photo. Am I imagining that one existed?
Best wishes! Fritz (ex-proprietor Northwestern Mountain Sports-Moscow, Idaho)
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