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Fritz

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 07:53pm PT
Thanks all for posting.

June 1979----the name change to Robbins Mountaingear: shows up in an ad in Off Belay.

Robbins Mountaingear Off Belay June, 1979
Robbins Mountaingear Off Belay June, 1979
Credit: Fritz
Modesto Mutant

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Nov 29, 2009 - 08:06pm PT
I don't recall if Royal had a name for the book distribution. But there was a ton of books, all of them for general retail distribution. I would be surprised if any other wholesaler had as many. Freedom of the Hills, classic Himalayan expeditions, Joe Brown, Bonnington, Rowell, Scott, Messner. It was also the main distribution of Mountain Magazines.

I see Royal posting on here now and then, we could just ask him, or Peter Haan would likely know.

The other great part of working at MP was shipping the goods to virtually every mountain shop in the country. There were these metal plates with the store names and addresses. Neptune, Elephant's Perch, REI Seattle, EMS, and obscure stores in places you would never expect like Normal, Illinois. On hot friday afternoon days when we were grinding away we would talk Royal into buying us beer just to keep us going. All great fun.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 29, 2009 - 09:20pm PT
Fritz, do you have any idea where that picture is from on the name change ad?
Fritz

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2009 - 09:42pm PT
Pate: Easy answer that covers a lot of turf. The Edelrid ad photo is of Mt. Blanc.

Note below full-page ad from Off Belay with Edelrid poster Offer.
From Off Belay, August 1980
From Off Belay, August 1980
Credit: Fritz
Fritz

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 12:15pm PT
Robbins kept up a "torrid pace" of ads in Off Belay in 1979, but there were not many in 1980. This may be because Off Belay was nearing its end. Last issue for the magazine was Feb. 1981.

However, I didn't find any Robbins ads in Mountain after Jan. 1979. The brands he imported are still advertising there, but Robbins is not mentioned as U.S. importer. That however, was typical of ads in Mountain by: Edelrid, Salewa, and some other Euro companies.

I do not have many old issues of "Climbing" so I don't know if the amount of Robbins ads in that magazine kept pace with those in Off Belay.


Ultimate Helmets, Off Belay, August 1980
Ultimate Helmets, Off Belay, August 1980
Credit: Fritz
4damages

climber
Nov 30, 2009 - 12:25pm PT
Some great history.

I thought RR was a incorporated business as of 2008? I have not
checked lately.

Are there still records of the court case? If so are they available
with the causes of action or actions?
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 01:06pm PT
I loved my RR's, you could edge on nothing and a toe-in jam crack, like Georges Tree at the Book on Lumpy, could be done easily while all of your EB brothers were crying in pain.....smearing....not so good.

Bouldering Taylor Canyon Gunnison
Bouldering Taylor Canyon Gunnison
Credit: ydpl8s
Fritz

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 01:53pm PT
4damages: I did not mean to leave the impression that Royal Robbins went out of business in 1982. They stopped importing climbing gear and concentrated on their own clothing line thereafter. Royal & Liz have not been owners since (I think) 2003.

If you would be so kind as to reseach and post info on the lawsuit Pat Ament brings up---that would be great!

Ydpl8s: Glad you loved your RR's. Since you bring up the pain of EB's---here's a classic Neeley cartoon from Off Belay.

From Dec. 1980 Off Belay----the next to last issue.
From Dec. 1980 Off Belay----the next to last issue.
Credit: Fritz

Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:10pm PT
great stuff, hopefully Royal's book will speak to the climbing gear business that thrives today and currently keeps us in gear and stiches.

rick

Social climber
california
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:15pm PT
Cool thread. And a reminder to Sacramento area folks, Royal Robbins is scheduled to be giving a talk December 1st at ARC Raef Hall 160 12:15-1:15pm.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 30, 2009 - 02:28pm PT
i bought a pair of galbier superguide RD with some relic strap on crampons for 50 bucks years ago. i found them on the "used gear" board at REI.

i still wear them when i don't feel like limping around in my plastics.

i recognize them in a picture up thread.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Nov 30, 2009 - 03:02pm PT
No wonder they named it Mount Blank. It's so smooth.

Fritz

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 09:12pm PT
Speaking of Posters-----my memory is trying to convince me there was a "Mountain Paraphernalia" poster. It was an cartoon style illustration, not a photo?

Any help out there?

Re: Robbins/Salewa carabiners: another question from me?

The only ad I found: was for the hollow tubing carabiner, which is stamped R. Robbins 3100 lbs and weighs 44 grams(the ad says 42 grams--must have picked up some extra oxygen weight over the years).

Those I sold in my store and mostly own: are a solid carabiner, that is heavier at 53 grams and is stamped R. Robbins 3000 lbs.

On both, the other side is stamped "Salewa W. Germany."

Which came first? I suspect the hollow one? Was there a problem with it?

hollow Robbins/Salewa carabiner on bottom, solid one on top
hollow Robbins/Salewa carabiner on bottom, solid one on top
Credit: Fritz

Tami

Social climber
Vancouver, Canada
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:29pm PT
Some remote part of my brain recalls the hollow ones being Death Biners. Was this 'cos they became weak if used in 'biner breaks? If I recall correctly it was this - when a biner is used in a break and the rope is gritty, the biner gets worn..........and this wear with those hollow 'biners made them subject to catastrophic failure.

Or should I sit in the car ?
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Nov 30, 2009 - 10:34pm PT
Just a note to you all. Tamara Robbins, RR and Liz's first child now in her thirties, has been doing the RR archives for some time, so a bunch of this is actually being preserved. It is a disappointment of course that she does not chime in here. Perhaps she will. It is great stuff.
Fritz

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2009 - 10:56pm PT
Thanks Peter: I should probably do "the disclaimer." The only reason I did all the research was genuine curiosity, along with a sense that "Mountain Paraphernalia" deserved a place in climbing history.

I think that more information on "Mountain Paraphernalia" (other than that presented in "Spirit of the Age") needs to be preserved. I have not read the first of Royal's autobiography series. From the summary I looked at: it was all climbing.

Best wishes to Royal and Liz!
Fritz

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2009 - 01:06pm PT
The only Laprade ad I found. I can't find any information about this manufacturer. There apparently are a few of their ice axes out there, but I don't think the company is still around?

LaPrade ad from Off Belay June 1980
LaPrade ad from Off Belay June 1980
Credit: Fritz
4damages

climber
Dec 1, 2009 - 07:57pm PT
Thank you Fritz,
I have court deadlines this week for 12-8-09 for 1-25-10.

Depending it could be 1-2 hrs. and I have to travel to the resources.
I do have a rate based upon CA. Labor Code 515.5. I should only
need the case name if the case was published. Let me know if the
rate is excepted and not to exceed 2hrs.

I should only need the case name if the case was published. If not
published research would then probably exceed 2hrs.
Fritz

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2009 - 08:08pm PT
4 Damages: Please cease your research on this proposed project.

Are you sending me a bill for the time it took you to skim through the thread, or just for the time it took you to compose two emails?
4damages

climber
Dec 1, 2009 - 09:27pm PT
A hand written retainer would be required prior to research if I don't know
you personally. If your a corporation I may not be able to research as it
could cause a cease and decease order in this state. Of course no billing at
this time.
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