The Rock And Ice Club of Manchester- Whillans & Brown 1951

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Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Sep 25, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
Stevie Grossman, I think it is time you write up a macro to bump all your threads in one fell swoop whenever necessary, dontcha think? Then hack a button on to Supertopo. This hunting and pecking around must be lengthy and tedious every day. Imagine a button up on the top of the page along with Home, Climbing Areas, Climbing Routes, Guidebooks, Free Topos, Photos, Gear and Forums that was "Grossman" or "bumpage"--- a button any of us could click on to get totally bumped up on all the stuff as it flushes through page 2,3,4,5,6 and so forth. Love it.

Then came the Grossman quickie quizzes every Monday morning....

Reminder Pilgrims: Read the Jim Perrin biography of Whillans; its extremely good!
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Sep 25, 2010 - 10:57pm PT
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2010 - 11:19pm PT
Please sponsor a promising Bump...with assistance it could become a grand thread...someday!

Nice Eiger shot!
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Sep 25, 2010 - 11:23pm PT
By the way Pilgrims. Jim Herrington just had a photoshoot with Bonnington. I haven't seen anything from it yet but I am curious. JH was over there also photographing Doug Scott, apparently.

What a class difference in that shot just above!
BooDawg

Social climber
Polynesian Paralysis
Sep 26, 2010 - 04:48am PT
Thanks Alan Rubin (and Peter) for putting the working class context of Whillans' and Brown's climbs into proper perspective.

Was it Tom Patey who wrote these lyrics that I once heard Bugs McKeith sing around a campfire in C4?

I'm a climber; I'm a climber from Manchester way.
I get's all me pleasures the rock-climbing way.
I may be a work-slave on Monday,
But I am a free man on Sunday.

Hey Steve, how about a post about Tom Patey (One Man's Mountain) and perhaps some of the songs that reflected the climbing in the UK?
cleggy

Trad climber
Derby, UK
Sep 26, 2010 - 07:44am PT
"I'm a climber; I'm a climber from Manchester way" - based on The Manchester Rambler by Ewan MacColl, father of Kirsty.
Also, Joe Brown, The Human Fly, 80 today.
Proud, as they say
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2010 - 10:53am PT
Twenty little fingers and twenty little toes...Patey was an honorary R & I member, I bet!
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Sep 26, 2010 - 12:18pm PT
Happy Birthday to Joe!

When I spent several weeks in Britain the summer of 1977 with RMuir and Gib L., Al Harris asked if we wanted to go climbing with Joe Brown. Of course, we had read the "The Hard Years," and we had done Cenotaph Corner on our first day in Wales. So, we jumped at the chance to climb with a bona fide climbing legend. In Britain, Joe was a celebrity and made a good living from climbing.

Al arranged a sea cliff outing which I previously described in this thread:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=404147&msg=404289#msg404289

We piled into Brown's car to head over from Al's house to Holyhead. As I recall, the car was a luxury sedan of some sort, not a climber's car at all. Brown had recently received an OBE or a knighthood, or something like that, and had attended a ceremony where the Queen of England had bestowed the award.

As he drove, Joe related to us in the back seat the story of his meeting with the Queen. When one is introduced to the monarch, there are apparently protocols for addressing her, "Your Highness" etc.

When Brown was introduced, he gave the Queen a friendly,

"How do? "

His wife hissed at him afterwards,

"You don't say "How do" to the Queen!"
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2010 - 12:29pm PT
Too funny, Ricky!

One of my favorite shots of Tom and Joe.


John Cleare photo.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2011 - 09:08pm PT
I knew that I would eventually strike gold and when I cracked open a copy of Welsh Rock, Trevor Jones and Geoff Milburn's superb 1986 historical survey, bingo! This is the best history involving Brown and Whillans that I have come across. The Baron and the Villain!









































































Brunosafari

Boulder climber
OR
Jul 15, 2011 - 11:27am PT
Thanks Steve Grossman, I can't wait to read through this! And the type has greater clarity than past historical postings-- my peepers appreciate whatever upgrade you might have installed. -Bruce
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jul 15, 2011 - 11:39am PT
Damn you Mr Grossman, I have work to do!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 15, 2011 - 11:50am PT
The Girdle Traverse was our inspiration when we (Givler,Marts,and sundry followers)
put up The Maidenform Girdle Traverse at Castle Rock in Leavenworth.
To further the experience only bad British accents were allowed.
Some of the Mountaineers present were not amused.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2011 - 12:34pm PT
The resolution issues went away with my concern about file size quite a while ago...
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jul 15, 2011 - 12:38pm PT
I can't believe It's a Girdle in JT had a similar inspiration.
Alan Rubin

climber
Amherst,MA.
Jul 15, 2011 - 04:26pm PT
There are a fair number of other books and articles that have good insights into and anecdotes about Brown, Whillans, and the Rock and Ice. Once of the best is Rope Boy by Dennis Gray, who was, as the title suggests, an "apprentice" with the Rock and Ice during their glory years, and is a good story-teller as well. Rock Climbers in Action in Snowdonia by Tony Smythe and John Cleare also contains some good Rock and Ice stories as well as a wonderful collection of black and white photos by Cleare. Both these books are out-of-print, though potentially findable on Amazon or in used book stores. Unfortunately I don't have the capability or the ability to scan them myself. Maybe Steve or someone else so able will do the honors.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2011 - 04:33pm PT
Regretably, those titles aren't in my holdings at present nor is The Black Cliff. Others lurk who may get inspired to add to this thread. Welsh Rock was only a printing of 500 copies (according to one listing) so I figured that most folks hadn't seen it before. Great book!
frog-e

Trad climber
Imperial Beach California
Jul 15, 2011 - 04:54pm PT
Cool stuff Steve!
O.D.

Trad climber
LA LA Land
Jul 15, 2011 - 05:11pm PT
Brown, Whillans, and their close compatriots were often referred to as the original Hard Men, and for good reason. Thanks, Steve, for refreshing our memories. Makes me a little nostalgic for my old Whillans Harness...well...almost -- it was terribly uncomfortable by today's standards, but a huge improvement over a web swami, or worse, a coiled goldline swami.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2011 - 05:15pm PT
The Family Jewels will appreciate the forebearence...LOL
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