Will Colorado be the first state to legalize it?

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billygoat

climber
cruzville
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 13, 2009 - 11:34pm PT
Anomaly or the beginning of a trend?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/14smoking.html?_r=1&hp
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Nov 14, 2009 - 12:16am PT
Lockers visit will be a portense, a harbringer known but to God and the glueman downstairs.


PS... locker... before you leave, you need to hang out wif mee!!!
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Nov 14, 2009 - 12:17am PT
For that Rocky Mountain high?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 14, 2009 - 12:27am PT
Those rednecks?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 14, 2009 - 12:29am PT
It was legal in Alaska, for a while.

Colorado is racing for second.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 14, 2015 - 08:21pm PT
yes
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 14, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
It was legal in Alaska, for a while.

Colorado is racing for second.

Yeah for quite a while..then the FEDS bent the legislature over the highway funding barrel...
zBrown

Ice climber
Dec 14, 2015 - 08:36pm PT
Where is my post
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 28, 2016 - 08:22pm PT
I tried to buy legal cannabis in Oregon today - and got shut out!

I was looking for edibles ( I don't pay for smoking weed for the same reason I don't pay for avocados ) The place said they can't sell recreational edibles until they get their license updated, which will happen some time in the next couple days.

The guy did ask me if I was medical. I told him I needed it to treat my male pattern baldness affliction. ( worth a try )

He asked how that was working out. I said I wasn't growing any hair back, but it sure eases my suffering whenever I have to look at myself in a mirror.

Washington is on tomorrow's schedule. I guess I'll just have to suffer until then.
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
May 28, 2016 - 08:52pm PT
Actually, it's legal enough in Alaska:

http://norml.org/laws/item/alaska-penalties

Well, no, not legal enough: legal enough would be no more question about your right to smoke a plant than if you have the right to eat carrots. You own your body. And responsibility for it, of course.

That might be legal enough.
(I am obviously channeling Doug, as I sit in our room, where his desk used to be.)

back to admiring the clouds,
feralfae
jogill

climber
Colorado
May 28, 2016 - 09:40pm PT
I live in Pueblo West, CO, a municipality about ten miles west of the city of Pueblo. PW voted no on the amendment that legalized sales in the state, but the city voted yes. Now there are about 12 outlets in our small community and no outlets in Pueblo - and the revenue generated here goes into the county pot, where it is distributed around, quite a bit going to the crime-ridden city of Pueblo and not much coming back out here where the money was made. Our streets and roads need funding, but we don't get our share of the tax money.

Not only that but something like 15 homes have been raided in PW, a relatively safe community of about 38,000, in the past month for massive illegal grows, many rented by some sort of syndicate in Denver and out of state. Most of those arrested are from Florida where the illegal stuff goes and a couple from Russia who drove here from NYC.

There is a drive now to place an amendment on the county ballot to eliminate legal pot in the county - and I will vote to do so, even though I originally voted for legal sales. I never expected so much illegal activity here when pot was for sale in so many places. Live and learn. Let this be a lesson in the unanticipated consequences of legalizing pot.

Denver, where it's legal in much of the city, is booming, however, with housing prices soaring.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 28, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
I'll bet one of the selling points of the legalization initiative was that it would free up police resources to go after real crime. But it seems like the police are busier than ever enforcing "legal" marijuana laws.

The only smart legalization would be to simply repeal ALL the marijuana laws. And replace them with ... nothing.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 29, 2016 - 06:17am PT
Fascinating perspective and insights Jogill.

This will never be an issue here behind the Zion curtain
couchmaster

climber
May 29, 2016 - 08:06am PT

Chaz, thanks for the laugh! Sorry to hear of the issues Jgill. You might look at Oregon and Washington as models. It was decriminalized (with different rules for each state) and is working out great. I've got a dispensary a few blocks away from me now and there has been no trouble that I'm aware of caused by it. Perhaps the reverse. The good news is my friends that indulge, and who are honorable and honest to a fault, no longer face arrest, or worse, for it.

Long over due. Eventually it will all sort itself out.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
May 29, 2016 - 08:34am PT
"Let this be a lesson in the unanticipated consequences of legalizing pot."




Bullsh#t! This is exactly what the damn yankees want. Legal here, not legal there. Prices through the roof for something that would grow in the yard. They always have been and always will be about money!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
May 29, 2016 - 08:35am PT
Chaz...A local LEO lamented that our jails are less crowded because of decriminalization...And i wonder if Florida and the rest of the states were decriminalized would the problems in Pueblo West be happening...?
jogill

climber
Colorado
May 30, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
Update & corrections:

A Denver Post article in todays paper adds several interesting factoids. DEA has identified 186 large-scale illegal grows in El Paso County, a few miles north of Pueblo, trafficking products to the Midwest and East Coast, some going into Mexico. In the 1980s the THC concentration was up to 11 percent coming from Mexico. Colorado now has 30 percent and up to 60 percent in hash oil. A single plant can produce products valued at up to $7,000 in Arkansas and New York.

Since the beginning of April Swat and DEA have raided 23 illegal grows in Pueblo County, arresting 35 people - 26 out of state and with ties to Florida. Six were Cuban nationals. There are ties to cartels. A DEA official stated that "Afghanistan is the source country for heroin . . . you [Colorado] are the source state for marijuana"

The city of Colorado Springs is tracking drugs to "well-funded organized crime operations."

None of this has made a substantial impact on the citizens of Pueblo or El Paso Counties, since all raids and arrests have been non-violent. Apparently the cartels and syndicates have a policy where growers are told to surrender peacefully and accept their punishments. Then the crime organizations buy several more homes and begin again.

$25,000 from pot taxes in PW ere recently given to Pueblo to send the homeless back to where thay came from - one way bus tickets. Some come here hoping to work in the trade, not realizing that this goal takes effort and time. Even then salaries are not much more than $7 to $15 an hour. And you have to be licensed by the state.

I suspect some of these problems arise from the wording of the state amendment allowing recreational pot to be sold and used. Counties and municiplaities were allowed to opt out of this legality if they voted to do so. So, Colorado is a patch-work of legal/non-legal areas.

And then there is the problem of businesses arranging with a bank for processing of monies: it's not happening, due to federal regulations. So there is an awful lot of cash around, guarded by security personnel.

All in all, think twice about the issue.
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
May 30, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
jogill, sir,
Is it not worthy of some consideration that your prohibitionist remarks might be merely a reflection of political and corporate indoctrination, no less than was used during alcohol prohibition? Body ownership should not be a question, although it often is a pet subject of those humans who seek control over other humans. (Apart from defending against the initiation of force, I mean.)

Perhaps the government-licensed press needs to enhance circulation with sensationalist reports, while the government agencies need to justify their existence and bloated budgets by inculcating as much fear as possible in non-questioning minds. The facts may be factual, but the underlying story might be quite far from what we are led to believe. Why this town? Why now? How many other towns are thus besieged for the same attributed reason?

Might there be another agenda not being considered?

(channeling Doug again, I imagine, up here in Fairybanks)

Just a thought.
Thank you.
Feralfae
overwatch

climber
Arizona
May 30, 2016 - 06:09pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ great post
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
May 30, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
. . . your prohibitionist remarks might be merely a reflection of political and corporate indoctrination . . . (ff)


I'm no prohibitionist. And I haven't been brainwashed. I would prefer there be no limitations on growth & consumption, provided crime levels dropped. And Colorado is an experiment allowed by the Obama administration. I do put a certain amount of faith in the accuracy of the Denver Post. The Pueblo Chieftain is another matter. In the past scandals in Pueblo County have been first reported in the Post, then the Chieftain.

I doubt there is a conspiracy, but I'm sure there are some who would agree with you.
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