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Lituya
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Dec 19, 2018 - 10:53pm PT
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Unfortunately, they're all moving up here to Washington State--and rapidly turning it into the same congested overtaxed liberal shithole they left.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 20, 2018 - 10:49am PT
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Geeeeezzz, hmmmmmmm, I wonder which political party runs the state of California? Oh, that's right! The same party you vote for--over and over and over.
You people are insane.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Dec 20, 2018 - 10:53am PT
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The estimates now stand at $20bil and we all know this Delta killing machine would in the end probably cost northward of $40 bil.
Why do you think it would be a "Delta killing machine"?
The current pumping regime is frequently limited by environmental issues based on both Fed/State law and regulations. The new tunnels would be subject to all of the same laws/regulations.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Dec 20, 2018 - 10:55am PT
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Geeeeezzz, hmmmmmmm, I wonder which political party runs the state of California? Oh, that's right! The same party you vote for--over and over and over.
You people are insane.
I am far from gung-ho about the Democrats. But the lessor of two evils is still the lessor of two evils.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Dec 20, 2018 - 11:37am PT
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It amazes me how we throw our money away. Why are we paying so much more than it was estimated? Corruption or incompetence, or both?
New Bay Bridge supposed to cost $250M, the final bill was 6.5B. A 26x increase.
Insane.
Whether you are talking about a kitchen remodel or building a new aircraft carrier, low-balling and costs overrun have been around for centuries.
It is sad that the country struggles so much to build any sort of infrastructure at anything close to a reasonable cost.
The low cost approach for the new bridge was for something that looked like an over sized highway entrance ramp. Nobody claimed a signature bridge could be built for that. And I thought the low cost estimate was $750M not $250M. And its not like that bridge would not have cost overruns also.
I wasn't knee-jerk opposed to the signature bridge idea. If local politicians approved it and local commuters paid for it. But I don't like the looks of the new bridge and it cost a ridiculous amoount. I don't think the bay area got their money's worth.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Dec 20, 2018 - 11:38am PT
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The entire purpose of the tunnels is to enable southern water users to take more water out of the Sacramento river. That increased supply will create increased demand in SoCal in the form of more houses - houses that cannot be recalled or "taken out of production" in the next extended drought.
The spice will flow. The delta will die.
The vast majority of the water that flows south goes to agriculture. That most certainly can be "taken out of production" in the next extended drought.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 20, 2018 - 11:53am PT
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Actually, the big gorillas in the room in SoCal, Orange and LA Counties, are on track to drastically reduce their use of distant water.
San Diego will want it. Imperial Valley will want it, the growers in the Central Valley certainly want it.
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