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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 10, 2015 - 05:02pm PT
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Since I'm currently missing the "world's biggest" Tucson Gem & Mineral Show," I thought it might be fun to start another geology thread.
Golden Barite BaSO4(also spelled Baryte) crystals from the Meikle gold Mine, Elko Co, NV.
Ain't they purty!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2015 - 05:18pm PT
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A Gud question. I fully expect rocks without pedigrees, cliffs, mountains, music, & whatever might be related in the minds of those attending.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Feb 10, 2015 - 05:19pm PT
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gigantic 500,000 year old Selenite, Naica caves, N. Mexico, Chihuahua.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2015 - 05:21pm PT
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Depending on the answer to that question, this could be OT... But I like it!
Edit, whew, on topic after all :)
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Feb 10, 2015 - 05:55pm PT
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Wow, Peter.. Isn't that where Superman comes from??
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thebravecowboy
climber
just banana-jam it
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Feb 10, 2015 - 05:57pm PT
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Cinnabar, HgS, sometimes used as a red pigment in tattooing. No thanks on that.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Feb 10, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
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Nice Barite!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 10, 2015 - 06:17pm PT
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Fine Quartzite
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 10, 2015 - 07:08pm PT
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2015 - 07:20pm PT
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Fine rocks all! Thanks for sharing!
T Hocking. I see limestone cliffs & a limestone cave on an island. Otherwise, I'm stumped.
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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Feb 10, 2015 - 07:31pm PT
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I won't tell tad. :)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 10, 2015 - 07:38pm PT
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Since I'm currently missing the "world's biggest" Tucson Gem & Mineral Show," I thought it might be fun to start another geology thread.
And since I, too, am not in Tucson where I'd intended to be this week, I think it might be fun to post to your geology thread...
Can anybody give me a clue about what's going on (geologically speaking) here?
And for scale:
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2015 - 07:48pm PT
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Ghost! Thanks for posting. To call the inner chunk of rock "an inclusion" is not enough.
Looks like a chunk of limestone or maybe dolomite, that has survived being surrounded by other sedimentary rocks.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Feb 10, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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Eldorado sandstone
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Feb 10, 2015 - 07:54pm PT
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Feb 10, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2015 - 11:58am PT
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Bronchanite, a copper mineral Cu4(SO4)(OH6), from the Milpillis Mine, Cananea, Sonora,Mexico. Both the bright green crystals & the larger dark crystals are Bronchanite. When I look through the dark crystals in bright light, they are a slightly deeper green.
I do like the color!
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Roxy
Trad climber
CA Central Coast
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Feb 17, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
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from Redding it's 15 min. drive on 5 and 10 minutes in a boat.
don't forget about the sketchy bus ride up...
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Feb 17, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
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Thanks for the cool thread and great crystals!
Tucson was awesome, as usual. Anyone who is into crystals or fossils or rocks in general should plan to go down there sometime for the February show.
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Under Achiever
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Feb 17, 2015 - 01:11pm PT
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This is way more fun than talking about power drills. Seriously.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Flank of the Big Horns
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Feb 17, 2015 - 01:43pm PT
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Diorite "Brick", N. Face Steeple Pk., Wind River Range
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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Feb 17, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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Lepidolite crystal...I love the geometry of this thing.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
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Locker! Re your comment: Not having read the OP, first page, or pretty much anyone's comments...
I foolishly thought this was about climbing...
All types of rock are welcome. However, Congrats for the first "butt-shot" on this thread.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 17, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
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Nothin' fancy.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 17, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
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perfect thread idea!
torbenite
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Feb 17, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
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Did somebody yell "Rock"?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2015 - 06:43pm PT
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A "fairly rare" Idaho mineral, dark blue Vivianite (hydrated iron phosphate) translucent crystals from the Blackbird Mine. Unfortunately this "middle of nowhere" central Idaho mine is not currently open to collectors.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Tuscon Gem Show....I know that the climbing commmunity was well represented with the presence of Jimmy Dunn.....gem miner extraordinaire!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 10, 2015 - 11:58am PT
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Here's another "fairly-rare" Idaho copper mineral.
Cyanotrichite from the Junction Mining District, near the hamlet of Leadore.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 10, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 10, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
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Nice bowling alley, Naitch!
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Mar 10, 2015 - 01:35pm PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 10, 2015 - 01:39pm PT
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A cool hunk o' quartz at the base of Fitzroy, or is it Fritzroy?
Cool rocks at Tierra del Fuego Nat Park.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Mar 10, 2015 - 01:40pm PT
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Caymanite, on Cayman Brac
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 10, 2015 - 01:48pm PT
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WyoRockMan
climber
Flank of the Big Horns
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Mar 10, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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Mar 10, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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That caymanite is amazing, Chiloe.
Now for something sparkly...
Edit: Whoa WyoRockMan--that's coooooool! ^^^^
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Mar 10, 2015 - 03:00pm PT
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Some rocks from the wife and I's Valentines Day trip. I figured that instead of buying her gems, I would show her how to get her own. We had a blast!
Red and white jasper from Goldfield, and turquoise from the Royston mines in Tonopah.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 10, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
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Great rocks all. I like those stacked "temporal sculptures" & I'm jealous of the other rocks being posted.
Gneiss Work!
Caymanite! I hiked around under those cliffs on a long-ago, fish/snorkel/eat/drink/swim, Cayman Brac adventure, but never noticed anything that showy. Guess I need to go back.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Mar 11, 2015 - 09:28am PT
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By popular request, some more Caymanite:
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Mar 11, 2015 - 05:08pm PT
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Stone, rock… What's the difference?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 12, 2015 - 07:27am PT
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Dingus,
I seem to remember 8K. I thought it was the bomb, but the SO thought I was a bit looney.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2015 - 10:00am PT
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There are some nice rocks in Idaho's Sawtooth Mountains.
Some are smaller & shiny like this smoky quartz I found while climbing there in the 1970's.
Mineral collecting in the Sawtooths has been illegal since 1991.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Flank of the Big Horns
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Mar 17, 2015 - 02:26pm PT
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Leopard Rock (actually a porphyritic gabbro) from the Bighorn Mountains WY.
A relatively rare outcrop right in the back yard! Whoot!
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Mar 17, 2015 - 02:58pm PT
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Is mica the stuff that flakes really thin and is a little flexible?
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Mar 17, 2015 - 03:04pm PT
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Mar 17, 2015 - 03:05pm PT
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2015 - 04:22pm PT
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limpingcrab: I not worth schist at IDing minerals from photos, but it doesn't look like mica, but------there's a lot of mica minerals I'm not familiar with.
Your description (Is that the stuff that flakes really thin and is a little flexible?) is correct for the most common mica minerals.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
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Dendrites are often mistaken for fossils. I found these at an old mine in the Utah desert back in the 1980's. They form when water rich in manganese flows along fractures and bedding planes between layers of rock, depositing dendritic crystals as the solution flows through. A variety of manganese oxides and hydroxides are involved.
This one may have been the piece I split off the first rock shown. The white spots on the edges mark rock-pick strikes.
This is from the same mine, but without the spectacular colors.
This is one I found in Idaho's Lemhi Range at about 10,000' & left behind. The rock is Dolomite.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Flank of the Big Horns
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Mar 31, 2015 - 08:30am PT
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Here is a rarity.
The silvery colored mineral is Braggite (Platinum-Palladium-Nickle Sulfide) surrounded by chalcopyrite in an anorthosite matrix.
From the Stillwater Complex in south central Montana.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Mar 31, 2015 - 08:52am PT
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 31, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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THIS JUST IN wow^ ^ ^ ^ ^.
This just in too
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2015 - 01:36pm PT
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Great rocks folks! Rock on & rock out!
Speaking of the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show, I found some photos of Brazilian quartz crystals posing there with Heidi & me a few years back.
The Brazilians did not like me bouldering on their crystals.
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Jones in LA
Mountain climber
Tarzana, California
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Mar 31, 2015 - 01:54pm PT
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Maybe not the purtyest rock, but it has a fascinating origin. I collected this sample from an underground coal mine on the island of Sumatra, Indonesia. The mine was originally opened by Japanese occupiers during WWII using local, forced labor. The coal here is a "Meta" Anthracite, because it was originally a sub-bituminous coal until being quickly transformed to Anthracite by nearby volcanic activity. Its thermal content went from 8,000 Btu/lb to 14,000+ Btu/lb in a geological instant. This coal is extremely hard and when you carry loose pieces in a bag they sound like obsidian shards as they clink together.
(the holes are the result of collecting samples for geotechnical testing)
Rich Jones
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Mar 31, 2015 - 02:49pm PT
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Unfortunately not my crystal, allegedly it is valued at over $250,000
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2015 - 12:11pm PT
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I'm afraid these photos are not going to look as good as the above crystal.
Ludwigite is a fairly rare magnesium-iron borate mineral: Mg2FeBO5.
Ludwigite typically occurs in magnesian iron skarn and other high temperature contact metamorphic deposits. Of interest only to mineral collectors, although associated minerals like magnetite are worth mining on occasion.
I found these specimens high in Idaho's Lemhi Mountains a few years back.
Here's rectagular ludwigite crystals resting on magnetite & white marble from the same site.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Man, one of the cooler threads on this ROCK climbing site.
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Apr 14, 2015 - 02:53pm PT
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Sweet crystals everybody, thanks for sharing!
Here's a piece of Fluorite (China) from the collection.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 14, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
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The other day I visited my friend John Decker, who likes to watch DVDs on the less-visited places so he can have something worthwhile to watch on his huge-screen 3-D mega-TV.
We viewed part of one which showed the Naica cave crystals.
These giants in the Cave of Crystals were created and grew in a subterranean water system in place for millions and millions of years.
The miners have pumped the water out to allow them access to minerals close by.
This removal of the water-bath is apparently causing the crystals to weaken and deteriorate as a result, according to the narration.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/11/crystal-giants/shea-text
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 14, 2015 - 05:16pm PT
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Nice Rocks L & the albatross!
Mouse! That's a bummer that those giant Mexican Selenite? (I recall) crystals are now deprived of the moisture that allows them to grow & prosper.
Here's an eight-pound chunk of flurorite I hiked out of middle of nowhere Idaho a couple years back. Great exercise, since it was mostly downhill for 5 miles.
Love the green color, but the crystals are nice too.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 14, 2015 - 05:19pm PT
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Apr 14, 2015 - 05:29pm PT
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Piece of quartz that I don't recall where I picked up but has been sitting on my desk for years.
I need to explore some old gold mines this summer to see what interesting specimens are in the tailing piles.
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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Apr 14, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
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Wow Fritz,
That's one beautiful piece of Fluorite!
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 14, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
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Travertine deposit (aka Wedding Cake deposit) at The Cedars near Cazadero. Anyone interested in ultra-mafic rocks (mainly serpentinized peridotite) and deep-circulating alkaline springs should check this place out.
http://web.gps.caltech.edu/~als/research-articles/2013/morrill-gca-cedars-geochemi.pdf
Blue schist facies meta-greywacke knocker, Goat Rock Beach. Franciscan knockers make good sea stacks.
Soft sediment folding Franciscan radiolarian chert, Goat Rock Beach
Highly polished blue schist at Sunset Rocks (Mammoth rubbing stone analogous to modern Rhino rubbing stones in Africa)
Tar breccia near Vandenberg AFB
Vugular basalt, Ape Cave lava tube, Mt St Helens
Flow banding in Tuolumne Intrusive Series near Tenaya Lake. Resembles trough cross-bedding in fluvial sediments
Banded opsidian Panum Crater, Mono Lake
Ladder dike, Reid Slabs, Tuolumne River
Load structures in Eocene marine sediments near Carmel, CA
Rhyolite Breccia with lichen, Pinnacles
Vulcan's Anvil, Quaternary basalt, Grand Canyon
Tectonic breccia in Paleozoic limestone, Titus Canyon, Death Valley
Complexly folded Paleozoic strata, Grapevine Mountains, Death Valley
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 21, 2015 - 05:38pm PT
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Wow! Love those photos of great geology-------and every other rock folks post here!
Here's some ripple marks, like those you see in stream-side sand or mud, or in sand dunes: hardened into limestone, uplifted to thousands of feet above sea level and turned 90 degrees. Biggest & best ripple-marks I've ever seen. Mustang Nepal, 2008.
Here's some nearby marine shell fossils. This area of the Himalayas was ocean floor until it was uplifted about 60-80 million years ago.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Apr 21, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 21, 2015 - 06:08pm PT
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Interesting that the highest elevation on the planet is composed of sediments that were deposited in an ancient (~500 MY) ocean bottom.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Apr 21, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
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This thread rocks!
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 21, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
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Tunnel in volcaniclastic conglomerate
Smokey quartz crystals in cave restaurant near Vicosoprano, Switzerland
Feldspar megacrysts
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Apr 21, 2015 - 10:24pm PT
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I just love this thread. Thanks you all.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 27, 2015 - 09:05pm PT
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Apologies for being a little early, but I'm off to the Utah desert early tomorrow.
Chalcopyrite Peacock ore & Pyrite. I found this rock at an old copper mine on the Nevada-Utah border.
The blueish iridescent area is Chalcopyrite, (Copper iron sulphide) & the bright shiny area is Pyrite (Iron sulphide). There is also some quartz & some rusty iron stains on this nice specimen.
Chalcopyrite can look brassy, or be dark black, or rarely, if left in an acidic environment: can become the highly collectable iridescent Peacock Ore.
Of course mineral collectors with low morals do on occasion treat Chalcopyrite with acid to make fake Peacock Ore.
Close-up.
chalcopryite lower, pyrite upper.
Evening view east from the mine into Utah and the Bonneville Salt Flats.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 27, 2015 - 09:22pm PT
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Have fun, Fritz!
Viva las rocas!
Kind of a non sequitur--they'll outlive us.Graffiti or art?
Stupid question. It's both.
The Trundlers with their hit song, Never Break Down, OldClymer on the sax.[Click to View YouTube Video]
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 29, 2015 - 11:26am PT
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2015 - 09:46pm PT
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Last week in SE Utah, the most interesting rock I found, and left behind, was this hand-sized chunk of polished igneous rock.
Based on it being on top of a mesa with only sandstone around, and the close association of Anaszi ruins, I consider it a mano or grinding stone left behind at least 700 years ago when the Anaszi left the area due to an extended drought.
From another Anaszi site, here's a broken metate (also left behind) that a mano would have been used on to grind grain. (there is a chunk of an ancient corncob in the metate) Of course there is a deeper sexual linkage to those matched stones too------but this is a rock thread.
However Hedi really liked this eroded sandstone shot that her artist's eye found.
and of course there were the great rock Anaszi ruins.
& the striking rock formations that you know you can't climb, without draging all that heavy climbing gear to them.
OK, OK---so I'm wrong on occasion.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2015 - 05:19pm PT
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Of course many of us old farts on ST remember the snappy Coasters song "Poison Ivy."
The lyrics included: You're gonna need a ocean of Calamine Lotion------
But since the Coasters first recorded the song in 1959, dozens of bands including the Rolling Stones have also recorded versions of Poison Ivy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_Ivy_(song);
And how----------you ask does this relate to rocks?
Very well indeed!
Calamine is a historic name for an ore of zinc. The name calamine was derived from the Belgian town of Kelmis, whose French name is "La Calamine", which is home to a zinc mine. In the 18th and 19th century large ore mines could be found near the German village of Breinigerberg.
During the early 19th century it was discovered that what had been thought to be one ore was actually two distinct minerals:
Zinc carbonate ZnCO3 or smithsonite and
Zinc silicate Zn4Si2O7(OH)2·H2O or hemimorphite.
The two minerals are usually very similar in appearance and can usually only be distinguished though laboratory analysis.The first person to separate the minerals was the British chemist and mineralogist James Smithson in 1803.[1] In the mining industry the term calamine is still used to refer to both minerals indiscriminately.
In mineralogy calamine is no longer considered a valid term. It has been replaced by smithsonite and hemimorphite in order to distinguish it from the pinkish mixture of zinc oxide (ZnO) and iron(III) oxide (Fe2O3) used in calamine lotion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calamine_(mineral);
I've occasionaly have found small & unimpressive mineral specimens that I thought were Smithsonite, but I long ago traded some Idaho rocks for a great sample of it & other nice mineral specimens from the Bingham area of New Mexico.
Then two years back, I found some very nice blue microcrystals at an old mine in the Mountains of NE Nevada. I thought they were Smithsonite, but an exchange of emails with the co-author of "Minerals of Nevada" revealed the crystals were Hemimorphite.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 19, 2015 - 05:23pm PT
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Mystery crag, Nevadastan...
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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May 19, 2015 - 05:37pm PT
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Anyone interested in minerals and / or prospecting should check out the mindat website.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2015 - 09:28pm PT
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Thanks for posting your nice rocks!
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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May 19, 2015 - 09:33pm PT
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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May 20, 2015 - 09:22am PT
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A rock short and a day late?
From my sister's house. The ones in the basket on the left are from the Central California Coast, and the ones on the right are from a beach in Findhorn, Scotland. I'll do better on a real Tuesday.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2015 - 05:24pm PT
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I went into the wilds of Idaho this weekend, looking for a likely rock to post up. On Sat. my old climbing pal Stein & I went looking for a not quite lost, but impossible to find, mine in the foothills of the Pioneer Range. Stein is a registered surveyor & I'm fairly good with a GPS (for a codger), & we had (for our second try) a map reference and a description of the mine.
We killed about four hours hiking steep hillsides, but did have some nice scenery in the distance.
The mine remains lost. I may now be getting obsessional about finding it.
Having hiked Stein to exhaustion, I drove through afternoon showers somewhat deeper into deepest Idaho. Everytime I stopped for a hike, in the high desert, I was swarmed by mosquitoes. I drove to the driest low summit I could think of and thought I had found the spot.
After camp was set up, the mosquitoes started visiting. It was never bad, but it was tough to study a print-out of the next day's agenda. I was going to an area new to me & searching for Fluorite crystals.
I enjoyed a good mountain hike the next day and found some ok, but not spectacular cubic Fluorite crystals. I love them anyway!
I knew much rain was coming on Monday, and I was not disappointed.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Thanks for posting up, Fritz, sure is fun to do some prospecting.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2015 - 09:58pm PT
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On the hike with Stein, we found some fresh & strange scat. Stein put a 25 cent piece next to it for scale, and swears it's Yeti scat.
Since, I don't believe in Yeti's, all I can do is post the photo for him & those Yeti's believers here.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Jun 16, 2015 - 08:56pm PT
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jun 16, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
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Wow Ney Grant!
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jun 16, 2015 - 10:41pm PT
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Ney Grant;
^^ That caught my eye, too!
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doughnutnational
Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
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Is the granite slot the millerton caves?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
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Gneiss photos!
thebravecowboy: I do like splitting rocks & finding nice results like your photos.
My friend Jerry & I are just back from a three day journey into "Deepest Idaho." A 500 mile round trip with 160 miles of it on dirt roads. We fished for Cutthroats, hiked up high hills in search of exercise, dined & drank well, while hoping evening thunderstorms didn't smack us, & even found some old mines & mineral specimens.
We hiked about two miles & fished back up to our camp on the afternoon of day one. Hiked up about 2,200 vertical feet, mostly on old mining roads on day two, then fished for two hours that afternoon. The morning of day 3, we hiked off trail up 1,200 vertical feet to an old mine for a great view, made it back to camp by noon, & barely beat the mother of all thunderstorms out of the area.
I can barely move today.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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I'm into formations and common stones.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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This whole idea is so random, I just might have to get my hate on to freeze this thread...
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2015 - 08:38pm PT
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Schist! I have been a neglectful thread steward!
First! Thanks for all that post good rocks!
Second! I must say: fuk off on your thread jealousy, Mr. E.!
I have been having soooooo-much outdoor fun in my first year of retirement, that I have not been posting rocks on Tuesday. That will likely change in October.
Until then, here's some photos from one of many Idaho & northern Nevada high mountain hikes to old mines this summer. This one was last week.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2015 - 11:27am PT
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Nice Rocks folks. Brave Cowboy? What the hell is that really, red, rock? Cinnabar?
I was combining climbing with mineral collecting last June, & was balanced on a couple OK footholds, about 6 feet above a 60 degree talus slope, using a chisel & hammer to cut out a chunk of rock with the largest garnets I’ve ever found. It took a few minutes of hammering, and along the way I lost concentration - - WHAM! I haven’t smacked my thumb as good as that since I was in my 20’s placing bolts on runout slabs. This is the specimen & my thumb about two-weeks later. I worried that I was going to lose the nail.
And today, almost four months later.
There were some nice smaller, but shinier garnets there too.
On the brighter side, although I got held up a while by a cattle-drive on the way out of the mountains, the cowgirls liked me.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Hey Fritz! That is some fatty garnet! And I hear you on the inherent sketch of field geology - still picking splinters outta my hands and feet, nursing a similarly wounded digit (flyrock, not hammer-strike, thankfully).
It's banded iron formation from the southern edge of the midcontinent rift. Definitely older than 1000 My. Magnetite and hematite compose the bands, and what a cool structural history they show! I picked it up along the Presque Isle River last week. It is a detrital component of the units that I study.
Sure is pretty.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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staking out the high ground in the show me your discus event ...
bring on the remarkably durable sculpted orange shag
and furtive goathead lurkin' turf challenge any time
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2015 - 09:25am PT
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Pyrite, FeS2 is defined as being in the Isometric crystal system, but has eleven different crystal forms.
(how do it know, which form to crystallize in?)
The 3 most common pyrite crystal forms are: Cubic, Octahedral, & dodecahedral, also known as Pyritohedral.
The only crystal form of pyrite I have found is cubic & I've found a lot of small cubic pyrite crystals in Idaho & Nevada.
Heidi bought this one at a long-ago Tucson Gem & Mineral show.
Here's a nice specimen from Peru of Pyritohedral pyrite.
And an Octahedral pyrite from Peru.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 20, 2015 - 09:30am PT
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Thanks for brightening up my day. It's dark and grey here with a cold rain falling.....even the cats don't want to go out.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Oct 20, 2015 - 09:43am PT
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Various forms of halite from Bavarian salt mines on display at the Deutsches Museum
Halite from the Salzbergwerk Mine in Berchtesgaden
Granite cairns at the top of the Krimmler Wasserfalle in Austria
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2015 - 05:30pm PT
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TT! Nice salty rocks!
Idaho has quite a few contact-metamorphic deposits where the slightly collectable mineral Diopside (CaMgSi2O6) can be found as small greenish crystals. I lucked out a few years back & surface collected what may be the state record Diopside crystal.
I have found much smaller, but much more pleasantly green Diopside crystals at two other Idaho locations.
This one is from summer 2014. The crystals are 1/4" long or less and are in calcite.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 27, 2015 - 06:17pm PT
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good stuff as always Fritz
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 27, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 27, 2015 - 08:56pm PT
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nice VotG intercalation of arkosic mudrock and ferruginous Ss, Stahlbro.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 27, 2015 - 09:39pm PT
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2015 - 01:03pm PT
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Ammonites and/or Ammonoids are my favorite fossil. I was given one when I was a teenager, but I never found one until I was in my mid-30’s.
Ammonoids were a marine mollusk, fairly closely related to squids, except they grew an external shell. They enjoyed a long & diverse existence as a subclass Ammonoidea of the class Cephalopoda, with the first Ammonoids showing up in the fossil record around 400 million years ago & then finally going extinct in the Cretaceous Extinction about 66 million years ago.
Size wise, Ammonoids ranged from darn small to a few specimens found in the U.S. that are up to 4’ in diameter. The biggest intact Ammonoid I’ve found is about 8” in diameter. Ammonoids are important index fossils because of their wide geographic distribution in shallow marine waters, rapid evolution, and easily recognizable features.
There are a lot of fossil Ammonoids in museums & collections, & a lot still to be found. So far, the BLM & Forest Service have not made collecting them on government lands illegal. There are also many different species of Ammonoids, with some from the Cretaceous having quite fanciful shells.
Ammonoid molds & casts. All the above Ammonoids are casts of Ammonoid shells, that were covered by mud, rotted away, & were then replaced with minerals. A mold preserves a negative imprint of the surface, while a cast preserves the external form of the organism. In a few places the original Ammonoid shells have survived the process and are preserved.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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superb first ammonite Fritz
Rocks from the hike today
Local basement
Ingleside? Fmn camcareous ss and limestone conglomerate
Anyone hazard a genetic interpretation on the overturned ripped up bedding? Algal mats?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 16, 2015 - 09:51pm PT
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Constine, I dig it!
And yeah, Cpt. Fritz, that first ammonite does trigger an obsession. My first was paired, out of the Moenkopi Fmn on a rare and calcite-veined summit outcrop at center of a very prominent doubly plunging asymmetric anticline.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Nov 17, 2015 - 07:54am PT
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Somewhere!
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Nov 17, 2015 - 09:31am PT
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A couple of rocks from the top of my desk.
A garnet schist, an iron ore "wad" with some radiating crystals of (?), a rhyolite porphory, and a fossil from Libya that is possibly a partial head of (?)
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 17, 2015 - 09:51am PT
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I WAS going to post a picture of Cambrian algae balls, but the site would not let me post the picture. Too explicit?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 17, 2015 - 10:20am PT
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Not far from Cerro Torre...
A gud 30 cm!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2015 - 03:50pm PT
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Gneiss rocks folks & great Noids BC & Reilly. Thanks for posting up.
I was looking at the big garnet of the summer today & decided to compare it to my previously largest garnet, one I had bought for $1.00 in Montana when I was a 4th grader.
The dark, dark red almandine Montana garnet is a perfect dodecahedral crystal. (In geometry, a dodecahedron is any polyhedron with twelve flat faces.) It came from the Ruby River, near Virginia City Montana.
The one I found this summer is probably a grossular garnet and only has 7 intact faces. I think it likely grew in a tight pocket and only managed to develop half-way. I sure would like to find its perfect cousin. It was a long drive into darkest Idaho & a stiff uphill hike to where I found it, but I'm going back next year.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2015 - 10:55am PT
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This Aquamarine crystal was posted by a Facebook friend yesterday.
I went looking for more information on it, but only found dead ends.
What Wikipedia has to say on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl#Aquamarine_and_maxixe
Aquamarine (from Latin: aqua marina, "water of the sea") is a blue or cyan variety of beryl. It occurs at most localities which yield ordinary beryl.
The largest aquamarine of gemstone quality ever mined was found in Marambaia, Minas Gerais, Brazil, in 1910. It weighed over 110 kg (240 lb), and its dimensions were 48.5 cm (19 in) long and 42 cm (17 in) in diameter
When I started climbing in Idaho's Sawtooth Range in the early 1970's, I became aware that some nice Aquamarines had been found in certain areas of the range. I never found any on climbs, and finally in 1981 backpacked a considerable distance into the south-central part of "the Tooths" in search of Aquamarines & good fishing. I managed to find these two inch long specimens in two days of looking. The Sawtooth Wilderness has been closed to mineral collecting since 1992.
Heidi bought this nice Aquamarine cluster from Pakistan at the first Tucson Gem & Mineral Show we attended.
It's quite the handfull.
Here's a nice large specimen of Aquamarines on feldspar that we looked at in Tucson. It was about 18" long and I think the dealer wanted $15,000 for it.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Nov 24, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
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look, i found it. i'm calling it meatstone. case closed
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
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Another busy daze at ST. Now it is abundant gear reviews, not politcal schist that dumps posts off the first few pages of ST.
Just in case, you missed this today?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2015 - 07:44pm PT
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TOPAZ!
When I was climbing in Idaho's Sawtooth Mountains back in the 1970's, I was slightly aware of the existence of the gemstone Topaz, but I did not know any Topaz occurred in the area. 30 years later, I discovered I had brought home some nice specimens of Topaz, that I had thought slightly strange Quartz crystals.
In the mid-1980’s I learned about Topaz Mountain Utah, a middle of nowhere large lump of rhyolite, with lots of small Topaz crystals around. On my first visit, I learned hunting Topaz crystals in morning or late-afternoon sun works great, since the tiny (1/4” to ¾”) crystals refract sunlight, and you can sometimes follow a gleam of refracted light 20 feet to a Topaz crystal.
My second visit to Topaz Mountain was in mid-March the next year. I was returning to Idaho from a Denver Ski Show via Utah. My SLC friends and I agreed to meet at Topaz Mountain and mineral-hunt for the weekend.
A large late-winter storm intervened, and I barely made it to Utah from Colorado, and they wisely cancelled on their end. I made it to Topaz Mountain in a snowstorm, ate, drank, & slept in my 4-Runner, with minimal trips outside, and woke in the morning to 5 inches of snow and clear skies.
It was a beautiful day, and I finally started trudging up the South-side of Topaz Mountain through the now-melting snow. Late morning, temps were up to the low 50’s and I was starting to think I might actually find some Topaz crystals, after more snow melted.
Just then, a large rattler buzzed me from the sunny-side of a nearby rock. Instead of being scared, I was outraged at the concept of an active rattlesnake among the snowdrifts. I rushed the snake, a rock in my hand, as it disappeared under its rock. After a few seconds of male-insanity, crouching over its rock, and getting ready to lift it and do battle------Sanity prevailed.
I found some nice Topaz crystals that day by breaking open likely areas in the pinkish Rhyolite to reveal crystal pockets. Only a few scorpions boiled out of the pockets and I didn’t see more snakes. I have not been back.
The final Topaz is a great specimen Heidi bought at the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show, a few years back.
Per this Wikipedia quote, Topaz can occur in a wide variety of colors, but collectors should be cautious of blue Topaz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topaz
Pure topaz is colorless and transparent but is usually tinted by impurities; typical topaz is wine red, yellow, pale gray, reddish-orange, or blue brown. It can also be white, pale green, blue, gold, pink (rare), reddish-yellow or opaque to transparent/translucent.
Orange topaz, also known as precious topaz, is the traditional November birthstone, the symbol of friendship, and the state gemstone of the US state of Utah.[5]
Imperial topaz is yellow, pink (rare, if natural) or pink-orange. Brazilian Imperial Topaz can often have a bright yellow to deep golden brown hue, sometimes even violet. Many brown or pale topazes are treated to make them bright yellow, gold, pink or violet colored. Some imperial topaz stones can fade on exposure to sunlight for an extended period of time.[6][7]
Blue topaz is the state gemstone of the US state of Texas.[8] Naturally occurring blue topaz is quite rare. Typically, colorless, gray or pale yellow and blue material is heat treated and irradiated to produce a more desired darker blue.[7]
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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just a bump, and to let you all know that I appreciate this thread.
I will POST, but it may not be worth it for y'all. I've picked up some from the coast of the Beaufort Sea to Tierra del Fuego, but I mostly didn't keep track from whence they came. Shame. I my have to resort to a "name this rock/mineral format".
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Wow, that aquamarine would make a rad pendant, for Godzilla's old lady!
So BITD I knew this geologist. I went with him to a place he found some
crystal that wound up in the Smithsonian. It is often found near mercury
deposits and we were at an old mercury mine. It is some kind of sulfur but
when you break the rock open the crystal is blood red. Trouble is if you
leave it exposed to sunlight it turns to sulfur powder and POOF!
You've a pile of NUTHIN'!
Naturally, the day I went we didn't find any Smithsonian quality gems but
we did find some little guys. They were blood red and real purdy!
Eat yer hearts out! The Farallones on the back side of Capri!
That whole island has some juicy sendage and the bivies aren't too bad, either!
Yes, the water really is that color!
Why do you think it is called The Blue Grotto?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Finally, Cambrian algal balls. Ya'll probably thought I was full of it on this one.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2015 - 02:05pm PT
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Thanks folks for posting up your rocks!
I do want to post a warning for those of you that worry about what your wayward children are up to.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Watch it there Fritz! I'm this close to posting up pics of slides of rocks under microscope and crossed nichols. ;)
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2015 - 05:28pm PT
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skcreidc! Bring it!
Let's just warn folks not to let their children watch.
(after your photo of Cambrian algal balls, I'm braced for still more risque rocks.)
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Albion Basin limestone.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Dec 22, 2015 - 05:29pm PT
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Lovely little specimen from Elmwood, TN. The crystal on the right is about 1 inch cubed.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Dec 22, 2015 - 05:58pm PT
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porphyritic basalt, oregon
glaucophane schist
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Dec 22, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
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serpentine shards in the franciscan formation
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Dec 22, 2015 - 08:16pm PT
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these photos were taken along the beach near Jenner, CA
greenstone & radiolarian chert from the franciscan complex
chert breccia
serpentine gouge zone
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Fitz you coming down to Tucson next month?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2016 - 12:23am PT
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WOW!
Thanks to all for the Great rocks and landscape photos!
The Albatross! I want to attend the Tucson gem & mineral show this year, but no reservations or firm plans are in place. I'll post if I know more about our plans.
I'm currently working hard at photographing coral formations near Maui. The darn fish keep getting in my way.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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Epidote is a fairly hard (6-7) Silicate mineral that is commonly found in contact rocks. Although some consider it a semi-precious stone, it is mainly of interest to collectors. It occurs in mostly dark greenish colors & is somewhat to very translucent.
I’ve found it at several locations in Idaho, but most of my specimens are from the south end of the Seven Devils mountains, high above Hell’s Canyon of the Snake River. Epidote occurs in old copper mines there & is often found with garnets, hematite, & copper minerals. It’s nice country for mineral collecting with great views & mostly open terrain to hike.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Redwood City
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Jan 26, 2016 - 02:30pm PT
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jan 26, 2016 - 02:39pm PT
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sheesh, what a bunch of slouches. we all know that real rocks are sedimentary in origin.
edit to include dapper dan in the ranks of the rad.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2016 - 10:55am PT
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It looks about 95% certain that Heidi & I are going to be in Tucson for the last week of the Gem & Mineral Show. We have a room booked for nights of Feb. 9-11th.
Anyone else going to the Show then? We'd enjoy doing a rocky Meet & Greet!
http://www.visittucson.org/events/gem-show/
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 31, 2016 - 01:44pm PT
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Looks like I will just miss you, going for a long weekend returning to Flag on Monday the 8th…
Any suggestions on cleaning andradite? I've tried Muriatic acid, maybe didn't soak it long enough? (Trying to remove yellow film)
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
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Albatross: Sorry we are going to miss you. We may try to stop by Flag & visit on our way home, depending on the weather.
If those yellowish stains are iron stains, I've got the super-duper, reasonably non-toxic, but somewhat complicated way to remove them.
I used it with great success to clean iron stains off both Fluorite & quartz crystals last summer.
I am not going to take on the liability of posting the two pages of info on the internet, but will email you the info as a word doc.
Folks can find it, as I did, by searching for Mineral cleaning info & add The Waller solution to the search terms.
The "Waller" Solution
This method of mineral cleaning was first introduced as a simple method of cleaning iron stain from minerals. Further research reveals different methods of using the basic solution.
It works by combining Super Iron Out, Baking soda, & citric acid in water. Super Iron Out is available at Home Depot & I bought my citric acid on Amazon. Be sure the Super Iron Out you buy does NOT have acid in it, since they use the same name for several products. The ingredient you want is Sodium Dithionite
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
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Heidi & I made a eight day road-trip down to Tucson for the Gem & Mineral Show, then pushed on to Patagonia for a two-day visit to some old classmates.
We toured the best hotel venues to buy mineral specimens from dealers on our first day, then attended the 62nd annual Tucson Gem & Mineral Show in the Convention Center the next day.
The Convention Center had a lot of special exhibits of collections & spectacular mineral specimens were everywhere. Here's some that we captured with our camera.
There were lots of displays of large amethyst quartz crystals from geodes found in Uraguay.
Some of the amethyst geodes were huge. This one obviously called out to me. Unfortunately security arrived before I could complete the boulder problem.
Gold! There was a lot of gold on exhibit. This piece was about 10" wide and was mostly fused gold crystals.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Feb 16, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Feb 16, 2016 - 09:56pm PT
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TBC
we all know that real rocks are sedimentary in origin
If it ain't Archean, it's overburden.
Coeval magma, Wind Rivers
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 09:03am PT
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Hey! Great rocks folks! Thanks for sharing!
We ended up sharing a table for lunch with some other collectors at the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show, after we had been astonished by the many fantastic mineral specimens, like those I posted above.
After some small talk about the wonderful minerals on display, I mentioned I had been a mineral collector for about 55 years and I had my lifetime collection at home. I then turned to Heidi and casually mentioned that when we got home, I would box up my collection and haul it to the county landfill.
Jest kidding, but it was apparent my collection is pretty-much schist as compared to what was on exhibit.
I did buy some in-expensive mineral specimens to complement the lesser examples of those minerals I've found in Idaho.
I still can console myself that I've found some pretty-good quartz crystals in Idaho's mountains.
and some fetching fluorite.
and some good garnets.
And then there are the strange black & green minerals that I manage to find big crystals of in Idaho.
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GuapoVino
climber
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:12am PT
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Boulder sculpted by the water of the Rio Grande in Santa Elena Canyon in Big Bend. Saw it last week paddling through the canyon.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:16am PT
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I want thnx those who get IT
what that this woman is,
and does in the many ways
That are rare and Gem-like
ANITAROCK S !
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Feb 23, 2016 - 02:32pm PT
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Har har, a lahar from Yellowstone. As seen from the Southfork of the Shoshone.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Upper Cretaceous shark tooth, Taylor Marl, Central Texarse.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 16, 2016 - 10:29am PT
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Mostly pestles.
Priced to sell.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2016 - 12:32pm PT
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Magnetite, Iron Oxide Fe2+Fe3+2O4, is the most magnetic of all minerals & is extremely common worldwide. However, its striking octahedral crystals are of interest to collectors, although only rarely do magnetite crystals have a nice shiny finish. Although it normally is not magnetized, that can occur in nature. Historically, magnetized pieces were called "Loadstones" & were used in primitive compasses.
Wikipedia has a fascinating article on Magnetite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetite
What they mention, is that magnetite concentrates in the beaks of some birds and may contribute to navigation feats that migrating birds perform. They also quote two articles that magnetite may well contribute to route-finding abilities in some humans.
Biomagnetism is usually related to the presence of biogenic crystals of magnetite, which occur widely in organisms.[11] These organisms range from bacteria (e.g., Magnetospirillum magnetotacticum) to animals and humans, where magnetite crystals (and other magnetically-sensitive compounds) are found in different organs, depending on the species.[12][13] Biomagnetites account for the effects of weak magnetic fields on biological systems.[14] There is also a chemical basis for cellular sensitivity to electric and magnetic fields (galvanotaxis).[15
It's been good hunting for Idaho magnetite the last few years and I've found nice crystals in several different mining areas. However, my most shiny crystals are from Peru.
Here's some of my best & or largest Idaho magnetite crystals.
This one was luckily only 100 feet from a road, since it is pure magnetite & weighs about 25 lbs.
The most common crystal form for magnetite is at top left.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 11, 2016 - 08:05am PT
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It's Monday, but my rocks don't care.
I have a select group of friendly rocks that I have hauled up to mIddle eArth to abide with me and to remind me of where I have beenst.Some, like these, reside on the window ledge, lichen the view and the sometimes sunlight.
Others, serving a more utilitarian purpose, are counterweights on the drop-leaf whereon I type and post.I may talk to the rocks, but they don't hear and don't care, for we exist on two different levels.
They ultimately serve me as memento moris.
The difference between mein host Fritz and myself as collectors is night and day.
He sciences the schist out of things, while I just like to kick it and go along for the ride.
Either way, it's cool. No pressure.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2016 - 04:27pm PT
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Gneiss Rocks Mouse. Good to have you along.
Last week I did a road-trip down to the Tonapah area and visited a couple mines east of Lunning on the first afternoon. One offered a nice hike after I reached a favorable agreement with the local guard bull, who was suspicious of me.
The mine had a "contact" area that had been mined for tungsten minerals. An intrusive mass of hot granitic rocks had cooked the limestone or dolomite it pushed into. This contact metamorphism often produces desirable minerals, which in my case included garnets the original miners weren't much interested in.
They got the tungsten & maybe some copper & I got an afternoon's fun. A win-win all around.
The mine was interesting too, since they had driven a tunnel (adit) into the hill, then followed the mineralized contact zone up to the surface. It was easy to scramble up to the open stope (the zone they had mined out) & look at what the miners had achieved.
Wikipedia tells me that this type of stope mining is called stull stoping.
Stull stoping is a form of stoping used in hardrock mining that uses systematic or random timbering ("stulls") placed between the foot and hanging wall of the vein. The method requires that the hanging wall and often the footwall be of competent rock as the stulls provide the only artificial support. This type of stope has been used up to a depth of 3,500 feet (1,077 m) and at intervals up to 12 feet (3.7 m) wide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoping
Here's a photo of the upper end of the open stope. Rather than haul the ore out the top, I believe the miners worked up from below & sent the ore tumbling down chutes to waiting ore cars, which carried the ore out to the big ore bin below the adit.
Here's a distant view of the whole mine. I have labled the adit & stopes for your viewing pleasure.
After bivying in the 99 year old Mizpah Hotel in Tonopah, I ventured out to the west the next day and found more mines with contact metamorphism & more minerals of interest, but mostly garnets.
I once again lucked out & after hiking up to some mines I was able to follow a series of small adits along a contact zone between granite & dolomite for almost 1/2 mile.
I found more andradrite garnets, some green grossular garnets, some ore that might be antimony, and some calcite. I was entertained.
Towards the end of my hike, my pack was getting heavy, but the contact zone & the possibility of finding something better kept me going. I finally turned back after the quality of garnets took a decided turn for the worst. The below photo shows some 1/2" diameter ones that apparently didn't get cooked well. The garnets are opaque & the rock they are in is soft & flakes away at a touch.
I bivyed again in Tonopah, but the weather forecast was schisty. But on the bright side! I got to stay in the special room reserved for climbers.
I started home early the next morning after my first-ever shower in a claw-foot bathtub.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2016 - 05:08pm PT
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DMT: Thanks! I watched a long news report on the Chilean rescue, but wasn't aware of a movie. I'll put it on my list.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 12, 2016 - 05:15pm PT
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Is that a schist list, Fritz?
Nice TR, bud.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 12, 2016 - 08:25pm PT
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Two hours ago, I was lost in marine transgression when across the road appeared a man gabbing happily about a "handjam at the top."
Grabbed my shoes out the trunk and then I ducked down a layer and a few hundreds of thousands or thousands of thousands of years to face a nice stack of riverfloors. The riverbeds dip at about 30 to E and form these fine silica cemented overhanging clifflets with nice regular vertical fractures. . Hopped on five different, wonderfully varnished new-to-me problems: two cracks (one thin featured handcrack and one brutal but brief wiiide hand/tight fist with a slippery steep start) and three harder, thin varnished slick faces. Thought-provoking, those. Then the bats came out and I wondered why I don't do this every night. A fine half hour evening diversion
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2016 - 08:32pm PT
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Brave Cowboy! Thanks for the interesting post & photos. It looks like you are working in a slightly wetter than Utah area.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 12, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
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Yo Fritz! Yep, Horsetooth Reservoir, northern Front Range.
Turns out some guy named Bachar put up most all of the stoutness on that little clifflet some years back.
Cool to see the stuff you pick up in your travels. Thanks for sharing.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2016 - 09:56am PT
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After bidding goodbye to Tonopah & the wonderful 99 year old Hotel Mizpah, I drove north through the middle of nowhere & hung a left to go visit the ghost town of Ophir, where I hoped to find some more minerals of interest. What I found instead was a "white-knuckle" 4wd road that climbed steeply up through granite cliffs to 8,200 Ft. & the rocky remains of Ophir.
The road stayed in the canyon bottom & forded the small creek 6 times, but someone had recently cleared away the winter’s rock & tree fall. As is usually the case with new to me mountain tracks, it seemed steep, narrow, & challenging going up, but not too bad on my return trip down-canyon.
The main mine above Ophir was named the Murphy & in the 1860’s a 20 stamp mill was built just below it. Much of the mills impressive stone walls remain, but it’s brick chimney has fallen & the machinery is all gone. I didn’t find any rocks I wanted to drag home, while walking around the mine dump, but I was much taken with the old rock ruins.
Here’s some photos I found online of the mine & mill & town in the 1880’s.
After wandering around the old town for a while, the approaching rain clouds encouraged me to retreat down canyon.
After reaching the mouth of Ophir Canyon, I noticed a side road that took me to the town's boothill. Apparently there wasn't a spot in the canyon for a graveyard.
Near the boothill, I found a willing to pose collared lizard, then drove north past the Wild Granites towards Eureka.
For my final rocks, I hiked a short ways to see some Native American rock-art.
I made it back to Choss Creek by 8:00 PM.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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May 15, 2016 - 05:58pm PT
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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May 15, 2016 - 09:56pm PT
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permian redbed detritus makes up the cutler, here on Carson's tower
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 16, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
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as any geology student knows, Bachar made all the rocks six thousand years ago, and not just in horsetooth.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
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Spider! That is a neat chunk of mountain.
When you come up for the City of Rocks party, can you bring it along?
Heidi wants it for our lawn.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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May 18, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
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White rocks like this abound on the western slope below the Mother Lode.
This is near Catheys Valley on Hwy 140.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jun 21, 2016 - 06:30am PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jul 12, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
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This rock is nice
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2016 - 08:30pm PT
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Summer is over, & it's time for a few rock posts from this summer.
Back in early June, I had a great time finding garnets & unlisted Vesuvianite. (I think) It's a somewhat rare silicate mineral in Idaho.
I returned back to "the ranchette" after a quick visit to an obscure mine not too far from the Snake River plain, but on top of the high point below.
It was great for me, after our wet April & May. I found "good rocks", took major risks without injury, and got lots of exercise for most of two days. My high point was balancing on a 60 degree dirt slope, while extracting chunks of rock with great garnets.
After climbing up to slightly steeper terrain, and ignoring what might happen to me if I fell, I happened to look down at my right foot, which was covered with Pogos. (large red ants, which bite). I levitated up the remaining 5 feet to flat terrain while shaking my right foot all the way. No bites!
Although my collecting site was about a mile in from the end of a driveable road, I had brought a 9mm rope, jumars, harness, & even a helmet, to help me search for minerals on the steep slopes of an old open-pit mine.
I hauled all the gear up through steep slopes, tightly grown with small pines & brush to the lip of the mine, selected a likly area, tied the rope to a stout tree, tossed it down and descended the 70 to 80 degree slope with the help of the jumars, my feet, & gravity.
I had correctly worried that moving sideways would bring down rockfall, but with the help of a high tie point on my anchor tree and a near verical slope up high, I didn't induce "killer" rockfall.
However, the 60 degree Pogo ant slope had many more garnets than the one I worked with a rope.
Still a good day, and I found one Vesuvianite specimen. (I think). A somewhat rare silicate mineral.
The big garnet of the day is opaque & not very shinny.
I found some other interesting specimens, like this piece with Calcite & garnets.
And another piece with Biotite Mica.
However, unlike last year, I didn't get to share time with cowgirls on the way out.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Sep 27, 2016 - 09:52pm PT
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Serpentine, Mt Tamalpais...hydrated peridotite from the upper mantle
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2016 - 09:16am PT
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Nice Rock TT. That stuff is beautiful!
From Wikipedia:
Fulgurites are formed when lightning with a temperature of at least 1,800 °C (3,270 °F) melts silica or other common conductive and semiconductive minerals and substrates, fusing, vitrifying, oxidizing and reducing mineral grains and organic compounds;[6] the fulgurite mass is the rapidly quenched end-product.
The temperature peak within a lightning channel, however, is known to exceed 30,000 K, with sufficient pressure to produce planar deformation features, or "shock lamellae" in SiO2 polymorphs. It is assumed that the process of forming a fulgurite occurs over a timespan of the order of a single second, following the termination of the return stroke.
Fugerites are commonly hollow and/or branching assemblages of glassy, protocrystalline, and heterogeneously microcrystalline tubes, crusts, slags, vesicular masses, and clusters of refractory materials that often form during the discharge phase of lightning strikes propagating into silica-rich quartzose sand, mixed soil, clay, caliche and other carbonate-rich sediments.
Colloquially, they have been referred to as petrified lightning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgurite
It also is possible to make “artificial” Fulgurites by discharging electricity into sand, although it is somewhat more complicated than that.
I learned from a mineralogist last week that this curious rock I had found at 10,400’ is a Fulgurite. I found it in a “contact-zone” where hot granite had intruded into limestone, and I had thought it was just some strangely altered rock from that contact.
Nope the mineralogist said, it’s a Fulgurite. From Wikipedia I discover it is a:
“ Type IV - rock fulgurites, which are either crusts on minimally altered rocks, networks of tunneling within rocks, vesicular outgassed rocks (often glazed by a silicide-rich and/or metal oxide crust), or completely vitrified and dense rock material and masses of these forms with little sedimentary groundmass.”
Upon examination of my 2 1/2" X 2" Fulgurite, with a 7-X magnifier, it appears that the host rock is limestone.
Here's some other views of it. The black surface is slick & shiny, with some greenish spots too.
Anyone else have a fulgurite to share?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Water saturated sandstone. Let the rock dry at least 24 hrs after storms!!
"It'll take your f*#knghead off!" - Bill Murray Ghostbusters(?)
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
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Jaybro & i-b-Gob! Thanks for posting up your rocks & petroglyphs.
I've never noticed a sheep-schisting petroglyph before, after viewing many a stone sheep. Is that original to the art, or an add-on?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2016 - 09:53pm PT
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Nice Petroglyhs Spider!
One of these daze, we need to sample more of those Snake River Glyphs.
I've got the insider scoop on them.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2016 - 07:23am PT
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WyoRockMan! Nice glyphs. In the long-ago I remember looking at some SE of Dubois, but otherwise, I am clueless on Wyoming Indian rock-art.
Idaho is another matter.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
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MFM!
LIKE!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2016 - 09:05pm PT
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The Euro’s changed it’s name to Baryte in 1978, but in America, we know it as Barite. (BaSO4)
Barite is a “soft-rock” with a hardness of 3 - 3.5. and it is common worldwide.
Per Wikipedia: It commonly occurs in a large number of depositional environments, and is deposited through a large number of processes including biogenic, hydrothermal, and evaporation, among others.[1] Baryte commonly occurs in lead-zinc veins in limestones, in hot spring deposits, and with hematite ore. It is often associated with the minerals anglesite and celestine. It has also been identified in meteorites.
But I’m talking about Barite crystals, which can be beautiful, per these specimens from Nevada’s Elko County Meinke Mine.
Idaho has one location where colorful Barite crystals have been found, near our highest peak, Mt. Borah.
After fruitless searches in that area, I finally broke down and bought some of the above classic specimens, that were found in the 1950’s.
However, in 2015, I found some clear Barite crystals at the edge of the Frank Church/River of No Return Wilderness Area.
This summer I found lots of clear, white & a blend of both color crystals in Spar Canyon, near the East Fork Salmon River.
Sigh. I’m still looking for Barite crystals like those from Nevada.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Oct 11, 2016 - 11:00pm PT
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nice rocks and glyphs!
greenery...
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2016 - 07:45am PT
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Nice rocks folks!
Out in the wilds of SE Oregon, drivers on Hwy 95 whiz by two road signs of interest.
One is a marker for the Grave site of Sacagawea's son, Jean Baptiste Charbonneau. He had quite a life before falling ill on a trip from California to Silver City, Idaho.
The rather weathered sign reads:
Jean Baptiste Charbonneau
1805–1866
This site marks the final resting place of the youngest member of the Lewis and Clark Expedition. Born to Sacagawea and Toussaint Charbonneau at Fort Mandan (North Dakota), on February 11, 1805, Baptiste and his mother symbolized the peaceful nature of the "Corps of Discovery." Educated by Captain William Clark at St. Louis, Baptiste at 18 traveled to Europe where he spent six years becoming fluent in English, German, French and Spanish. Returning to American in 1829, he ranged the far west for nearly four decades as mountain man, guide, interpreter, magistrate, and forty-niner. In 1866, he left the California gold fields for a new strike in Montana, contracted pneumonia en route, reached "Inskips Ranche" here, and died on May 16, 1866.
More details of his life are on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baptiste_Charbonneau
However, the chief reason for this posting, is of course Arock.
Arock is three miles (5 km) north of U.S. Route 95 between Jordan Valley and Rome. Arock was supposedly named in 1922 for a large rock bearing Native American petroglyphs in the vicinity. Arock post office was established in 1926.
The oldest building in Malheur County, Sheep Ranch Fort, is near Arock. It was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1974. Arock is one of several places in southeast Oregon that were settled by Basque herders.
Apparently, not everyone loves Arock, but it seems important to post it up on Tuesday.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2016 - 09:50am PT
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Gneiss video Mouse. Thanks for sharing it.
After about 20 hours of putting together a mineral & old Chouinard climbing gear display cabinet, I started loading it up on Thanksgiving. I blush to admit that I purchased a "Martha Stewart Living” fabric storage cabinet through Home Depot.
It arrived un-assembled in three 70 lb. boxes. I knew from reading reviews, that I would need to add much reinforcement to what is basically a cheaply made P.O.S. piece of Chinese furniture. It wasn't quite a nightmare, but I even replaced tiny screws on the runners that were already stripped-out.
Right now, I'm pretty happy. Hopefully it won't collapse during the night.
Drawer 1. I still need to do some organizing there.
Drawer 1 closeup
Drawer 2. Mostly my Idaho & Nevada quartz & garnet specimens.
Drawer 3. Stuff I've purchased in up front center & right side. Idaho minerals at left.
Drawer 4. Every model of Chouinard carabiner & Chouinard pitons.
Drawers 5-8 are deeper, but narrower & a still a work in process.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Dec 18, 2016 - 07:45am PT
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I missed this thread, Wow Fritz, great stuff!
I'm an advanced collector, I started as a kid, then took it up big time in College, then went into overdrive after I got married to a rock lover.
We field collect agate, gasper, petrified wood, crystals,feldspar, garnet, sand, gravel, ant fines and all kinds of other stuff and sell it to cactus growers. We have 1000s of pounds a year come and go through our compound.
And of course we collect and sell fine mineral specimens.
My collecting specialty is gem mineral crystals and rare minerals in crystal form.
My wife collects big crystals and rare cut gems.
Top shelf of the AAA gem glass case
Tourmaline shelf
Beryl collection a coupe years ago
as far as rare stuff goes, it's my newest passion
just got this in the mail
vorobeyevite beryl rosterite
a variety of Caesium Beryl
Hambergite
Be2(BO3)(OH)
Painite; The World's rarest Gem Mineral?
You can never have enough Sinhalite
I also buy wholesale lots of gemmy stuff for resale
Just got this bag O Topaz from Pakistan
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Dec 18, 2016 - 08:05am PT
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This rock is a crowd pleaser.
I picked it up for $10 a gram from a Russian vender a show a couple years ago
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2016 - 08:21am PT
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Awesome gems Craig! Thank you for sharing.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Dec 18, 2016 - 10:08am PT
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It's Tuesday somewhere (?) so I'll post up some specimens from my mantle.
Rainbow obsidian I collected from the Rainbow Mine, Modoc National Forest, NorCal.
In 1985, about 3/4 of the way up the N Face of Les Courtes, I found a pocket under a boulder filled with smokey quartz crystals. I grabbed 8 of the best ones and kept climbing. The largest is the size of my fist, this is one of the mid sized pieces.
I didn't collect these, but they are mantle worthy at present.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 3, 2017 - 04:24pm PT
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Nice specimens Edge. Somehow I missed your post earlier.
My last couple of overnight collecting trips before snow arrived, were to Northeast Nevada. I was able to find some interesting specimens around abandoned copper mines. I haven’t been able to positively identify some.
I found some nice Peacock ore, which is likely Bornite, an important copper mineral, but it could be Chalcopyrite, another copper mineral that was exposed to acidic water.
I found some rather unusual copper-stain pyrite, which makes it more likely that the Peacock ore is acid-affected Chalcopyrite.
What I'm pretty sure is Calcite, occured in some very different crystals.
I found small garnets at several mines & one specimen was unique to me since the crystals are irridescent. I can't get a great photo of it, but this is my best try.
Some of the small yellow-green garnets have great color & sparkle.
Then I have the true mystery specimens (to me) that don't match up with minerals found in the mining district.
Maybe a low quality Epidote?
And this blackish mineral that appears to have crystaline sprays. The only possibility from the district is a fairly-rare bismuth mineral, curiously named Bismuthite.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Here's some rare stuff
Enstatite
MgSiO3
Common mineral in meteorites and as small grains where found
But very rare as a nice crystal
Mogok, Myanmar
Kornerupine
you can't help but love the kornerupine
(Mg,Fe2+)4(Al,Fe3+)6(SiO4,BO4)5(O,OH)2
Sri Lanka
Diaspore
AlO(OH), metamorphosed Corundum
only Turkey has gem quality crystals, so far
Grandidierite
MgAl3O2(BO3)SiO4
Madagascar
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 3, 2017 - 09:01pm PT
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Hey! Thanks all for posting up your rocks!
BraveCowboy! Is that tiny pin a new-generation RURP----or what?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Hey Fritz!
It is just a hard to see BD micro stopper. The next pitch took a couple of the, sadly discontinued, petzl universel pins though. It was weird to feel my footholds vibrating through the rhyolite ash flow tuff as the pins lodged along the edges of the breccia clasts
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jan 10, 2017 - 06:57pm PT
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Holy Grail
Varyarenite, rough and cut
Mn2+Be(PO4)OH
Pakistan
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jan 10, 2017 - 07:21pm PT
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Johachidolite
very very rare
CaAlB3O7
Mogok, Myanmar
the purple inclusion is this specimen is photo active Hackmanite
Analcime
NaAlSi2O6·H2O
China
Topaz
An organic crystal that I grow
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jan 17, 2017 - 10:33am PT
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Nice Chalcedony Rose TBC
We have found buckets of the stuff near the Turtle Mts. near Needles, CA.
It has an inner glowing like quality.
I have a jar of near perfect round button roses and clear chalcedony drops.
Down near Palo Verde, you can find some with Fire, as in Fire Agate, which is not a opalescent fire.
Mine look like this
from Google images
I guess you can get good money for some of these specimens
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2017 - 11:31am PT
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TC: Awesome! That's some solid science.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2017 - 03:57pm PT
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A Facebook friend posted some rock-art photos from The Amazing Geologist.
https://www.facebook.com/AmazingGeologist/posts/926020034158003
Backyard Landscaping Pebble Paths That Seem Shaped by The Wind
The designs showcased below have been created by using river stones carefully categorized into colors and sizes. You can only imagine the amount of work invested into such a grand design.
The above photos show nice work, but as a historian, I'd like to share the rest of the story.
Mosaic making, the art of gluing stones, tiles, or pieces of glass into pleasing patterns or images, has been around for about 5,000 years.
Wikipedia has a nice short article on the subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic
The word mosaic is from the Italian mosaico deriving from the Latin mosaicus and ultimately from the Greek mouseios meaning belonging to the Muses, hence artisti.
I've enjoyed a number of ancient mosaics in Europe & have even managed to save images of a few that are 1,000 to 2,000 years old.
The National Museum of Archaeology in Naples has a lot of fine mosaics, mostly recovered from the ruins of Pompeii.
This damaged The Battle of Alexander the Great and Darius was the most impressive mosaic in the museum, to me. It measures 8’9” x 16’7” (2.7 x 5.1 m) and is thought to be a copy of an original Greek painting from 310BCE.
We enjoyed some nice mosaics from Roman times along the Rhone River in France too.
So many rocks, so little time.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2017 - 12:09pm PT
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Idaho Magazine just published my 10 page story about finding a large mystery mine near the summit of 10,529’ White Knob Mountain, a few miles west of the old mining town of Mackay, in the Lost River Valley. The mine shows on 7 ½’ USGS maps, but does not show up in the comprehensive Idaho Geologic Survey databases, or on the Forest Service abandoned mines report for the area.
Here's the magazine story link.
https://www.idahomagazine.com/article/the-mammoth-mine-rediscovered/
White Knob Mountain, so named for the white limestone it is mostly composed of.
The mine explores a “contact-zone” where hot granite had pushed into ancient limestone millions of years back. Contact zones often produce valuable minerals.
A piece of “contact-zone rock, showing white limestone & altered “contact-zone” rock.
A view down the inclined shaft
Looking out a short adit (tunnel) that runs to the shaft.
A Google-Earth view of the mine, with my captions. The summit of White Knob Mountain is at the top of the photo. The intruding granite is visible just left of the adits & the limestone is to the right, with the steep old road descending from center to the right.
With a bunch of research, I finally found some 1880’s history on the mine and identified it as The Mammoth Mine.
A newspaper in the nearest county seat employed a correspondent, who sent in regular reports on the mines in the Lost River area. On May 27, 1884, The report from Alder Creek included this information: “Messrs Peterson, Talbitt, & Canady have the Mammoth & Copenhagen claims up Alder Gulch. On the first named, a 75 foot shaft shows a 6-foot wide vein of galena & carbonates ; the second has a tunnel 100 feet long showing four-feet of ore averaging 90 oz.” (per- ton of ore)
June 24 1884: “Colonel Brodhead of Ketchum was in the first of last week looking at the Mammoth Mine up Alder Creek. He has the refusal of the valuable property for a few days for $30,000. I visited the mine last Saturday & have no hesitation in pronouncing it the biggest thing on Lost River. Floyd Perkins was with us, and on our way to the mine we were caught in a regular Dakota blizzard, and since then Floyd is thinking strongly about migrating to Central Africa.”
June 3, 1887: “E.R. Ferris, the senior member of Ferris Bros. of New York, will arrive here in a few days and work will immediately resume on the Mammoth Mine -which is indeed a mammoth mine- in which that company has a controlling interest. They will proceed at once with erection of concentrating works & the systematic development of the property.”
Oct. 15, 1887: “The concentrating works recently completed for the Mammoth Mine on Alder Creek by the Ferris Brothers are a complete success in every way. Under the efficient management & superintendence of our neighbor Charles Akin the building and all its accessories have been put up in first class style and finished in a manner highly credible to his reputation as a competent mechanic. In view of the high altitude and deep snowfall, the owners failed to make adequate preparation to run the works all winter and will probably soon suspend operations until spring.”
There were no reports on the Mammoth Mine for several years, then:
June 30, 1892: “At Houston (Idaho) there has been some signs of a revival in mining interest. Mr. Turner of Sheffield England, an experience mining man, has lately arrived, and with ample backing of English capital, has commenced the systematic development of the Mammoth Mine on Alder Creek, the property of our popular friend & neighbor George E. Ferris of Arco. So far they have only had a few men at work repairing the road & rebuilding bridges, etc, but in a few days they will commence work at the mine and increase their force to probably a dozen or more, and if developments justify it, start up the concentrating works again, which have for so long been standing idle. We not only wish but expect for them the success so well deserved, for the Mammoth is indeed a magnificent property.”
“Upon the whole, there are now visible many rifts in the clouds of adversity and disappointment, and if a kind providence saves us from the grass-hoppers & mosquitoes, we will, in fine shape, weather the storm. J.D.M.”
The last newspaper article I found that mentions the Mammoth Mine is one dated Sept. 16, 1892:
“The Mammoth Mine on Alder Creek suspended work a few weeks ago, just after completing a good road and making a bare beginning of work in developing the mine. Mr. Turner, the eccentric Englishman in charge of the mine has returned to England leaving us all impressed with the idea that the ways of “Ye mining expert” are past finding out.”
There is no record of the Mammoth Mine ever reopening, but I had the clues I needed to identify the mine near the summit of White Knob Mountain.
1. It was the only mine I found in upper Mammoth Canyon with a shaft.
2. A very steep old road, that is now barely a trail leads from the canyon bottom to the mine.
3. A large collapsed building that still has some large pieces of iron visible, is on a short spur from this road, and it the only structure in the canyon that could be the “Concentrating Works” mentioned in the articles.
The Idaho Geologic Survey does identify a lower more recent mine at the head of Mammoth Canyon as the Mammoth or Mildred Mine, but it doesn’t fit the above description.
Shortly after the article was published, I contacted the Idaho Geologic Survey & found a geologist willing to look at my information. After some good questions, he is willing to share my information with his bosses & thinks it likely that they will include my discovery in their database, with my photos included.
This map shows White Knob at top left with the Mammoth Mine shaft just left of the summit. The mis-identified Mammoth Mine is the next tunnel marked Adit, directly to the south & at a much lower elevation.
The icing on this lost mine cake for me is: the mine sets at 10,468’, which also makes it the highest mine in Idaho. There may be some higher prospect holes, but nothing with a road & a history.
The only problem is, I didn’t find many good rocks there. All I found at the Mammoth Mine was some minor chrysocolla stained rocks. Lower on the mountain I found a few garnets & one specimen with some galena crystals.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Nice find Fritz and thanks for sharing!
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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So what did they presumably mine there? Gold?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2017 - 06:32pm PT
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Albatross! Thanks, I appreciate the complement.
Fear: Based on my going over the mine dumps looking for collectable specimens, I was slightly amazed at how little valuable ore I found. The local contact zones mostly produced copper minerals & lead minerals & darn little gold.
I've rarely found a remote pre-1900 mine with less ore left on the dump. It appears the last mine manager soon figured out that if the mine ever had valuable ore, it was all gone.
From 1860 on, many western U.S. mine promoters mined more income from investors in the eastern U.S. & England, than they mined out of the ground.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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Heidi has a long-term collection of natural rock hearts, but I found a few larger ones to share too.
Bigger Heidi rock heart.
And another.
Maui breaking wave sea-cliff heart & Heidi
Joshua Tree has a big heart.
Hawaii tide-pool heart.
Australia coral heart
Maine art-heart.
Best wishes for a Rocky Valentines Day!
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 14, 2017 - 10:04am PT
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Rocks are fun. I like rocks. More than I like people.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
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johnnyrig. Yep! Rocks are more solid than most people, except for the flaky or schisty ones.
And I agree, most likely pyrite.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 14, 2017 - 02:34pm PT
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"Spurious non-permutaceous diaclassic displacement oriented to the garblebasic plane."
:0)
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2017 - 05:08pm PT
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Tourmaline isn't just tourmaline. Instead geologists call it a group & divide it into 6 different members. But let's make it easy & just think of it as black tourmaline = Schorl, colored tourmaline = Elbaite, & to keep the geologists somewhat calm, I'll add brown tourmaline = Dravite
A lot of gem quality Elbaite has come out of the mountains east of San Diego, but I don't have any specimens.
Idaho is somewhat lacking in tourmaline & I must confess to not yet having found any, but I'm working on it.
In fact, the only tourmaline I've ever found is this river cobble with small pieces of Schorl in it. I dragged it home from a 10,000' high stream in Mustang Nepal.
A friend gave me this nicer Schorl in Mica schist specimen, that she found in the Everest area of Nepal.
A few years back I was quite taken with specimens of Brazilian Elbaite that had intergrown with quartz crystals. I broke down & bought some.
Here's a closeup of that crystal.
Here's a closeup of another quartz crystal with some beautiful tourmaline inclusions.
Multi-colored tourmalines are commonly called Watermelon tourmalines & my specimen in not of gem-quality, but does include a quartz crystal as its host.
Elbaite tourmaline also comes in pleasing pink shades.
At the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show, Elbaite tourmalines to die for, are everywhere.
Here's a couple watermelon tourmalines I found interesting in Tucson.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2017 - 10:02am PT
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We visited the new Bear's Ears National Monument last week & I thought I should share some rocks from there.
The rounded Manos aka grinding stones are some type of granitic rock. There is no granite in the area, but there are plenty of granitic cobbles along the San Juan River 20 miles south. These were carried to this site around 1000 years ago, since the local sandstone does not grind corn & seeds in a satisfactory way.
We of course left them in place.
There was a nice coat of "desert varnish" on this chunk of sandstone. The black-patina provided a nice canvas for art a long time in the past.
Some of the local sandstone (I think it's named Cedar Mesa Sandstone)
shows great cross-bedding.
In other places the sandstone shows nice uneven bedding.
A few miles to the west in a canyon bottom, some of the sandstone is very photogenic.
And don't forget!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dig the tourmaline crystals! That horizontal pictograph is kind of odd,
don't you think? Seems to have survived a lot better than I would expect.
Found these strange mini volcanos near to where you were.
Never seen nuthin like 'em on sandstone.
Oh, here's a real rock...
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2017 - 07:06pm PT
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Reilly! Re your comments:
That horizontal pictograph is kind of odd,
don't you think? Seems to have survived a lot better than I would expect.
Found these strange mini volcanos near to where you were.
Never seen nuthin like 'em on sandstone.
That petroglyph has about a 30 degree angle, but is south facing & unprotected from weathering. I think that black "desert varnish" is darn weather resistant.
I don't remember seeing mini-volcanos like those. Spiders, centipedes, lizards, or snakes,-----or small space aliens?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2017 - 07:47pm PT
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On our last afternoon hike, east of Torrey Utah, we hiked up a wide drainage that narrowed into a slot canyon.
We finally hit a deep pour-off pool that Jerry briefly tried to chimney.
The sandstone had a lot of, iron/ manganese?, inclusions in it, that I attempted to relate to fossilized algae. No-one believed me.
Any professional opinions?
Edit! Per my next post & post #261 in this thread, the above photo is of an iron concretion & it not a fossil.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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possibly desert varnish
Desert varnish consists of clays and other particles cemented to rock surfaces by manganese emplaced and oxidized by bacteria living there. It is produced by the physiological activities of microorganisms which are able to take manganese out of the environment, then oxidize and emplace it onto rock surfaces. These microorganisms live on most rock surfaces and may be able to use both organic and inorganic nutrition sources. These manganese-oxidizing microorganisms thrive in deserts and appear to fill an environmental niche unfit for faster growing organisms which feed only on organic materials. https://www.nps.gov/cany/learn/nature/desertvarnish.htm
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2017 - 08:06am PT
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After some more research on the subject of the strange iron concretions we found, I searched out a publication on the subject that is written for the public.
Desert Varnish & iron concretions, like those I found, in what is probably the Navajo Sandstone formation, are formed in different ways.
Navajo Sandstone iron Concretions are:
• Natural balls and other shapes formed in a porous sandstone.
• Made up of hematite (iron oxide) cement that precipitates around quartz sand grains.
• Likely comes from iron that was bleached out of red sandstone.
• Formed from the mixing of different fluids: reducing water carrying iron
interacted with oxidizing water that induced the iron precipitation.
• More resistant to weathering (i.e., harder) than the quartz sandstone host rock.
• Unusual and can look “out of this world,” but are formed by Earth processes over many tens of millions of years.
Iron concretions are also known by other names (not inclusive) such as:
• Hematite or iron nodules
• Iron sandstone balls
• Moki or moqui (term used by early Spanish) marbles
This illustration is a little blurry in the pdf I copied it from, for some reason
For much more on the subject, here's the link.
http://files.geology.utah.gov/online/pdf/pi-77.pdf
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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TT, what's yer take on my 'mini volcanos'?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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The 'mini volcanos' are just areas of harder sandstone that has eroded slower than the surrounding rock.
They look like they may be enriched with iron, which would give them the rusty color.
They are very common in the Laguna Hills Sandstone. The Mt. Bike trails that go over solid sandstone are covered with them which makes for somewhat treacherous terrain trying to avoid the big protuberances pointing every direction.
Some of my Tourmaline
I collect single crystal specimens, so they don't have any matrix on them.
The Matrix specimens are usually way more expensive.
Those prices of the tourmalines from the Tucson show by Fritz are outrageous!
I usually pay wholesale of look for super good deals.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Yes Fritz, inclusions are what you find in igneous rocks whereas concretions are in sedimentary rocks, generally speaking. As geologist's understand the process now, concretions are typically formed during the early phases of diagenesis (the physical and chemical changes occurring during the conversion of sediment to a sedimentary rock). The chemical precipitation of minerals within the pore spaces of sediment seem to be dominated by oxidation-reduction reactions. One of the most common factors in this process is the presence of organic carbon in the sediment. The oxidation of organic carbon is bacterially driven and takes the water from oxidizing into reducing via aerobic, nitrate reduction, sulfate reduction, and finally methanogenesis if the O-carbon content is high enough. So, if you have red (iron) cementation, you are still under aerobic conditions (free O2 in the water). Nitrate and sulfate reduction tend to lead to green (reduced iron) colors, whereas methanogenesis typically is very dark gray or black.
The concretions tend to form where these oxygenated and reduced waters can mix. Having something like a buried branch (organic carbon) can be the nucleus for such reactions to occur, as in the case of Reilly's mini volcanoes, causing a higher density of precipitation. There are a number of classic cases of fossils being inside of concretions; another case for organic carbon being important in the process at least sometimes.
• Unusual and can look “out of this world,” but are formed by Earth processes over many tens of millions of years.
This statement is an assumption based on an older prevalent geologic philosophy which I think really needs to be reevaluated. The Linda Vista Formation of San Diego (Torrey Pines) is highly cemented with Iron oxide and is famous for it's iron marbles weathering out of the rock. The unit is no older than 1 million years.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2017 - 11:24am PT
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skicridc! Thanks for chimming in.
DMT! Per you statement: I can't help but think - those late 1800s miners were tough bastards, and mostly fools (with other peoples' money).
I've often thought the same, expecially when I find some large & heavy machinery at old mines high in the mountains, that never had a road to them.
The 2' diameter iron wheels probably weigh between 600 & 1000 lbs each. It's the upper part of a tramway system dating to the 1880's. There's not even a trail to the mine, which sets above cliffs at around 10,000'.
In this photo, the mine with the above machinery is right of & just below the snowfield.
And in this photo, the mine is pointed out by the red arrow.
I think folks were tougher then.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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There are still many tough miners out there.....
You should see the images I see from third world country mining
barefooted, a towel wrapped around their private parts, equipped with a hammer and pick
strong men are mixed with children and women, they slink down homemade broken ladders into dark pits for a day or two of mining for a couple cents a day
It's the only work they can get
back before pollution science, miners would last two years max after working the arsenic furnaces,
and with a 100 more ways to be killed
mining was the most dangerous work you could do
and still is for many
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Joshua Tree Quartz Crystals
Not exactly sure where I found them, it may have been on private land
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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A few little SEM images from deep within Pahute Mesa.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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During my misspent youth
I had a need for some big landscaping rocks
How could I bring landscaping rocks from the crags back home w/o a crane??
The answer, collect "Thin Flakes"!!
On one outing, I found some nice big flakes and as I'm loading them into my truck I come to the realization that I'm a "Flake Collector".
So I named a boulder problem "The Flake Collector" for fun, it was a steep flakey face.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mount Baldwin on the East of the Sierras consists of pure limestone.
Near the top, there are some caves with giant calcite crystals
and drusy amethyst quartz
Split Mt. is also limestone with some complex skarn areas that have garnets and other minerals
This is one of my best pieces from the area
This spessartine garnet is from Pakistan
The cross is natural
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2017 - 03:46pm PT
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Nice rocks folks.
Craig, I like that quartz crystal you found with attached garnets. I've found garnets in quartz, but not nice ones attached to a quartz crystal.
Which meant I had to buy some Chinese spesertine garnets on quartz crystals at a Tucson Gem & Mineral Show, since I never found any of those in Idaho's Sawtooth Mts., even though there are, or were, some there.
I do like finding nice mineral specimens out in the mountains, much better than buying them, but "needs must" at times.
I did find a nice topaz as an inclusion in a Sawtooth quartz crystal back in the 1970's. I'd forgotton I had it, until about 4 years back, when I "found it" again, in a dusty box of specimens.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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If there is any doubt how much water came down the Western Slope of the Sierra this winter, check out the log jammed up behind the flake 30' above the river:
Anyway the post is of rock!!! Nice to be out on the granite after this winter.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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2/12/17
https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/112491913/matt-horner
http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/news/local-news/2017/04/keene-ice-climber-back-to-sculpting-art-2-months-after-60-foot-fall/
I have some specimen quality rocks( minerals ) that were kept for 30+ years in a display cabinet that also contained Vermiculite. A product my dad brought home from Libby Montana. We used to take a match or lighter & heat the Mica-like flakes that would then expand in an accordion-like fashion.
The problem is the presence of the fine dust. I found that my crazy mom would encourage toddlers to use cheap Chinese made metal hammers to play ' miner' with her dead husbands exotic rock collection.
Hammering off Crystal extrusions; even chipping off a veneer of raw Opel ;(
- that was a prized find. . .
I boxed the semi-precious stones up, bagged the asbestos /Vermiculite stuffed it in an empty paint, can taped shut with a description, turned it in at the haz-mat recycling.
Now, certain of the specimens can be run through the dishwasher, but it just isn't worth the risk. Boxed samples stones now sit in a moldy garage. It is such a shame. It give's one a window on the damaged folks who I was escaping as a teen in 1979 when I showed up in JTree.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 10, 2017 - 10:28am PT
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Looks a little like my Zirconolite
(Ca,Y)Zr(Ti,Mg,Al)2 O7
the mineral also contains thorium, uranium, cerium, niobium and iron; the presence of thorium or uranium makes the mineral radioactive.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 20, 2017 - 06:13am PT
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Solstice sunrise.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 27, 2017 - 09:46am PT
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Gypsum spears on a dry lake that get picked up by dust devils
"Don't be there then" is the advice given by bystanders!
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jun 27, 2017 - 09:58am PT
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^^^^^ OK, as a geologist THAT is pretty cool and interesting Craig. Never seen anything quite like that.
Hmmmmm, I should post something here today....
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 27, 2017 - 10:00am PT
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Some old photos
Pyrrhotite with galena
Titanite
Ettringite
Andularia with epidote
Scapolite
Sillimanite/Fibrolite
7 carets from the Burmese Gem beds
Way rarer than diamonds in Gem Form
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Jun 27, 2017 - 11:15am PT
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Craig Fry,
Dry lake playas can play host to some pretty amazing things.
Perhaps you have seen some slimy green algal matt floating on some stagnant pond somewhere. Well, the photo below is one such ancient algal mat that was completely silicified by silica-rich water in an ancient wetlands lake. Carbon 14 age dates on spring deposits associated with this lake suggest it all occurred approximately 10,000 to 11,000 years ago.
Elsewhere on this same playa several acres of the surface is covered by these fossilized roots associated with wetland plants such as cattails and bulrushes. I confirmed these tentative identities by digging up modern examples and comparing the modern roots to these fossilized versions. Then I had some thin sections made of the fossils and found microscopic structures quite similar to photomicrographs made of modern roots for the same classes of plants. Pretty Cool!
Play surfaces can be a real treasure trove sometimes.
cheers
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Jun 28, 2017 - 10:42am PT
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What did those fossilized roots and algal mat look like through crossed nicols?
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Jun 28, 2017 - 11:00am PT
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Dark. The silica was cryptocrystalline quartz and was so incredibly finely crystalline as to be nearly opaque in crossed nicols. I could put in the 1/4 wave length gypsum plate and produce pinpoints of blue and honey yellow colors, confirming quartz as the mineral composing them (assuming, of course, that the thin sections were the correct thickness). In plane polarized light I could see and identify features and structures that looked like the types of structures observed in modern roots. That being said, even in plane polarized light they were too dark to make really good photomicrographs so I didn't include any such images in my reports. Additionally, silica replacing the biologic matter made perfect sense in that the bedrock surrounding this paleo-wetland was composed of silica-rich rhyolitic and latitic ash-flow tuffs with a significant component of vitric ash. Since vitrphyres are glassy and thus thermodynamically unstable, that source of silica went right into the water comprising surface runoff and shallow groundwater feeding this wetland system.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Jun 29, 2017 - 07:20am PT
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Thanks Nick, I had to pull out my optical crystallography book, which hadn't been opened for about 35 yrs. Nice analysis!
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Jun 29, 2017 - 07:28am PT
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Scott, as always, you are too kind....
cheers
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I had to pull out my optical crystallography book.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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love the Beryl crystals
These aren't mine, but they live on my computer as rock porn.
Collectors own these pieces
they aren't stuck in some museum
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2017 - 09:10am PT
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Yeah! Gotta love those aquamarines. I've only seen this one on the internet.
Heidi bought this one at the Tucson Gem & Mineral show about 8 years back. Due to the great recession, the Pakistani sellers were not having a good show & she worked them down a goodly ways on their pricing. Aquamarine & Muscovite mica.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 12, 2017 - 10:59am PT
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uh oh, hooblie got a macro
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 12, 2017 - 11:35am PT
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Back when a number of you were posting gypsum from pliocene-pleistocene fw lake deposits, I tried to find a beautifully double terminated gypsum crystal about the size of a silver dollar. It's stashed in a particular box with a number of smaller and more delicate crystals and I cannot find it.
So keeping within the rock theme, here is a rock for you. Large olivine crystals coated with a thin layer of spinel followed by a minimum 1/8th in. thick layer of plagioclase, and then an interstitial filling of hornblende. I like how it looks sort of like coral on the weathered side, but there is one other distinctive thing about it; it's a rock that is theoretically out of equilibrium. Classically, the olivine would back react with the melt instead of forming hornblende, until all the olivine is used up.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 12, 2017 - 01:02pm PT
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Opalized shells
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jul 12, 2017 - 01:35pm PT
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Q
I've seen 'tailings' or? The waste from a furnace process where a "man made" face occurs from it being that in contact with the hot wall and the other surfaces that faced away from the furnace wall looke like that a near glass like bulbous swirl.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 12, 2017 - 05:51pm PT
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This piece was randomly strewn on the table of rocks to go
My wife picked up bags and buckets of rocks from our Mineral club
some were from auctions, some were freebies
I would scan it all and be able to identify the usual mineral club stuff
my response, please sell if you can!
But WTF is this..
this specimen needed a second look
Was it a metal?
volcanic?
after a closer look
looks artificial
what about this unblemished clean man made polished face?
I went straight to a Mohs hardness test, will corundum scratch it?
No
it must be a piece of manmade silicon carbide, one of the carbibes that are rated at ~9.5 on the Mohs scale
A great addition for any mineralogist collection.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2017 - 01:48pm PT
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I spent four days last week in “Darkest Idaho” exploring for collectable minerals. The first part of the trip, was a long drive & then 50 miles of dirt roads to Blackbird Creek & I camped nearby in fairly unscenic terrain.
Up Blackbird Creek is a collection of mines that are currently inactive, but were once the U.S.’s largest source of Cobalt. They had supposedly been off-limits to collectors for years & I had recently read mining was going to start again next year. I thought I should see if the fences & No Trespassing signs were still in place, or not?
Despite an EPA Superfund cleanup at the original Blackbird mill, Blackbird Creek looks pretty toxic.
The mines were off-limits to me, but I did find a small abandoned cobalt mine in another canyon & collected some cobalt minerals.
I then drove to a nearby old copper & cobalt mine & found copper minerals after some hiking & searching.
Late afternoon, I drove to another large creek & camped near the boundary of the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness area.
The next morning, I entered the Wilderness Area & hiked a closed road up 2,100 vertical feet & about 4 miles, to some old Fluorite mines I had last visited two years ago. I was spared the July plague of biting flies that are common in Idaho’s mountains, & although the afternoon was warm, I was restrained in my collecting & only carried about 20 lbs of rocks off the mountain.
I also found some Barite crystals on massive Fluorite.
And a short explanation of why it's called Fluorite.
After getting back to my SUV, I drove another 35 miles of dirt to Hwy 93, drove for about 1 ½ hours on pavement, & camped west of the old mining town of Mackay. The next morning, after a short drive, I started hiking at 7:45 & soon made it to some old Tungsten mines that are just east of scenic White Knob Mountain.
I found one minor garnet specimen at the mines, left it behind & was called to an adjacent 10,000 ft. ridge after noticing some “contact” areas between granite & limestone.
The hiking was easy & the views were great, but no collectable minerals were found.
I resisted climbing higher & was back at my car by 10:30 AM, just as the biting flies were starting to get active. It was a great morning toddle for an old guy, 1,700 vertical feet in elevation gain, some very steep old roads, & some pleasant alpine scrambling. Best of all ----- I didn’t keep any rocks!
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 18, 2017 - 01:52pm PT
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That's some sweet action Fritz
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2017 - 03:16pm PT
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My "old"-friend ImStein & I are pretty-good at finding obscure old mines. I had last hiked into the Lucky Boy mine west of Ketchum, Idaho, about 52 years ago, so I was certain it was there, even if there is not a lot of information about it.
After flying it on Google Earth, I had map coordinates & elevation & knew we would have the enjoyment of working through burned & down trees from the 2007 Castle Rock Fire. We were not disappointed in that aspect, but we never saw a biting fly, mosquito, or woodtick & of course the wildflowers were fabulous.
One nice thing about the 2010 fire is it really opened up the area around the Lucky Boy mine. My teenaged memories were of a dark & well-forested mine area.
The main reason I wanted to visit the mine again was my memories of a large "one-Lunger" aka a one cylinder gas engine there. It was still waiting.
It likely ran an air-compressor for drilling & maybe a pump to move water out of the mine.
The mine had been worked for lead & zinc minerals starting in the early 1880's, but I think it was likely also mined in the 1920's. This photos shows rails leading to the collasped adit. The rocks there were mostly Sphalerite (zinc-iron sulfide) & Pyrite, & both had a strong sulphur smell.
ImStein found a big chunk of ore that broke easily. It had abundant Sphalarite, with I think, a few crystals & also tiny Pyrite crystals too.
This photo shows (I think) some small dark Sphalerite crystals & some Pyrite cubes, along with some iron oxide. The specimen has a strong sulphur odor.
Here's some more weathered (I think) Sphalerite crystals.
We did not find more stuff worth collecting, but the portal was right on a contact zone between limestone & granite. A small outflow trickle of water carried sufficient carbonates that rocks in the water had a good coating of what I believed to be small calcite crystals that had precipitated from the water.
On the way out we had a good view up at more mines we had hiked to 5 years ago. They were mined for silver & lead, but also had a lot of pyrite.
It was a very nice old mine hike.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 25, 2017 - 07:41pm PT
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I picked up this nice Pakistani Brucite a couple weeks ago
which is a new species for me, and hoping to get a cut stone someday
Taaffeite, Mogok
Way rarer than diamonds
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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Portland Japanese Gardens this week. The rocks represent islands, for some observers, in the Zen of things.
Oregon coastline. I suspect the sea-stacks indicate an erroding coastline?
Or if the coastline being up-lifted?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Aug 15, 2017 - 06:14am PT
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Relatively recent folding between faults east of Burro Bend and west of the Salton Sea.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 15, 2017 - 04:08pm PT
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Thanks for the intersting fault related photos skcredit.
Last week, after an over-night in Northern Utah gambling resort, Wendover NV, I drove south 50 miles on pavement & 12 miles on gravel to the one-time mining boomtown of Gold Hill Utah. It prospered as a gold & copper mining center in the late 1800's, then in WWI gained a railroad spur from Wendover & produced Arsenic minerals until the mid 1920’s. It then slumbered until WWII & was once again mined, that time for Tungsten. It slumbers again, although there is some on-going gold mining.
The most substantial building remaining in Gold Hill is the now empty General Mercantile. Despite no electrical line, the town has at least two male residents, who watched me from their porches as I stopped to read a historical marker & take photos. I waved at one, but he didn't wave back. There are a number of cabins that look like they see occasional visitors. I didn't hear any banjos, but I didn't linger.
Old cabin, ore bin & mine dump south of Gold Hill
Due to several large thunderstorms bearing down on me, I did not do a whole lot of hiking, but I found a bunch of massive black tourmaline (Schorl). I was thrilled, since I had never found tourmaline before in the U.S. I know this photo looks like a bed of coal, but trust me, it's Schorl, which is very common in the area.
Azurite (copper oxide), on rock.
Tourmaline & some other copper mineral (maybe Conichalcite CaCu(AsO4)(OH)) on quartz.
As I retreated from Gold Hill, the thunderstorms finally caught up with me.
Retreat to the dubious delights of Wendover, rather than wet car camping, seemed an obvious answer to the storm. On the way north I had some stormy views of the famous Bonneville Salt Flats & more big storms.
The next day, I drove south again, but to Ferber Flat NV. It was first mined in the 1880’s & enjoyed sporadic mining up until the 1950’s. A few of the small copper mines there had minerals of interest to me. Ferber Flat appears not to be in slumber, but instead in eternal repose.
Thr first mine, after driving up a dry wash that was occasionally a road, for 4 miles.
Some mine shafts on Ferber Flat were covered with steel grates, most were like this one.
Here's a scenic view of Ferber Flat from one of the larger mines.
The only copper mineral I found was Chrysocolla. This is the piece I kept.
Most of the mines had areas of garnet rock, but few crystals, & few of those crystals were of interest. This one was an exception & is about 1/2" wide.
It was a calm day in middle of nowhere Nevada. I never saw another human, or even a tire track, or recent trash, & even the wild horses were the calmest wild horses I've ever seen.
I was so calm, I went home.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Aug 15, 2017 - 05:13pm PT
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Nice mini-TR Fritz! I love exploring abandoned mining areas.
DMT and Fritz, I think this area is more or less between the Elsinore Fault to the South, and the San Jacinto Fault to the North. So yes, part of the transform faulting. I believe the sediments are Miocene marine associated with the early opening up of the gulf. There is also a lot of subsidiary faulting going on in this area; I'm sure you both can see some of it on the photos.
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Aug 16, 2017 - 09:53am PT
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Fritz for the win on how best to spend one's retirement years.
Although I am a day late, here are my contributions to post up a rock....
Petroglyphs on a non-welded tuff in south-central Nevada.
Fault scarp in a volcanic terrane, southern Nevada.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2017 - 06:32pm PT
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Thanks skcreidc & Nick! And Nick! Nice petroglyphs!
Heidi & I spent Weds & Thursday nights in Stanley, Idaho, at the north end of the Sawtooth Mountains, enjoying the good life at a Town Square condo & the subtle Stanley nightlife.
We "paid the piper" on Thursday with a 12 mile hike, with about 1,600' of elevation gain. Of course, we decided to hike up a mountain & enjoy some risk-taking, so we could later toast "cheating-death" over our Schnitzel at the Sawtooth Hotel.
Approaching the turn-around point. It had rained heavily the night before & the dirt was quite moist, which made for easy kick-stepping, but loose rocks. We stopped after getting involved in very steep & loose, refrigerator-sized stacked blocks.
The Sawtooth National Recreation Area has been "off-limits" to mineral collecting since 1991. Zealous crystal collectors had been looting quartz crystals from the range, since WWII, but in the late 1980's, some even started dynamiting rocks in attempts to commercially mine for crystals. I totally agreed with the collecting-ban, since the mining was starting to "ugly-up" some scenic high cirques & some of the crystal collectors were really strange & paranoid dudes, (even stranger than we climbers).
However, the ban on mineral collecting seems to have been forgotten by current management. The trailhead signs are gone & there isn't a word about a ban on mineral collecting in the lists of restrictions for the SNRA. We decided we could take home a few small specimens, found on our mountain hike.
We started off the mountain at about 3:00 PM & made it back to our SUV by 5:30. Here's Heidi on the trail down.
After our dinner of Schnitzel & some medicinal wine, the next morning was quite smoky & my left knee was stiff from the previous day's kick-stepping up steep dirt slopes & high-stepping up stacked rock rubble. We enjoyed a pleasant morning visit with a Sawtooth Valley resident, old friend & author, & his lovely wife, & made our way home to Choss Creek.
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kpinwalla2
Social climber
WA
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Here's some Sawtooth crystals I collected near near Hell Roaring Lake in the 80's - before the ban. Smoky quartz, orthoclase feldspar, and a topaz. I often use the topaz crystal in exams because at first glance it could be mistaken for quartz. A closer look by the trained eye reveals orthorhombic symmetry (2/m 2/m 2/m) - quartz is hexagonal. Some climbers once showed me a 2 ft X 2 ft slab covered with fist-sized smoky quartz and orthoclase that they had carried out from the face of Finger of Fate. must have weighed over 100 lbs.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2017 - 03:53pm PT
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kpinwalla2: Nice crystals. I like the area up above the Finger of Fate up Hell Roaring Creek, but unfortunately that was highly accessable to the crystal miners in the 1980's. Still scenic though.
Here's photos of a nice colorfull thumb-sized Topaz I found as an inclusion in a quartz crystal back in the 1970's. What is strange to me is: the quartz crystal has likely been sun-bleached clear, but the Topaz still has nice color?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 12, 2017 - 11:01am PT
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2017 - 04:06pm PT
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Oh Schist! Here it is Tuesday already & I haven't been out rock-collecting, since the now 13 day-ago trip to the Sawtooths. My slightly-arthritic left knee was absolutely ruined after that jaunt & is just now back to normal.
I became a rockhound at about age 5, & the area I grew up in had volcanic rocks that contained various types of chalcedony: agates, jasper, thunderbird eggs, petrfied wood, & geodes were all availble within a few miles of Ketchum, in Challis volcanic flows.
My parents & I carted home hundreds of pounds of treasure & I sold most of it at my mother's estate sale for pennies per hundredweight. I packed up almost all the rest 10 years ago & took about 100 pounds of rocks to old Bob, who ran a nearby rockshop. I brought the boxes in to the store & told Bob I had some rocks that he might like to have. As he started protesting that he couldn't pay much, I cinched the deal by telling him I was giving them to him.
Bob was pretty happy for a while, but then he got bit by one of them Idaho skeeters a couple years later & died of West Nile Virus. Poor fellow was only 88 years old.
So here's three of my childhood rocks. A cut, but unpolished, piece of black-lace agate. Half of that rock went to the fellow that cut it, & all the rest but this piece vanished when some of my old friends helped my mother move back in the early 1970's.
Carnelian agate. It's very translucent.
A small geode with amethyst crystals.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Sep 12, 2017 - 05:39pm PT
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We collect petrified wood
this one area we found on BLM land near Holbrook had loads of sweet wood that we picked up, mostly smaller pieces.
Which happens to be one of the many things we sell.
The Pet wood staging rocks and top dressing used on plant
The Pet. Wood sand is from ant mounds that pile it above their nests, it just happens to be mostly petrified wood.
It's called "Petrified Wood Ant Fines"
Going back in a couple weeks, will do some photos.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Sep 12, 2017 - 06:27pm PT
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Unique stuff Fritz! Please bear with me and my shitty cell phone shots.
First, some precambrian Belt Sequence from Montana. It's amazing how 1 billion year old sediments can look so fresh, relatively speaking.
This next is an example of flasier bedding.
Both of these structures can be used to tell top from bottom, tho assymetric ripples tend to be a slam dunk on that.
Last are salt crystals in mudflat deposits. all three of these sediments are from pretty shallow water deposits, with the ripple marks showing some life tracks.
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L
climber
Tiptoeing through the chilly waters of life
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Sep 12, 2017 - 06:36pm PT
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These just sort of belonged together....
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Sep 12, 2017 - 07:56pm PT
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Early Cambrian trilobite death assemblage in shale.
Actually, more accurate to say molting assemblage. Latham Shale, the facies equivalent to the Bright Angle Shale.
Nice balancing act L.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Sep 12, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
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i came upon a sparsely treed clearing up in the park, nice grazing for the elk.
just below the thin topsoil lurked kaibab limestone of which this is an example.
no bony exposure broke through the grass, nothing to discourage a guy
with a lawn mower as long as a buddy ran ahead and lifted the occasional loaf size rock.
those rocks were almost evenly spaced as if in array, though there were a few close pairs.
i pondered what the mechanism might be to produce the scene and nothing from the geologic playbook seemed to fit.
i did come up with a hypothesis ... when the roots of trees encounter slabby layers in the search for cracks to penetrate,
they grasp chunks that are revealed when a blowdown lays them down, and there is a size sorting function at work,
nothing too huge and smaller chunks don't get the full wrap treatment or are subsumed into the soil process.
as long as the tree takes to disappear completely, the rock can out last it to mark the spot.
so there's a legacy left behind of levering and plucking by trees long gone ... i spoze!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Sep 25, 2017 - 06:50am PT
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A Monday morning perusal of the fine specimen
Led me to feel the need
More not following contrivance; niether a Tuesday post or crystalline beauty
this would be the less fetching version The Rock Is from an area Hy??? something-or-other in India. this un-enhanced snap was a placeholder
I've added the much better version, cropped & brightened.
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L
climber
Tiptoeing through the chilly waters of life
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Sep 26, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
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One of my favorites:
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Sep 26, 2017 - 07:27pm PT
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Afghanistan Scapolite
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 27, 2017 - 03:13am PT
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 07:27am PT
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Thanks folks for sharing such fine rocks!
A FB friend posted about this find today:
A gigantic cave of crystals has been discovered in an old silver mine in Spain.
It occupies a space of 10.7 m³ (8 m long by 1.8 m wide by a 1.7 m average high) and is located at a depth of 50 m in the Pilar de Jaravía lead mine, in the Sierra del Aguilón, in the municipality of Pulpí, coinciding with the sea level, 3 km from the coast.
The geode, which is eight metres (26ft) long and crammed full of gypsum prisms, has been put under police guard to prevent souvenir hunters from raiding the extraordinary natural phenomenon.
The geologist who announced the find, Javier Garcia-Guinea, wants to turn the site into a tourist attraction.
He said that up to 10 people could sit inside the geode - an object normally small enough to hold in your hands.
Read more at http://www.geologyin.com/2016/10/enormous-crystal-geode-discovered-in.html#h1zauVmRMCOte834.99
Here's some photo info on the find.
I found Gypsum crystals as a teenage rockhound along the Snake River west of Hagerman, ID. They were eroding out of clay formations that had been deposited into what Geologists now call Lake Idaho, back a million or so years ago.
Here's one I hung onto.
In the 1990's I found nicer translucent yellowish Gypsum crystals near I-90 west of Gilette WY.
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Here is a mono and a metate I found far up Paintbrush Canyon on the Nevada Test Site.
The mono is composed of densely welded rhyolite tuff and the metate is composed of weakly welded quartz latite tuff.
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Oct 10, 2017 - 07:42am PT
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Nonwelded ash flow and ash fall tuffs of the Timber Mountain Group, northern Crater Flat, NV.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Oct 10, 2017 - 06:00pm PT
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Afghanistan tourmaline
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 10, 2017 - 06:58pm PT
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2017 - 07:40am PT
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Great rocks folks! More please.
Heidi & I did some tree-trimming last summer that opened up the view from our front porch of the basalt cliffs above Choss Creek.
Our enjoyment of fall alpinglow on those cliffs has been greatly enhanced, as well.
I had to refresh my memory about the origin and significance of the cliffs. They come from lava flows that spewed out of Mckinney Butte, about 25 miles northeast of us.
Curiously, the lava flows are collectively named the Mckinney Basalt flows. They date to the late Pleistocene Era, just a little earlier than the Lake Bonneville Flood that happened about 14,500 years ago.
The Mckinney Basalt flows dammed the Snake River about 4 - 6 miles below Choss Creek & a new 450' deep lake lasted long enough for substantial amounts of clay to be deposited in this area.
Then, after the lake had mostly drained when the Snake River cut through weaker formations south of Bliss, the Lake Bonneville flood rearranged the clays, gravels, & large rocks of this valley with flows up to 33,000,000 cubic feet per second.
This canyon was once again briefly filled with water, then again, the Snake River flowed normally until whitey started daming it & destroyed the Salmon Runs starting with Swan Falls dam south of Boise in 1901.
On the map below, the Pillow lava was caused by contact with Snake River water.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 24, 2017 - 09:22am PT
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fascinating sequence you're describing fritz.
are those silt clays what makes for good potato dirt or maybe aeolian deposits?
hadn't thought of fresh water pillow lava - or snagging poached salmon right outta the drinkanyway, there's a rock ... right on top of that other rock
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 24, 2017 - 09:33am PT
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the Lake Bonneville Flood that happened about 14,500 years ago.
I read that there was more than one of those events. Could you imagine being a witness and survivor to one of those floods. Yikes.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 24, 2017 - 07:40pm PT
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this stone was rendered bronze by sunlight through the plume of a nearby prescribed burn
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 24, 2017 - 07:43pm PT
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You might get yer feet wet gettin' to it.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Oct 25, 2017 - 07:39am PT
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My memory stick just broke, so the photos of the Pet. Wood haul with have to wait until I re-edit them.
I do have these as filler
Some quartz
Amethyst
And my new collections of Pargasite (green) and Richterite
I just picked up a sweet cut piece of Richterite
talk about rare!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2017 - 08:50am PT
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hooblie! Re your question on my geology lesson of the area around Choss Creek:
are those silt clays what makes for good potato dirt or maybe aeolian deposits?
Here's what the geologist that wrote the report had to say on the subjecct of the Yahoo clay.
Throughout this area, the Yahoo Clay is monotonously uniform in its lithology,consisting of laminated clay and sparse amounts of
silty clay.
The clay is compact and
hard when dry, breaking with a conchoidal fracture,
but readily slakes in water. The eroded surface
weathers to form a loose, “popcorn” surficial layer a
foot or more thick, possibly because of the presence
of clays that swell when wet.
About 1/3 of the soil on our ranchette fits the above discription & is NOT potato-friendly. Most of the Snake River Plain farming is done on thin layers of sandy loam derived from natural erosion of basalt & wind distribution of that & re-depositing of Snake River aluvial deposits. There are some soils on the eastern part of the Snake River Plain that fit the definition of Loess, but not around here.
Wayno! The Lake Bonneville flood came from the failure of an old landslide that let loose a 450' high wall of water that gradually subsided as the lake lowered.
I suspect you are thinking of the Glacial Lake Missoula floods that devastated Eastern Washington & happened repeatedly due to glacial ice dams that came & went.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 26, 2017 - 10:51am PT
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monotonously uniform in its lithology,c
Boy, howdy! But I still love it when you talk dirty! :-)
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2017 - 02:08pm PT
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Reilly! I like it when geologists have some fun with their reports.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 15, 2018 - 08:13am PT
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Jan 15, 2018 - 08:39am PT
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It seems we are always finding fault these days, so I thought I would add my 2 cents worth.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2018 - 10:39am PT
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Mouse! That first photo looks like a nice chunk of petrified wood.
Nick Danger! That's not my fault, but thanks for posting. Maybe someone here will accept it as their fault?
Idaho's best fault is under its highest peak Mt. Borah.
The 1983 Mt. Borah earthquake was measured at 7.3 on the Richter Scale. Because the area it occured in is mostly rural, there was not extensive damage to life or property, but unfortunately two schoolgirls were killed in nearby Challis, when a wall collasped on them.
From Idaho State Unviersity on the ensuing scarp-line that shows the fault.
Fault displacement that produced this intense earthquake was expressed in spectacular surface ground rupture along a northwest-trending, 22 mile-long zone on the western flank of the Lost River Range. A west-northwest-trending section of faulting that branches off of the main surface fault trace west of Dickey Peak gives the surface faulting pattern a Y-shape. Much of the zone of surface rupture follows the Holocene and upper Pleistocene fault scarps of the Lost River fault. Fault scarps, the most common features along the zone of surface faulting, look like small steps or cliffs. Fault scarps are produced when adjacent blocks of the earth's crust move relative to each other and are displaced along a fault plane. http://imnh.isu.edu/digitalatlas/geo/quakes/borahEQ/boraheq.htm
Vertical displacement was about 9 feet, with Mt. Borah gaining 6 inches & the valley floor dropping 8 1/2 feet.
I recall a story about a local woman who happened to be standing right next to the fault & got to see the scarp line open up in front of her. Maybe it was her fault?
“Lawana Knox of Challis, Idaho, witnessed the for-mation of a fault scarp during the Ms 7.3 earthquake of 28 October 1983 along the Lost River Range, Idaho. The earthquake occurred at 8:06 a.m. local time (1406 UTC) while Mrs. Knox was hunting with her husband, William Knox.
Mrs. Knox was sitting at a point along a fork of Arentson Gulch…and was watching the southwest-facing slope down which she expected to see her husband driving elk. As she watched, the fault scarp formed before her eyes. At the closest point, the scarp was about 300 m away, but she could clearly see the scarp for at least 1 kilometer both to the northwest and to the southeast.
Mrs. Knox reported that the 1- to 1.5-m-high scarp formed in about 1 second. She reported that the scarp reached its full height quickly, and that it did not appear to adjust up or down later or oscillate up and down while reaching its full height. Mrs. Knox reported that the scarp did not form until the peak of strong shaking was beginning to subside.
Upon being asked how long the strong shaking lasted, Mr. Knox replied, “about a minute.” Mrs. Knox disagreed and said, “it might have been a half a minute, but it felt like a lifetime.” Both Mr. and Mrs. Knox said the earthquake started with noise and that “the earthquake came from the south, from the direction of Borah Peak.” After the first sensa-tions, the ground shook harder and harder, and only after the shaking started to subside or ease did Mrs. Knox see the scarp form.”—from Wallace (1984)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284309437_Twenty_years_after_the_Borah_Peak_earthquake-field_guide_to_surface-faulting_earthquakes_along_the_Lost_River_Fault_Idaho
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Jan 15, 2018 - 11:06am PT
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Fritz,
The following is the AEC's fault, quite literally.
This 3 meter high fault scarp formed the moment the Faultless underground nuclear test was triggered on 19 January, 1968, at the central Nevada Test Area. This location was chosen for particularly large yield device testing because lower yield devices were already causing too much damage in Las Vegas. CNTA is truly located in the middle of nowhere (96 mi east of Tonopah, the nearest town); it was chosen for its remoteness and its supposed lack of seismic activity. Why they thought it was aseismic is anybody's guess because you can see subtle fault scarps in Holocene alluvial fans in the low angle light of early morning from the site. Anyway, in the event the test formed this graben as well as triggering deeper faults 25 and 50 miles away. No more tests were conducted at CNTA after that first one. There is so much evidence of extensional stress associated with the Walker Lane throughout this area that it amazes me anyone would have been surprised by that test triggering seismic activity.
So, it's AEC's fault.
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Jan 15, 2018 - 11:10am PT
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PS, I am always a fan of your posts, Fritz, just love seeing the stuff from Idaho.
Keep up the good work there in Choss Creek.
cheers
Nick
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 15, 2018 - 11:43am PT
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Dirty dancing! One of my majors was geography. Sadly, I only capisco the ‘geo’ of this thread.
But I like other things that I don’t unnerstand, too, like wimmen. 🤪
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2018 - 11:23am PT
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I took a long road trip down to the Silver City area in western New Mexico, on my way to meet Heidi at the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show.
On the way, my most memorable moment was spent standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona.
Then the next morning, I visited a Native American Great House ruin, Casa Malpais, with a local history buff, who had access to the ruin through a locked gate. It's located near the AZ-NM border town of Eager.
The most outstanding rock at the ruin was incised with Petroglyphs & is a Winter Solstice marker. At midday on the Winter Solstice, a finger of light moves down to the Ram's Horns at center.
Then I enjoyed a scenic drive south to historic Silver City NM, where I spent two nights. Silver City was unexpectedly larger & busier than I had imagined. Worse yet, nearby huge & active copper mines had vast areas of mineralized areas fenced & posted No Tresspasing.
The next day, on the edge of an active mining area, I found a road that was blocked with large rocks, but not signed, & I wandered up it, uncomfortabley aware that I was also on the edge of a rural subdivision. I found one nice chunk of the copper mineral Azurite & then retreated for a drive around a couple of the active copper mines.
The Santa Rita mine, which was first discovered by Spanish explorers in the early 1800's is miles across & still growing.
A few smaller old mines & headframes are on the edges of the Santa Rita mine, but all I noticed are posted & fenced.
In the adjacent town of Bayard, there is an exhibit of old mining machinery along the highway. I liked the small boiler on wheels, which was towed around to exploratory drill-sites to power compressed-air drills.
This much-later mucker-hauler was also powered by compressed air. The operator stood on the small steel step.
That afternoon, I drove north of Silver City on Hwy 15 & north of the old gold-mining Town of Pinos Altos I found Forest Service lands & access to the Continental Divide Trail & a historic Arresta site. I wandered up the trail for a few miles, taking side trails to various small abandoned mines. Blessedly, I did not find any minerals of interest to pack out.
The next day I headed south to Lordsburg, hoping to find some small abandoned mines around the old mining town of Tyrone. The whole mining district is now another huge open-pit copper mine, which is of course fenced & signed.
In Lordsburg, I actually found a decent rock-shop on old Hwy 66. It was open, but upon my waking up the owner from his late-morning nap & asking if he had any local mineral specimens, I got geriatric confusion. The shop had a lot of specimens & he wandered around for a long while muttering to himself that he used to have some he had found at the big-pit south of Lordsburg, when you could still collect there. He didn't find anything & I left for Tucson.
However! A few days later, Heidi & I drove down to remote Chiricahua National Monument, which is a wonderland of Rhyolite erosion. The CCC lads built a great series of trails through some of the "hoodoos" in the 1930's with much rock-stacking, drilling, blasting, & digging. We hiked the 3.4 mile Echo Park Loop. Here's Heidi at the start of the hike, which trends steeply downhill.
Fritz along the way. Note the light green lichen on the pinkish Rhyolite. That cool lichen is also featured on much of the granite at Cochise Stronghold, which is in the next range to the west.
Hoodoos!
There were lots of balanced rocks.
On the trail out, we found this layer of rhyolite marbles, all nicely glued together. Since it was such a localized formation, all I can guess is they came from a nearby spatter-cone?
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cron
Trad climber
Dover
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Feb 20, 2018 - 12:00pm PT
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 20, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
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Reedmergnerite from Zagi Mt. Pakistan
So rare I can't even find info on it
NaBSi3O8
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 20, 2018 - 02:19pm PT
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Thanks Fritz
There is a little info on Reedmergnerite
But it sure is lacking compared to most minerals
No photos on Google images look like my specimen
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 20, 2018 - 02:25pm PT
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Diopside from Badakhshan Afghanistan
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Feb 20, 2018 - 03:23pm PT
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Nice pic, Jeff.
Fritz, those "rhyolite marbles" are spherulites. The rhyolite they occur in was emplaced as a voluminous pyroclastic flow that was hot enough upon deposition to fuse into a dense glassy mass. The interior of the flow retained heat long enough to grow microcrystals but the upper and lower margins of the flow quenched as a volcanic glass. Glass is thermodynamically unstable and wants to achieve a lower Gibbs free energy state by crystalizing, but is caught in kind of a thermodynamic catch-22. As the temperature drops the thermodynamic drive to crystalize grows stronger, but the amount of thermal energy present to actually drive the crystallization process is diminishing. In such situations small imperfections in the glass become nucleation sites for the first crystals, and since the thermodynamic drive is so great crystallization occurs rapidly outward in all directions from that initial seed crystal. The crystallization front progresses outward as a spherical surface. Since the processes of seed crystal nucleation and outward crystal growth occur in a very narrow window in temperature/chemical composition/Gibbs free energy space, the resulting spherulites are typically uniform in size and occupy a rather restricted stratigraphic horizon within the parent welded tuff.
This is a photo of a pyroclastic flow that was neither thick enough nor hot enough to fuse into a densely welded tuff. that being said, these types of nonwelded tuffs have their own internal thermodynamic and geochemical tricks to play.
Gawd how I love volcanic rocks!
BTW, the new Jurassic World movie is going to have both dinosaurs and volcanos! I expect it to be the most important movie in my adult life. the only way they could possibly improve on that lineup would be to add P-51s.
cheers
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2018 - 03:57pm PT
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Nick! Thank you for the explanation that the Rhyolite marbles are actually crystals. Heidi & I were fascinated.
Here's a closer shot of the "spherulites."
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2018 - 09:18am PT
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While we were in Tucson, we went to several of the venues for the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show. The show spreads out to a number of hotels & some tented expositions along both sides of the freeway through Tucson. It culminates in the 3-day Convention Center Expo, which ends the two-week long show. Most vendors are there from Jan 27 to Feb 10th. It was the 4th time we’ve been to the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show & I confess to not being as excited about seeing hundreds of thousands of the finest mineral specimens in the world, as I used to be.
It is great to escape winter in Idaho for 80 degree f. days in the desert and it was fun to visit with some of the more friendly mineral dealers.
Some of the larger hotel parking lot shows entail miles of exhibits.
A couple 5" tall Aquamarine crystals, I think from Pakistan.
The most popular hotel show for "serious" collectors used to be called the InnSuites show & is now the Hotel Tucson City Center. They have unfortunately lost about 70% of their parking lot, so traffic congestion there can be ugly. They do usually have some fun outside exhibits.
There were a lot of nice fossil specimens at the Granada Ave. Arizona Mineral & Fossil show & some great mineral specimens too.
Sabertooth tiger skeleton attacking an unidentified skeleton.
Heidi had been jonesing for a large & light-colored Wulfenite specimen, since seeing some huge ones last year at Tucson's Desert Museum. We finally found some from Arizona's Rowley Mine on our last day at the show. A pleasant young geologist/dealer had just purchased some from a miner & was willing to give us bargain prices, since he needed some cash. I'm happy Heidi likes this kind of "rock" for Valentine's Days, versus what jewelery stores sell.
I bought some inexpensive specimens for resale, but ended up buying a nice & large Diopside specimen for myself, from Kimbedi in the Republic of the Congo. I really like the color.
We left Tucson on Feb 11, just as the jet stream roared south & brought rain & cold weather to the desert. We worked our way home on Hwy 95 from Vegas to Tonopah & visited some of the early 1900's gold-mining boom towns on the way to Tonopah's classic Mizpah Hotel.
Rhyolite's famous bottle house. Empty liquor bottles were an abundant & free building material.
Bottle house detail.
Goldfield NV isn't dead, but it is slumbering despite the number of bars still open. The Goldfield Hotel was once the finest between San Francisco & Denver, but despite some attempts to reopen it, is currently closed.
tile floor detail.
Just east of Goldfield are hundreds of mines, including some that are still being mined.
Dozens of mine dumps in this photo.
The early 1900's Hotel Mizpah in Tonopah has been nicely restored & is a somewhat fascinating place to stay, since it also come with a much-touted ghost of a early 1900's prostitute, who was murdered in a top-story room.
The storm changed to snow that night & we were punished for trying to escape winter with icy roads the next morning & another two-weeks of winter in South Idaho.
Here's our hotel room view, with the snowstorm approaching.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 27, 2018 - 09:53am PT
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Good stuff Fritz
I'm not allowed to go to the Tucson Show anymore because I spend all my mineral money buying on E-Bay these days.
We went a couple times, and as usual, I spent all my money in about 1-hour.
Then it's pure torture to look at all the other stuff I could've bought if I saved some for the other 1000 of sellers.
Some day, after I retire I will go, maybe even sell.
You can some really great stuff on E-Bay directly from the miners. They can set-up a E-Bay store with just an IPhone and a PayPal Account.
If they rip anyone off, they lose their E-Bay store fast, so it's very secure and legit.
Afghanite
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Feb 27, 2018 - 10:06am PT
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Fritz,
You just have the very best kind of fun for a retired guy. I hope one day to wander north and meet up with you for a little goe-phun. I have a long history with places like Tonopah and Goldfield and this was a very nice stroll down memory lane - thanks, Fritz.
Some native sulfur from one of those mining dumps near Goldfield.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2018 - 10:41am PT
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Nick! By all means! Here's my backup email, which I don't check every day, but I do check it. raybrooksrep@gmail.com
Maybe we can share a Great Basin adventure? I still have lots of places I want to go in eastern NV & west UT.
I haven't got to wander around Nevada with a geologist since the mid-1980's.
I have a geologist-grad friend, who never worked in the profession, but had become slightly obsessed with returning to a northeast Nevada Triassic Ammonoid site he had visited years earlier on a college field trip. We never did find it in about 10 daze of searching, but after he became more involved in child-rearing & work, I finally stumbled across reference to it in a mineral collectors magazine.
It still took some work to find it, but by the late 1990's, the ammonoid rich cliff my pal remembered, had been bulldozed by large-scale collectors. I still found some great specimens, but I think he would have been disappointed.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2018 - 07:11am PT
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I made the long drive down to Tonopah on Sat. & got home at 6:00 P.M. on Tuesday. I enjoyed two full days of hiking to old mines & managed to log a lot of up & down, & about 5 miles hiking, on each day. Although I didn't put up great mileage or vertical feet, I spent about 6 hours on my feet each day, since I don't have any desire to sit down in the Nevada desert. I also had mineral collecting fun & shorter hikes on the two travel days.
The 14,000' high White Mountains in my background, as I garnet hunt a skarn to a minor Nevada highpoint.
On my 2nd full day, my 3rd of four hikes was to the top of a big tungsten mine. My SUV is down there at center left. I was very pleased with my mineral finding efforts on day 3. I did not pack a single rock back to my SUV.
I left a lot of garnets behind.
But I confess to bringing some specimens home.
Thumb-sized garnets.
Chalcopyrite & tiny translucent garnets.
A nice green translucent epicote crystal.
I left the chrysocolla specimens on the mountain.
I saw a bunch of lizards, but no snakes. That's fine with me.
What I assume is a desert bighorn. I chased him up the very steep edge of an open pit mine.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 25, 2018 - 10:02am PT
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It's tricky buying minerals over the internet
Like that Reedmergnerite I bought last month, it turned out to be Pink Apatite (hardness= apatite (5), very bright orange under UV), which would cost about the same as I paid, and which I already have a specialty collection of, so it wasn't a bad deal
here is a real Reedmergnerite image from Google
So look for this form if you're buying Reedmergnerite
But my latest buy caught me by surprise
It said "Spodumene on Amazonite"
and I'm looking at that Amazonite and saying "WOW", that is some sweet Amazonite!! I must buy.
I get it shipped to me from Pakistan, and open it up and think that this is Not Amoazonite, it looks like Beryl, which would be even better!!
So I test it and it's too soft for Beryl, I'm a little out of ideas until I see a Pargasite crystal the same color on a shelf, take it out and compare,,
It's Pargasite!!! Which is a Wow times 10!!!
I never even heard of Pargasite 5 years ago, now I have Pargasite from 3 different locations and the mother Lode Crystal with a Spodumene crystal stuck on top to add to it's prized value
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 25, 2018 - 05:39pm PT
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Pink Apatite
My wife supports my obsession with nice Pink Apatite
Here is a crappy photo of the good stuff, with the fake Reedmergnerite leaning up on the biggest piece
Pargasite, an uncommon amphibole
seems to be very hard to find as cut gems.
Conclusion:
Need to focus on better photography of mineral specimens
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 25, 2018 - 06:37pm PT
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brule formation cowboy route shenanigans
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Apr 25, 2018 - 07:58pm PT
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Apr 25, 2018 - 07:59pm PT
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A day late on Wednesday but here you go....pyrite in marl:
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2018 - 08:00pm PT
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Charlie D, Craig.. I-b-gob, & Brave Cowboy! Thanks for posting up.
I used to buy mineral specimens from international sellers on Ebay, but with some exceptions, I have mostly stopped.
I am sure there are lots of legitimate sellers in China, but I have suffered from those who are not.
I have never noticed an intentional fraud from an Ebay seller based in Pakistan.
There are several internet sites that offer up valid tips on where not to buy minerals & what minerals offered on international sites, to avoid. It is advise well worth looking at.
M y favorite site is Fakeminerals.com http://www.fakeminerals.com/
It also links to another good site with a long list of fake minerals, Thevug.com
http://www.the-vug.com/educate-and-inform/fakes-and-forgeries/
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Apr 25, 2018 - 08:06pm PT
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Fritz, a former business partner of mine has an outstanding mineral collection including some amazing pyrite samples....extraordinary really, multiple interlocking cubes. He lives up in Buhl Idaho on the Snake, any where near you? I'm sure he'd love to show you his collection. Drop me a PM if you're interested.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Apr 25, 2018 - 08:56pm PT
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This happened on Tuesday:
WYDOT is putting in a parking area at our local crag so us climbers don't have to walk through the highway tunnels to get there. A contractors truck took a hideous shot from up high. Glad no one was hurt.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2018 - 09:08pm PT
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CharlieD! I'm in your mineral collector friend's neighborhood. My understanding is, ST PM's don't work anymore.
Here's my other email. I don't check it every day, but it is secure.
raybrooksrep@gmail.com
Wyorockman!
Scary!
Those rocks revenge themselves on humans every now & again. About 15 years ago, two Japanese tourists got squished by a huge boulder, while they were driving the scenic pass in Glacier National Park.
I still remember, just before I visited Squamish Chief for the first time, back in the early 1970's, a woman was driving a VW Bug up the road under the cliff & a single large granite boulder landed on top of her car.
She & the VW Bug were "squished like a bug," I'm sorry to say. My regrets to her friends & family.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 25, 2018 - 09:41pm PT
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flip'd& turn'd.180*The question is
If there were 2-3 shoe boxes, from a 5 by 8, six shelf dispay's, worth of b-,quality (@best) gem-ish, stones, but they were stored in that glass front, tight Cherry wood box, with,Vermiculite, In its raw form it resembles Mica deposits. When these randomly shaped 'flakes' are exposed to high temperature, a rapid expansion occurs.As I understand it, basically , raw Asbestos.
Would yo pull the tape opening the shoe boxes?
WyoRockMan, climber
Grizzlyville, WY, Apr 25, 2018 - 09:50pm PT
I'd do it outside with the wind at my back and nitrile gloves.
THNX WyoRockman, sturdy advice.
I've got the gloves and respirator.
I packed the boxes so know what's there,
I chose not to wrap most,,
the best of the crystal structured stones were placed one a table with toddlers with Fisher Price hammers, after 20 years of the entombment.
I do not join any family events where those now 20 somethings, are in attendance.
there are a few things, a bucket of soapy water, a breeze at my back. A dishwasher rack & hair dryer, maybe.( maybe just the dishasher? the wife will say no)
next week... I'm due to see them, as I empty the garage of accumulated
Stuff, The yearly purge of old coffeemakers,used up toasters, a few air conditioners & box style TVs. The bicycles no one ever rides.
So well, risking my life to bring you guys pictures of rocksThe power of choss, shoe shots Don't go there , you'll break yer' neck. . .stoked to be back,No pre-cleaning needed unless the aim is the low sort of horizontal crack, the wide thing with a stick and round rock blocking the exit
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Apr 25, 2018 - 09:50pm PT
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I'd do it outside with the wind at my back and nitrile gloves.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Rarest Gem Mineral List, not including red or blue diamonds
10.Poudretteite
9. Tanzanite
8. Benitoite
7. Grandidierite
6. Black Opal
5. Red Beryl
4. Jadeite
3. Taaffeite
2. Alexandrite
1. Painite
Poudretteite....
KNa2B3Si12O30
10th on the list but by far the rarest
rarer than Red Diamonds?, maybe
My new Certified Poudretteite crystal from Burma (Myanmar)
Not that exciting
But once I clean it up, and get a cut stone or 2...
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2018 - 01:23pm PT
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Last summer I ventured out to the not quite ghost town of Gold Hill, which slumbers on the western edge of the Bonneville Salt Flats. I was rained out after half a day's adventure visiting old mines & searching for collectable minerals.
This week, after a morning round of "honey-dos" for Heidi, I got a late start from home, but found a scenic camp spot on a low ridge, right next to an old mine, by 5:00 in the afternoon. There was a nice view down to some old mine buildings.
I did a little hiking & mineral hunting at the adjacent mine before sundown & cocktail hour. The mine still enjoys open shafts that produced satisfying sounds of prolonged falling, when I tossed rocks into them.
With cocktail hour not starting until about 7:00 PM, I had to take that first sip of wine seriously.
Sunset was pleasant too.
I was off & hiking by 7:30 the next morning. The lower mines of the group I had camped at did not produce much of interest, but I carried off a piece of Malachite & a chunk of copper ore with Chalcopyrite.
I did find more open inclined mind shafts & a foot-long tolerant Great Basin Collared Lizard.
After a short drive, I decided a hike out to a minor high-point named Lucky Day Knob might be of interest, since there were a number of old mines around the Knob.
Lucky Day Knob is at top center in this photo.
A closer view, with a large mine at left.
The east view from the top of Lucky Day Knob out to Bonneville Salt Flats & Granite Peak, which is off-limits, since it's in a bombing range, was a pleasant sight.
With a little more hiking, I found a nice Desert Horned Lizard & some black tourmaline (Schorl).
More to follow!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2018 - 05:27pm PT
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That afternoon, I went to a better-known mine & collected my first-ever:
Conichalcite, CaCu(AsO4)(OH), is a relatively common arsenate mineral related to duftite (PbCu(AsO4)(OH)). It is green, often botryoidal, and occurs in the oxidation zone of some metal deposits. It occurs with limonite, malachite, beudantite, adamite, cuproadamite, olivenite and smithsonite. From Wikipedia
Conichalcite forms in the oxidation zones of copper orebodies. Here groundwater enriched with oxygen react with copper sulfide and copper oxide to produce an array of minerals such as malachite, azurite and linarite. Conichalcite is often found encrusted on to limonitic rocks that have yellow to red colors.
Conichalcite will also form a solid solution series with the mineral calciovolborthite. When these two minerals form a solid solution series, the two interchanging elements are arsenic and vanadium. Conichalcite is the arsenic rich end member of the series and calciovolborthite is the vanadium rich end member.
Notable occurrences of conichalcite include Juab Co., Utah; Lincoln and Lyon counties of Nevada and Bisbee, Arizona, in the US; Durango, Mexico; Collahuasi, Tarapaca, Chile; Calstock, Cornwall and Caldbeck Fells, Cumbria, England; Andalusia, Spain; and Tsumeb, Namibia.
Here's two pieces of Conchalcite I found, to the left of a piece of Malachite I found in Nevada, on a previous trip.
And another shot of a botryoidal Conchalcite specimen.
Sluuurp!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2018 - 05:45pm PT
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After getting my Conichalcite fix, I sought out another mine I wanted to visit.
Bear in mind, Quartz Monzonite has intruded the much older Ochre Mountain Limestone over wide areas south of Gold Hill & this intrusion of hot rock has produced numerous mineralized contact zones. The area was originally mined for gold, silver, lead, & copper, then for arsenic & tungsten during WWI, & again during WWII.
The final mine group of the day. Main tunnel at lower center & the mine dumps at top, are connected. The lens-shaped ore body was mined in a series of "stopes."
The miners worked up through the ore body and topped out here. The lens shaped ore body was probably mined for tungsten, & the timbers protected against the walls of the "stope" caving in.
From Wikipedia: Stull stoping is a form of stoping used in hardrock mining that uses systematic or random timbering ("stulls") placed between the foot and hanging wall of the vein. The method requires that the hanging wall and often the footwall be of competent rock, as the stulls provide the only artificial support.
More "stopes" that connect to the main tunnel below. A rock I tossed in fell for a long tiime.
At this point the ore body had narrowed considerably.
With some searching of the ore dumps I found some copper minerals, some strange looking Schorl, & some small garnets.
Schorl with Chrysocolla.
Strange looking Schorl, but I'm assured it is Schorl (black tourmaline).
About then, it started raining, & I left for Choss Creek.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 16, 2018 - 08:10am PT
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Might be an amphibole,
like actinolite or hornblende
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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May 16, 2018 - 09:42am PT
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Here's a cool er hot photo of new lava rock!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2018 - 07:35am PT
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Our wet May has not been good for my mineral collecting visits to the Great Basin & the joys of killing weeds, trimming trees, & mowing the lawn were starting to make me a little restless.
On Memorial Day, I found a forecast for NW Utah that predicted Tuesday & Weds would be rainless days. On Tuesday, I managed a crack of 9:00 start & headed back to the Gold Hill Utah area for hiking & mineral collecting.
Tuesday was a very nice day. I got to the Gold Hill area early afternoon & enjoyed two hikes to old hill-top mines.
At the first mine, there were three large adits, each about 500 feet apart. The largest one in the middle, had been worked on recently by the BLM & both the adits were gated. Since there is no road into that mountainside mine, I assume the steel gates were helicoptered in. I did find some interesting copper carbonate & copper silicate specimens there.
Some Chrysocolla, with a little Azurite around the edges.
Here's a little specimen I took home, with micro-crystals of Azurite outside Chrysocolla.
I also found a specimen of densely clustered black Tourmaline crystals, with a slight coating of Chrysocolla. It looks better in hand, than in the photo.
After that, I explored another group of mines closer to camp & I didn't set up my car-camp until 7:30 PM.
Craig Fry! Re your comment on my strange looking black Tourmaline/Schorl
“Might be an amphibole,like actinolite or hornblende”
The two Geologic survey publications, I have of the area, mention how widespread the Tourmaline is in some places & indeed there is some actinolite, but it appears as bladed light colored crystals, which I did not encounter.
Re my showing strange looking Schorl/ black Tourmaline. Here’s some experts on the subject: MINERALIZATION IN THE GOLD HILL MINING DISTRICT, TOOELE COUNTY, UTAH by H. M. EI-Shatoury and J. A. Whelan:
“Tourmalinization is associated with extensive silicification and locally abundant apatite. Tourmaline
occurs in tabular crystals, in columnar aggregates and in the form of radiating needles on the surface of
quartz or orthoclase I forming "tourmaline suns." Some crystals show hexagonal zoned cross sections.”
Here’s a little more classic specimen of black Tourmaline, as radiating needles from the second mine I explored.
I didn’t make it to my ridge-top car camp until 7:30, but the weather was calm and there were few biting bugs about.
On Weds, I was hiking by 8:00 AM, & the first raindrops hit me on top of a hill at 11:00 AM. But I enjoyed exploring some more old roadless mines, & found more copper specimens.
Here’s a classic Conichalcite, CaCu(AsO4)(OH), that I found early on in the morning. It also has several Tourmaline crystals sticking out & some Calcite crystals.
Late morning, I found some more more Conichalcite, as a thin coating on quartz.
& a couple of significant lizards.
This one was posing by some Conichalcite.
And this Great Basin Collared Lizard picked a broken miner’s shovel to warm up in.
I had a full-blown thunderstorm chase me off another hill at 12:30.
Back to weed-killing on the Ranchette for me.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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The various knobs, hooks, door and drawer pulls where I live are polished Ammonite fossils. The septa patterns are pretty simple so I’m thinking they are pretty early on in ammonite evolution... I’m guessing early Monday do vintage an, any thoughts?
Almost as if they were waiting for a paleontologist emeritus to move in?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Butte Monzonite with some thin splitters but will the lady approve or slap you down...??
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2018 - 04:35pm PT
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Jaybro! Re your comment on your collection of Ammonite knobs:
The septa patterns are pretty simple so I’m thinking they are pretty early on in ammonite evolution... I’m guessing early Monday do vintage an, any thoughts?
So----- I believe Ammonites came pretty late & the earliest of them were not created until late on Thursday, but I do not claim to be an expert on that subject.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2018 - 04:37pm PT
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Cragar: I traveled Montana as a sales-rep until 2013 & I was always impressed by that huge statue above Butte. I'm betting the nearby granite easily lasts longer.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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When I say Monday, I of course mean Devonian 😎
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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I figure I'll throw this out to the Taco brain trust since I don't know enough about rocks to even know what to Google. Found at about 7000' in the western Sierra, out past Shaver Lake. Anyone know what's going on with the "eggshell"? Something during formation? A river rock with a million years of oxidation slowly penetrating the surface?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Looks Easy, Dinosaur egg?
then, 'cause it funny what we have in our unique spheres that we also share, I love this
touch stone
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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A river rock with a million years of oxidation slowly penetrating the surface? yes
Giant Rock broken off flake
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Fritz, that specimen with the radiating tourmaline crystals, how big is that (how many inches across)? That is a really cool sample.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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These little gems are found among the Burmese Gem gravels
slightly rounded from 100s of millions of years that it took for some one to sift it out of the stream bed, after the mountains that it formed in dissolved into dust
Pourdiettite
KNa2B3Si12O30
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Painite, also from Mogok, Burma
Was considered to be the rarest Gem Mineral on earth for some time
It's a metamorphosed ruby with extra elements combining to form painite
http://minerals.gps.caltech.edu/files/Visible/painite/Index.html
Painite was once considered one of the rarest minerals on earth. The first painite to be recognized as new mineral (painite #1) was a sample discovered in Burma in the early 1950's. For many years only two crystals of this hexagonal mineral were known to exist. Its chemical formula is ideally: CaZrBAl9O18. However, it also contains minor amounts of chromium and vanadium that contribute to the orange-red to brownish-red color of the mineral plus traces of iron. In addition to zirconium, minor amounts of titanium and hafnium also are part of its composition. While it often appeared in lists of gemstones, only two faceted gemstones had been reported prior to mid-2005. The discovery of a new locality in northern Myanmar in 2002, and the discovery of major new localities in the Mogok area led to the recovery of several thousand crystals and fragments. Nearly complete crystals remain few in number and high quality facet material remains rare, although several hundred crystals and pieces have been faceted to date.
many pieces have ruby inclusions that fluoresce red under UV
still rare, but available to collectors
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Now thems some septa, gnome! Clearly Permian or beyond!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2018 - 07:07pm PT
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ydpl8s! Re your comment: Fritz, that specimen with the radiating tourmaline crystals, how big is that (how many inches across)? That is a really cool sample.
Thank you! The photo shows an area about 1” x 2”. It’s the only specimen I found like that.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Thanks Craig. I was pretty sure that was it, but there's always the liiiitle hope Gnome was right.
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kpinwalla2
Social climber
WA
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So I opened up a closet door in my office and came across this random assortment of minerals and thought of this thread. Here's a list:
Lazurite
Cinnabar
Arsenopyrite
Pyrite
Schorl tourmaline
watermelon tourmaline
kyanite
star sapphire
spodumene kunzite
specular hematite
smoky quartz
amethyst
wavellite
mimetite
prehnite
beryl
smithsonite
chrysotile
muscovite
aurichalcite
pink topaz
fire opal
rutilated quartz
mesolite
green fluorite
purple fluorite
galena
almandine garnet
a trilobite
crocoite
celestite
azurite
rhodocrosite
grossular garnet
calcite
morganite
vanadinite
selenite gypsum
orpiment/realgar
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Oh yeah Uncle Ray I remember you coming through Pipestone repping PuR in a complete no-nonsense/no BS kinda way. You were one of the more respected reps to come though our door; Bill Belcourt is another with rep qualities like you. Appreciated.
Keep posting up the ID mining goodness, por favor!! I am doing an x-bike tour in The Frank outa Challis later this year to go looking for ghosty-zones of past mining times, recommendations are always appreciated ;^)
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 7, 2018 - 05:28pm PT
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Cragar: Thank you for your kind remarks. Pur was great to work for & they later got bought by Swiss water-filter giant Katadyn, which was also a kindly employer. Between earnings from them & the other small outdoor clothing & gear companies I worked for on commission, I was able to retire in 2015, with decent savings.
With your Idaho knowledge, I suspect you already know about the somewhat-preserved ghost towns of Bayhorse, Bonanza, & Custer near Challis. By all means continue up-canyon past Bayhorse & bike or hike to some of the old mines near the top of Estes Mountain.
A little more off the beaten path is the Livingston Mill & Mine up the East Fork Salmon. The lower mine is "off-limits", but the decent road up to 10,000' Railroad Ridge leads to more mines & some great scenery.
South, down Hwy 93, is Mackay with it's plethora of old mines & structures on "Mine Hill." They do get a lot of tourist traffic & I like some of the less-visited spots nearby, including Upper Mammoth Canyon & mine-covered White Knob Peak.
A little more off the beaten track are the many mines near the still-occupied mining town of Gilmore. I'm fond of the high mountain scenery & numerous mines just south of Gilmore, up Spring Mountain Canyon.
Miner's cabin at 10,000'
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WBraun
climber
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"..... the somewhat-preserved ghost towns of Bayhorse, Bonanza, & Custer near Challis."
NO photos of ghosts ...... thus "Fake News" ......
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 7, 2018 - 07:24pm PT
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W Braun! I'm honored to have you contributing to this thread!
Do you have any "gud" rocks you might want to share?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 12, 2018 - 06:23pm PT
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Heidi & I took a spur of the moment trip to Ketchum/Sun Valley & hiked a couple of well-manicured trail miles up Greenhorn Gulch with my high-school "old" friend Stein on Tuesday afternoon. Then we enjoyed the good-life in Ketchum with a room at the Limelight Hotel & dinner at the Pioneer.
On Weds. Morning, Heidi & I drove up Warm Springs Cr. to the mouth of Thompson Creek. I hadn't been up Thompson Creek since about 1967, but my parents & I had camped there & hiked & fished the somewhat challenging canyon up Thompson Creek. We had also hiked up to old mines, far above the creek, to look for bottles & other artifacts in the early 1960's. My older brother had discovered the mines while hunting & had carried off a pair of early 1900’s hand-made 8’ long wooden skis, with bindings, made from a piece of tire.
I’m working on an article about those mines & others nearby, but I needed some good photos, & Heidi was willing to hike to them with me. About 200 yards up the Thompson Creek trail, which was never a manicured trail, it abruptly ended. Heidi & I went to plan B, which was to climb steep slopes to a user-friendly ridgeline, that would take us close to the mines.
The 2007 Castle Rock Fire, which ended-up burning to the edge of Ketchum, burned hot on Thompson Creek, but most of the ridge we climbed had only occasional burnt trees. Heidi climbed like a Gazelle & we knocked off the 1,000 or so vertical feet to the same elevation as the mines, in a surprising short time. Then we just had to traverse steep & burnt forest about ½ mile to the main collection of mines.
Unfortunately, in the challenging terrain, Heidi “tweaked” her already sprained ankle & she called a halt, but kindly let me proceed to the closest mines for photos. We beat the incoming thunderstorm back down to our vehicle & made it to Ketchum for a 1:30 lunch at Desperados.
Burnt forest from 2007 fire, north of our friendly ridge.
Fritz, with the largest mines in the background.
The remains of a 1800's miners cabin, with just the tumbled fireplace rocks left.
This dish likely survived until the 2007 fire broke it.
I confess, I did not find a rock worth carrying home, but I still have some specimens from the 1960's.
Pyrite & quartz.
1/2" Pyrite crystals in matrix.
Galena, likely with some silver content.
A 13 year old Fritz, at another miner's cabin, at the Thompson Creek mines, back about 1963.
Heidi, limping her way back down to the road.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2018 - 04:59pm PT
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Last week, during our City of Rocks climber's gathering, four of took the hottest day off and drove to the top of nearby Mt. Harrison. The temps were in the 60's & the views were glorious, although somewhat hazy.
Here's Stein enjoying the view north, back towards "The City."
We did an easy hike along a 9,000’ ridgeline east of Mt. Harrison & enjoyed the views.
The wild flowers were at their peak bloom.
Here's a Bitteroot.
However, we also enjoyed the views of the rocks on the ridge, since they were mostly a micaceous quartzite, known as Oakley Stone.
A weather-worn Oakley stone.
Heidi & Stein, lunching with the Oakley stone.
Nice stone!
From Wikipedia: Oakley stone is the trade name of a building stone The stone is quarried south of the city of Oakley in Cassia County, northeast of the three-state border with Nevada & Utah. The quarries are located on the west slope of Middle Mountain in the Albion Mountains, northwest of the City of Rocks National Reserve.
Oakley stone is micaceous, meaning it is a mica-bearing stone. This mineral gives the product a fish-scale-like sheen. The stone is noted for its great variety of colors, ranging from white and silver to browns, yellows, and golds. The original sedimentary rock from which the quartzite formed was a quartz-rich sandstone. During the metamorphic process, the pressure caused the layers of clay within the sandstone to thin and flatten into the mica-rich layers.
The outcroppings of the stone usually lie parallel to the ground and occur in large plates that can be easily split into thin veneers. Beginning in 1948, the stone was mined and sold in large quantities throughout the United States. It used for interior decoration, fireplace mantels, decks and patios, or facing buildings. There are about a dozen companies in the Oakley area quarrying the stone.
Archie Boyd Teater's Studio, near Choss Creek Idaho, designed by Frank Lloyd Wright used the stone in both the exterior and interior of the building.
Happily, a good friend owns the above historic structure & I just happen to have some photos of its Oakley Stone construction.
Oakley stone detail.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2018 - 04:48pm PT
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I'm not going to be connected on Tuesday, so I'll post on Sunday.
The U.S. Weather Service forecast said zero chance of rain in the mountains above the Birch Creek Valley for Tuesday – Thursday last week, but their report was wrong, as I found out after driving 170 miles. Big thunderstorms were savaging the high mountain mines I wanted to visit & as an old lightning-phobe, I had no desire to risk it. I visited a low mine, but found nothing of interest & drove to another drainage where I could go fishing & hope the skies cleared for the next day.
I found a nice streamside camp-spot, but between 20 mph plus winds & high off-color water from several days of thunderstorms, fishing sucked. The clouds went away in the evening & the wind stopped, & over wine I plotted continuing on to the next mine I wanted to visit.
Ah wilderness!
The next morning I drove deeper into Idaho, to the Ima mine, which had first been mined for silver, lead, & copper in the late 1800’s, then for tungsten, up until 1957. It had been a big producer & likely deserves a super-fund clean-up, but hasn’t had one due to its remote location.
The mine doesn’t have anyone in residence, or any No Trespassing signs, so I freely wandered around steep mountainside ore dumps. I had made a brief visit to it in 2013, but now I knew a little more about what I could find there.
Since plenty of mineral collectors visit the Ima Mine, I figured my chances of finding good specimens increased with the steepness & danger of my looking. Since steep terrain is the norm, I had plenty of opportunity.
First, I worked my way up this mine dump.
That got me pretty high.
Conservative cabin on the mine dump (right-leaning).
The line of railroad ties once had railroad tracks & ore cars were winched up & down, from the mine portal at the top of them. Hiking up to that mine, to the left of the old railroad, was somewhat interesting. Hiking back down, was even more interesting.
The chief mineral mined is Huebnerite, a Manganese-Tungsten oxide. The redish-brown mineral in the photo is a 1" Huebnerite crystal in quartz, above some pyrite. Ain't it pretty!
There was a fair amount of shiny massive Molybdenite around, but it wasn't a mineral of interest to the miners.
There was a little Azurite.
After some research on copper minerals, I have a, new to me, copper sulphide, Brochantite. I seriously pushed the limits on my little Canon's Macro setting taking this photo of 0.5 mm tall Brochantite micro-crystals.
There was lots of pyrite, both massive & in cubes up to 1" in size, but they were not that wonderful. I did like the massive pyrite with Molybdenite in quartz.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Aug 28, 2018 - 09:00pm PT
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Tuesday bump. Good stuff, Fritz.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Aug 28, 2018 - 09:12pm PT
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Hey Fritz what is it with the wine + gun all the time?
You ferd them idahoians think maybe drinking wines fer sissies...?
:)
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
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Minerals! Thanks for the bump. It was starting to feel lonely on this thread.
In my last post, I mentioned that the specimen I found of the copper sulphide Bronchantite, was a new mineral to me. I meant I had never found any of it before. A few years back I bought this nice specimen of Bronchantite from the Milpillis Mine in Sonora, Mexico. Of course, I cherish the micro-crystals of Bronchantite I found, more than this classic 12 x 10 Cm specimen.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Aug 28, 2018 - 09:26pm PT
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Good stuff! Regarding the gun and wine: Western hospitality? Something to shoot at, after you drink the wine?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2018 - 09:34pm PT
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Dehli dog! Per your question:
Hey Fritz what is it with the wine + gun all the time?
You ferd them idahoians think maybe drinking wines fer sissies...?
I like red wine after a day in the outdoors & the gun is some cultural baggage I carry from growing up in "deepest Idaho."
My Idaho friends & I feel better about having a pistol or two close, since you never know what might threaten you in "deepest Idaho."
Sheridan Anderson, more or less, agreed.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2018 - 09:47pm PT
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Jim Clipper! Per your question:
Good stuff! Regarding the gun and wine: Western hospitality? Something to shoot at, after you drink the wine?
Our first rule is: no shooting when drinking & the second is no shooting in camp. The last time I fired one of my pistols, was before our 2012 Middle Fork Salmon 7 day whitewater raft trip, into deepest Idaho & bear country.
I realized that although I had shot both my 22 & 357 magnum pistols enough to get very accurate & somewhat deaf, back in my teens & 20's, I had not shot the 357 Magnum for over 20 years.
I found a remote spot during a mineral-collecting trip, put in earplugs, & rapidly fired 6 shots at a 12" paper plate about 50' away. All 6 bullets hit the plate & 4 were within 6" of its center. I didn't practice more.
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clode
Trad climber
portland, or
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Aug 29, 2018 - 08:54am PT
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(Quiet, sshhh, don't tell anyone it's Wednesday!).
This one is Wallowa Batholith granodiorite, with secondary quartzofeldspathic veins.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 21, 2018 - 07:09am PT
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It's Tuesday somewhere.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2018 - 11:56am PT
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Thanks for posting folks.
Mouse, those gypsum crystal concentrates are called "desert roses" by the public.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2018 - 12:03pm PT
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I took off Weds. morning & drove to Birch Creek, then up a steep & somewhat challenging road to a long abandoned copper mine I had been wanting to visit all summer. The mine sets at about 8,000' in an area with nearby summits above 10,000'.
My first view of mine dumps through the trees.
Cabins dating to about 1900 below the mine, with an ore chute in the background.
The afternoon of mineral hunting was pleasant, after hiking a mile from the end of the road, I was willing to drive, to an adjacent mine. My mine campsite had late sun & I was very happy.
Campsite sunset looking out at Idaho's 4th highest peak.
It did not freeze that night, but it made it into the mid-30's by dawn. The next morning, the sun never came up. I finally got up at 8:30 & the sun was still not up in camp, when I hiked back down to the adjacent mine for round 2 at 9:30.
A large chunk of rock stained with Chrysocolla.
I would have identified the white crystalline balls as Smithsonite, except Smithsonite is not listed as occuring at the mine. A simple test with 10% HCL confirmed they are botryoidal calcite.
Decent Malachite crystals are somewhat rare in Idaho, so I was pleased to find some nice Malachite micro-crystals. This 5" x 6" specimen has numerous pockets with crystals.
Here's a closeup of a 1 cm. area of crystals.
Azurite microcrystals on quartz. 1 cm. area.
I thought these crystals might be an exotic copper mineral, but since they fizz when I put 10% HCL on them, they are likely copper stained calcite.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2018 - 08:38am PT
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During October I kep busy on our ranchette performing "honey-dos," but I broke out last Tuesday & drove to Northern Nevada for one last collecting foray before winter. I first visited the scenic valley east of the Ruby Range, but was deterred by the many NO TRESPASSING signs.
The next morning I drove to un-scenic Battle Mountain & looked south of there. Galena slumbers up a steep side-canyon about 12 miles south of Battle Mountain. The ghostly remnants date from the mid-1860's to the mid 20th century. There were a number of 20th century cabins & ruins, but I was only able to find one stone cabin that likely dated to the 1860's. The clouds & fall colors were very good for me, but the local mine dumps did not reveal any minerals of interest.
Old stone cabin at lower right.
Mid-20th century buildings at a mine.
Later that day, I found some colorful copper minerals after a good hike up a rough road to a high mine.
Since it was hunting season, I dress bright to not look like game.
A large piece of copper ore showing Azurite (blue) & Chrysocolla (aqua). I left it for eco-tourists to marvel at.
Malachite left & Azurite right.
Mostly Chrysocolla with a spot of green Malachite & small sparkly pyrite crystals.
Microcrystals of Azurite.
The next day I drove home, through the left-over huge fire that burned much of the area around Mountain City Nevada. I did a brief stop-over at the big-mine in the area, the Rio Tinto. It had been "reclaimed" but there were trailers & vehicles parked at it & I decided not to bother the locals or hunters camped there. I did find an interesting, somewhat charred, old truck nearby.
The next mine I went to was festooned with No Trespassing signs & it seemed a good time to start the scenic drive home.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 30, 2018 - 03:52pm PT
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542? twice? yup.
I just want to say I'd hoped to be active regularly posting to this thread. Yet hope to too,
but,
focused, dedicated, finding a drive to dedicate,
Find space, the place in one of the silly drives
already full up with BS?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 30, 2018 - 04:14pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 30, 2018 - 05:22pm PT
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put a protractor on me, i'm hexed
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Oct 30, 2018 - 07:34pm PT
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Fritz, the photo above your “Halloween costume” photo from today’s post on the previous page looks like a spot where I could roam around for hours and hours. Very cool.
Last month... I should stick some fridge magnets on this thing next time I am out there : )
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L
climber
Just livin' the dream
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Oct 30, 2018 - 08:58pm PT
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Because you said you were lonely on this thread, Fritz:
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2018 - 09:17pm PT
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Thank you all for posting up & a special thanks to L for that lovely piece of quartz.
One last rock tonight.
A high-school friend & I both used to have dreams that this pinnacle was an immense quartz crystal. I only climbed the Sawtooth Range granite spire twice, but he did yearly laps on a now 5.8+ route on it, that in the early 1970’s we knew was only 5.6.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2018 - 03:37pm PT
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Most of us know that sunlight & exposure to UV light can fade things.
I was aware of its ability to fade Topaz & Smoky Quartz, since I had witnessed what had to be sun fade while collecting. Somehow, I didn't worry about sunlight, or even household lighting, fading more exotic mineral specimens.
I found out the hard way. Here's some photos for proof.
Smoky Quartz is pretty light stable in most cases & Idaho's Sawtooth Mountain specimens take a long while to fade, likely many years in direct sunlight at high altitude, but the proof is there.
In the late 1980's I ventured to Topaz Mountain in Utah, where small clear Topaz crystals are not difficult to find laying in the dirt. They show up great in sunlight, since from certain angles, you can see one sparkling 30' away from refracted light. However to find the desirable Sherry brown crystals you have to break rock to find small cavities. It has been stated that just a few days in direct sunlight can fade these topaz crystals clear.
Strangely, one of my prized Idaho finds is a nicely colored Topaz crystal enclosed in a faded Quartz crystal. Not all Topaz fades in sunlight.
My most distressing fade is this speciman with large Kunzite (Spodumene) crystals, from Afghanistan. The Kunzite started out a beautiful green & within less than a year of household light, had faded to clear. After a couple years in a drawer some purple is now showing up in the once green crystals.
Before
& now
The Arsenic Sulphides Realgar & Orpiment are very susceptible to light.
This once shiny red Realgar with pryrite on quartz from Peru, faded horribly within a year in household light.
This large specimen from Nevada, once had much brighter Orpiment & some red Realgar & the Realgar faded badly after about two years in household light, with occasional sunlight.
Here’s a long list of susceptible to fading minerals, from Minedat.com.
https://www.mindat.org/mesg-5-115692.html
Anglesite (brown to colorless)
Anhydrite (blue to colorless)
Apatite (mauve or pink to colorless)
Pakistan, Afghanistan* pink fades
La Marina, Mine, Pauna, Boyacá Colombia* pink fades
Moro Vehlo Mine, Nova Lima, Minas Gerais pink fades
Himalaya Mine, CA
Aragonite (w/ color)
Argentite
Aurivilliusite
Barite (colorless or blue to darker; blue to colorless; yellow/brown to green or blue)
“Hartsel” Barite can turn from white to blue in sunlight.
Moscona Mine barite goes from white to blue in sunlight but reversible.
Beryl v Aquamarine*
Blue beryl can be made irradiating certain pale natural beryls but like maxime, the electron trap is shallow and so unstable. Fe-colored aquamarines are perfectly stable.
Beryl v Emerald
Beryl v Maxixe* (Blue to colorless or pink)
Beryl v Morganite (apricot or purplish to pink; pink to paler pink)
One Afghanistan find, pink beryl turned deep yellow with a few hours of sunlight.
S. CA pegmatites, morganites would be left in the sun to "bring the pink up"
Brazilianite (green to colorless)
Bromargyrite (darkens, Ag liberated)
Calcite (colors fade)
Elmwood, TN*
Santa Eulalia (yellow ones from Santa Eulalia temporarily turn pinkish on 15-20 min exposure to sunlight, turn white permanently with 30-60 min exposure to sunlight.
Celestine (blue to colorless)
Chlorargyrite* (gray to violet-brown, Ag liberated)
Cinnabar (red to black metacinnabar)
Corderoite
McDermitt (Cordero) Mine, NV, Pink Corderoite turns a mouse gray color
Corundum (yellow to colorless)
Crocoite
Creedite (purple creedites are VERY light sensitive)
Cuprite* (darkens, Cu liberated)
Diamond (yellow to green; red to pink)
Djurelite
Mount Gabriel, County Cork, Ireland
Fayalite (green to blue)
Feldspar v Amazonite*
Fluorapatite (pink fades)
Fluorite (pink to colorless; green to purple; blue or purple to colorless or pink)
Bingham, NM, blue will fade with exposure to sunlight.
El Hamman, Morocco, Ink blue pales with 30 min direct sun exposure *
Elmwood fluorite is reported to be stable.
Haute-Loire, France, sky blue turns colorless with 30 min direct sunlight.
Hilton yellow fluorite is reported to be stable.
Navidad Mine, deep grape purple when mined, but miners put in sun for 6-9 weks to turn them pink.
Sant Marçal, Montseny, Spain, deep blue turns dirty green with 1 hr direct sunlight exposure. *
Weardale (Cowshill area), Pale green changed to purple almost immediately on exposure to daylight (not even direct sunlight!).
Weardale (Rogerly, Heights, Cement Quarry, and the old White's Level), green are all potentially unstable, though to varying degrees. Purple color appears more stable. Deep green fluorite from the Rogerly (Solstice Pocket) permanently changed almost instantly to a muddy gray-green if exposed to a LWUV lamp; this process took longer in sunlight.
Halite (blue or yellow may change)
Huantajayite (argentian halite, contains silver halides)
Searles lake, pink color from halophylic bacteria and algae fade with exposure to sun.
Haüyne (blue pales)
Hisingerite (red to brown)
Ianthinite (purple to greenish yellow)
Inesite
Kleinite (yellow to orange)
Lepidolite (purple to gray)
Marcasite (w/ high humidity - can speed up oxidation)
Metatyuyamunite (yellow to green)
Mercury Halides like Aurivilliusite
Miargyrite
Miersite (darkens, Ag liberated)
Mosesite (yellow to green)
Nepheline (pink to colorless)
Orpiment
Pabstite (pink to colorless)
Pararealgar*
Phenakite (red to pink)
Lemon yellow phenakite from Mt Antero turned colorless after one day in sunshine.
Orange/brown phenakite from the emerald/alexandrite deposits in the Urals turn colorless or white depending on inclusion content within hours or days if exposed to UV light.
Proustite*
Pyrargyrite
Pyrite (w/ high humidity, light can speed up oxidation)
Pyrostilpnite
Quartz (most colored quartz is light sensitive)
Quartz v Amethyst (fades)
Brazilian amethyst
Nebraska amethyst will bleach after a couple of days in the sun.
Quartz v Citrine
Quartz v Morion
Quartz v Rose* (fades)
Quartz v Smoky (smoky to greenish yellow to colorless)
Quartz v Agate
Quartz v Opal
Realgar* (red to yellow pararealgar)
Realgar is only sensitive to green light
Rutile (pale to darker)
Scapolite (violet to colorless)
Selenite (pink fades)
Silver, native – can tarnish when exposed to light and moisture
Silver Halides (these generally darken and Ag is liberated)
Silver Sulfides/Sulfosalts like Miargyrite
Sodalite (blue)*
Sodalite v Hackmanite* (red to green, blue, or colorless)
Spinel (red)
Spodumene v Hiddenite
Spodumene v Kunzite (pink to colorless)
Stephanite
Tetrahedrite
Topaz* (brown to colorless or blue; blue to paler or colorless)
Most Thomas Range, UT sherry topaz xtals turn colorless with exposure to sunlight.
Some topaz xtals from east side of the Thomas Range, UT start out as sherry but turn pink after one to three weeks in the sun. This is due to an unusually high content of pseudobrokite inclusions. The pink is stable, at least after one year of leaving these in the sun.
Some topaz from the Little Three Mine were collected as colorless but turned blue upon exposure to the sun. Blue crystals that came out of the 1976 and 1991 pockets became much more blue with exposure. This blue color appears stable.
Sherry colored topaz from Villa Garcia, Zacatecas, Mexico is reported to have stable color.
The sherry colored portions of topaz xtals from Mokrusha Mine, Urals fade and seem to turn light blue with exposure to sunlight.
Volodarsk/Volhynsk, Ukraine topazes usually start our dark orange but fade quickly with exposure to sunlight. Bicolored samples found in some pockets (light pinkish champagne and blue) seem to be more stable (at least for 15 years).
Tourmaline (some pink, red)
Tuperssuatsiaite
Tuperssuatsiaite specimens from Aris started out mauve but turned green.
Vanadinite (red or yellow to darker)
Vivianite (green, blue)*
Wulfenite
Red Cloud wulfenites will fade over time
Xanthoconite
Zircon (brown)*
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 13, 2018 - 02:30pm PT
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Realgar! That's the thing my geologist friend in Seattle conned me into
helping him look for! He had previously found one of the largest specimens
that the Smithsonian had bought from him. Of course the day we went we
only found minnows.
Yeah, he kept his specimens in his basement in a box and would only display
them under black light.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2018 - 03:33pm PT
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hooblie? Is that a rockfall rock? Did it hit you?
Reilley: It's also very important to not lick your fingers or the specimens, to brighten them up, after collecting Realgar & Orpiment.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2018 - 12:11pm PT
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Here's an “ooid” post for the Holidays.
Our "ranchette" has a lot of gravel deposits that came down the Snake River from as far away as the Teton Range & northern Utah. Much of that gravel is from the basalt flows along the Snake, but a certain percent are more exotic specimens.
I found this nicely polished 4" x 3" rock about a month back here & I vaguely knew what it was, but a little research was called for. It is a slightly unusual, shall we say "odd", silica oolite.
Oolite is a sedimentary rock made up of ooids (ooliths) that are cemented together. Most oolites are limestones — ooids are made of calcium carbonate (minerals aragonite or calcite). Ooids are spheroidal grains with a nucleus and mineral cortex accreted around it which increases in sphericity with distance from the nucleus. Nucleus is usually either mineral grain or biogenic fragment. The term “ooid” is applied to grains less than 2 mm in diameter. Larger grains with similar genesis are pisoids (pisoliths). Rocks made up of pisoids is pisolite.
The terms “oolite” and “ooid” are derived from the Greek word for fish roe (oon) which ooids resemble.
Ooids usually possess a clearly developed growth banding. Ooids may be spherical but some are elongated, depending on the shape of nucleus. Most ooids are marine, forming in shallow (less than 10 m, preferably even less than 2 meters), warm, and wave-agitated water such as the Persian Gulf and the Bahama Platform. Ooids in these places form a distinct type of sand — ooid sand. Ooids are kept moving by waves which enables accretion to occur on all sides. This is also the reason why ooids are so well-polished. Warm water is needed to lower the carbon dioxide content in water (higher temperature reduces the ability of water to keep gases dissolved) and thereby enhance the precipitation of calcium carbonate. It is believed that ooid formation is generally abiogenic process. However, the exact formation mechanisms are still unresolved.
Most modern ooids are composed of mineral aragonite. Some ooids form in non-marine environments, the Great Salt Lake is probably the best known example of ooid formation in saline lake. Some ooids form in fresh-water lakes, caves, caliche soils, hot springs, and rivers. Even ooids made of evaporite minerals gypsum and halite have been reported1.
Some ooids are made of silica (chert), dolomite or fine-grained phosphatic material (collophane). Such ooids are formed by replacement of original calcium carbonate, but they may be also primary. Especially phosphatic and iron-bearing ooids, composed of hematite and goethite seem to have been formed as such.
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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Jan 24, 2019 - 08:25pm PT
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Nice, Minerals - a geologist being psyched on your pic is one hell of a nice nod.
The approach has completely changed since we were there 3 years ago.
High waters at Crowley have eroded the sandstone? It's hardly stone, but has left delicate steam veins? cris-crossing through the matrix as you walk by.
It seemed like there was at least 20 feet of erosion into the hillside at the shallower entry point.
Let us know if you are coming down! Be great to go again - it's been a while!
wolfebox at gmail
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2019 - 08:55pm PT
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Aeriq! I am happy to see that time & a new persona have helped to mellow you about posting rocks on Tuesday. Welcome.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 28, 2019 - 07:08pm PT
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It’s a cool photo. I didn’t have a sense of scale, and how tall the columns are until I saw a photo with a two-legged creature standing next to the columns. No idea when I might make it to Crowley, but it would be fun to toast the columns with a beer or two. Check out the articles – some pretty interesting stuff.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2019 - 04:09pm PT
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I've been talking about making a collecting & ghost-towning trip to the Tonopah area with Minerals since last fall, but the weather has not been condusive so far this spring. It's winter down there again this week.
The wind has been gusting into the low 40 mph range here for two days, with one more day of "breezy" conditions forecast.
It makes me want to talk about Wulfenite Pb(MoO4).
Per Minedata, It was renamed in 1845 to honor Franz von Wulfen, who authored a monograph on the lead ores of Bleiberg, Austria. This mineral was originally named "plumbum spatosum flavo-rubrum, ex Annaberg, Austria" in 1772 by Ignaz von Born.
It is a secondary mineral of lead, typically found as thin tabular crystals with a bright orange-red, yellow-orange, yellow or yellowish grey colour in the oxidised zones of hydrothermal lead deposits.
Wulfanite is in the Tetragonal crystal system, but it takes a lot of forms: commonly thin tabular, square, with flat or rounded vicinal faces, may be elongated, or pyramidal, with the pyramid truncating or replacing; more rarely pseudo-octahedral; and very rarely either cubic or short prismatic pyramidal. Commonly exhibits additional forms, some exhibiting pyramidal hemihedrism.
Although there are occcurances of Wulfenite in Idaho, it is more common in arid climates. I confess to having bought my only specimens. A nicely-colored, translucent, crystaline, lead ore, is always of interest to me.
This nice piece was a Valentine Day gift to Heidi last year. It's great not to have to buy her stuff in a jewelery store. Rowley Mine, Painted Rock Dist, Maricopa Co. AZ. 7 x 5 cm. I freely confess that she had been looking for an affordable specimen of that quality for a year & closed the deal on this specimen.
This specimen features Bi-pyramidal crystals of orange Wulfenite on quartz 7.5 x 4 cm. M'fouati Mine, M'Fouati, M'fouati Dist, Bouenza Dept, Republic of the Congo.
This one features Wulfenite on small Quartz crystals. From the classic AZ location, the Red Cloud Mine, Silver Dist., La Paz Co. AZ 8 x 4 Cm.
I bought this specimen in a rock shop in Ouray about 1981, but if I ever knew the location it came from, I've long forgotten it.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 10, 2019 - 05:54pm PT
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The secondary zeolite mineral, analcime, filling and lining cavities in basalt...
Serpentinite breccia...
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Apr 10, 2019 - 06:45pm PT
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Wow Fritz- I had absolutely no clue that minerals/crystals could fade. the oolite/ooid article was fascinating as well Interesting stuff. Yay- I have a a new scrabble word for those pesky spare vowels;)
Crowley Columns unfortunately have been almost completely submerged for the last couple years with the record snowfall filling the reservoir. Geology side note: The same steam-phenomenon that created the columns... created the dozens of perfect-sized and perfectly-spaced hills (sticking out of the otherwise flat land) visible on the east side of 395 as you drive north out of Bishop.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2019 - 11:23am PT
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My recently retired friend Jerry & I went to the Gold Hill Utah area for a two-day mineral collecting & small peak bagging visit. The scenic values of the area, with the stark white Bonneville Salt Flats far below & the 12,000 + foot Ibapah Range immediately to the southwest, make for some photos I like.
I also found some Wufenite, which I had never collected before & some nice Large green Actinolite crystals, which was a new mineral to me, along with some other showy specimens.
I am now hosting a Facebook group for my stories. Any Faceboook member should be able to view the group: RAY BROOKS IDAHO STORIES & MISADVENTURES.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/425056734950713/?multi_permalinks=425063958283324¬if_id=1557242515163059¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic
There's lots of photos, both of the scenery & minerals we found.
Best wishes, Ray Brooks aka Fritz.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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May 28, 2019 - 10:15pm PT
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Last Tuesday of The Topo, so here’s a rock, and then some...
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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May 29, 2019 - 11:41am PT
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2019 - 12:53pm PT
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I never dreamed this thread would make it to 400+ posts.
It now looks like it will have a rocky ending. Many thanks to all who posted here.
I am now hosting a Facebook group for my stories. Any Faceboook member should be able to view the group: RAY BROOKS IDAHO STORIES & MISADVENTURES.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/425056734950713/?multi_permalinks=425063958283324¬if_id=1557242515163059¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic
I'll keep posting mineral hunting & mine exploring stories & photos there.
Best wishes, Ray Brooks aka Fritz.
My new mineral find of the spring. A nice 8" chunk of intergrown Actinolite crystals.
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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May 29, 2019 - 08:53pm PT
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thank Fritz. I loved this thread.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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May 29, 2019 - 09:34pm PT
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Actinolite crystals
Nice Fritz. What are the other minerals? Is that from a skarn?
Block of actinolite, from the Franciscan Complex, Marin County, CA.
I dug this out of the dirt in the backyard where I grew up – probably weighs 20 or 25 pounds. It’s tough not to become interested in geology when you’ve got this kind of metamorphic petrology in your blood.
The small, light-green specs are either phengite (a variety of muscovite), or clinochlore (a variety of chlorite) – I’m not exactly sure.
The small, white patches in the lower right of the second and third photo are, I believe, composed of fibrous tremolite.
Glaucophane quartz schist, from the Franciscan Complex, Marin County, CA.
Andalusite schist, from Northern Nevada. This variety of andalusite is called chiastolite.
Andalusite is one of the three Al2SiO5 polymorphs, along with kyanite and sillimanite.
Yosemite hippie-climbers refer to chiastolite crystals as “cross rocks” and were known to make necklaces with a series of the crystals.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 31, 2019 - 04:13pm PT
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Minerals! Nice photos & story!
Re your questions on my Actinolite. The other minerals are unidentified by me. Definately a skarn area. My buddy found a large chunk of actinolite with little spots of native copper & some chalcopyrite too.
Here's a 4" actinolite crystal I found. It is quite fiberous in surface texture & is dark green.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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May 31, 2019 - 05:20pm PT
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hey there, say, fritz... wow, as to this quote:
Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2019 - 12:53pm PT
I never dreamed this thread would make it to 400+ posts.
wow!
say, thanks for the 'heads up' for the facebook stuff...
:)
this was really neat!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 31, 2019 - 05:51pm PT
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