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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 30, 2009 - 11:00pm PT
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After thread drift
This time much quieter than the first protest. Very few of the right wing nuts I talked to the cameramen and there was disappointment, They wanted some action. There were at least six news vans there. It is a very important issue. The separation of church and state. If you live in the central valley it was the lead story on many stations. A buddy of mine was on station 10, my daughter and I were interviewed or photographed by The Record, the Lodi News Sentinel , The LA Times, The Sacramento Bee, a local JC paper and the New York Times. (very cute reporter)Had to miss the meeting to get the kid home to dinner. More tomorrow.
Give the kid a break he made the sign that spelled separate wrong- They both go to Spanish Immersion school they both speak fluent Spanish. Its the thought that counts.
MY daughter and best friend
Kids and the news vans
DMT I figured that you had a "kid" in Lodi after one of her posts.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:07pm PT
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I'm a bit troubled at the politicization of you kids, dude.
Lodi is not a Christian community? Says who? You?
Have you declared it a non-religious zone?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:10pm PT
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Are they really preachers of hate?
What hateful things did the preachers preach?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
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Which part of "separation of church and State" confuses you Blue?
Seems the founding Fathers were clear and concise on this topic (and the 2nd amendment, etc... ). Where is the problem following the Constitution on THIS issue?
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2009 - 11:14pm PT
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"I'm a bit troubled at the politicization of you kids, dude.
Lodi is not a Christian state? "
your kids not you kids, Christian Community not Christian state, kid not kids- now that we got things straight. My 11 year made her own choice, one of her grandmothers and one of her grandfathers are Christians. We did not make her come. Her brother chose not to. She decided on her own. Forgive for giving her a choice. Put away the bottle before you comment.
Proud Father.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2009 - 11:21pm PT
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Glad to see you caught your mistake. Now it will look like I made one. The preacher of hate did not show up from Colorado Springs, and the hate group from LA did not either. Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt is one of the names, he was here last time. Goggle his name.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:24pm PT
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Good for them! Be PROUD!!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:28pm PT
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//Which part of "separation of church and State" confuses you Blue?
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Why don't we clarify how the separation was violated first...Somebody???
Post some details. All I see is children denouncing Christianity. What happend, Mrtropy?
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:30pm PT
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Hey at least they have thick skin.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:32pm PT
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Hey Davis, STFU!!!
I expect to see you at Jtree this year for T-day. No excuses!!!!
I will call God on ya if you bail!
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:33pm PT
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Okay, Blue, I'll bite.
WHICH church's prayers were they saying before the meeting?
Catholic, Protestant, Hebrew, Muslim, Shinto, etc....
Hmmm, maybe the FF's didn't want to enter the arena of deciding WHICH prayer to allow, so they "banned" (read, separated) them out. Although, as long as the word "GOD" is in there, it seemed to matter not.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2009 - 11:39pm PT
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Not "denouncing Christianity" just keeping it out of the City Council meetings. What about the 5,000 Muslims in my town, the 1,000 Buddhists, a couple of hundred Hindus, The 1,000 Sikhs and the 30 Jewish people. Not say any thing about people who have no religion. We just asked for a moment of silence rather rather than a prayer using the name Jesus Christ. Even our local main stream churches do not have a problem, it's just a few wackos talking in tongues. Maybe you want to cram your beliefs down your kids' or kid's throat(s) but I give mine a choice and we don't always agree.
Proud Dad
and she climbs
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:40pm PT
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Mojede, I'm asking what the uproar is about...I don't know! Can somebody tell me why this is a big deal? Did someone insist that everybody say a prayer or did someone just say one of their own fruition?
What are the f*#king facts of the matter??? That's what I'm asking?
If the city mandated a prayer, that's wrong, but if somebody chose to say one without others having to commit, is that wrong?
Much different than making secondary school children recite Koranic prayers, no?
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:41pm PT
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:D I work weekends dude, so I'm sure I'll see ya! Got a duffle filled wiht all the fun toys right now, can't wait!!
And hey, whether you agree with Mtropy's politics or not, at least his kids are getting involved. How many kids grow up to be just like their parents? They will be big boys and girls someday.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:42pm PT
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Sorry, sir Blue, sometimes I am an assuming A$$. Maybe mrtropy cleared it up in the above post.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 30, 2009 - 11:48pm PT
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I'd still like to see a link as to what happend. Was someone forced to invoke prayer? Was someone penalized for not praying to Jesus?
What happend exactly? Sounds like someone just prayed alound at a meeting, so what?
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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You can be proud of your kids Mrtropy. Let them do as they wish.
On a side note.. we should all lay off responding to the mindless comments that get sprayed from some on this forum...
It should be obvious that there is not always what might seem like a complete thought process from them certain few.
Thanks for the confidence builder.. now I know that at least a couple of the youth of America can stand up and speak out for causes they believe in and not slackin' in front of the TV all day.
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adam d
climber
closer to waves than rock
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Good for you Mrtropy, and your daughter. A girl that age that wants to think about big issues? And who sees through some of the BS? Priceless.
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Mrtrophy -- perhaps you can point me to the separation of church and state clause, or law, or amendment you're referring to?
Ed
(this should be good)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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It is NOT a christian community.
It is an AMERICAN community. Christ did not found the community. In AMERICA, we have respect for people of all faiths, including no faith.
Don't know what they do in your country.
Didn't the founding fathers have enough persecution of their religions, that they established "a more perfect Union", that would not?
God did not give you the right to bear arms, no matter if you think it is a "God-given right."
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