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apogee
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:05pm PT
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I don't hate religion or the concept of Christianity, it's the people who proliferate it, evangelize it, bastardize it, kill in the name of it, and otherwise ram it down the throats of everyone around them that irritates the sh*t outta me.
Aside from that, it's great!
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:11pm PT
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this thread will get more responses than the TR I just posted...
just saying
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PP
Trad climber
SF,CA
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:16pm PT
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Because we had to go to church when we were kids.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:21pm PT
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Are we supposed to love christians, but hate christianity? Or love christianity, but hate christians? Religion is so confusing.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:28pm PT
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"I don't hate religion or the concept of Christianity, it's the people who proliferate it, evangelize it, bastardize it, kill in the name of it, and otherwise ram it down the throats of everyone around them that irritates the sh*t outta me."
Apogee nails it. Add to that, that Christianity has slaughtered and enslaved more people in history than any other entity....
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:29pm PT
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Communisim has it beat by an order of magnitude or so.
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apogee
climber
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:31pm PT
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TGT, I doubt that very seriously, but it would be an interesting comparison.
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sportcamper
Trad climber
gunx
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:33pm PT
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Personally, I think it is that t.v. show about .. The Duggers?, 18 and counting... that is making me cringe...
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:40pm PT
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It's the organization that's the problem. I'm a Catholic by birth and now by choice, but I'm the first to admit that the church has had some really less than stellar moments.
Even if we presume that God is perfect, people are from it. As long as they're the ones running the church, whether it be large or small, it's only going to be as good as the person(s) running it. It's kind of like family. Some of them may be really f-ed up, but you love them anyways.
Few things in this world are perfect. Organized religion is a perfect example of that.
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bwancy1
Trad climber
Here
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:49pm PT
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Because of the christians.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:51pm PT
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Nefarious, Jesus who never started a church or a religion said, to love your enemies....bless them that curse you.
I ask over and over why and what is the point in grouping people under one umbrella we are all different. I try hard not to give people labels. If you do often you don't get to know the individual who may be a pretty terrific person and have some great gifts to offer.
The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition..... don't think that's what Jesus had in mind. :D Jess sayin', Lynnie
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72hw
Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
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Apr 13, 2009 - 07:56pm PT
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I love Christianity... they have wacky things like this:
Ritualized cannibalism - Communion (Drink my blood, eat my flesh)
and
Zombie Day - Easter (I mean come on, a dood rises from the grave?)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Apr 13, 2009 - 08:00pm PT
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Ya know, 72hw, most of Jesus' close friends were killed in pretty horrific ways. Don't know if I would undergo something like that to promote a myth. Jess thinkin' out loud here. Lynne
Actually we drink wine or grape juice at communion and Jesus said this is my body....not flesh. :D Peace
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apogee
climber
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Apr 13, 2009 - 08:02pm PT
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Jaybro, that is some funny shizzle.
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72hw
Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
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Apr 13, 2009 - 08:02pm PT
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Lynne - you are not making a very good case for me to become a friend of Jesus... jess sayin.
;-)
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 13, 2009 - 08:04pm PT
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The communist body count is around 149 million people.
http://www.digitalsurvivors.com/archives/communistbodycount.php
The only “Christian” conflict that makes the Wiki list is the 30 years war with a upper limit of about 11 ˝ million. (probably half that) And this was really a straight nation state political conflict over territory and resources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_toll
I’m not going to go thru the exercise of weeding out all the duplicates, eliminating the purely political slaughters and adding up the numbers, but I’d bet you can’t come up with a list that is remotely purely “Christian “ that exceeds 15 million from 800to 1700. Only the French religious wars and the Thirty Years war make the list of major conflicts and they only total 10 million between them. Stalin did better than twice that all by himself. The death toll from the Inquisition was 31,000 by some pretty good official record keeping. Most of the toll from the Crusades were Europeans killed by Arabs in Europe, that was around 2 million.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#30YrW
So, find another myth to flog.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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Apr 13, 2009 - 08:05pm PT
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"most of Jesus' close friends were killed in pretty horrific ways."
So were a lot of David Koresh's close friends... A cult is a cult. What's your point?
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Apr 13, 2009 - 08:06pm PT
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that is a pretty huge brush a lot of you have. you realize obama is a *gasp* christian? Where's the posse?
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 13, 2009 - 08:07pm PT
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christmas - winter solstice celebaration, can't stop it, take it over, pretend Jesus's birthday was on it, keep the tree and other pagan traditions, complain that it's being secularized.
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