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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 10, 2009 - 12:39pm PT
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I had to look at this for a minute... The rapper is wearing a SAR shirt so I presume this is rescue practice. But is this a valid technique? Seems like there must be plenty of unhealthy angle-pulling/side-loading of 'biners, harnesses, etc. Overall, looks less than comfy.
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couchmaster
climber
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Apr 10, 2009 - 12:43pm PT
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Hard to say whats happening there as the pic isn't that clear. If the dude underneath is the "victim", you'd think as a min they'd have a chest harness on. Certainly for getting an healthy able bodied person down a short distance this would do it fairly fast. Is there anything backing up that figure 8 device? Cause that could be real problematical.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 10, 2009 - 12:48pm PT
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The rescue guy looks pretty comfy, and the guy below less so, but thats life, he's being rescued.
All those etiers and stuff could be hung between the guys legs but not sure I would want some fear crazed guy hanging between my legs grabbing at stuff...I am sure Werner could tell some stories...
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2009 - 12:51pm PT
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Oh yea, 1980.
Just noticed the vic is hanging off a single non-locking 'biner. Guess that was the practice BITD! Well, okay and he is hanging off his arms.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Apr 10, 2009 - 01:36pm PT
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looks like something that could work in a pinch. Lock the biner and give the guy a chest harness so he doesn't have to hold himself up like that, why not?
I don't know what the etriers do there.
There is a piggy back type of raise and lower that I have seen. It works better then you would think.
If a guy is unhurt, I've taught people to rappel on the spot, it worked with Boy Scouts why not SAR victims stranded on a ledge?
You back them up with a firemans belay or a second rope and show them how. Better they work then you work.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 10, 2009 - 01:43pm PT
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To understand this properly, you just have to remember what MisterE said: "The bottom is the top."
Sorry. Just had to say that. I'll go to the car now.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 10, 2009 - 01:49pm PT
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It's a fast pick off?
If you're by yourself and need to grab a guy and only have to lower a short distance it's ok. But you better be able to add friction to the rappel device as you need.
Better would have the rescuer lowered from the top by personnel there with full independent control capabilities.
There's a lot more .... blah blah blah
That photo shows a real hokey setup that could cause trouble for one or both if this or that happened/went wrong.
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Werd
Trad climber
Bay area
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Apr 10, 2009 - 02:22pm PT
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If both you (rescuer) and patient are going to go down together, it's best to attach them above you your belay device, and rap below them on a munter with a sling attached to their harness (sling pulls them down with you--friction is shared between munter and patient's belay device). This way, you can control the rate of descent, keep the patient out of the way and maneuver the rope and patient around/through structure as you descend.
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J. Werlin
climber
Cedaredge
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Apr 10, 2009 - 02:44pm PT
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brake bar recommended.
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apogee
climber
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Apr 10, 2009 - 03:38pm PT
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That pic is so old, and techniques/equipment have changed so much since then, that analyzing the validity of the technique is pretty silly.
It is kind of fun to try and figure out WTF is going on there, though, and to consider how much things have changed since then.
I betcha Cosmic could so some really funny stuff with that pic...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Apr 10, 2009 - 03:54pm PT
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Isn't that William Shatner?
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Apr 10, 2009 - 04:43pm PT
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Rapped with a videographer hanging tethered beneath me in a raging waterfall for 280'. Wish he'd told me it was going to be a "wet" shot! Not a problem with good rigging and the right rap device.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 10, 2009 - 05:11pm PT
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An old photo but absolutely absurd that today most climbers haven't a clue how to do a counter balance rappel to evacuate a injured victim that can't be simply lowered.
(Should be a mandated skill before a person can legally belay!)
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