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Ihateplastic

Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 5, 2008 - 02:12pm PT
Okay, now I'm stumped. I found this old pic of Cerro Torre taken by the Brit Ian Wade in the early 1970's but what is the wall/peak in the foreground? Is it Cerro Standhardt? I just can't figure out the angle with the apparently flat, snow-free summit.


survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Nov 5, 2008 - 02:14pm PT
Why that's Mt. Bitchin' of course!!

That's a helluva roof on the far right!
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 5, 2008 - 02:15pm PT
It's Mount Peak. Peak-a-boo!

Edit: The right-hand, photo-shopped peak resembles Lotus Flower Tower and Mt. Asgard.
Conrad

climber
Nov 5, 2008 - 02:19pm PT
Looks as if it part of Poincenot group looking across the Torre Valley. Cerro Standhardt is obscured by the peak. The peak to the right is Torre Egger.

It would be interesting to compare a modern image to see how much the "Media Luna" glacier has receded.

Most peaks in the Patagonia region do not have the Baffin-esque style truncated tops.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2008 - 02:34pm PT
Conrad,

I comletely agree... this wall seems like someone dropped Asgard into Patagonia.

I, of course figured out Cerro Torre and Torre Egger but this one is odd. The chap who took this was on an expedition to Fitzroy but it would seem the foreshortening in this photo would be outrageous to make that part of Poincenot...
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 5, 2008 - 02:52pm PT
Where's that Donini guy when we need him???

Oh, he's probably down there, just climbing. . .
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 5, 2008 - 02:58pm PT
I believe the flat topped summit is called El Mocho,
although I can't find a second photo which duplicates the
old photo well enough to show the same features.

[Edit: Oops, Simon and Matt are right - El Mocho is too close/below to give the right perspective - I'd better look for another flat-top!]


Better perspective, but too wide to post:

http://www.adamstein.org/albums/patagonia/el_chalten/ice_climbing/lunch_under_cerro_torre.jpg

http://www.climbinginpatagonia.freeservers.com/To_rutas.htm

http://www.expe.com/montagne/ams/patagonie/mocho/index.htm
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2008 - 03:12pm PT
Clint,

I looked at that lower wall a lot trying to compare it. I must have looked at 20-30 shots but it just seems wrong. The B/W view is further up the valley looking back at Cerro Torre. However, I agree that the flat top peak (can't think of its name right now) is perhaps one of the only/few in the area that looks like that.
Lambone

Ice climber
Ashland, Or
Nov 5, 2008 - 03:22pm PT
Conrad is right, the picture is taken from somewhere in the Fitzroy group. The bigwall on the right is in the foreground, and Cerro Torre is way back there.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 5, 2008 - 03:34pm PT
Donini isn't going down there for another 9 days.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 5, 2008 - 03:46pm PT
Ron,
then tell him to help plastic out on this one. . .

He's the guy that could tell right off, I'm sure, unless
you've got Rolando Garibotti's phone number. . .
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Nov 5, 2008 - 03:47pm PT
OK, correct answer this time:

Aguja Desmochada


http://www.climbing.com/news/hotflashes/agujadesmochada/

http://www.climbinginpatagonia.freeservers.com/main.htm

Map showing proximity of Aguja Desmochada and Aguja Poincenot:

http://www.expe.com/montagne/ams/patagonie/gpchal.htm
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 5, 2008 - 03:49pm PT
Nice job, Clint!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 5, 2008 - 04:20pm PT
I bet the obvious line on the SE face is an OW.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2008 - 04:51pm PT
I just twiched... Already heading to Russia this winter so I guess it will have to be next. Damn! That is a nice wall with tons of potential!
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