Prop. 8 Supporters--YOU SUCK!!!

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dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 24, 2008 - 10:00pm PT
Bible-based bigotry is still bigotry!

And if your religion supports such hate, then your religion sucks.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Oct 24, 2008 - 10:15pm PT
Dirtbag, whoa....we are all people and we are all different and we are all entitled to our thoughts and opinions ....right ? lrl

Mellow is good....sharing ideas is also good....no need for virulence.
Wes Allen

Boulder climber
KY
Oct 24, 2008 - 10:17pm PT
http://www.apple.com/hotnews

No on Prop 8

October 24, 2008

Apple is publicly opposing Proposition 8 and making a donation of $100,000 to the No on 8 campaign. Apple was among the first California companies to offer equal rights and benefits to our employees’ same-sex partners, and we strongly believe that a person’s fundamental rights — including the right to marry — should not be affected by their sexual orientation. Apple views this as a civil rights issue, rather than just a political issue, and is therefore speaking out publicly against Proposition 8.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 24, 2008 - 10:22pm PT
Flashlight

climber
Oct 24, 2008 - 10:55pm PT
http://www.protectmarriage.com/
nita

climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Oct 24, 2008 - 11:01pm PT
Damn, wish i had the money to buy 2000 apple computers.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2008 - 11:46pm PT
"Dirtbag, whoa....we are all people and we are all different and we are all entitled to our thoughts and opinions ....right ? lrl

Mellow is good....sharing ideas is also good....no need for virulence. "


Virulence? No Lynne. But hate sucks, and there is no other way to characterize Prop 8 except as pro-hate.
MisterE

Trad climber
My Inner Nut
Oct 25, 2008 - 12:21am PT
Dirt, don't mince words - tell us what you really think.

Why is everyone Pussy-footing around so today?
hoipolloi

climber
A friends backyard with the neighbors wifi
Oct 25, 2008 - 12:32am PT
First off, I don't think the title of this thread is appropriate and conducive to changing peoples minds, although I entirely agree.

Flashlight, prop 8 is about more than the definition of the word 'marriage.' Its about civil rights, contrary to what Yes on Prop 8 camp is claiming, it is NOT about morals.

This is not a moral issue, its not about whether you agree or disagree with gay marriage, it is about civil rights.

50 years ago people were arguing that it was IMMORAL to share a drinking fountain or a bathroom with black people and people of color. This was a civil rights issue about the civil rights of people of color.

Prop 8 is about taking away civil rights. In this case they are not minorities (in the ethnic sense of the word), they are the rights of gays and lesbians.

Prop 8 does not have any effect on what is or will be taught in schools, it has no effect on the tax exempt status of churches (like the Yes on Prop 8 adds claim), it does not affect you, in fact it has nothing to do with you and it is none of your business.

Prop 8 is, and I hate to use the cliche but it is quite appropriate, about hate. This is a hateful proposition that is going to change the constitutional rights of citizens of California.

Whats the next right we decide is 'immoral' and we need to constitutionally prevent?





My two cents. Sorry for even posting on a political thread, I dislike them as much as anyone on this forum, but this topic just really gets me.
nick d

Trad climber
nm
Oct 25, 2008 - 12:37am PT
Say, isn't that a picture of Jody?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Oct 25, 2008 - 12:42am PT
Still not thinking that the rest of the bro's are sucking. Life is.....Lynne But we are entitled to our opinion.....like everyone...ya, right on.!
Jingy

Social climber
Flatland, Ca
Oct 25, 2008 - 01:39am PT
Good job Hoi in stating it clearly.

It is as you state about keeping those infidels from getting together and fornicating. And those super religious folks seem to want to tell all those who say that they are gay or lesbian from getting their own happiness.

Hey religious folks, don't get your religion on me. If you have a problem with gay or lesbian people then you have the problem, not them. How would you like it if there was a large group of Americans who claimed to be compassionate, caring and family oriented people, but wanted you to completely change your entire lifestyle so that you fit their way of thinking?

Shoe firmly placed on other foot.
dirtineye

Trad climber
the south
Oct 25, 2008 - 01:40am PT
Sure, have your idiotic opinion, but don't force other people to live by your fairy tale religion's rules.

So it's REALLY going to harm you if two gay people want to get married, is that it?

I guess it is better to have a professed fellow christian in charge of the country, who just happens to get thousands of US soldiers killed and maimed for life, and screw up the economy worse than it has been in 80 years, and give all his rich friends a lot of perks.

Yep, I can sure see the merit to this religion based politics stuff alright.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Redlands
Oct 25, 2008 - 01:42am PT
"don't force other people to live by your fairy tale religion's rules."


+10
Tami

Social climber
Vancouver, Canada
Oct 25, 2008 - 02:06am PT
Where I live gays can legally marry. And divorce.

And guess what? Nobody really minds or cares. There haven't been any earthquakes. Or people wanting to marry their dog. Or their mother. Or anything else. No slippery slopes, no weirdsh#t, no nothing.

Except for a few more people getting married. ( or divorced )

Gays are just people. Who cares who they take as a lifetime partner.

MisterE

Trad climber
My Inner Nut
Oct 25, 2008 - 02:29am PT
Great points! I would also just like to add that this is an issue of whether you are narrowing or broadening your acceptance of your fellow beings.

Really, this vote will tell you straight-up.
adam d

climber
CA
Oct 25, 2008 - 02:46am PT
Do any of these political threads actually change minds?

A beer for the first person who finds evidence of minds actually being changed by any of 'em.

I'm voting no. On prop 8 and on "do political taco threads change votes"


Matt

Trad climber
primordial soup
Oct 25, 2008 - 02:48am PT
justice is blind

love is blind

tollerance is blind




































so why does religion divide people?
murcy

climber
San Fran Cisco
Oct 25, 2008 - 02:52am PT
absolutely certain that if everyone knew everyone, gay marriage would be a shoo-in.
Matt

Trad climber
primordial soup
Oct 25, 2008 - 03:00am PT
Xactly
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