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just passing thru
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 9, 2008 - 10:08pm PT
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…and anything outside of the narrow liberal view of what is ‘tolerable’ is quickly stamped as racist, sexist, hate speech or xenophobic.
Political Correctness is the new 1984.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 10, 2008 - 04:24am PT
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hey there, say, just passing thru,
i am not exactly sure what you are referring to, or in which ways this is spilling the banks, as you could be leading in two directions, depending on the situations...
but you DID get me thinking here:
this whole business is very complex and very sad, these days as to what is correct, and what is labeled as hate, etc...
the only example i can kind of uses, to try and show what i mean, is:
when growing up in a very large family, for example, where all are different:
we did not cater to each other's whims, and we had some disagreements, but we learned to get along, truely we did---but if we did not agree, and if we said things that were not according to the others thought-pattern, it did not mean that we hated each other--we did not "doctor it up to meet someone elses standards, we tried to CONTINUALLY communicate, and at times in a variety of ways, until "we got a handle" on learning how to be a family... setting "terms" as to being politically correct, DID NOT DO IT----but learning respect for each other along the "climb of life" through relationships DID...
as politically correctness, if it WAS ever to have been thought to have been tried, in such a vast home, would have done this:
just caused the REAL FEELINGS to be hidden under a "guise" and annamosities would have surely festered, and/or mockeries and snide remards would have been done and said in "dark corner" behind the others back--leading to mistrust, and eventural "show-downs" somewhere along the future...
only healing the heart, where all "manner of unhealthy treatment" comes from, will heal relationships to those in the family----say, it applies to the world, around us, as well...
yet now a days, folks are being taught not to understand this process... and the individual and the mass-production-assembly-line-folk are starting to clash, more and more, in the social arena....
wow--sure wonder if this is going on in the HOME... how will brothers and sisters be relating to each other, come adulthood, if the "old fashioned" ways of "exercising" ones inner man, are "paralyzed"...
hmmm... only time will tell, i reckon...
well, so far, this is not happening in our small neck of the woods, too much, in the families that are relatives of mine, but these kids are not in a big social circle, and their families are not so much "into all that"...
how about you all... how are your little ones doing?
oh, well----not sure exactly what you meant, but it kind of steered me this way...
thanks for the share...
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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Oct 10, 2008 - 04:32am PT
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Oh and for DEAR SAKE
Please don't say you "hate" something or those who are always right will assume you mean you want to take a machete to it.
The PC police lurk on the Supertopo.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 10, 2008 - 04:44am PT
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hey there jbar.. say, i was just going to sleep and i saw that this post moved a nudge...
say, as to words, too, and how folks respond to them, you also got me thinking...
you know---in a way---- this kind of trouble is kind of like the example of the tower of babal:
no one really knowing what the other one is saying...
this can be a very sad thing, huh...
or worse:
it can turn into a very rageful thing, too...
now, it kind of makes me picture the tower of babal situation and it makes me wonder about all the reactions that folks must have exibited... depending on the hearts of the individuals, i wonder how many folks tried to reach out in kindness and try to learn what was going on....
*please understand folks, this is just an example for those that would believe that type of situation, as a historical situation---not meaning anything bad to push one over with, as to how you feel... just sharing an idea, and a wonder, for to learn from, is all...
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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Oct 10, 2008 - 04:52am PT
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Neebee I've been meaning to write you back. At work now and gotta fix my sis's A/C in the morning.
My comment was directed at a particular person who likes to be more a part of the problem than the solution.
There comes a time when people need to stop being so offended about everything and just get on with life. Life in general isn't fair. For every one of the "fittest" there is a not so fittest. Sometimes I think we are trying to save the world so hard we are destroying it. Like trying to drive a screw with a hammer.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Oct 10, 2008 - 10:02am PT
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which is why, jpt, we can not have an honest "conservation about race"
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Jack Burns
climber
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Oct 10, 2008 - 10:12am PT
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I live in a town infested with the politically correct. I love how these folks will browbeat you for saying "black" or "gay" but will describe their neighbors as "redneck" or "white trash" without pause.
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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Oct 10, 2008 - 10:23am PT
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Kind of like"celebrating diversity",as long as the people think just like you.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
Fannie's Crack, AZ
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Oct 10, 2008 - 10:26am PT
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Bunk,
this is being apologetic for racism. If your not a racist don't worry about it. Say what you want when you want to. But don't try to carve out niches for your being allowed or supposed to be allowed to say something. It's a free country.
Edit: Oh yea I forgot, if you are racist you might as well admit it at least to yourself.
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jstan
climber
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Oct 10, 2008 - 10:31am PT
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Considering the talent humans have for deception, our most potent weapon, these discussions can go on for centuries and lead nowhere.
Cut to the chase.
When you are standing in front of some stranger, do you feel they have exactly the same right you have to be alive?
And if you do, what are you willing to do about it?
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Witch Hunter
Social climber
Templeton, CA
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Oct 10, 2008 - 11:11am PT
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"When you are standing in front of some stranger, do you feel they have exactly the same right you have to be alive?
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No, not with people, we blew it as a species. Now when I see Pronghorn Antelope, Giant Kangaroo Rats and Bluntnose Leopard Lizards, I do feel they have the same right.
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just passing thru
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2008 - 12:16pm PT
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I am certainly not a racist.
I grew up in lily-white Boulder and now live in a ‘colorful’ part of Denver. I cannot stand White Boulder, it is so boring, give me real diversity any day to Boulder’s: “I’m diverse because I eat Thai food, attend yoga classes and have prayer flags on my front porch.
Please…
Remember Hurricane Katrina?
The reality was the Hurricane exposed America’s underbelly as unprepared, lazy people that were unable to take care of themselves. They happened to be black so we were not allowed to have an opinion of situation beyond the PC- ‘blame the gov’.
If these refugees would have been white folk, no one would have blamed Bush, the left would have joked, “they must of have been too busy watching NASCAR to evacuate.”
By the PC-liberal's measure, I am a racist. Through the eyes of my Black and Mexican neighbors, I am a good person.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Oct 10, 2008 - 12:30pm PT
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Remember Hurricane Katrina?
The reality was the Hurricane exposed America’s underbelly as unprepared, lazy people that were unable to take care of themselves. They happened to be black so we were not allowed to have an opinion of situation beyond the PC- ‘blame the gov’.
If these refugees would have been white folk, no one would have blamed Bush, the left would have joked, “they must of have been too busy watching NASCAR to evacuate.”
Just passing gas what a load of crap! there are a whole lot of Katrina victims who would be more than offended by your ass-essment that their suffering was because they were lazy and unprepared. You sound like a racist to me.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Oct 10, 2008 - 12:32pm PT
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It's me! I'm the victim! Your language of inclusion marginalizes my narrow mindedness! THERE IS NO JUSTICE!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 10, 2008 - 12:33pm PT
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A fundamental if not the deciding issue in the current US presidential election is race. A significant proportion of voters would never vote for a black. Some blatantly, but many might not even be able to admit it to themselves. It's easy to find pretexts for not voting for someone when you don't want to vote for her/him anyway.
Probably a higher proportion of Republican than Democrat voters are influenced by the race of the candidate - the Democrats have, after all, come to symbolize civil liberties and equality. And of course, with the shoe on the other foot, perhaps a higher proportion of black voters (mostly Democratic, I believe) are likely to vote, and vote for a black candidate, than might otherwise be the case.
But it's a largely undiscussed and very troubling issue. See today's Daily Telegraph (an influential British conservative newspaper) for more.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3167558/Barack-Obamas-race-remains-an-issue-in-swing-state-Ohio.html
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Witch Hunter
Social climber
Templeton, CA
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Oct 10, 2008 - 12:34pm PT
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There were plenty of lazy, unprepared white people that got devastated by Katrina.
Does that make me racist?
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just passing thru
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2008 - 01:01pm PT
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Philo from the People’s Republic of Boulder Proclaims:
“there are a whole lot of Katrina victims who would be more than offended by your ass-essment that their suffering was because they were lazy and unprepared. You sound like a racist to me.”
PC thinking to a tee: Assuming an opinion will offend a certain group that neither party is a member of.
Witchhunter:
“There were plenty of lazy, unprepared white people that got devastated by Katrina.”
The story and resulting fodder was from the media focus on the blacks ‘trapped’ at the Super Dome.
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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Oct 10, 2008 - 01:03pm PT
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Senator Obama's race was brought up many times here on Supertopo in the early stages of the Democratic primaries.My opinion,then,as now,is that for every "white" person that would not vote for him,there is a corresponding"black"who will just because of his race.I typed it a few times,but bailed because i knew I'd be labeled racist.Norweigian finally posted it.
The sad part is that Obama has gotten a free pass from the media in this election because you can't call him out on anything without being labeled a racist.
Palin's daughter's pregnancy would be case in point.If Obama had a pregnant seventeen year old daughter,that discussion would be completely off the table.
I'd vote for Condi Rice in a minute.Or Colin Powell.Better yet,both on the same ticket.
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PP
Trad climber
SF,CA
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Oct 10, 2008 - 01:07pm PT
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there were alot of elderly and infants and people without cars in Katrina. where does lazy come into this equation?
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Witch Hunter
Social climber
Templeton, CA
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Oct 10, 2008 - 01:08pm PT
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"Palin's daughter's pregnancy would be case in point.If Obama had a pregnant seventeen year old daughter,that discussion would be completely off the table."
Bullsh#t. It actually would be on the table. No way in hell the Republicans would let that one go. But if you're white trash, raising the next generation of white trash, you get a free pass in this country.
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