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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 5, 2008 - 11:05pm PT
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We had him cornered in Afghanistan. Orders came in not to initiate the attack. He escaped into Pakistan. It was the first time in the commander’s memory that a Delta Force Plan was rejected. Who is benefiting from Osama being kept alive?
I just saw this on 60 minutes. I have wondered this for some time. WTF?
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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So we could invade Iraq for fun and profit?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Clinton and the CIA had him. But Clinton would not sacrifice a few woman and children, a big mistake.
A few Tomahawks and no 9/11.
Juan
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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You mean, Mr. October Surprise?
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Could it be the same reason that everyone named Bin Laden got to fly out of America, without being questioned by the FBI, when no Americans were allowed to fly?
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2008 - 11:18pm PT
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LOL.... Mr. October Suprise! I hope you are wrong MH.
I was talking to Lars Johansen tonight and we were discussing just that. The Repubs have an attack or some October surprise planned to swing the election. The industrial war complex will not make big bucks with an Obama presidency.
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dirtbag
climber
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I'm not so sure it would work this time.
For one thing, Bush would be the one given credit for any success--not McCain.
For another, there are just too many other things going on--Iraq, the economy, etc. that I think it would be hard to be seriously distracted by that kind of stuff.
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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You can't always believe everything an operator says. Perspective in the field is very different than that of command and perspective always changes after the smoke clears. Lots of books could be writen on the same subject. I can give you a list of similar situations. On the other hand many operations have been compromised and men's lives put at stake by people who do not understand the dynamics. Thats what happened to us in Somalia with Madelene Notbright. This is MY number one consideration in deciding who should be our next president and leader of the free world.
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WBraun
climber
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That azzhole Karl Rove pulls him out of the bag whenever they need a quick fix scare to pull the wool over the sheep to keep em in line.
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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Obama, oops I meant Osama, has been a U.S. target since the first attempt on the WTC.
Don't get too hot about the above. It's just a joke.
If I scrounged around in my old range bag I might be able to find one of my old Osama head targets we used for practice back in '94.
Media is as media does.
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andanother
climber
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"For one thing, Bush would be the one given credit for any success--not McCain. "
That's the point. Bush has passed a law that would allow him to remain in office indefinitely.
The Bin Laden family (Osama included) are business partners with the Bush family. And the October surprise is nothing more than business as usual.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Because the biggest fear that Bush has is not terrorism, but that there might be something left in the Treasury before he leaves office?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Zawahiri is the only one anyone's seen or heard from in quite a while. Is he dead already?
This still begs the point. Osama was (or is) only the spokesman for a wahabist sect.
The destruction of that sect, "weltanstung" (sp?), is the causus belli.
The personality is at this point only a footnote.
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Ouch!
climber
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Palin probably has him in her trailer in Alaska, waiting to show him off the day before the election.
Could be he's been dead for years.
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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Osama does require dialysis which is one of the ways formerly used to track him. I thought he had been killed on a few occasions especailly with the lack of propaganda briefs he was famous for giving to Al Jazeera. Hiding out has never been and would not be an issue for bin Laden either. He was booted from Saudi because he is a threat to the Princes, he has taken refuge in Sudan, Afghanistan, Somalia, East Africa and Pakistan. He could easily have crossed into Pakistan again. That certainly is the hotbed of al qaeda activity. If that is the case there is little that can be legally done. Zardari has his hands tied by the Islamic gov. Osama could just as well be hiding in Africa again or even in Albania. There were rumors he was trying to get into Kosovo while I was there. For those who don't already know the only reason he left Somalia was because of U.S. pressure and again in East Africa after the simultaneous bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and then it was the U.S. who pressured Sudan to give Osama up and then asked him to leave when we refused to take him.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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The whole "caves of Afghanistan" thing is a myth. They may have fled there initially, but most of them quickly found refuge with sympathetic (or easily purchased) friends in Pakistan. The idea that the bulk of Al Qaeda, particularly the upper tier, have been hunkered down in caves for the past 7 years is ridiculous.
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jbar
Mountain climber
Inside my head
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I haven't heard about them being hunkered down in caves but I don't follow the media. They had weapons caches and temp. hides in the mountains but after we followed them there they began moving from village to village. Made me think of what I read about Chinese villages during the Communist Rev or maybe even Vietnam. They don't like al qaeda, most of al qaeda are not of the same ethnic group, and they don't like war but they fear them and are threatened by them so they do what they have to. They soon slipped over the border which became the domain of the indie operators like blackwater.
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lucaskrajnik
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Democratic government lies to its people.
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