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Jedi

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 15, 2005 - 04:28pm PT
I'm doing T trip (3 people total)
how big should it be?
how does all that wall crapping work?
Clayman

Trad climber
CA
Mar 15, 2005 - 05:26pm PT
Heres what works better than a poop tube i thought-

to poo:
best be on a ledge but a portaledge would work too, just be acurate- duct tape some some butcher paper down (double up if its gonna be huge) and go for it. Put all the toilet paper and stuff on top of the mess. then wrap it up like a burrito and use the duct tape to keep all the folds in place. Drop it into a ziploc bag and seal it. Then drop the ziploc with its new deposit into a dry bag with kitty litter it it. Keep some hand sanitizer on hand. The dry bag is the way to go-lighter and not nearly as big and clunky as the poop tube.
StyMingersfink

climber
the 51st state.... denial
Mar 15, 2005 - 06:19pm PT
K.I.S.S.

The plastic grocery bags work great. The handles pull right up over the buttocks, providing a good seal and weigh next to nothing. Easy enough to do mid-pitch too if ya have to. Make sure there are no holes in them!

Do your business, wrap it burrito style, and toss it into a section of the lightest weight corrugated PVC pipe you can find. A 2' section of 3" with one end cap glued on, (the removable end cap should be teathered to your toob) worked fine for a party of 2 for 5 days with room to spare.

YMMV! Better to have a little extra room at the end of the trip than to not have enough!
Gunkie

climber
Mar 15, 2005 - 07:11pm PT
I hate sharing a poop tube. I carry my own. It's only big enough for my deposits.

With that said, most of the weight in the empty poop tube is in the ends. Make it plenty long. Too short is bad.

You'll need to figure out your own technique for taking care of business :)
John Barleycorn

climber
Mar 15, 2005 - 08:06pm PT
My only was was leaning tower and we did that in a day so i have never had the pleasure of using a poop tube, but i am curious about one thing. if i'm taking a leak while i take a dump, how am i gonna do that and not sh#t or pee all over my portaledge? is there some kind of trick? just wonderin'...

jb
WBraun

climber
Mar 15, 2005 - 08:49pm PT
Some people donít even need to sh-it on walls. They wait till they top out. When me and the deuce did the P.O. John never sh-it until the top. Now thatís what I call a real BURT BRONSON.

No poop tube for the Deuce.
golsen

Social climber
kennewick, wa
Mar 15, 2005 - 08:53pm PT
Another good reason to reach the top? lol
Gabe

Social climber
CA
Mar 15, 2005 - 09:06pm PT
I think Mike makes the best tube I've seen/used. I know it's not top secret info but I can't remember what the piece he uses for a top is called??.......Mike? ......There is a climber out there who ties a piece of twine to the bottom of his bag and by the end of a route has about 20' of sh#t bags (one every 2 to 3 feet). This does not seem to be the better way but who am I to judge. Ha! Cheers!
nature

climber
Flagstaff, AZ
Mar 15, 2005 - 09:31pm PT
Plastic grocery bags - doubled up if need. A small bungy cord attached to each handle and wrapped over the waist. With that you'll have both hands free! It works.
poop_tube

Trad climber
Irvine, CA
Mar 15, 2005 - 09:42pm PT
WBraun

climber
Mar 15, 2005 - 10:30pm PT
Donít hang those things in the sun for a yearÖ..true story.

Once someone hung one of these poop tubes on the fence at the Sar Cache. It was there for over a year. One day it exploded violently spewing itís deadly contents all over the yard. I had to get the hazmat suit, gas mask and fire hose to clean up the sh-it!

Another time someone left one over by the outhouse at ranger rock. They labeled it BOMB. The bomb squad from Fresno had to come to defuse it. The park was taking no chances with how the current world in itís volatile state can be.
Ammon

Big Wall climber
Lake Arrowhead
Mar 15, 2005 - 10:45pm PT


"Some people donít even need to sh-it on walls. They wait till they top out. When me and the deuce did the P.O. John never sh-it until the top. Now thatís what I call a real BURT BRONSON."

Haa haa, Austin did the same thing. It was like 6 days.... or something. I kept asking him, "Son, are you sure you don't need to go today?"

The second we were standing on the rim, I turned around just in time to see Austin's harness fly into the bushes as he ran into the trees. LOL

deuce4

climber
Pagosa Springs CO
Mar 16, 2005 - 05:29am PT
hey Werner, can't believe you remember that!! Of all things.

I think we fired up that route (the PO) so fast--wasn't it 4 days, 3 nights, no fixing--that there wasn't time to squat! I'm sure it was a good one on top though.

Speaking of modern methods, the chemical bags Metolius is marketing (the "WAG" bags)are a nice way to go for less smelly poop tubes. Pricely though...
Mike.

climber
Mar 16, 2005 - 08:47am PT
Heyya happy peeps, Revised, based on an old post:

Home improvement store materials:

10' x 3" or 4" drain pipe: $3 (Ī$1 per tube), cuts easily with hand wood saw, accepts standard PVC fittings, super light and durable.

PVC cap for bottom: Ī$1. Roughen inside of it with a knife, etc., mix epoxy directly in cap, slide it on then duct tape onto tube around the lip. Get the minimalist, cheap white one and not the big black one.

Ī16" of cordage for hanger: (I like 1/2" webbing) with an overhand knot tied near each end. Duct tape around top (several winds) of tube with the knots just poking out underneath (make sense?). If that wigs you, get a hose clamp for another buck or so.

Plumbing test plug with expanding rubber seal/wingnut closure (the red one that says "stand clear when in use" on top: Ī$5.

1" key ring and light accessory cord for cap keeper: Ī$1. Take the wingnut off the the cap, put the key ring on and screw the wingnut back on. Tie keeper to this ring and to the hanger. The ring keeps the keeper from getting twisted up when the wingnut is turned.

Shave off with a knife any ragged edge inside the opening, maybe a LIGHT coating of veg oil in this area (or on the plug gasket) Both keep the plug easy to remove/insert.


Technique:

Big rule #1: Don't wait until it's dire. Pee before you poo; if you gotta poo super bad, you often can't hold it while you drain your bladder. Tough (not impossible) to do without peeing somewhere you don't want to (on/in poo bag, portaledge, climbers on your tail).

I use small paper lunch sacks (which can later be dumped into a pit toilet such as the ones at Bridalveil Fall parking) pre-packed with TP. Squat down into swami after checking the daisy/fifi/whatever length. "Front hand" holds the weener like a ciggie (w/ index, middle), pointing away from the ledge and the bag for the inevitable small pee release after/during pooing, the thumb and other 2 fingers hold the front of the bag. The "back hand" holds the bag, keeps bag open. Jeronimo. Tear off excess clean bag paper before inserting if tube capacity is an issue.

Some people have good results with other methods (drybag-type, taping up cans, yada), so the reco above is but one proven way to "go."

wildone

Social climber
the little ditch
Mar 16, 2005 - 08:59am PT
I was born with my poop tube. It's in my butt.
zardoz

Trad climber
Wheat Ridge
Mar 16, 2005 - 07:15pm PT
"Another time someone left one over by the outhouse at ranger rock. They labeled it BOMB. The bomb squad from Fresno had to come to defuse it. The park was taking no chances with how the current world in itís volatile state can be. "

I have to say, that is some funny sh#t.
Nanook

climber
Mar 17, 2005 - 01:31pm PT
Bruthers, puh-lease--PVC tubes are so (early)90s. They're bulky, heavy and often cannot be coaxed from the summit.

Dry bags where an improvement. They weigh a lot less but unfortunately wear holes pretty easy on lower-angle routes(anything but the southeast face/leaning tower/right side of half dome). Some proud folks avoid this problem by putting them right in the haulbag--sounds dicey.

The best budget idea I've seen in the last couple years is a large plastic laundry detergent bottle with the spout cut out(don't remove the threads that hold on the cap), the handle takes a shoulder-length sling easy. The only bummer is you still have to handle your load pretty intimately to roll a burrito that fits in the spout.

If you've got a few bucks the Metolius wastecase is the way to go. It weights nothing and the larger opening means you can crush your cans and have most if not all of your trash and poop in one, haulbag stength, bag.

Doubling up the plastic grocery bags is the way to dump it--the latest research shows that paperbags in landfills do not show any more decomposition than plastic bags after 45 years. As for the peeing and pooping at the same time--if you hang your money over the edge of the ledge you can have your poop bags sucked up tight and still send the shower at the same time.
poop_tube

Trad climber
Irvine, CA
Mar 17, 2005 - 01:35pm PT


I used a freezer strength ziplock bag with a cool easy zipper thingamajigger. I've heard about using empty 2 liter soda bottles and cutting a V in it to put in the contents then duct taping it shut. I've never tried it though.
Melissa

Big Wall climber
oakland, ca
Mar 17, 2005 - 02:03pm PT
Some observations on poop vessels...

Carrying a poopy dry bag down from the summit is grim duty. They may be waterproof, but they're 'breathable'.

However, they are cheap and easy to come by, so I can get a freshy each time if I want.

Having a poop vessel with too small of a mouth means you'll have to force your morning gnarliness through. This is really unpleasant. (i.e. pay attention to this when picking out your detergent if you go that route). Similar unpleasantness happens if it's too low volume.

I got paid 30 buck to tell stories at Cafe du Nord in San Francisco last time this topic came up. A woman was googling for people who camped in unsual places to perform at their story telling club and thought the topic would be a crowd pleaser. Actually, when she explained that I was supposed to talk about camping on the rock I started pitching all of the starndard stories of big wall suffering...forced bivies, partner melt down, dehydration, etc. And she said, "All that's fine, but can you talk about crapping in a bag?"
deuce4

Social climber
Pagosa Springs CO
Mar 17, 2005 - 02:41pm PT
Pretty much every slide show I ever did on big wall climbing, either the first or one of the early questions after the show would be, "how do you go to..", well you know.

Sometimes I thought if I could just wow the audience further with beautiful images of mountain views, exotic places, or local colorful people, I could avert the question, but no, never did.

(well, maybe once or twice)
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