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Mountain climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 30, 2008 - 10:24pm PT
...and other needless infringements.

I am against the cell phone law. What are they going to do next? Ban eating? Ban drinking a coke? Ban adjusting your radio? Criminalize adjusting your mirrors? Think I am kidding...you wait. Once you start down this slippery slope there is no stopping it.

What I would be for is a blanket law for inattentive driving. In other words, if you are doing something stupid like weaving, 25mph in the fast lane, stopped at a green light, etc...and you are being inattentive due to a cell phone, reading the paper, etc...have an enhanced fine for the observed violation. I see no reason why someone should be busted for the mere act of driving down the road talking on their cell if they are not violating any other laws.

P.S. This opinion is my personal opinion and not that of my employer or the State of CA. (But it should be.)

P.S.S. I would bet a bundle that Bluetooth bankrolled the new cell phone law lobby.

P.S.S.S We already have a "blanket law" that would cover what I mentioned above. 22350VC-(Unsafe speed for conditions).

Social climber
wuz real!
Jun 30, 2008 - 11:23pm PT
Can you put a phone to your ear in in your car, when pulled off on the shoulder, without facing banishment to the Gulag? What about if you are on a bike approaching Tesla in Livermore?

Trad climber
New York, NY
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:02am PT
I am in favor of no handheld cel phones while driving. Been nearly run over just a few too many times by some idiot yacking away and not realizing there's someone in the cross walk they're about to roll through or cross while making a turn.

Jul 1, 2008 - 12:11am PT
Think of the children!

Trad climber
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:15am PT
cell phones divide ones attention, and concentration between driving and the conversation taking place.

I was cited, years ago, for driving while listening to my, damn i'm old, walkman. this pissed me off. no differnt than listning to the radio.

Hang up and drive.

Green lights mean it is safe to go. doesn't mean you have to go.

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 12:17am PT
Yes, you DO have to go. Otherwise you are in violation of impeding traffic.

Cite the people who drive stupidly while on phones. Don't cite the ones who are obeying all laws while talking on the phone.

Jul 1, 2008 - 12:19am PT
I wish I could talk on a phone.

Cardiff by the sea
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:28am PT
"I wish I could talk on a phone"

No you don't Werner, it's not what it's all cracked up to be. I hate mine most of the time.


I pretty much agree with you. I believe that the people that get distracted using a cell phone while driving it's not going to make mush difference if they they have it in their hands or their ear.

Trad climber
New York, NY
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:35am PT
"Cite the people who drive stupidly while on phones. Don't cite the ones who are obeying all laws while talking on the phone"

...don't you think that most police will do just exactly that?

FYI, we have had the no hand-held law here in NYC for some time now. There are still plenty of people who continue to do it and I see them drive past police all the time without the police taking action.

I have driven a few times with a cel phone, and because of the law, I always used the earphone attachment. I don't know why, but it does seem that using the microphone felt like the focus was on driving. The times when I have used the phone while driving and didn't have the mic, I definitely felt my focus was more on the phone.

I really think there's some connection with the fact that one hand is pretty much taken out of driving action due to holding the phone and the ability to focus properly. Of course, a person having a limited "yes, no, okay I'll pick up dinner on the way" conversation is also way different that the "and then I" sorts reporting the minutiae of their lives.

Trad climber
Butte, America
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:40am PT
Try eating a salad when you drive--now that takes some attention to pull off.

Jody has seen enough bad driving habits to be a pretty source for an educated opinion.

Of course, living in driving in Montana nowhere resembles that of Californicatia.

Jul 1, 2008 - 12:42am PT
I know... "opinions are like a$$holes" Here's mine.

I work out in the streets for a living and I'm GLAD there is finally a law like this. I'm happy there might be a few more folks paying attention to driving, rather than their mind in the clouds, yakking to their BBF or talking about picking up a loaf of bread at the corner store.

I've witnessed car accidents where BOTH drivers were on the cell phone and pulled bonehead moves and hit each other in downtown San Luis Obispo. Thank god I was on the sidewalk at the time.

I know you can't legislate common sense, but this reaction is the same as when the "seat belt" law passed, the "helmet" law passed, etc. I thought it was stupid that a law had to be passed to "encourage" a person to wear a seatbelt and put on a helmet, but...

Drive careful out there and the guy in an orange vest isn't a target,he/she is just trying to make a living!


mojede - oops on the BBF - Thanks for catching that- I think my cell phone is making my brain skip like a scratched record (remember those vinyl things?) see - http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=625629

fatrad: Thanks for the compliment, but I'll keep my day job as a turd herder for the city of SLO, where I'm out in traffic daily!

see below...

Trad climber
Butte, America
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:48am PT
Don't you mean BFF?

What does BBF stand for, anyways ? Best Boy Friend, Black Boy Friend, Biggest Boy Friend--hehe.

Social climber
Flatland, Ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:56am PT
I already had a blue tooth. This law means nothing to me for a few reason:
1. I don't really like to drive and talk on the phone, but when it's needed I have the technology to do so, safely.
2. There really is nothing happening in my life that someone, any one, would need to talk to me about "Right Now"!
3. I don't want to be part of an accident in which I am found at fault. If they can get my phone records showing that a call ended just after the time of an accident I was involved in... I'm pegged, and I pay.

But none of this will happen if we (the self-important) all put the phones down while driving. Seems to make sense that we would want to make people pay attention to the road they are driving at speeds on.

Call me reactionary, but I think that the car should not be equipped with drink holders. Yes even those things take your eyes off the road. Isn't that what I hear about some of those higher end sports cars in Europe?

I'm not saying we need a law that says "watch the road", and I agree, at least a little, with Jody, in that this is a slippery slope, but we, as a society, cannot seem to monitor ourselves with these matters. It would be pretty easy.. Next time your friend is driving, giving someone directions to the great new bar, or to the party while driving, grab the phone or yell at them to watch the road, or just insist that the car be stopped. It's your life they have in their hands too. I guess this might be my own lack of trust for other drivers showing through, but come on.

We are human, this society seems to be pretty dumb (Bush put in office twice? War without proof? WWF wrestling?), and unfortunately, it is the few that this law is intended to corral or dissuade.

So, all in all, I partially agree with the law due to people being people, and people being dumb. I hate the fact that this law needed to be enacted, because it does infringe on my rights/privileges. And it is a slippery slope we are on, but it's not the only front that our rights are being smoothed away.
The user formerly known as stzzo

Armchair climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jul 1, 2008 - 10:55am PT
Call me reactionary, but I think that the car should not be equipped with drink holders.

Perhaps there needs to be a law that cars cannot be equipped with drink holders ;-). Same with radios and heating / air controls...

I hate the fact that this law needed to be enacted, because it does infringe on my rights/privileges.

All laws infringe on your privileges :-). It's always a question of public good vs. personal convenience / pleasure.

Jul 1, 2008 - 11:05am PT
Since he is a highway safety officer, I value Jody's opinion.

Trad climber
east bay, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:08pm PT
My wife has a Camry hybrid (company car) with a graphics console through which you interact with the GPS, bluetooth, radio, CD player, and all the fancy displays associated with the hybrid stuff. I find that gizmo to be a certifiable danger to safe driving.

And those minivans and SUVs with DVD players in the dash? Forget about it.

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:09pm PT
You guys jest, however, there were attempts to tack on laws prohibiting you from smoking, eating or drinking beverages while driving...


Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 12:10pm PT
You can't drive and smoke...if there are kids in the car. As of now in CA.

Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:16pm PT
Next thing ya' know, they'll be printing up fancy paper bills and calling it "money"....
Jack Burns

Jul 1, 2008 - 12:22pm PT
It's hard trying to reload a revolver while driving. Gotta get one of them semi-autos one of these days.
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