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clustiere
Trad climber
running springs, ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 13, 2004 - 07:43pm PT
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I am wondering if anybody has done this route recently as I am hoping to climb it when it warms up a bit. The topo of it makes it look sustained and fun.
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funkness
climber
So,Ca.
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Dec 13, 2004 - 07:47pm PT
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Dude, you have a topo, what more do you need? Just go climb the damn route.
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clustiere
Trad climber
running springs, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2004 - 08:01pm PT
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SSSUUUUPPPPEEEEEERRRRR TTTTTTOOOPPPPOOO get it, we like it here because it is the best beta on earth. I would very much like to efficiently climb this route, and perhaps do another route afterwards.
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funkness
climber
So,Ca.
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Dec 13, 2004 - 08:18pm PT
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Okay, fine.
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Jedi
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Dec 13, 2004 - 08:27pm PT
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Clustiere... we gotta do Brown Recluse and Bird HUnter in a day. I need to see the topo. I'm training hard...
later Beotch.
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euphoria
Trad climber
Slippery Rock, PA
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Dec 14, 2004 - 08:43am PT
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Just so you know, if you think you've been bitten by a brown recluse, don't go to the Sonora General Hospital. They told me that, get this, brown recluses don't live in California.
Sonora specializes in that sort of "slap the power of Jesus into someone's forehead" type of medicine that one can occasionally see on late-night television. Not my bag.
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flamer
Trad climber
denver
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Dec 14, 2004 - 08:57am PT
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I would take the FA party from BR into consideration.
From what I hear this route is full-on 5.11; ie not your typical RR 5.11. Also I've heard Bird Hunter Buttress has extremely poor bolts-including anchors- so be ready.
Have fun Bro!! They both look to be good routes!!!
josh
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Burt
climber
Sin City
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Dec 14, 2004 - 11:17am PT
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Bro, it is a really good route but is a total adventure. Go find some adventure. Route has only seen a handful of ascents and is still as "real" as ever. You are not going to get the supertaco version of the route, if you are not into going and having a cool adventure I would probabaly stay off the route. I heard Black Velvet Canyon is all supertacoed up.
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flash5twelve
climber
Fort Collins, CO
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Dec 15, 2004 - 05:00pm PT
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Euphoria wrote:
"Just so you know, if you think you've been bitten by a brown recluse, don't go to the Sonora General Hospital. They told me that, get this, brown recluses don't live in California."
I don't know anything about the care given at Sonora General Hospital, but they are right: brown recluse spiders do not live in California.
Get this:
http://spiders.ucr.edu/
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Brutus of Wyde
climber
Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
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Dec 15, 2004 - 05:14pm PT
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I saw a brown recluse once in JTNM.
At least, I think it was a brown recluse.
It had six eyes spaced in three pairs, and a very distinctive and clear violin marking on the cephalothorax.
I had someone toss me my approach shoe so I could brush it off the hold I needed. Critical hold, near the start of the climb.
The climb was coarse and buggy.
But I wouldn't know for sure if it was a violin spider,
'cause I ain't no enema-ologist.
Brutus
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David Nelson
climber
San Francisco
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Dec 15, 2004 - 06:09pm PT
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Flash5twelve: loved your link to brown recluse pages. Killer.
Just for fun, you all: what do you call the condition of being bitten by a brown recluse spider? (This is not a joke, it is a real medical diagnosis; I am a hand surgeon.)
(answer below; don't cheat and look!)
(loxoscellism, due to its name, Loxosceles reclusa.)
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Dec 15, 2004 - 06:53pm PT
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Wow, this post went from a request for beta on a route to a dissertation on spiders.
Must be Winter!
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Thom
Trad climber
South Orange County, CA
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Dec 15, 2004 - 10:09pm PT
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Yep—no Brown Recluse in CA.
I work outdoors and our company is REALLY big on safety in general. Recently, we had one of the head haunchos from Vector Control visit for a brief talk on insects and the like, who also advised, "It's a fallacy; a myth; an urban legend. There are no Brown Recluse Spiders in CA."
t.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Dec 16, 2004 - 04:04pm PT
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I thought it was interesting that the area where Brown Recluse is located (RR = Red Rocks, I presume) was not mentioned until one of the later replies. When I saw the first post, I thought you might have meant the "Brown Recluse" climb at the Spider Wall in Connecticut, which is a 5.8 ow....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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http://delusion.ucdavis.edu/brownrecluse.html
Recluse spiders occur throughout the southern United States, as far south as Chile. The Brown Recluse spider, Loxosceles reclusa, does not occur in the established populations of Northern California nor within approximately 1,000 miles of California, although imported individuals rarely have been collected in Riverside County. In the past 30 years there have been only four instances of L. reclusa being imported into central California in cargo crates and boxes. All of these were found in warehouses or commercial storage in low elevation communities in the Central Valley, and none have become established.
There are several related species of Recluse spiders that may occur in or near California. L. arizonica, is distributed in various parts of Arizona and may occur as far west as the Arizona-California border. Loxosceles deserta, the desert recluse, occurs in extreme southern California, and L. laeta, a tropical species, was recently introduced and is established in a very restricted area of San Diego County.
Can we get an opinion from Berkeley?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Good find, Ed. I've read his stuff before debunking the Brown Recluse hype
but this one puts paid to the whole nonsense, and in good style!
Many times the speculative stories are based on the premise that a brown recluse COULD be found in California. While this is certainly true (since people move from the Midwest each day), it is also true that because I am a male, I could have an illicit and immoral relationship with a Playboy bunny. This is definitely a possibility. However the chasm between "POSSIBILITY" and "PROBABILITY" is so wide you couldn't build a bridge between here and there.
And there's a possibility I could climb 5.12, too!
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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^^^^^^^^uummm...no. more like phoneutria. Not reclusive at all!
edit to add: could be cupiennius, if it bites you and you die then it is probably phoneutria.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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http://spiders.ucr.edu/recluseid.html
three pairs of eyes...
most spiders have 4 pair... but that means you're actually looking closely at the spider...
Six eyes, not eight
Dark violin pattern
Uniformly colored legs and uniformly colored abdomen
Fine hairs only, no spines
Web made out of sight
Not larger than 1/2 inch in body length
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