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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 20, 2007 - 12:52am PT
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I for one think it is inevitable.
JDF
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2007 - 01:06am PT
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So that is 3 votes - Yes?
I am not sure I can count your votes as it is an adult survey.
Juan
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 20, 2007 - 01:11am PT
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Better check with DaftRat before doing anything rash.
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Mimi
climber
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Feb 20, 2007 - 01:15am PT
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It's inevertabrull.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2007 - 01:20am PT
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It's inevertabrull.
Tit's a never bull.
Jesus, Mimi - get it right...
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Feb 20, 2007 - 01:29am PT
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I give the possibility of war at 75%. I like the way the weathermen do it. I also give the probablility that Whitey will learn to discuss a subject in a mature manner without the invective at one percent. But children will be children.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 20, 2007 - 01:38am PT
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You know
You all just huckin & jive n
Where's the hustle and flow?
You all gonna die anyway
Then WHAT?
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Mimi
climber
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Feb 20, 2007 - 01:39am PT
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Ya think? I should of used onomatopoeia.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2007 - 01:44am PT
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I was hoping for serious opinions. Do you think that we will go to war with Iran? What is your gut feeling?
JDF
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Mimi
climber
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Feb 20, 2007 - 01:47am PT
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My gut tells me that eating several wicked chiles and drinking that first cup of joe in the morning will pretty much emulate what will happen if the war in the ME escalates.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2007 - 01:50am PT
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Serious opinions? Ok, I'd say you're off your meds again...
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Mimi
climber
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Feb 20, 2007 - 01:53am PT
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Where are the men with the butterfly nets?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2007 - 02:00am PT
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Look people how hard is to answer a simple question?
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Feb 20, 2007 - 02:02am PT
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Juan, they are afraid, very afraid.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Feb 20, 2007 - 02:29am PT
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And exactly what will you do about it if he does whitey? Oh, I know: "dumbass, dumbass, dumbass."
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Feb 20, 2007 - 02:53am PT
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I'd say more likely than not. We need to keep the economy strong enough to pay for the increased energy costs that feed our leaders.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2007 - 02:54am PT
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Immediate impeachment proceedings would be in order I should think.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 20, 2007 - 03:12am PT
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It's worth remembering that all army general staffs spend their spare time drawing up detailed plans for all likely military eventualities. (Between the world wars, the tiny Canadian army drew up plans to invade the U.S., just in case it was needed.) So the "plans" may just be something someone took off the shelf, and nothing new.
Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. constitution states that the Congress has jurisdiction: "To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water." If Congress declared war against Iran, I must have been sleeping.
I'm guessing that right now Congress will choose to jealously defend its constitutional rights, unless a genuine act of war is committed by Iran against the U.S. Congress has more and more allowed the executive to usurp the war power, or rubber stamped it when asked. (Gulf of Tonkin 1964, Iraq 2003.) No doubt Cheney, Bush and the boys will claim that it's authorized under the Iraq resolution, or necessary to prosecute the Iraqi war, or because Iran started it (look for a fabricated incident), or that you have to rally around the flag, or that in fact the executive can do whatever it damn well pleases because Congress is a bunch of dithering idiots.
It's quite unclear how any hostilities against Iran would advance the political and strategic interests of the U.S. The U.S. probably can't do much more than bomb strategic targets, and has neither the troops nor the money to actually invade. In other words, they'd put a stick in the wasp's nest, stir it up, and be stuck with the consequences. And the rest of the world would condemn it, while the Chinese and other real foes would find it all quite interesting.
Even if Iran is a real and current threat, Bush may be in the position of the boy who cried wolf too often.
My guess is that any overt steps by the administration toward hostilities toward Iran will lead to impeachment. It will certainly lead to a veto-proof vote by both houses to condemn it, and deny any funding. Given the vote last Friday, and the news, Congress may even pre-empt the administration.
Bush and Cheney cornered won't be a pretty thing. It may be one constitutional crisis that Bush's friends on the Supreme Court can't get him out of - ultimately he's answerable to the court of Congress.
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Feb 20, 2007 - 09:55am PT
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methinks the bigger question is how long before we are at war with china...iran can't invade and occupy. china on the other hand - give half the single men a frikin 22 and we are outnumbered, especially with most of the armed forces off defending haliburton assets
what was that last hopi indian prophecy ? something about a country from the west attacking, dropping great gourds filled with ash all over the land ? good thing none of the other stuff they said came to pass...oh, wait...
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 20, 2007 - 10:05am PT
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10%
The consequences for the U.S. would be disastrous, far beyond the problems we have with Iraq.
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