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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Original Post - May 18, 2019 - 08:35pm PT
Thanks for everything. We were a scorned bunch, to be sure, and rightfully so quite often.

But I learned a lot from many of you, and I will miss dialoguing and discussing politics and world events with other climbers.

Sure, there are other venues for such discussions, and I've explored many of them. But none of them have really appealed as much as the oftentimes dysfunctional, but always stimulating crowd I found here at ST.

And to Chris & RJ- I completely understand and support your desire to not see the kind of general icky-ness associated with political threads as a part of your vision for ST. If any of my posts contributed to the demise of ST, I am deeply sorry for that.

For whatever it's worth, the ST polititards have been a valued part of my experience at ST, and a small part of my life. I'll miss many of you, and having this venue to gain insight to other points of view. Thanks again, everyone.

10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
May 18, 2019 - 09:04pm PT
check out Hip Forums.
They talk politics, but there are a lot of different topics as well.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2019 - 08:01am PT
Looked into that the other night, 10b...it's....interesting.

Not at all the same, though, as the community that we had here. I'll very much miss it.
dirtbag

climber
May 20, 2019 - 08:05am PT
Widefetish awaits you!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 20, 2019 - 08:18am PT
Bugger it all, I just stopped in here and picked up my immigration papers.
Soon Iíll only have a bunch of penguins to argue with...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 20, 2019 - 09:37am PT
Politards are lucky, internet forums for them are abundant, for climbers....not so much.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2019 - 09:54am PT
Perhaps, but finding a forum of climbers who are interested in politics is a tall order.
Trump

climber
May 20, 2019 - 10:24am PT
If weíre hard to please, then weíre pleased less often. As usual, I think that itís not so much about them as it is about us. I feel pretty lucky myself, and I hope for yíall that you do too.

Cheers people!
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
May 20, 2019 - 10:35am PT
I would like to say something very political at this moment that is beyond a doubt true, but it would probably tick off everyone, and then I would probably get the boot.

How would that be to get kicked-off of ST the last few days of ST forum's existence? I could just see it now: Klimmer got kicked off (again) right at the very end. Bah-hah-hah ...

Lol


So I will refrain. But man ... was it gonna be good.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 20, 2019 - 10:41am PT
Donít refrain...go for the boot. The arbitrary nature of booting people will be something I wonít miss when ST sinks below the waves.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
May 20, 2019 - 12:18pm PT
I was a sporadic contributor to the political forums but was also happy to adhere to climbing content only. I'm here because of climbing.

That said, and as Jim Suggests- Klimmer, I'll go first.

Fuk Trump and his carpetbagging family! His supporters are a bunch of Dunning-Kruger suffering dipshits who are supporting a narcissistic piece of sh!t at the peril of our country, environment and wellbeing! Richard, I'll see you in hell!!! Just kidding there...
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 20, 2019 - 12:48pm PT
Take care Contractor,lol.
Radical Rebirth

Trad climber
Texas
May 20, 2019 - 12:55pm PT
When you get to the point that you realize that you know nothing of the real truth of what is going on and that every media story is an attempt at manipulation and narrative you will no longer be a religious politard .

With every truth you try to distill out, you are trying to take into consideration as many variables as possible. Itís hard to see the truth even with our own reality and lives everyday. Always multiple ways to to view a reality and this becomes more and more apparent as we get older, wiser and less selfish and self-absorbed.

With media itís the opposite / one variable or a few variables are presented with many other distracting variables hidden or not reported. Always done to support or buttress an ongoing narrative and existing hive mind. And I donít even know if itís all about power anymore - seems to have become some deluded mess, mixed with ratings, personal vendetta, poor communication, ego, delusion, profits and virtue signaling.

Iíve read maybe three media stories in 4 years where bias, narrative and variables werenít obvious. Itís so easy to find bias now because both media extremest groups arenít even trying anymore to look accurate. As far as TV, I have no idea how anyone watches it anymore. But turning it off is akin to deprogramming from a cult. Your brain just starts seeing other things.

The radical leftists have lost a lot of games the last few years for good reason - but hold my drink!! Here comes the right wing nutters again with draconian womenís choice laws and maybe an Iran war. Our species is stupid. I saw realty in Madagascar and Africa that would make you vomit on a Tesla . Weíre destroying it all at faster rates and itís never going to stop.

And so it goes - back and forth extremists - politards along for the ride.
Be it religious, totalitarian, king, Rome, dictator or anyone of the ideologies all through history.
Youíre being manipulated.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2019 - 01:05pm PT
Hiya, Riley!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 20, 2019 - 02:36pm PT
Riles, join me in the Falklands, braj!
4000 human inhabitants and 20 times that in penguins!
How bad could it be?
We could establish a colony on S Georgia!
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 20, 2019 - 02:39pm PT
Really? This forum has ten days left and you want to go political?
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
May 20, 2019 - 02:58pm PT
You too Wilbeer!!!

Radical- Your excellent post: This is an example of why I'll miss the political discussions.

I'll also miss Richard's posts but I suppose I could read all 1,088 pages of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged when I'm feeling down.





madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 20, 2019 - 02:59pm PT
Richard, I'll see you in hell!!!

LOL... you go first! Tell me how the swimming is; I hear they've got heated pools.

:-)

Where, oh where ARE we going to banter fruitlessly? Oh the humanity.
John M

climber
May 20, 2019 - 03:05pm PT
I'll also miss Richard's posts but I suppose I could read all 1,088 pages of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged when I'm feeling down.

that was funny as all get out. Brutal.. but seriously made me laugh.

Sorry Richard, but it is funny.

I sure wish that we could figure out how to have decent discussions on politics. The occasional gibe is totally fine to me. Its the constant barrage that wears me out.

Ah well.. I learned a lot over the years here. Some of it was even useful. hahaha
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 20, 2019 - 03:22pm PT
I sure wish that we could figure out how to have decent discussions on politics.

That presupposes a requisite level of literacy and basic manners sorely lacking here.
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