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Levy
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 17, 2019 - 01:49pm PT
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I must express my dismay at the new format here in which images do not appear and you have to click on a link to view them(if still available). This ruins the flow of trip reports and other useful information that used to make this site great.
Now it sucks! Thanks for ruining this website, administrators & Chris. I for one will be a much more infrequent visitor to this site now.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:01pm PT
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+1.
Managing this site is clearly beyond RJ's pay grade.
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Ezra Ellis
Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:01pm PT
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+1
I really have appreciated this site.
I sincerely Thank Chris Mac for creating this place.
It seems like a sledge hammer has been used, where a scalpel seems more appropriate.
Many of my trip reports are almost unreadable, I have never posted a picture that wasn’t my own.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:04pm PT
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It is a little hard to figure out the new rules. Some photos remain, some have live links, some have dead links. I'm downloading the best threads and wish I had been doing so all along when they were complete with photos!
As many have noted, this is Chris' site, he can do what he wants and we can choose to participate or not.
But, it would be nice if he/the owners were a bit more transparent. In particular, when an announcement is made about new rules or a reminder of old rules, and 250 posts are made I response that include maybe 10 that have articulate requests for clarification, it would be nice to have responses to those requests!
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:36pm PT
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That's gotta change
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johntp
Trad climber
Punter
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:39pm PT
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But, it would be nice if he/the owners were a bit more transparent.
Would be nice if the hosts would let us know where this is headed. The lack of communication from the hosts leads to speculation. RJ has posted up a bit but in reality tells us nothing about where the forum is headed.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:59pm PT
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self destruction on the part of RJ and C mac. When DMT is gone you know you killed the goose that layed the golden egg....
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johntp
Trad climber
Punter
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Apr 17, 2019 - 03:06pm PT
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self destruction on the part of RJ and C mac.
Not quite right. CMac has many economic facets. The forum is a sideline. This forum probably cost him more than it is worth, both money and time.
If the forum evaporates, he won't take time to look back. You assume he cares about the forum. As I see it, the forum is a pain in the ass.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 17, 2019 - 03:13pm PT
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Tell me it's not true. They deleted Bachar's pictures?
Sacrilege.
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johntp
Trad climber
Punter
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Apr 17, 2019 - 03:31pm PT
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Tell me it's not true. They deleted Bachar's pictures?
Sacrilege.
Scorched earth.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 17, 2019 - 03:37pm PT
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It may not be economic self destruction but it certainly is blowing up an iconic forum that he created....
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 17, 2019 - 03:52pm PT
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It actually takes a ton of work to edit and contribute quality material to a site like this. DMT is one of the most respected voices on the internet. When DMT packs up and leaves you know you messed up bigtime....
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 17, 2019 - 03:54pm PT
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Could not agree more ,Tradman.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:55pm PT
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Super Chopo is slowly going down the tubes.
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throwpie
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Apr 17, 2019 - 05:13pm PT
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A few years ago I started the “old camp four etc photos” thread. It became a pretty groovy little deal for some of us old stuck-in-the-past geezers . Now I see that because Mouse got the chop all his photos have been disappeared. That sucks.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Apr 17, 2019 - 05:21pm PT
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"You assume he cares about the forum. As I see it, the forum is a pain in the ass."
That gets at the root of motivations.
It seems that our fearless leader didn't use the forum much himself in recent years,
instead putting their efforts into the gear review website, so why would they care about this forum?
In the first 15 years, CMac posted at an average rate of 269 times per year.
In the past 3.4 years, he posted at a rate of 56 times per year, only about 1/5 as much.
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klaus
Big Wall climber
6th and Mission
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Apr 17, 2019 - 05:25pm PT
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most of my photos are now gone even though I am the owner of them. I saw this coming years ago when you all said the internet is "forever"
Goodbye Supertopo
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RJ Spurrier
SuperTopo staff member
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Apr 17, 2019 - 06:04pm PT
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Ksolem:
Tell me it's not true. They deleted Bachar's pictures?
Don't believe the hype. No one deleted Bachar's pictures.
Bachar posted 2,582 times on SuperTopo.
He never uploaded a single image to SuperTopo.
He used the [img] tag instead and hotlinked to his images hosted elsewhere instead. They still work, just now with a link.
monolith:
You are misinformed. The article you linked to is out of date, even though it was a prominent view following Google's 2017 win on hotlinking. Subsequent 2018 case law decided that there is a separation between Google's particular hot-linking tactics as a search engine, which was ruled as protected from infringement, from the hot-linking/embedding of non-search engine sites such as news sites (and ST too) which are infringing when they display a hot-linked image (like our [img] tag used to function). I suspect that Yahoo and Gannett had some pretty smart lawyers, and yet they lost that battle. The likely cost in legal fees take on the good fight in hopes of overturning that ruling are daunting.
rj
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 06:13pm PT
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However, let us not forget about dominio publico {}
Something that has been overlooked around here.
Forrest conceded that embedding specific copyrighted content, including the Brady photo, might still be legal. She said there were “genuine questions” about whether Goldman’s Snapchat post effectively put his photo in the public domain, and that there’s “a very serious and strong fair use defense” for using the photo to illustrate a related story. But that kind of case-by-case judgment would be very different from — and more ambiguous than — the blanket protection of the server test.
Public domain, permission, gift, purchase, trade, barter, inheritance ...
Ownership "rights" accrue in many ways
I just stumbled on this thread after people complaining on picture removal on another thread. I posted a lot of copyrighted pictures that I had permission from owner to use and they have been deleted from my folder, I believe due to a drop in number of uploaded pictures.
I guess I better go delete some pictures.
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