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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 14, 2018 - 09:44pm PT
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Do the best rock climbers have above average spatial intelligence?
What's your thoughts on the subject? Do you think you have above average spatial awareness?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 14, 2018 - 09:57pm PT
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Do you think you have above average spatial awareness?
Maybe once upon a time. But since I lost an eye, going down has become a gumby operation.
Climbing or hiking up is just fine. Climbing or hiking down... Please god, give me a handrail!!!
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Dec 15, 2018 - 02:10am PT
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Above average for urbanized and comfortable consumers maybe.
I've done some other things that demand spatial intelligence and did well, but I'd say it was very learned, not innate.
I'd also say climbing doesn't rank all that high on the spatial intelligence spectrum anyway, even at a high level.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Dec 15, 2018 - 03:41am PT
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to the extent that terrain qualifies as spatial, likely so.
i doubt that a pegboard tests the theory. many sequences, even on deformed surfaces
wouldn't challenge someone who was a bit short of the stuff.
gifted climbers, as opposed to the population that can climb may have a little something extra going on,
best revealed by an aptitude for route finding/navigation skills and the mysterious HSR (hunch-success-rate)
but even bushwacking can test for that.
the subject's comfort level while performing above the scrutiny of lab coated psych majors
a tenuous inversion in the wildest bombay flare to gain the twisty stemming roof exit
or even whether such would be of interest to the specimen in question might require
a bit of spatial intelligence even as it confirms the lack of a whole array of
other functional processes deemed crucial to survival of the species
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 15, 2018 - 06:08am PT
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What do you think the wyde is all about?
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Dec 15, 2018 - 07:30am PT
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wyde: how to shinny up a pole that the spatially adept recognize by its absence
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Dec 15, 2018 - 08:29am PT
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Spatial intelligence is correlated with ability in math. There have been a fair number of climbers with a math / physics background.
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pb
Sport climber
Sonora Ca
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Dec 15, 2018 - 08:32am PT
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Spatial intelligence might be more helpful finding one's way around in the back-country. Cognitive load is also interesting, in respect to older climbers and balance.
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Trump
climber
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Dec 15, 2018 - 08:49am PT
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Me? Sure, I’m way above average in just about everything. We Jews are the chosen people, so, well, there’s that. I was just born that way.
Climbers in general? Hard to say. Definitely I’d say we’re way above average in physical attractiveness.
One of my thoughts on the topic is that humans in general, with our self-absorbed and self-confirming psychology of survival, are way above average in overestimating our own and own own tribe’s relationship to average, so wherever we rank ourselves, we might take it with a grain of salt. Here in Lake Wobegon, none of us are subject to illusory superiority, or so it seems to us.
You can believe that coming from me though! I just took a Facebook test that said I was way above average in intelligence. I think they’ve done some studies on the relationship between taking those tests and narcissism, but I prefer my own assessment of the situation. Me, being one of be chosen people and all.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Dec 15, 2018 - 08:54am PT
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As it relates to climbing, there seem to be two types of spatial intelligence: the first is visualizing space and rock you cannot see. This depends on knowledge of the local topography and calculating what's most likely. This is a macro skill. The second, micro skill, is visualization of one's body relative to specific hokds. I can imagine that one can have the first, macro, skill without the second. But I'd guess the second, micro, skill is a higher order of the first. Does any one a climber who can visualize move sequences but has no sense of direction?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 15, 2018 - 09:25am PT
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There are different kinds of visualization. Macro and micro, but I have another perspective as well. Or maybe they're the same thing in different situations?
One is a form of rehearsal. For example a boulderer standing at the base of a problem rehearsing a sequence, hands moving in the air, a foot stepping up, etc.
Another happens in real time as the action is happening. You see yourself making a move, reaching and locking off a hold or some such thing, as you do it. This is the “on the outside looking in,” or the “in the zone” experience. I think it’s a prerequisite for hard rock climbing.
I’m not sure what spatial intelligence is, but that’s my o2.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 15, 2018 - 10:14am PT
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The spatial intelligence bar is set by fighter pilots, and it is set quickly. Imagine pulling a
6 or 7 G turn and twisting yer head around to look for the bad guy on yer 6.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Dec 15, 2018 - 10:48am PT
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I once read that air traffic controller candidates were first tested for their ability to see 3D from 2D plots. If they did not have this ability, they were not considered. In my current business, we have fabricators who have to build mirror images from a single print. Many otherwise good craftsmen can't do this. I think I read 15-20 percent of the population simply cannot see 3D in 2D. This must have something to do with spatial reasoning.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 15, 2018 - 10:51am PT
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And people commonly tend to overestimate their own intelligence.
Yes, and research shows that this tendency increases among people who are angry a lot of the time.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 15, 2018 - 11:38am PT
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Well, a more prosaic explanation of wyde adepts would be they lack an amygdala, at the least.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 15, 2018 - 07:49pm PT
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Does any one a climber who can visualize move sequences but has no sense of direction?
Like climb intricate, technical 5.13 sequences, but can’t do the same approach twice? ... yeah maybe....
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2018 - 08:10pm PT
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Thanks for all the interesting feedback everybody.
I guess I've thought of bodily-kinesthetic intelligence and spatial intelligence as one and the same, but i can see now that they are not. I should have did my homework first. Visualizing space one cannot see is an interesting concept. This seems to be on an intuitive level.
I've often thought that I was strong in the spatial intelligence and bodily-kinesthetic intelligence, while somewhat lacking in the other intelligences, I suspect. My intuitive powers seem up to par, as well. As I've gotten older, my sense of balance doesn't seem up to par anymore. Now I have to think about such things as cognitive load. Oh no!
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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Dec 15, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
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Those deficient in the intelligences peoples like me are just happy to have good spacial awarenesses...feels kinda like this:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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Dec 16, 2018 - 08:34am PT
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Naturally yes they do however, this is before the external chemicals takes over the Intelligence
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 16, 2018 - 08:41am PT
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Anybody who drives in LaLa Land and is at all objective and honest can only conclude that
most people have little or no spatial intelligence, or any other form of it.
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