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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Dec 11, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
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Read it. A bit harsh and overwrought. Identity seems more and more superfluous in a state with 30 million and a country with 300 million. Everyone is more than their cultural identity. Humans have always oppressed one another and certainly not just white men. Time to let it all go and move forward. It's just too late to give it all back. At this point fair is not necessarily fair.
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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Dec 11, 2018 - 05:36pm PT
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I made it to Peter Pan Syndrome.
Have not seen Free Solo myself, but I think she's probably being too critical.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Dec 11, 2018 - 05:44pm PT
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Her writing focuses on detaching from the commitment to the construct of Whiteness.
And with that I'll be shuffling off now to better uses of my time.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 11, 2018 - 05:44pm PT
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It's a pretty lengthy screed; could not get very far.
Well, I read it from beginning to end. All 6,300 words.
It's underlying message is that, throughout history, everyone other than white males, has been run over by the battle-tank of the often-violent white male patriarchy. And, therefor, modern climbers are all misogynistic racist as#@&%es whose climbing is nothing more that a perpetuation of the horrific culture in which they were raised.
In which there is some truth. Well except maybe for the climbing part.
But it also reminded me of the US Democratic Party's response to Donald Trump's white male supremacist demands to build a wall to keep out the Mexican rapists.
"Donald Trump is an inhuman racist who gets a boner seeing brown babies ripped from their mother's arms."
"Well, yes, that's probably true. So how would you deal with the problem of illegal immigration?"
"You have to vote for us, so that we can get rid of that racist Trump."
"Okay, yes, Trump is a blot on the political landscape, and I agree, we'd be better off without him. But what do you think we should do to deal with the problem of illegal immigration?"
"That's easy, vote out Trump and his racist cronies."
"But, but... Once you're in charge, how would _you_ deal with the problem of illegal immigration?"
"Trump is a racist as#@&%e!"
In other words, while the problem Erin Monahan points to may be at least partly real, she offers nothing at all toward its solution. Perhaps, if she wrote a follow-up piece that wasn't 6,000 words of "all white men are as#@&%es", there would be something to talk about.
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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Dec 11, 2018 - 05:52pm PT
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Wow, talk about having issues.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 11, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
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So I read it…
Alex has done more good with his foundation than she ever will. And she disses him for "funneling" money into the Tides Foundation. No mention that he contributes 1/3 of his income…
Tides Foundation is an umbrella organization which takes in smaller organizations which can then operate under Tide’s 501.c3 non-profit status. Typically, such organizations take 10% of the sponsored groups donations, in exchange providing accounting and legal services and other needs.
I served as a board member for a small organization which operated under the non-profit umbrella of a similar foundation, the Earth Island Institute (founded by David Brower.) The 10% take was well worth it to us, as they handled all of our accounting and legal needs (for less $ and much less hassle than were we to handle them ourselves.) Foundations like these have to hire experienced professionals, the groups operating under their umbrella depend on these foundations for their survival. It is imperative that they are competent. These people do not come for free. Her claim about inequality in this regard is simply B.S. A quick look at Honnold Foundation’s website shows that the board members are top notch individuals. I’d bet my shorts that they looked hard at various non-profit sponsors and chose well.
Also, she needs to get a sense of humor and some basic perspective. For example, taking the "human slave" remark seriously, and holding it up as an example of abuse in a relationship is, IMO, a real stretch. The context of Alex being injured matters. My marriage is as non-abusive as such a relationship can be, but my God, I can only imagine what her take-away would be if she hung out and listened to our conversations for an evening (having met Barbara the OP probably gets what I mean😊.)
Her thoughts on Honnold needing armor, and comparing that to the needs of Olympic athletes is just plain stupid. As Tommy says in the film, what Honnold planned to do was the equivalent of winning the Gold Medal, under penalty of death for failure. Last time I looked, Olympians weren’t thrown off a cliff for failure.
And I'm sorry, but the bit about it being nice to have a girlfriend in the van IS funny. But then again I'm just another privileged toxic white male, so what value can my opinion possibly have?
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 11, 2018 - 06:17pm PT
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If you study history more closely, you find that bad behavior is spread around all the races and groups. The surrounding tribes of Indians referred to the ones living in Yosemite as "killers." Will Durant called the Islamic invasion of India "the bloodiest genocide in modern history". It lasted about 400 years, with an estimated 80 million victims. The recent genocide in Rwanda was black-on-black; The Hutus slaughtering nearly a million Tutsis with guns, knives and machetes. If you take this stuff and compare it to the excesses of the British Empire, the Brits seem downright tame by comparison. As an utterly horrible blond haired, exploiting white man with privilege, all I can say is that we could be worse.
The real offending group is not white males, but males of our species in general,between the ages of 18-40. After 40, most of us begin to get paunchy and have bad knees.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Dec 11, 2018 - 06:23pm PT
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Sounds like she may have trouble getting a date and is angry about it. (Did I say that?)
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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Dec 11, 2018 - 06:34pm PT
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Barely-veiled feminism ( My Mom is one, so I recognize the pattern), followed by cultural appropriation narrowed to one guy - who is doing great things with the Honnold Foundation, BTW.
It is one of the narrowest perspectives I have read in a while - hard to get through.
But, you go Girl. I am just a testosterone-ridden white male indiginous-culture-crusher - what do I know?
LOL - kinda...
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Dec 11, 2018 - 06:42pm PT
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Sigh...
There are so many things wrong with this read. No, I didn't read the whole thing - there is so much I disagree with that I could only skim it (every time I tried to read more than a few paragraphs it was like wtf and I then jumped forward hoping to find some sort of goodness in this).
I'll leave you with this quote from her writings
"When I started rock climbing, I didn’t know, or rather didn’t want to admit, that I was participating in a recreational activity made accessible to me solely due to the fact that my ancestors violently built the world we see now"
So her ancestors violently built the mountains and cliffs in the world? She is the daughter of gods then right?
I know I'm going to get a bunch of crap for this but here's what I took away from her gibberish
1) She secretly wants to hop in the sack with Alex
2) She desperately needs to hop in the sack with someone, anyone, anything
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
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Dec 11, 2018 - 06:44pm PT
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"The real offending group is not white males, but males of our species in general,between the ages of 18-40. After 40, most of us begin to get paunchy and have bad knees."
Almost.
Males between 15 and 40 are the source of most all violence problems (though males over 40 become the generals and leaders who send the youngsters into battle).
But Testosterone is the culprit. Its level in males declines after 40 years of age.
I've often speculated that all violent criminals (rapists, armed robbers, murders of strangers) need to be incarcerated until their testosterone levels drop, i.e. until age 40. After that, the riskiness of said individuals goes way down.
Thus, this title's thread should be rewritten to read "epidemic of toxic testosteronality. *
* Did I just invent a useful new word?
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Dec 11, 2018 - 06:59pm PT
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Double sigh...
I poked around the site the OP used and came to the following conclusion - Erin M hates white peeps.
There are probably a lot of replacewiththeword(s)ofyourchoice quotes to choose from her writings but here's the first one I found (pretty easily BTW). At least her writings have a theme!
"To call “American culture” anything but White supremacist and patriarchal is false. "
I think I'll just leave you with that.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Dec 11, 2018 - 07:16pm PT
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When I have free time I make a point of reading things that I will probably disagree with so I just read the whole virtue signal. I mean article.
Though the violence Rodgers committed isn’t the same as the emotional abuse that Honnold employs, there are interwoven threads. The messages that both of these individuals received is that they are permitted, even entitled, to act in these harmful ways. Comparing Honnold to a mass murderer pretty much sums it up.
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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Dec 11, 2018 - 07:17pm PT
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Don't get me wrong, I think women and natives would do a hell of a lot better job in the governmental aspects of our culture than old white men.
We are probably all getting sick of it (Old White Male dominance) at this point - but radical feminism with native-american heavy-guilt (from a white woman?) - aimed at a pretty good guy with great skills (and a great foundation that serves many) - is not the best approach...this whole thing smacks of a classic reaction-inducing emotional response that serves no reasonable approach.
The sh#t sells, though - sad it has spilled over into a often-joyous physical endeavor.
Portland Oregon. What do you expect? The Pacific Northwesterners have a particular ability in this regard.
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Jeffrey VanMiddlebrook
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Dec 11, 2018 - 07:20pm PT
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Just more cerebral flatulence disguised as something worthy to waste one's precious life reading. Steinbeck said it best: "The written word can make a sane man seem insane and an insane man seem sane." Basically it comes down to sophistic nonsense, speciousness masquerading as truth.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:36pm PT
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Haven't you made it as a cultural icon when you become the prism that refracts everyone's view.
I don't want to be dismissive, but the world is obviously more complicated than any one perspective. I didn't read all of her writing, but it seemed to be a feminist take on world history. Another examination of a touchstone accomplishment in climbing.
My 2 cents. Honnold is kind of in his own world. Lucky are those who share a part of it. He seems pretty genuine, not much of a taker.
Undoubtedly, climbers can be jerks, but in my experience, less so than many other user groups. Maybe better, I can take the minimum, and simply say, "I hear you. May be?"
edit: don't make them crusty old guys play their Todd Gordon card
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yosguns
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:37pm PT
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Keeping my mouth shut.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
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come on. there are some here that appreciate uppity women. even if we can't keep up, ahem.... anymore. youth is wasted on the young.
edit: I've been asked if I was a pillow biter, out of the blue. Seen a climbing clique or two. Undoubtedly, some ugliness, but maybe like werner professes, that ain't it. Hope you find some goodness, even if it means going solo in the hills.
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