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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 5, 2018 - 06:39am PT
Most new ranch owners in the west made their money elsewhere and buy ranches more for their trout and elk than for their cattle raising capabilities.
As property values rise ranching, already a marginal business, simply becomes economically unsustainable.
While I cringe at the idea of the ďgentleman rancher,Ē I do think the trend is inevitable and good from an environmental standpoint.
The Nature Conservancy is also a big factor in new ranch ownership...the Dugout Ranch in Indian Creek is an example.
The future looks better for elk and pronghorn than it does for cattle which I think is a good thing.
couchmaster

climber
Nov 5, 2018 - 06:45am PT


Ted Turner all but got a bunch of small towns ghosted buying up farms in the upper midwest. 2 million acres in 12 states and Argentina as well). Not necessarily a bad thing. Or a good thing, lots of variables. Now the bison run free and the land has come back (original grasses etc). Be interesting to see if Turner gifts it to the country as a conservation area when he passes or if it will get broken up into multiple farms again.

https://www.businessinsider.com/biggest-landowners-america
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2018 - 06:49am PT
That area has been depopulating for quite some time and the trend is likely to continue...you simply canít keep them down on the farm when the fun and fortune allure of urban areas is so strong.
maldaly

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 5, 2018 - 07:46am PT
Donít forget You von Choiunardís buffalo ranch in Sout Dakota. Check it out and order your meat from them.

https://wildideabuffalo.com/

I did.
Mal
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 5, 2018 - 07:51am PT
Credit: HermitMaster
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 5, 2018 - 07:53am PT
I think it is a great thing, especially if you keep the riffraff, like this guy, out and away from the climbing rocks, refuse other rec user groups, focus on thinning timber so animals are easier to spot for to kill, etc. (/sarcasm)
Credit: thebravecowboy


hermit master obviously does not often need to acquire drinking water from the same sources that the cattle are stamping into cowpie muckpits. maybe city folks are just silk-tummied lilywhites, wanting good water left relatively good, but then....
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 5, 2018 - 07:59am PT
.you simply canít keep them down on the farm when the fun and fortune allure of urban areas is so strong.

You need look no further than the vanishing family farms across the United States. This has happened due to any number of factors, including demand for cheap food (driven by falling wages since the 1970s), government subsidies for big agribusiness that fuel factory farming as opposed to traditional family farms, and general apathy amongst the American people.

John Mellencamp - Rain On The Scarecrow

Lyrics
Scarecrow on a wooden cross blackbird in the barn
Four hundred empty acres that used to be my farm
I grew up like my daddy did my grandpa cleared this land
When I was five I walked the fence while grandpa held my hand
[Chorus]
Rain on the scarecrow blood on the plow
This land fed a nation this land made me proud
And son I'm just sorry theres no legacy for you now
Rain on the scarecrow blood on the plow
Rain on the scarecrow blood on the plow

The crops we grew last summer weren't enough to pay the loans
Couldn't buy the seed to plant this spring and the farmers bank foreclosed
Called my old friend schepman up to auction off the land
He said john its just my job and I hope you understand
Hey calling it your job ol hoss sure dont make it right
But if you want me to Ill say a prayer for your soul tonight
And grandmas on the front porch swing with a
Bible in her hand Sometimes I hear her singing take me to the promised land
When you take away a mans dignity he cant work his fields and cows
There'll be blood on the scarecrow blood on the plow
Blood on the scarecrow blood on the plow
Well there's ninety-seven crosses planted in the courthouse yard
Ninety-seven families who lost ninety-seven farms
I think about my grandpa and my neighbors and my name and some nights
I feel like dying like that scarecrow in the rain
[Chorus]
Rain on the scarecrow blood on the plow
This land fed a nation this land made me so proud
And son I'm just sorry they're just memories for you now
Rain on the scarecrow blood on the plow
Rain on the scarecrow blood on the plow
Jim Clipper

climber
Nov 5, 2018 - 08:05am PT
Someone here must know him. Ask Yvon to allow traditional bison hunts in his herd, a la the Maasai. It might help keep the buffalo hard,... stretch their legs once in a while. I'd buy a ticket to see it happen. Until then, I may be another upper middle class white person, tasting me some bison, maybe at best, eating my heart out.

(Edit: I'm sure Yvon has thought of the buffalo peoples. He seems kind of trad, but still, it could be rad.)






Do it!!!



Edit, edit: please
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Nov 5, 2018 - 08:06am PT
^^^ from the wildideabuffalo blog
Credit: jill o'brien
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2018 - 08:06am PT
HermitMaster....I have a different take on urban areas. Personally, I think the more urbinization the better off the planet is. Population growth is inevitable but where you put all those people isnít.
China has the worldís largest population living in an area slightly smaller than the US. In recent years there has been a massive population shift from the country to cities. In the outskirts of Bejing and Shanghai there are hundreds of high rise apatment buildings. Even with a growing population the countryside is losing people leaving more room for the animals we share this planet with.
If youíre going to have a lot of people, stack them on top of each other rather than spreading them out. Our species of ďintellegent apeĒ seems to like it that way...gives them more opportunity to get lucky.
Jim Clipper

climber
Nov 5, 2018 - 08:18am PT
If I was native, if I had any stones, I'd poach the sh#t out of one of his buffalo. Take the meat to people in need, maybe leave behind some of the best bits...just for the chance to meet the owner.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 5, 2018 - 08:21am PT
I bet you'd have a good chance at meeting the owner's lawyers doing something like that...
Keith Reed

climber
Johnson county TX
Nov 5, 2018 - 08:29am PT
This happened a few weeks back. I expect a couple of large riverview mansions in the area soon.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2018/09/26/private-landowner-posts/

Iím generally against this kind of thing.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Nov 5, 2018 - 08:33am PT
You need look no further than the vanishing family farms across the United States. This has happened due to any number of factors, including demand for cheap food (driven by falling wages since the 1970s), government subsidies for big agribusiness that fuel factory farming as opposed to traditional family farms, and general apathy amongst the American people.

government subsidies for big agribusiness that fuel factory farming
this

ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Nov 5, 2018 - 08:34am PT
Personally, I think the more urbinization the better off the planet is.


Jim, spot on. I believe saturation to be one of our greatest woes in civilization. So basically ruin just a little bit of EVERYTHING. Better to keep the bulk of it all concentrated.

Arne
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 5, 2018 - 08:51am PT
Nice meme hermit, but ignores the actual facts, urban dwellers per capita use less energy than rural dwellers. One can live more efficiently in a big city.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
Nov 5, 2018 - 09:00am PT
I got to jump in here with my two cents... I know many wealthy landowners that have done fantastic thing for wildlife around the world. Many due it to turn a profit (that is fine) others spend the money to simply help out their passions and don't make money off it.

My father has purchased several properties just to improve wildlife habitat. We make no money on them, but it is his passion to keep these areas away from developers. The Feds ,state and various groups often visit to gain knowledge on issues they are working on public lands.

He is approaching 80 years old. His love of wildlife and trees, I believe has helped many critters. The problem is we both love the trees so much we hate to cut them. Property taxes have to be paid.

That said, I don't have the money to finance his goodwill when he passes, and worry about the decisions I will have to make.
Trump

climber
Nov 5, 2018 - 09:05am PT
I guess itís healthy, I guess the air is clean.
I guess those people have fun with their neighbors and friends.
Look at that kitchen and all of that food.
Look at them eat it guess it tastes real good.

And I have learned how to look at these things.

A straight line exists between me and the good things.
I have found the line and itís direction is known to me.
Absolute trust keeps me going in the right direction.
Any intrusion is met with a heart full of the good thing.

A good thing? We all see our straight line as a good thing. The elk and pronghorn might see all the humans, with our hearts full of the good thing, being dead as a good thing, but thatís not the straight line I prefer to see with my human way of looking at things. I expect climate change is gonna jumble up all those straight lines anyway.

Sure, agreed, take away my steaks but leave me the birds and the bees is the straight lined way that Iíve learned to look at these things too. Coincidentally, I expect that Iíll be one of the ones who gets to enjoy those birds and bees.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 5, 2018 - 09:07am PT
One can live more efficiently in a big city.

Possibly, but at the expense of ones quality of life and mental health?
I could never again be happy living in an urban environment, the pace, stress, confinement, crowds and traffic would drive me insane.
To each their own,
gimme the rural life! :)




mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 5, 2018 - 09:21am PT
Was not young Yovon involved in poaching a deer in the Tetons?

It's dirtbag lore and recounted in either Camp 4 or RR's bio.

I spent the summer with the fishing guide brother who had two outdoors channels on most of the time. Lots of places cater to hunters who come to bowshoot deer on private land. Good idea, economically.

You can't hardly make it farming the land anymore, so you can't blame the owners for wanting to "make a buck."
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