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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 26, 2018 - 10:22pm PT
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Got this today:
Notice for Draft EIS 45-day Comment Period
Williamson Rock/Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail Project
The Draft Environmental Impact Statement (Draft EIS) for the Williamson Rock Project is now available for public review and comment. The project is intended to better manage the recreation use and balance of the needs for resource protection.
The Draft EIS analyzes the environmental consequences of four alternatives. Documents are available on the Angeles National Forest’s project webpage at: https://www.fs.usda.gov/project/?project=43405
Public meetings will be held on August 9, and 11, 2018.
This project is subject to 36 CFR 218 for objection/administrative review. Only those who submit project-specific written comments during a public comment period are eligible to file an objection. Individuals or representatives of an entity submitting comments must sign them or verify identity upon request.
Comment due date is September 10, 2018
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jul 29, 2018 - 08:32am PT
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xCon, thats true but they were mostly the cheapest half inch we could buy back then. Some Rawl 5 piece but mostly the cheap half inch sleeved Red Heads. Still they should be fine but I wished we had the stainless stuff back then.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 30, 2018 - 07:28pm PT
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It'd be nice if they'd tell us where the meetings are to be held and what time.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jul 30, 2018 - 08:34pm PT
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Its on the link Tony, I am trying to make it to the meeting at the NFS Headquarters on Santa Anita in Arcadia, August 11 from 1pm-3pm
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jul 30, 2018 - 10:50pm PT
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Sent my comments in.
OPEN OPEN OPEN
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jul 31, 2018 - 05:41am PT
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Holy Moley^ Tony Bird sighting!^
Williamson? Nothing to see there...move along... best to let it languor in obscurity. ;)
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rurprider
Trad climber
Mt. Rubidoux
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Jul 31, 2018 - 08:33am PT
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^^^Holey Moley, another Skip Vasquez comment^^^ Nothing new here.
Much whining, but no action. How about joining the team and supporting the reopening of Williamson Rock, Skip?
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Jul 31, 2018 - 12:24pm PT
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Looking at their adaptive plan most of the best climbing would be closed. Since there is an active peregrin nest that will need to be monitored and if they fail to have the funds to do so (most likely scenario) they will choose to keep things closed as long as possible so there will never be climbing before August.
I think they should just leave it closed. I really enjoy the quiet and solitude available down there and if they open it they will start having people monitoring it and we won't ever be able to climb at the London Wall again.
Yes, I am a selfish, law breaking person.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jul 31, 2018 - 12:55pm PT
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They are already monitoring you.
Violators are why they think strict measures are needed.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Jul 31, 2018 - 01:11pm PT
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They don't even know if there are raptors there so they sure as hell haven't ever seen me there.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Jul 31, 2018 - 02:03pm PT
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^^^^
Unfortunately, they have observed climbers violating the closure on many occasions (fortunately this has been only a few offenders).
Still, this activity has damaged climbers' credibility to self regulate. As a result, it has made it more difficult to negotiate a re-opening (and the terms of a re-opening).
There are perhaps half a dozen good routes that will be permanently closed (on the London Wall). Seems a small price to pay for access to most of the rest of the area. Even this proposal will see push back from some people.
But, to my mind (as someone who has climbed extensively at Williamson), this proposal is way better than the alternative, and represents a reasonable balance between preservation and recreation.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jul 31, 2018 - 05:22pm PT
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The ANF doesn't really care, they have removed all signage, all No Parking signs are gone as well as the signs saying no entry and no climbing, the signs have been gone for well over a year. Not saying to go climb there just saying that this wasn't their battle to begin with and if they had their way it would never have closed. I spoke with a ranger a few months back about the closure and he didn't even realize it was still closed.
I will relate something strange that happened to me several years ago when I went in there climbing during a lapse in the closure. We were climbing down at the Stream Wall and noticed several car oil filters dumped in the stream bed, there was no water in the stream at the time. After we finished climbing we cleaned up the trash and started carrying it out. About halfway up the ridge we came upon guy and a girl who were hiking down the ridge and they immediately asked us if we were climbers, it was pretty obvious we were. I asked if they had ever been down there before and the girl said no. As we parted ways the girl commented that she knew we had dumped the oil in the stream and she would be reporting us. We just shrugged and continued on out. My thought was they planted the oil filters there to show ANF that climbers were littering the stream bed. My second thought was why in the hell would someone carry oil filters that far just to make a point, and why oil filters? It was a strange day.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 31, 2018 - 05:26pm PT
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Yeah, I always pack my oil filters out into the Nat Forest so Earth First! people can find them.
Batrock, why didn’t you ask them if they were born stoopid and sleazy?
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jul 31, 2018 - 05:41pm PT
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The last lapse in the closure I watched a guy dressed in full Tactical gear take a sliding 75 foot fall down the rocks on the ridge approach where in traverses the cliffy section before dropping into the canyon. I spoke with him briefly on the road and he looked like a Ricky Rescue SAR wannabe. He looked unsure on his feet on the road so I stopped on the road to watch him negotiate the traverse. Sure enough he slipped and took a long bruising slide knocking down some big rocks along the way. Before I started to go help I sat and watched for a few minutes, after some time he got up and slowly made his way back up. The ANF never fails to entertain.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jul 31, 2018 - 08:14pm PT
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Rurp totally misses the joke as usual. Lighten up for crissakes.
FYI: Every time this has come up for public review - i've written a letter... not that I should have to defend against the usual false accusations coming from (insert name of any L.A. climber *here*)....yet here we are again.
PS: Happy to see Tony pipe in. I miss his input.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Jul 31, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
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Oh, Skippy is trying to save her aZZ here, no worries, the only wall she can crag at willy will be closed.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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this
Unfortunately, they have observed climbers violating the closure on many occasions (fortunately this has been only a few offenders).
Still, this activity has damaged climbers' credibility to self regulate. As a result, it has made it more difficult to negotiate a re-opening (and the terms of a re-opening).
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Hard to be gangsta when yer body is suburbanite. 😉
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Sewellymon, I talked to said Williamson slip and fall guy a week ago, I was surprised to find out nobody said boo to him about being in a closed area. He was hoisted out to the road and elected to have his partner drive him to the hospital.
I haven't been in there since the last lapse in the closure notice which normally happens for a few weeks every year. This latest closure notice however was not the usual one year closure, I think they made it a 2 or 3 year closure which eliminates any lapse time each year. I'll be at the meeting on the 11th at the Arcadia office. Lets get some people out to show some support.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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It'd be nice if they'd tell us where the meetings are to be held and what time.
I found this.
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