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Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 26, 2018 - 10:22pm PT
Got this today:

Notice for Draft EIS 45-day Comment Period

Williamson Rock/Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail Project

The Draft Environmental Impact Statement (Draft EIS) for the Williamson Rock Project is now available for public review and comment. The project is intended to better manage the recreation use and balance of the needs for resource protection.

The Draft EIS analyzes the environmental consequences of four alternatives. Documents are available on the Angeles National Forestís project webpage at: https://www.fs.usda.gov/project/?project=43405

Public meetings will be held on August 9, and 11, 2018.

This project is subject to 36 CFR 218 for objection/administrative review. Only those who submit project-specific written comments during a public comment period are eligible to file an objection. Individuals or representatives of an entity submitting comments must sign them or verify identity upon request.

Comment due date is September 10, 2018

xCon

Social climber
909
Jul 29, 2018 - 05:53am PT
whats cool is the developers mostly used 1/2 bolts so it will be relatively safe to jump back into climbing even after all this time...
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Jul 29, 2018 - 08:32am PT
xCon, thats true but they were mostly the cheapest half inch we could buy back then. Some Rawl 5 piece but mostly the cheap half inch sleeved Red Heads. Still they should be fine but I wished we had the stainless stuff back then.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jul 30, 2018 - 07:28pm PT
It'd be nice if they'd tell us where the meetings are to be held and what time.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Jul 30, 2018 - 08:34pm PT
Its on the link Tony, I am trying to make it to the meeting at the NFS Headquarters on Santa Anita in Arcadia, August 11 from 1pm-3pm
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Jul 30, 2018 - 10:50pm PT
Sent my comments in.

OPEN OPEN OPEN
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Jul 31, 2018 - 05:41am PT
Holy Moley^ Tony Bird sighting!^

Williamson? Nothing to see there...move along... best to let it languor in obscurity. ;)
rurprider

Trad climber
Mt. Rubidoux
Jul 31, 2018 - 08:33am PT
^^^Holey Moley, another Skip Vasquez comment^^^ Nothing new here.
Much whining, but no action. How about joining the team and supporting the reopening of Williamson Rock, Skip?

G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Jul 31, 2018 - 12:24pm PT
Looking at their adaptive plan most of the best climbing would be closed. Since there is an active peregrin nest that will need to be monitored and if they fail to have the funds to do so (most likely scenario) they will choose to keep things closed as long as possible so there will never be climbing before August.

I think they should just leave it closed. I really enjoy the quiet and solitude available down there and if they open it they will start having people monitoring it and we won't ever be able to climb at the London Wall again.

Yes, I am a selfish, law breaking person.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jul 31, 2018 - 12:55pm PT
They are already monitoring you.
Violators are why they think strict measures are needed.
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Jul 31, 2018 - 01:11pm PT
They don't even know if there are raptors there so they sure as hell haven't ever seen me there.
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
Jul 31, 2018 - 02:03pm PT
^^^^
Unfortunately, they have observed climbers violating the closure on many occasions (fortunately this has been only a few offenders).

Still, this activity has damaged climbers' credibility to self regulate. As a result, it has made it more difficult to negotiate a re-opening (and the terms of a re-opening).

There are perhaps half a dozen good routes that will be permanently closed (on the London Wall). Seems a small price to pay for access to most of the rest of the area. Even this proposal will see push back from some people.

But, to my mind (as someone who has climbed extensively at Williamson), this proposal is way better than the alternative, and represents a reasonable balance between preservation and recreation.

Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Jul 31, 2018 - 05:22pm PT
The ANF doesn't really care, they have removed all signage, all No Parking signs are gone as well as the signs saying no entry and no climbing, the signs have been gone for well over a year. Not saying to go climb there just saying that this wasn't their battle to begin with and if they had their way it would never have closed. I spoke with a ranger a few months back about the closure and he didn't even realize it was still closed.

I will relate something strange that happened to me several years ago when I went in there climbing during a lapse in the closure. We were climbing down at the Stream Wall and noticed several car oil filters dumped in the stream bed, there was no water in the stream at the time. After we finished climbing we cleaned up the trash and started carrying it out. About halfway up the ridge we came upon guy and a girl who were hiking down the ridge and they immediately asked us if we were climbers, it was pretty obvious we were. I asked if they had ever been down there before and the girl said no. As we parted ways the girl commented that she knew we had dumped the oil in the stream and she would be reporting us. We just shrugged and continued on out. My thought was they planted the oil filters there to show ANF that climbers were littering the stream bed. My second thought was why in the hell would someone carry oil filters that far just to make a point, and why oil filters? It was a strange day.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 31, 2018 - 05:26pm PT
Yeah, I always pack my oil filters out into the Nat Forest so Earth First! people can find them.
Batrock, why didnít you ask them if they were born stoopid and sleazy?
xCon

Social climber
909
Jul 31, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
that's definitely a weird one!

did here eyes glow at any point?
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Jul 31, 2018 - 05:41pm PT
The last lapse in the closure I watched a guy dressed in full Tactical gear take a sliding 75 foot fall down the rocks on the ridge approach where in traverses the cliffy section before dropping into the canyon. I spoke with him briefly on the road and he looked like a Ricky Rescue SAR wannabe. He looked unsure on his feet on the road so I stopped on the road to watch him negotiate the traverse. Sure enough he slipped and took a long bruising slide knocking down some big rocks along the way. Before I started to go help I sat and watched for a few minutes, after some time he got up and slowly made his way back up. The ANF never fails to entertain.
xCon

Social climber
909
Jul 31, 2018 - 06:02pm PT
its nice you can usually hear them coming long before you see them but id vote for a law making all the 'full tactical' aficionados wear a long whip antenna with flag just like your dune buggy has to have if your gonna drive about the dunes...


justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Jul 31, 2018 - 08:14pm PT
Rurp totally misses the joke as usual. Lighten up for crissakes.

FYI: Every time this has come up for public review - i've written a letter... not that I should have to defend against the usual false accusations coming from (insert name of any L.A. climber *here*)....yet here we are again.

PS: Happy to see Tony pipe in. I miss his input.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Jul 31, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
Oh, Skippy is trying to save her aZZ here, no worries, the only wall she can crag at willy will be closed.
xCon

Social climber
909
Jul 31, 2018 - 09:42pm PT
they could just net the streambeds...

determine what height above average peak flow you string them depends on how many jobs your anticipate needing to create in the future

committee as per mesh size of course...
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