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Ghost
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A long way from where I started
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 12, 2018 - 08:24pm PT
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Many of you probably saw the news last week that a young man in Toronto had, over the course of almost a mile, killed ten people and injured fourteen more by driving into them with a van.
My first thought, probably the same for most of you, was that it was yet another act of religious/political terrorism.
But no. It's Incel terrorism.
Incel? WTF is "Incel"? Read on (from The Economist). This is beyond bizarre.
An involuntary celibate goes on a killing spree in Canada:
A mass murderer draws attention to a woman-hating subculture
HIS classmates thought he was harmless. But on the afternoon of April 23rd Alek Minassian, a 25-year-old computer programmer from Toronto, drove a van into lunchtime strollers, careering along for more than a kilometre, killing ten and injuring 14 others. His aim, apparently, was to murder women, because women would not have sex with him.
Beforehand, Mr Minassian posted a message on Facebook proclaiming: “The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all Chads and Stacys! All hail Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!” Canadians googled furiously to find out what this might mean.
They found that “incel” is short for involuntarily celibate. Members of this movement are furious that women (sometimes referred to as “Stacys”) won’t sleep with them. They also resent “Chads” (men who find it easy to get sex). They mostly confine themselves to grumbling in online chat-rooms. Some swap alarming fantasies of “revenge” through rape. A few idolise Elliot Rodger, who slaughtered six people during a misogynistic murder spree near the campus of the University of California, Santa Barbara, before killing himself.
Mr Minassian’s victims were predominantly women, of all ages. He was arrested unharmed, after he tried to goad a police officer to shoot him in the head. Within hours, Canada’s federal public-safety minister, Ralph Goodale, declared that the attack posed no threat to national security. The Toronto police said they had no previous record of the suspect, who was charged with ten counts of murder and 13 of attempted murder.
Acquaintances of Mr Minassian said he was awkward around women and kept repeating that he was frightened of them. Perhaps because of his emotional disorders, he took seven years to complete a computing degree. He briefly enrolled in the Canadian army last year, but left two weeks into a four-month basic course, before he had been trained in weapons. Unlike the perpetrators of some recent terrorist attacks in Canada, Mr Minassian had no links with jihadism.
He is not Canada’s first woman-hating mass killer. Back in 1989, a man called Marc Lépine entered an engineering college in Montreal and shot and killed 14 women, after separating them from men, before killing himself. That prompted the government of the time to set up a national gun registry. In 2012, long guns were removed from the registry. No one knows how to stop homicidal men from hiring vans.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 13, 2018 - 12:22am PT
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Man, if every dirtbag climber who couldn't get laid started plowing into people with their vans it would be an extraordinary level of carnage.
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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May 13, 2018 - 12:49am PT
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To the O.P. what did I learn from your post or should learn?
S...
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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May 13, 2018 - 06:37am PT
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^^^ People are, and will always be f'ed up.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 13, 2018 - 08:43am PT
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BITD they were just called losers. Now they’re special?
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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May 13, 2018 - 10:36am PT
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Chickless loser
The interesting thing is that many/majority of Islamic suicide bombers are virgins. It is thought the lack of sexual interaction in the Muslim culture leads to unbearable frustration for young men and some young women at a time in their lives that needs this sexual fix that makes psychotic fanaticism in a cause, no matter how twisted, perfectly reasonable.
Again, chickless (dudeless) losers
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 13, 2018 - 02:48pm PT
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America’s? You need to get out more, bro.
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HoMan
Trad climber
Wasteville,CA
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May 13, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
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No hookers in Canada eah?
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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May 13, 2018 - 06:43pm PT
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Cosmiccragsman has it right. Because people with a warped sense of value can commiserate, violent tendencies are fueled. Thankfully, acting on them is rare.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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May 13, 2018 - 07:21pm PT
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^^^^^^ now that is funny
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2018 - 07:30pm PT
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To the O.P. what did I learn from your post or should learn?
More the other way round. I was so baffled by the whole thing that I posted it in the hope that I might learn something from whatever responses the post generated.
Seriously. This comes from so far out in left field that it might as well be left field on some other planet. Who among us -- male or female -- hasn't gone through a dry spell at some point in our sex lives? But did any of us think that the solution to our problem was to kill as many people as possible?
So, yes: What did you learn? Or maybe better: What are your thoughts?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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May 13, 2018 - 08:30pm PT
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Ghost! I've learned again that folks who don't interact socially with women in our culture & used to be defined as "nerds" can now find like-thinkers on the web.
If they hate & fear women, they can also find like-thinkers on the web.
(I am still very happy that ST management gave the boot to one of the misogynist men who used to post here.)
I've learned those folks can nurture violent fantasies in blog-sites with other nerds, then go out and kill a large number of humans.
Sigh.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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May 13, 2018 - 08:53pm PT
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Incel was the name originally proposed by the guys at micro_soft (soft & tiny?) for Excel
Excel won out because it sounded sexier
Look it up
Bill Gates will confirm this
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 14, 2018 - 03:25am PT
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"Going Postal" does seem to be an offshoot of, I guess I would say, alienation in modern society. Maybe social media gives feedbacks that amplify the phenomena, maybe not. In terms of the response of killing "random" people as a "solution" to some kind of psychological imbalance, I'm not sure "not getting laid" is really so different from the "reasons" other people commit mass murders of random people.
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RURP_Belay
Big Wall climber
Bitter end of a bad anchor
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May 14, 2018 - 06:28am PT
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That Jim Jefferies piece was hilarious!
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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May 14, 2018 - 06:29am PT
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When does a dry spell become incel?
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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May 14, 2018 - 06:44am PT
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My feeling is that news about such events is over-reported. I am guessing that there is a kind of psychological contagion (the theme of a Robert Heinlein short story), and that people who commit that kind of crime often realize that they will become notorious.
I don't see a solution to the problem, but if all news reporting were done the way the BBC used to do it, it would be a duller but possibly safer world.
Occasionally, people ask me why I take so many pictures. They may suggest I try getting them to a larger audience. My photos are almost entirely just for me to watch on my screensaver as I listen to my music. However, if I did want my photos to get the public scrutiny they surely deserve, all I would have to do is...
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