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clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 13, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
Switzerland bans boiling lobsters alive

Francesca Street, CNN • Updated 12th January 2018

CNN) — Lobsters are a delicious delicacy loved by coastal dwellers across the world -- but is boiling them alive inhumane?
In a new law, the Swiss government has banned the common culinary practice of throwing the crustaceans into boiling water while they are still conscious.
The move is a response to studies that suggest lobsters are sentient with advanced nervous systems that may feel pain.
From March 2018, lobsters being prepared in Switzerland will need to be knocked out before they're put to death, or killed instantly. They'll also get other protections while in transit.

"Live crustaceans, including the lobster, may no longer be transported on ice or in ice water. Aquatic species must always be kept in their natural environment," says the new law, according to Swiss Info. "Crustaceans must now be stunned before they are killed,"
The new edict comes in the wake of a recent Italian law that decreed lobsters can't be kept on ice in restaurant kitchens.
Switzerland's decision is applauded by Professor Robert Elwood, emeritus professor in ecology, evolution, behaviour and environmental economics at Queens University, Belfast.

Elwood has conducted a series of experiments that suggest crustaceans are sentient and that boiling them alive is inhumane.
"With the data we know, it is highly likely that the animal will be in pain," he says. "We give protection to birds and mammals, currently we give very little protection to decapod crustaceans -- lobsters and crabs -- and the question comes, why is there this difference?"

Elwood's studies suggest crustaceans will make serious life and death decisions when exposed to pain. In experiments, hermit crabs were quick to abandon a shell if it was exposed to a large electric shock.
"They are really giving up a very valuable resource that means life to them, essentially, in order to escape from the noxious stimulus," explains Elwood.
The scientist says he is pleased governments are considering this data and making changes accordingly.
"It's a positive move, the Swiss are looking at a potential problem and trying to deal with it," he says.
But for Elwood, this is only the first step in addressing this issue.
"I don't know how many lobsters are boiled in Switzerland per year, but it's probably quite a small amount compared with the billions upon billions of crustaceans that are used each year in the human food chain," he says.

The new law doesn't mean taking lobster off the menu. There are methods of killing them which are considered more humane -- and which Swiss chefs might now adopt.
"With an experienced chef, using a large, sharp knife, thrust into the right place into the head of the lobster and then cutting down along the midway -- that should kill the lobster very quickly and effectively -- and is probably the most humane way in a small operation," suggests Elwood.
Elwood also pinpoints a device called the Crustastun, which destroys the lobster's nervous system.
Elwood hopes to discourage the practice of not only boiling but also dismembering while the animal is alive. "I would question the use of that in a modern society," he says.
Time will tell whether other countries will follow Switzerland's example.


Being delicious.

Switzerland, neutralizing pain before death, bravo. The "probably" humane killing by a large, sharp, quick and effective object method is revolutionary. I recall being shocked at seeing a freshly caught fish getting it's head whacked to kill it almost instantly, when I was a boy.

Prawns are often killed by first of all placing them into the freezer for around 20 minutes before cooking and then plunging them into boiling salted water for just a few minutes before peeling them.

Being frozen to death and/or boiled alive, end of life in the human food markets, for a crustacean is a bad deal. Having the guy appleuding this humane decision, who had hermit crabs subjected to large electrical shocks makes me question what we justify in the name of science and more so in the writing of this article.

How often do you kill your food for consumption? Have any SuperTacoers never killed a creature for their own food? It has been two decades for me.

Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Jan 13, 2018 - 09:58pm PT
Been a while for me too. I do appreciate the carneceria. Hard work dressing an animal. But have felt it would be a good skill to have when Trump dumps us into a nuclear shithole.

clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2018 - 10:13pm PT
I started fishing again but only catch and release so far. We have been raising chickens a couple years and enjoy the eggs.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Jan 13, 2018 - 10:18pm PT
Clink...Middle and South Fork of the Stan. Jus sayin
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2018 - 10:25pm PT
Crustaceans are really big insects. Think about that the next time you hold a funeral for the fly you swatted, who started life as an idealistic maggot.

Instant death for the fly, yet you would deny this final mercy for those creatures that one actually desires to be occupying your dinner plate?
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 13, 2018 - 10:28pm PT
How often do you kill your food for consumption?
Best sushi that I ever had was on Jeju Island in Korea. They pulled your meal out of the aquarium and chopped it up right before your eyes. Nothing like eating squid and abalone that is still moving.



mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 13, 2018 - 11:03pm PT
Big cats tear out the jugular and bite the soft underbelly of large prey to keep from being injured by thrashing hooves and horns.

These animals are huge and can weigh over 1300 pounds or 600Kg, while the biggest cat, the lion, weighs about 200kg max.

Bears and canines do not practice this method.

Why are we humans so damned squeamish? It's life and death out there but not in a Swiss restaurant. No one is forcing you to watch the lobster's demise. There are other things on the menu if you are so concerned.

Lobster bisque is so good. I've had it once. I didn't care how they kill the damn bug. It never occurred to me. But it happened and I'm hungry, so...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 13, 2018 - 11:31pm PT
A big knife expertly wielded is clearly superior. Hard to do with krill though.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Jan 14, 2018 - 06:43am PT
one summer my primary backcountry vehicle had no windshield.
grasshoppers jumped in, and then jumped back out. incredible,
st. francis level karma lasted well into october
climber bob

Social climber
maine
Jan 14, 2018 - 06:49am PT
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 14, 2018 - 08:18am PT
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couchmaster

climber
Jan 14, 2018 - 08:32am PT
I've changed how I cook crab due to this issue. I no longer toss them alive into boiling water.


The dog, however has her own way of doing business....

She took out 3 possums last year that wandered into our backyard at the wrong time, all bigger than her. I was able to save one.

" marine biologist Jeff Shields, a professor at the Virginia Institute of Marine Science, said it’s unclear whether the reaction to negative stimuli is a pain response or simply an avoidance response. “That’s the problem,” he said, “there’s no way to tell.” But because lobsters do not have the neural pathways that mammals have and use in pain response, Shields said he does not believe lobsters feel pain."

I think they do.
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Jan 14, 2018 - 11:04am PT
Current info from Maine on how to do it:

//Bring the water to a rolling boil.

Add the live lobsters one at a time, and start timing immediately. Cover.

Stir the lobsters halfway through cooking.

Let the lobsters rest for 5 minutes or so after cooking to allow the meat to absorb some of the moisture in the shell.//

http://www.lobsterfrommaine.com/boiling-lobster/

Conveniently enough, even if you live in the interior of the west by a large super salty body of water (brine shrimp are hard to get on a bamboo skewer), lobbys packed and shipped in the morning from Portland Maine can arrive in great shape by afternoon...




I'm not sure plunging a knife into the "right spot" into a lobsters head is any more humane than just plunging them head first into boiling water...

(the girls did exit the kitchen so as to not hear the screaming...)

Ahh...lobby...one of the best, sweet meats on the planet...
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