Bicycles to be allowed in the Wilderness?!

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Hoots

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 16, 2017 - 09:30pm PT
Y'all see this?!

Credit: Hoots

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1349/actions
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Dec 16, 2017 - 09:36pm PT
99% of the American population are too out of shape to ride a mt. bike let alone riding it up a steep trail into the back country...Interesting proposition though...
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 16, 2017 - 09:46pm PT
If there were a bill opening wilderness lands to bolting with power drills the majority of climbers would be exuberant. Just sayin'...
zBrown

Ice climber
Dec 16, 2017 - 09:46pm PT


Jes bolt in some O dem solar panels and we be good to go
-terrible herbst





john hansen

climber
Dec 16, 2017 - 09:53pm PT
Hey Z ,, lowering the carbon foot print.
Always a good thing.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Dec 16, 2017 - 09:53pm PT
I'd be willing to bet those rubber tires would do less damage than pack trains of horses, and they'd leave less poo poo.

I'm fine with anything human powered in wilderness, including kayaks and hang gliders and whatever. Step off the trail, they go flying by, and go back to hiking. Doesn't seem too bad.

Probably wouldn't be too common in sierra wilderness areas so maybe in other states there are issues I don't know about.

hossjulia

Trad climber
Carson City, NV
Dec 16, 2017 - 09:56pm PT
I like the idea of bikes being ok in wilderness, but in reality, myself, my dog and my horse have all been run into, or over in Max's case, by mountain bikers going too fast for their line of sight. I do it, you do it, we all do it! At least occasionally.
I don't want to deal with that when I'm out hiking.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 16, 2017 - 09:59pm PT
I hate the idea of it.

DMT
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 16, 2017 - 10:01pm PT
I like the ban. It keeps the goobers out, and makes grapppin' down some singletrack ruts on the horsetrails all the more enjoyable.
doughnutnational

Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
Dec 16, 2017 - 10:06pm PT
I thought bikes were allowed in Wilderness areas after deer season closes, that's how it seems to work around here.
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 16, 2017 - 10:08pm PT
gonna allow them to build kiosks so you can swap out batteries for longer rides...
zBrown

Ice climber
Dec 16, 2017 - 10:11pm PT
Ain't jus walkin' the dog at 1:25

Ojai Alex

Trad climber
Ojai, CA
Dec 16, 2017 - 10:23pm PT

I'm fine with anything human powered in wilderness, including kayaks and hang gliders and whatever. Step off the trail, they go flying by, and go back to hiking. Doesn't seem too bad.

That was pretty much my attitude. But since then Ive seen climbers use mtn bikes in wilderness areas to help speed up development. That makes bikes potentially different from kayaks and hang gliders.

Climbers love to bicker about wilderness and what it even means. I think when a space is designated wilderness, no matter how ‘arbitrary’, a real climber will rise to the occasion. Doing the most with the least, a la Doug Robinson, is the best suited ethic.

Wilderness raises the bar. All the ducking and dodging is just a weak excuse for not being up to the real challenge.

Hike your sh#t in like a man. Dont power drill in wilderness. Leave the sport bolting to areas where that is appropriate.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 16, 2017 - 11:25pm PT
“A man on foot, on horseback or on a bicycle will see more, feel more, enjoy more in one mile than the motorized tourists can in a hundred miles.”

― Edward Abbey, Desert Solitaire

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 17, 2017 - 04:27am PT
No bikes...please.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Dec 17, 2017 - 05:12am PT
No bikes,just fracking sites and uranium mines.......ok.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Sacramento, CA
Dec 17, 2017 - 05:45am PT
Mixed feelings on my end.

It is a great way to access the trails, for sure.

I mtb occasionally and I’ve heard the inside “hurr hurr” about pissing off other trail users. You just act like it’s all cool and you’re gone in a few seconds anyway, goes the line. That’s not really good enough.

Personally, I like more dedicated trails where you can reasonably expect not to whip into somebody at speed.

Equating a mtb to power drilling is a stretch.

I suppose we’ll see what it is. There’s always a reason to get in a huff about other trail users. I run with my dog and generally hate to see other dogs and their owners. How hypocritical is that?
monolith

climber
state of being
Dec 17, 2017 - 05:52am PT
I like the idea of leaving it up to the land manager, rather than a blanket rule.

...and don't worry about ebikes cuz they have a motorized power source.

This bill amends the Wilderness Act to declare that provisions of such Act prohibiting the use of motorized vehicles, aircraft, or other forms of mechanical transport shall not prohibit the use of motorized wheelchairs, non-motorized wheelchairs, non-motorized bicycles, strollers, wheelbarrows, survey wheels, or game carts within any wilderness areas.

But there is that problem of what constitutes a wheel chair.



Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Dec 17, 2017 - 06:48am PT
I think some sort of access for bikes is not automatically a bad idea. Having some trails or old roads freed up seems fine. The Canadian Parks have been doing this for years, and the world has not ended. I think horses and pack trains do a lot of damage and, perhaps, more than bikes would, but I can see the gonzo nut jobs blasting down trails like they own the place and making the back country pretty unpleasant and risky. Horses typically don't gallop down single-track. Way BITD I had a friend who, with some buddies, did a mtn. bike trip into a wilderness area and got busted on the way out. They had to drive from the coast back to Fresno to face the music, which was some fairly small fine. From his reports, they weren't exactly bombing down trails fully loaded, however. He said they covered 25 miles in five hours.

BAd
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 17, 2017 - 06:56am PT
Its not the bikes on trails I object to its the extension of single day access much farther into the wilderness with way more people.

DMT
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