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Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 6, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
I know, people are going to say this is a climber's forum, people are going to say it is like flogging a dead horse, some people may say I am stooopid.

But as I look at the headlines over the past months, who dominates? The 'reality' TV guy. (And I am a very experienced media person, a journalist for some 44 years in five countries, working on nationals and TV, but then I am just "fake news" to some of you, All I can say is go fly a kite, or jump in a lake).

Like him or loathe him, he is the news. And he must love it.

And this person may to some extent, determine our futures.

And Donald is loving it. Even if he falls, or fails.

And Putin is smiling. Collusion or not, Russia wins.

Think about it and then spray.

EDIT
And for those whose parents fled the post Germany Allied administration because their parents were active Nazi member party supporters, America welcomed some of you, but for some, couldn't Brazil or Argentina been better? There is enough hatred in the US without you people calling us stoopid.
Robert L

climber
Dec 6, 2017 - 07:38pm PT
Has he really won anything?

At most, it seems, he's had the knack for diverting people's attention when an issue has been going badly for him.

I can't imagine that he is enjoying the job much, now.

The hunch is that he is running-out of distractions - if that means he then goes nuclear, nobody wins.
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 6, 2017 - 07:43pm PT
Credit: xCon
Credit: xCon
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 6, 2017 - 07:52pm PT
Patrick, this is a climber's forum. I think you may LIKE flogging a dead horse.

But who am I to judge anyone, really, even though I judge them when I don't vote for them.

Me Me Me Me Meme.
Me Me Me Me Meme.
Credit: mouse from merced
I sure never voted for this dingaling.

And you are not stooopid.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2017 - 08:12pm PT
Mouse, no, I do not like flogging a dead horse.

But unless this is not kept in the "public eye", unless it is let to slide under the stealth, read slime, then yes, maybe the dead beast needs to be flogged, because perhaps it is not dead.

Do you understand that?

I may not live in the US, but as an American, I feel its repercussions.

EDIT

Are some of you Trump supporters happy? He boasts (what doesn't he) of some great legislative achievements.

What are they? Finally, a tax bill that will help all of Americans, but not him? Donald claims he is going to lose. Well, I find that difficult to believe, for a guy who claims he does not pay taxes and when he does (arm twisting) it is for the better of…

a) the nation and people
b) his children
c) himself

or his Russian 'bank' rollers (look it up, it is there).

So now, is this dead horse worth flogging? Does it perchance have life in it?

It is your future. You decide.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2017 - 08:29pm PT
And as cute and perhaps as true as they are, memes do not cut it. Reasonable discourse, now that I can deal with.

And in the previous years I have made an ass of myself on this forum. I have been abusive to some, apologies, perhaps one glass of wine too many, no excuse though.

I start a sincere thread about Mount Rainier, and the usual jokers and jerk offs want their say, their pathetic input. Okay I expected that, knowing this forum since 2005. Does it bother me? Well, it must, as I bring it up, but only like a pimple on the face (or butt). It is annoying, but just that.

Cheers

Patrick

NB You know where you can reach me.

EDIT

Trump sucks. But I think most of you, even his supporters, know that. The bigger question is: How in the world did the US get to this point? There are points, milestones I suppose, that can lead to that, we are not the diverse nation as some of suppose.

Since the beginning of this 'great' nation, we have not been so great. I have mentioned it before, and been ridiculed on this forum, about my family's history. Sawyers stepped forth in 1640, the second signatory to the Declaration, yep, Bartletts are in my tree.

Did we kill the 'red man' as we crossed the plains? I do not know.

I know that Samuel Clemens is a distant relative (he took his cousin's name Sawyer for is semi-autobriography, we were in St Joe Missouri before hitting the Oregon Trail). Both of my grandfathers were well-respected judges (West Virginia and Washington state).

Papa Casey has a statue in Pittsburgh, PA, Grandpa Sawyer was a captain the Rough Riders, and his friend Teddy made him Postmaster General of Washington state (nepotism I suppose).

I have laid this out before and I have been ridiculed on this forum. But those are my stats. So, while I may live abroad, I watch and I care about my country.

I will discuss anything with anybody, if it is a reasonable discourse. Just don't catch me when I have I had a couple of glasses of wine. then I may be an ass.

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 6, 2017 - 08:48pm PT
Patrick, shouldn't you be practicing your crevasse rescue skills? You know.... for something big and icy in the Cascades.


Robert L

climber
Dec 6, 2017 - 08:52pm PT
Are some of you Trump supporters happy? He boasts (what doesn't he) of some great legislative achievements.

You might be pressed to find anyone who truly supports Trump.

Throw some solid counselling at any Trump voter, and it will probably reveal that they would ditch Trump support for anyone who sounds-more-like supporting their interests. You'll also find the spiteful-schadenfreude-types who want to support someone foremost because they are the alternative to their 'enemy'.

I'm hunching that the Repubs and Democrats have no real intent on resolving the issues that people voted them in for. For should the Repubs and Democrats actually resolve those interests, their would then become less further need for them, and people would no-longer support a two-party 'democracy' en masse.

There have been almost no great leaders throughout modern history. They've almost all just been puppets of their time.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
Patrick, shouldn't you be practicing your crevasse rescue skills? You know.... for something big and icy in the Cascades.

Fear, if I make it to the family reunion, Rainier is off the schedule. I think Donini's suggestion of Mount Stuart is more in line with what I can do, as far as gear (I have the shoes, rope, rack, no partner though, and free soloing is best left to those who can, but I have free soloed at that level, a long time ago in a galaxy far away).

More important, the crevasses of a family reunion to be negotiated.

Cheers fears

Paddy
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 6, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
Patrick, lad, of course I understand what you say. Please check the last several days worth of my Flames thread and you will see what's there and how dedicated I and others posting there are tp this wannabe president's eventual fall. He and his whole gang are reminiscent of a bad pope, say John XXIII the first, not Angelo Roncalli, of course, but the one deposed in the fifteenth century.

His presence on the scene is indicative of a sickness here and we Americans are, in general, aware, embarrassed, and not happy in general, with some exceptions...the Nazi types you mentioned earlier.

My feelings are that the younger generation is not aware enough but then I would not be surprised if I were wrong. I have little contact with the so-called Snowflake Generation, the ones who will vote for the first time in the next presidential election.

I can do discourse. Try me.
Robert L

climber
Dec 6, 2017 - 09:10pm PT
I have little contact with the so-called Snowflake Generation, the ones who will vote for the first time in the next presidential election.

Be nice to them. They will be called upon to nurse you, and pay for your generation's avarice.
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 6, 2017 - 09:13pm PT
the science of marketing came to fruition after the criminal justice system

'assault and battery' needs redefining...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2017 - 09:24pm PT
Mouse, I have never had any inclination to doubt you, as you are genuine, I see that in your previous posts over the years.

But Merced? My mother was suckered into buying land in Atwater, when she could had bought land in Ygnacio Valley (Walnut Creek, where I was born). A real estate gold mine.

Atwater? Does it still exists? hah hah, just joking.

My mother was a dentist, a widow, with four children, she was a sucker. She never remarried after dad's death. She never learned, as she spoiled all of us. Me, the youngest, what climbing gear I wanted, she bought. Palisades School of Mountaineering (I want you to be taught properly), flying lessons, at first but then too "expensive" unless "you are going to be a pilot".

Everybody, but everybody, neighbors, friends they loved my mom.
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
Dec 6, 2017 - 09:31pm PT

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Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2017 - 10:22pm PT
The point I am I trying to make is…

What good is our country if we fall into a sort of totalitarianism, where people become afraid of others because the "leaders" deem it so?

Are we bound to hysteria? Jody, you are just one of the most obvious ones, sorry to single you out but your "us against them mentality will not work. And I could add all the other conservative, and yes some liberals on this forum.

It is about us against ourselves.

We are a diverse nation, a diverse world, a planet, unless I am mistaken and their are "aliens", we are this world.

Nothing new here, nothing that has not said before, but something to always remind us of who we are.

A reminder of humanity.

Take your guns, hunt, I will not kill but I will gladly eat elk meat. I have no problems with being a carnivore, I do have some problems with guns.

Tax my ass on a properly, if said property is a burden on the community.

Do we let people starve in the streets and freeze under bridges?

what sort of society, world, is that?

I have no problem with billionaires, as such, unless they deny the people who put them there.

I do have a problem with greed, when is enough an enough?

When you step over the corpses of fellow humans, with a smile on your face, what are you?


EDIT

I can be an hypocrite in some ways, I can even contradict myself in minor ways, I recognize that. I am human. But I do try my best to be sincere. Sometimes I fail, and when I do, I look in the mirror and ask,"what could I have done differently?"
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 6, 2017 - 11:00pm PT
Lots of people have strange views/ideas about the Central Valley and Merced, Patrick. Your mother was not well-advised in her decision, unfortunately. She is not the only one to lose out on investing here...witness the recession that lowered real estate values several years ago.

But town by town up and down this valley of tule fog and exhaust fumes, it is the same. Lump Atwater in with Merced, that's fine. I'm happy here, as happy as I've been elsewhere with the exception of Yosemite Valley and that is all that really matters to me.

Trump's influence won't last forever, just as the recent recession did not. Things are constantly improving in one way while degenerating in others, like always.

What is important is to continually seek to improve yourself and those in your immediate circle, but not at the expense of others. Avarice and greed stand out and are newsworthy, but the everyday life of the humble worker bees continues, provided that the queen is healthy.

I wish sincerely that a sense of peace will come to you eventually, Patrick. You seem changed from your morose self of several months ago, and this makes me happy. It is all we are called to do by the better side of our humanity: provide some measure of happiness for our fellows.

Merry Christmas. Stay off the sauce.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2017 - 11:03pm PT
And if I post twice, I may be accused of chain posting, as one person put it.

I sit here, trying to put a second draft on a novel and I get, frustrated. I hit a blank wall.

So I lash out on the one forum I feel comfortable on.

There is no climbing about, that eases frustrations in a way. To feel the rock on the hands or the crunch of ice.

So I sit here on a very cold yet clear Irish morning at 7am. No wiser, no better, no wealthier, that I was last night.

But I know, I can always make a fool of myself on the Taco Stand. Been doing it for over a decade. A constant in life. It helps, hah hah.

Best wishes to all.

Patrick
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2017 - 11:21pm PT
Mouse, I fell in love (briefly) with a gal from Atwater (It was in Yosemite Valley, she was 16, I was 17, and she was really cute, but… nothing happened, we flirted, still)

Atwater holds a place in my heart. Just.

EDIT

Trevino, that was her name, her uncle was the golfer, gawd after all of these years, I never even thought about her. Until now.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Dec 6, 2017 - 11:45pm PT
The state of FACT in 2017:
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/434gqw/i-made-my-shed-the-top-rated-restaurant-on-tripadvisor
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:33am PT
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g32706-d818296-Reviews-Trevino_s-Merced_California.html

My son Scott brings his family here and they all love the place.

I have eaten here several times as well.

It is in the throbbing heart of downtown in one of the oldest buildings on Main.
Trevino's Mexican restaurant, Main and I St.
Trevino's Mexican restaurant, Main and I St.
Credit: mouse from merced
Don't really know if the family is the same as your old flame's from Atwater.

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