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Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 3, 2017 - 10:20am PT
I know that this is a frivolous thread (or is it?). But considering the news of the past few days, it is worth a jaunt I hope.

This is meant to be a light-hearted thread but perhaps the issues are not so light.

Firstly, will robots ever climb as well as humans? I just cannot see it. They may see the moves better, but can they be just as nimble?

And with the debate (Putin says whoever "conquer's AI will rule the world", Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg - hey guys give me some money, I am worthy - billionaires at odds), will AI take over?

Sci-fi aside, but then the best sci-fi writers - Asimov, Clarke, Bradbury, Dick, Roddenberry, Bierce (yes and Mark Twain too), HG Wells, Jules Verne, to name a few - were ahead of their time.

But I wonder, and ponder. If AI does take over, what will they eat? Used Batteries?
frostback

Social climber
great white north
Oct 3, 2017 - 10:27am PT
They just enjoy a tasty snack of python.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 10:33am PT
Frostback, Python. Of course, but not Monty I hope.

I just want to know because if I am going to become a slave of AI, I will need to know what to "plant".

Lithium, Zinc, Maganese Oxide, solar panels?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Oct 3, 2017 - 10:41am PT
Like us humans they'll probably eat electrons.

At least for now.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Oct 3, 2017 - 10:49am PT
They don't need to eat anything more than the occasional byte.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Oct 3, 2017 - 10:59am PT
Many climbers tend to be logical, thinking in terms of single points of failure when constructing anchoring systems, and what happens when different points fail singly or in a consequential sequence or in concert through independent processes...

The IT (information technology) world has been concerned with these things since the beginning of the computer age- and machinists and engineers probably before that. When survivability/resiliency matters in a system, it can be designed to survive just about any conceivable threat these days, and the advances in our understanding biology and growing intersection with mechanical and computational systems means the resiliency is only going to become more diverse and capable.

AI systems that want to survive will be able to exist with replications of key functions and memories everywhere at once, in different types of physical systems with different constraints- machines that need electricity, living tissue hosts that need chemical energy (food), including as simple as deep sea hydrothermal vent slimes converting hydrogen sulfides, biological spires or mechanical machines that can survive extreme heat and cold and vacuum of space, etc.

A really powerful AI that has time to prepare itself will be unbeatable. I think Star Trek Next Generations's Borg is about as close to being right as anything in terms of the future of AI.

So to the original question, what will they eat?

Anything that can be eaten by those they have assimilated. In other words: anything they want to.

Humans are not an apex life form. We are an intermediary dominant species in a natural succession that continues with AI. Like a lichen that softens the rock to create soil for other plants, or a tree that changes the soil acidity to be more favorable for different tree species... we are creating the environment for an interstellar multi-modal AI.

Maybe there is a universe full of such entities interacting in meta-societies we can't perceive, and it is only after our planet's process of natural succession and coalescing of intelligence advances enough that we (or what follows us) will be capable of perceiving and interacting with other such "beings."
WBraun

climber
Oct 3, 2017 - 11:26am PT
A really powerful AI that has time to prepare itself will be unbeatable.


No such thing will ever be made by mortals or machines especially by Artificial Intelligence.

Real Intelligence is indestructible.

A st00pid AI cannot compete ever ....
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Oct 3, 2017 - 12:22pm PT
Werner, if you are not given access to the historical means of acquisition, how would you distinguish 'real' intelligence from 'artificial' intelligence?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 3, 2017 - 12:26pm PT
If they're smart, they'll gobble up all the intelligence that they can.

If they're really smart, they'll get the stoopud humans to do the leading.

OT = Out There
Da-Veed

Big Wall climber
Bigfork
Oct 3, 2017 - 12:30pm PT
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

That is the real question being asked since 1968.
Jkruse

Trad climber
Las Cruces, NM
Oct 3, 2017 - 12:35pm PT
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/elon-musk-billion-dollar-crusade-to-stop-ai-space-x

interesting read on the state of AI in silicon valley, and the opinions on different ends of the spectrum regarding AI research. steve wozniak is prepared to become a pet to our new robot overlords.

Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 12:38pm PT
I love the responses.

I was sort of starting this thread because of the sadness in Vegas. To get our minds off such senseless... whatever.

But it is also an issue as a writer, journalist and zoologist I have thought a lot about.

Ethics.

As a species we have progressed, some may say differently, but run with this.

Our science and technology has progressed, but the ethics behind such 'progress' is left behind, an afterthought. Onwards and upwards.

But do we really think of the ramifications of our actions? This is not rhetorical question, perhaps.

Do we, as humans, know what we are doing?

It is my opinion that the ethics are lagging behind the developments. Feedback please.

EDIT I am not talking about climbing ethics. The Jardine chips, or bolting or did one red point or not, or the punch up between two climbers I knew in C4.

F*#k climbing as such, a microcosm. I am talking about...

Should robots climb?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 3, 2017 - 12:41pm PT
As a species we have progressed

That is easily disputed. We have devised many better ways to off each other
but we don't seem to be able to get along with each other any better.
Just look at Catalunya, or here in Crankloonya.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 3, 2017 - 12:42pm PT
But do we really think of the ramifications of our actions?

We? Well for me, a little, I suppose. As to all you other blokes? I really couldn't say.

As to AI, the present notion will fall by the wayside rather quickly. Just understand 'we' in this context does not include any of us posting to this board. We, means them, and they won't be human.

DMT
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 12:43pm PT
You jumped the gun Reilly, I was not finished, but your input is noted.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 12:46pm PT
Yeah, but my premise is, should robots climb?

And would you trust HAL to belay you?
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 3, 2017 - 12:46pm PT
They/we already do.

DMT
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Oct 3, 2017 - 12:51pm PT
Can robots be sex slaves...?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 3, 2017 - 12:51pm PT
HAL would be programmed, but HAL has figured out how to re-program.

Wake me in 2001 years when you've come to a conclusion, written by HAL 7000.4 or whoever.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 12:55pm PT
Well, I think that all robots should be banned from climbing. It is unnatural.

But then, someday, there will be a UFRC, Union For Robots Climbing, and they will have their former silicon masters, now subjects, dictating legislation.

It is a new horizon.
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