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chill

climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 2, 2017 - 04:18pm PT
Credit: chill
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Oct 2, 2017 - 09:10pm PT
Is that you, Chill?
chill

climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2017 - 09:21pm PT
Not me. Some guy apparently not afraid of bullets.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Oct 2, 2017 - 10:27pm PT
Nice catch chill.

Agreed:-)
BigB

Trad climber
Red Rock
Oct 2, 2017 - 10:49pm PT
Not me. Some guy apparently not afraid of bullets.
Or too many cups of courage...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 3, 2017 - 05:20am PT
I appreciate his outrage, but standing there with drink in hand while people need help, is a wee bit less heroic than actually doing something constructive like pulling someone to safety, applying direct pressure to a wound etc.

Hopefully he wasn't too much in the way.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 3, 2017 - 05:49am PT
Its unseemly to criticize this guy in any way, to my way of thinking. Unless the critic was there I suppose.

DMT
TwistedCrank

climber
Released into general population, Idaho
Oct 3, 2017 - 06:07am PT
Two guys standing there holding large beverages, one flipping the bird, while those around them are busy attending to something urgent.

The photo speaks volumes.

The boys should have put down their beers and helped out.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 3, 2017 - 06:30am PT
What crank said. I have no trouble criticizing that drunken loser who can't even put down his drink to help while people are dying around him!


But wtf, he got ot indulge in counterproductive outrage, and he'll dine out for the rest of his life on the fact that "he was there!"
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 3, 2017 - 06:37am PT
Its hard to have any context at all. My advice would be to give benefit of doubt. Hard to say at all what the 15 seconds prior to photo were like, none of us were there.

DMT
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Oct 3, 2017 - 06:41am PT
Story line for a movie staring Nicolas Cage.
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Oct 3, 2017 - 07:01am PT
The video is on the internet. It's not apparent from the video that there were any wounded people in the vicinity. Everyone was just hunkering down, unaware of where the shooter(s) may be. Also it was not obvious where "safety" was if in fact somebody needed to be dragged there. If it was known, the people would have been moving in that direction.

I give the guy a pass. Besides, with the bullets coming down from above, him standing had the effect of shielding perhaps 2 or 3 folks who were crouched down between him and the shooter. Indirect unwitting heroism...
WBraun

climber
Oct 3, 2017 - 07:23am PT
Most of the people on this forum just watch or read a couple of short blurps or a look at a photo and then know everything, rolls eyes.

Typical Americans and that's why this country is down the drain ...... :(
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 3, 2017 - 07:26am PT
But it IS evident in this photo. I hope this guy is not present when any of us need help.

And yes I do get that word ďHeroĒ is used ironically in the title.














I hope
WBraun

climber
Oct 3, 2017 - 07:30am PT
Why do you people want a drunk to help you with a medical problem?

Very weird ......

The only thing I see here is you people, as usual, need someone anyone to lash out against.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 3, 2017 - 07:50am PT
I donít want him to help, I want him to get out of the way. As you and I know, Werner, guys like this can be a colossal pain in the ass in a SAR/ emergency/ rescue situation. Giving the ad hoc rescue personnel one more problem to deal with. These loudmouths are the bane of getting things done, they are distracting and demand attention from the limited resources at the scene.

Iím not condemning him as a person, Iím just saying get out of the way of the grown ups dealing with the problem, instead, heís creating a new one.

And you guys who have to use your imagination to rationalize an excuse for this slob, that is fractal of what goes on at times like this. Is it he, who needs the attention? or the guy on the ground in front of him with a critical injury?

Yes, in real life he may be a saint, and save lives by the handful. This however, is a photo of him f*#king up.
WBraun

climber
Oct 3, 2017 - 07:52am PT
You really are over thinking this Jaybro .....
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Oct 3, 2017 - 08:18am PT
I think the subtext here is how it reflects what our society honors and values, what people look up to or aspire to. It is emblematic of our nation focusing on the dude "fighting the man" or resisting or bucking the system, living out his freedom ideal, rather than the people working for our collective betterment. It is our craving for entertainment more than appreciation of those who create what our society needs.

Or maybe that is part of the problem- our world is so messed up we need so much entertainment to distract us from the ugliness of reality. So we worship the entertainers. And it is a self-perpetuating cycle. Get drunk or high on the infotainment and live in moments of escapist borrowed feelings of anger or sadness or righteous indignation, while neglecting our personal responsibilities to be part of the solutions rather than the problems in our society.

I doubt much outrage exists for this dude in particular. It's more of a "what's wrong with our society?" and a feeling of impotence about what to do about it. From that perspective, people who share the same sense of outrage and impotence about our societal problems might see this guy as a beacon expressing what they feel. The polarized responses are tied to universal feelings that could unite people if more of us learned to express our hopes and fears apart from political labels. Or maybe I'm just dreaming and projecting.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 3, 2017 - 08:36am PT
Like DMT says, we were not there. Why go on about it?

If all ya got to do is kvetch about this 'heroic' gesture, I pity ya.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Oct 3, 2017 - 08:45am PT
A lot of eyewitnesses are saying there was a network of fencing surrounding the concert that made quick evacuation impossible.

The fencing was probably there to ensure nobody without a ticket could get close to the show in order to maximize profit.
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