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neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 7, 2017 - 11:01pm PT
hey there say... just a quake news report...
edit:
UPDATED to 8.1 now...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-08/magnitude-8-earthquake-hits-southern-mexico-felt-in-capital


The U.S. Tsunami Warning System said hazardous tsunami waves were possible on the Pacific coasts of several Central American countries. Waves were possible within the next three hours for Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Panama, Honduras and Ecuador, it said. There was no tsunami threat for the U.S. West Coast.

oh my... :(

news, gal, said five after shocks (at this time of broadcast)
and they were about 5 pointers...




one gal, live report, said there was 'warning' of small quake?
the day? before (if i heard that right, and retained it)

and, now, even mexico city, has reported feeling it...
and, waiting for aftershocks...

she did say, subway and airport, in mexico city,
were working, though... so far...


martygarrison

Trad climber
Washington DC
Sep 8, 2017 - 04:02am PT
I was in Mexico City yesterday and apparently just missed this thing. I've been in enough big earthquakes in my time and feel fortunate to have missed this one!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 8, 2017 - 06:16am PT
8.1...!!! mother of pearl...
Scole

Trad climber
Zapopan
Sep 8, 2017 - 07:59am PT
We felt nothing in Guadalajara, but i feel for the people in Chiapas and Oaxaca.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Sep 8, 2017 - 08:30am PT
I've been in an 8.1. I was in the 1971 San Fernando quake pretty close to the epicenter and that seemed like fun in comparison. I wish the best for the people of Oaxaca and the surrounding area, and for their recovery.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Sep 8, 2017 - 08:52am PT
Info from the USGS website...

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us2000ahv0#finite-fault





NOTE: the slip arrows show the motion of the hanging wall relative to the footwall.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2017 - 09:22am PT
hey there say, ... man oh man, say, thanks guys for all the info... :O

say, also, is this true, what the news gal, reported:

a quake this huge, comes around, once, (ooops, forgot what she said) :(
every 'how often' ... so it WAS?? DUE, somewhere???


*got to go, will be back later... to learn more...

it was NIGHT, there, so i sure hope we don't find out,
there was huge loss of life, :(
hope the folks, were spared all the worse, that could have happened...
:(

i just got on line, so i don't have an update, for anyone...
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Sep 8, 2017 - 09:35am PT
Awwwwwwwww, my 8.1 was downgraded to a 7.8. To be honest a 7.8 was good enough for me. But there is a huge list in Wikipedia Neebee


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes


tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Sep 8, 2017 - 10:47am PT
Some good info here RE Middle America trench tectonics...

Yellow triangles represent active volcanoes
Red dots represent earthquakes 1900-2010 < 70 km
Green dots represent earthquakes 1900-2010 from 70 to 300 km

https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2010/1083/a/

StefanS

Trad climber
Leavenworth WA
Sep 8, 2017 - 11:28am PT
The town of Juchitan was hit hard. Its a sweet little town. Best wishes as they begin to recover.

Was in a 7 down there about 15 years ago. It was an up and down quake so not much damage, still it was spooky.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
hey there say, skcreidc... thank you, so much for the share...

will take a look...


hope folks are getting through this okay...
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Sep 9, 2017 - 06:10am PT
Still a pretty big one.

That Farallone plate is like a bad penny.

tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Sep 10, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
the largest earthquake on the planet in 2 years...

http://seismo.berkeley.edu/blog/index.html

To describe the workings of these huge temblors seismologists have coined the phrase "megathrust earthquake." They work like this: While the oceanic plate - in our two cases the Nazca and the Cocos plates - dives into the Earth's mantle, the friction of the downwards movement deforms the leading edge of the opposing plate severely. The diving plate even tries to drag the upper plate along for the ride, into the depths of the mantle. But instead of following the downward movement, the plate on the continental side resists this move. As a consequence it accumulates an enormous amount of mechanical stress. At one point - and nobody can say exactly when - this stress overcomes the friction between the two plates and the deformed leading edge of the plate thrusts upward in a giant earthquake. This sudden thrust movement is very big, hence the name megathrust quake.

However, the recent Chiapas earthquake was an extensional, not compressional, earthquake mechanism.
...it danced to a very different beat. There, the leading edge of the plate on the continental side of the subduction zone is not the only place where deformation and stress accumulate.The diving plate itself is bent severely on its way down. This bending also causes a large amount of internal stress. At one point the internal forces which hold the subducting plate together are overcome by this stress and the plate breaks. The resulting movement is not a thrusting snap upward, but an internal slip downward in the direction of the earth's mantle. It is extremely rare that this kind of so called "normal faulting" within a downgoing plate gets so large that it generates a quake of a magnitude of more than 8, leading to the strongest earthquake which has struck Mexico in at least a century.

More info here RE casualties...
https://earthquake-report.com/2017/09/08/massive-earthquake-near-coast-of-chiapas-mexico-on-september-8-2017/
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2017 - 10:33pm PT
hey there, say, tuolumne_tradster...

as to your quote:

the largest earthquake on the planet in 2 years...

THERE you go... that is what i was trying to 'remember' and trying to
speak about...


only 'every so often' do these happen...

and, here one it... 'largest in 2 years' ...


(think, maybe i had read that something THIS large only happens once?
a year, -- or so... )...

thanks for helping me remember, better, what i had heard...
:)
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2017 - 11:27pm PT
hey there say... finally got to look for an update...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexican-quake-death-toll-rises-90-oaxaca-reports-052447749.html
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Sep 11, 2017 - 09:31am PT
What is interesting about this particular earthquake is that it was not a typical megathrust earthquake that occur in subduction zones. Generally, the large earthquakes (> 6M) in these tectonic settings are compressional earthquakes where the over riding continental plate's relative motion across the fault plane is upward relative to the descending plate. According to UC Berkeley seismologists, this was an extensional, not compressional, earthquake where the over riding plate relative motion was downward not upward. This earthquake appears to have originated at about 67 km within the descending Cocos plate as it breaks apart and descends into the mantle. Generally extensional focal mechanism earthquakes do not generate such large amounts of energy, > 8M.

tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Sep 11, 2017 - 11:52am PT
DMT

I know this looks like a bunch of beach balls but each of those beachballs represents a focal mechanism (blue = compressional & red = extensional) for an earthquake located along a cross-section perpendicular to the middle america trench near where the recent Chiapas earthquake occurred. In the 30 to 100 kilometer depth range, a phase transition from predominantly basalt to eclogite occurs in the descending plate. Eclogite (pyroxene + garnet) is denser than the surrounding mantle, so the plate starts to break up and sink. Note the transition of compressional to extensional earthquake mechanisms at about this depth in the cross section. This is known as "Slab Pull" which is considered to be the primary mechanism that drives modern plate tectonics. What seismologists found unusual is the amount of energy generated by this extensional focal mechanism, intra-plate earthquake.


Here's what Eclogite looks like...

More info can be found on Jay Patton's website...
http://earthjay.com/

and the UC Berkeley Seismoblog site...
http://seismo.berkeley.edu/blog/index.html
It is extremely rare that this kind of so called "normal faulting" within a downgoing plate gets so large that it generates a quake of a magnitude of more than 8, leading to the strongest earthquake which has struck Mexico in at least a century.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Sep 11, 2017 - 08:11pm PT
While California still hasn't implemented an earthquake early warning alert system, Mexico City's system, the 1st of its kind in the world, gave the public 60-90 seconds warning to get to a safe place before the shaking began...

The United States Geological Survey and a coalition of partners has been developing a similar alert system for the past decade called ShakeAlert, but it won’t be operational until there’s funding to install the full network of sensors.

In 2016, Congress allocated $10 million for the early warning system, with the state of California kicking in an additional $10 million. But earlier this year, the $38 million needed to get the system up and running was slashed from the federal budget. (It now seems like funding may be allocated as planned—pending budget approval.)

https://la.curbed.com/2017/9/8/16276982/mexico-earthquake-early-warning-system

https://www.wired.com/story/mexico-city-earthquake-alert/
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2017 - 12:35am PT
hey there say, tuolumne_tradster...
wow, this is very interesting... had never heard of this...

will go read... have to wait until tomorrow, though...

thanks for sharing... :)

(meaning the warning sys.) ...
but, say, thanks for the diagrams and info... wow... :O
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2017 - 09:27pm PT
hey there, say, DMT... GOOD for you, to put this here... sometimes, we need to see the RELATIONSHIPS of these, when looking back...

thank you... i just now, saw our new post, too...

good job...

prayers for all those folks... :(
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