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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 4, 2017 - 06:46pm PT
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Interesting argument though my first question is where do the prognosticators think the juice for 300,000,000 vehicles will come from. But anyway take a look
https://shift.newco.co/amp/p/38b843bd4fe0
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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not so long ago, one could get a V8
now V6 or even inline 6 are rare
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2017 - 07:26pm PT
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Yea... but not so long ago I remember reading about peak oil and the collapse of civilization. Sometimes the best of them get it wrong. ha
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID
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Talk without an aim or action is like masturbation.
Have a nice time with that.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Al Gore just ain't up to that sort of heavy lifting.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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The wiki article states that at some point extracting oil will not be profitable and nations will cut back on oil usage slowing economic growth...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Who will then provide oil for the lamps of China?
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2017 - 04:58am PT
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Did anyone read the article? I see some flaws in his reasoning but ztill interesting. In short...the world will move quickly to self-driving electric cars. He doesn't discuss where all that electricity will come from.... but that's another thread. :)
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Adventurer
Mountain climber
Virginia
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Recently, Volvo announced that after 2019 the company will no longer manufacture gasoline or diesel powered cars. All Volvo cars thereafter will be fully electric.
Of course, it will take many more years for all other manufacturers to follow suit and to phase out all gas powered cars. BUT, it will happen!
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Not in my lifetime.
Definitely not in yours;-)
Third world just getting a real taste for it. Vast world supply.
Planetary environmental issues will come to a head before dwindling oil supplies
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Something has to spin the generators. All of the hydro in the U.S. is already built. Peak Uranium is 40 years out at present rates of consumption. Solar and Wind are the only areas of growth. Coal vs. Natural gas is in a dogfight with NG replacing Coal in retrofitted plants. Regardless, I don't see the transition going without a really big boost to the grid.
Here's the Volvo link:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/business/energy-environment/volvo-hybrid-electric-car.html
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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wind powered grinders feeding solar repaving machines without fresh tar?
how many batteries to ship our cardboard to china to be refashioned into cardboard?
no contrails behind battery powered airliners! ... just how far away is hawaii in post oil terms?
the world gets big again, plastic less ubiquitous. these ARE the good old days, other than our carbon stomp to the planet's neck
... and from my great grandma to (other people's) great great grandkids on the ground today,
to think that i laid eyes on roughly speaking every generation to participate in
the great carbon conflagration of the late, late holocene. it's remarkable
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Adventurer
Mountain climber
Virginia
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I think hobo-dan is correct and I agree that there are many more uses for gas and diesel that will continue for decades to come. However, it is clear that we will see a major transition from gas/diesel powered cars to all electric in the next twenty years or so. This transition will definitely impact oil production and retail sales which in turn will also impact oil producing nations.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Solar Power is now the cheapest power to build.
zero new coal, oil or nuclear power plants are being constructed in this country
this is one reason there is Koch Bro war on solar, it's sinking their obscene profits
you can power your electric car off a roof top solar array,
store the power in batteries and transfer it to the battery in your car at night
as noted above, petroleum products will always have a demand
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zBrown
Ice climber
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ol is ol unless of course it's detergent
but clearly all the electricity will come from the Hoover dam and/or ElectricLadyLand - i got this from a guy who knows a guy who works there
Electricity is a secondary energy source, meaning it is generated from the conversion of primary sources of energy, such as fossil fuels (coal, natural gas and oil), nuclear power and renewable sources (wind, hydro, solar, geothermal).
Make electricity great again.*
* I receive no royalties from China
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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I see some flaws in his reasoning but ztill interesting.
The way the Russians produce oil, they will never run out.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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you can power your electric car off a roof top solar array,
store the power in batteries and transfer it to the battery in your car at night
Do you know one person who could afford to put those batteries in their home?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Al
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