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Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 13, 2016 - 12:57pm PT
Listen to today's speech by Michelle Obama and tell me, if you're a man, that you're not at least a little ashamed in some small part for the legacy of abuse by men perpetuated upon women throughout human history. Some day misogyny, sexism, and sexual assault will no longer have a part in politics, corporations, leadership, parenting, adulthood, or even as a characteristic of our species.

Get on the bus riding towards helping to reform that kind of behavior in our society and join the ranks of those progressive enough to understand the meaning of equal human rights, or say goodbye to your membership card as a human being. The viability of a Donald Trump type candidacy must end and the people that support those like him display a gross disregard for intelligence, family, and all human integrity. Validation in any form of the abuse of women by our country sends a message around the world that it's OK to continue the kind of behavior that is exhibited by terrorists, despots, and common criminals.

-Tim Sorenson
Elk Grove, California
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Oct 13, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
Violence against women and girls is a problem of pandemic proportions. At least one out of every three women around the world has been beaten, coerced into sex, or otherwise abused in her lifetime with the abuser usually someone known to her


GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 13, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
I think it's terrible that women are suffering injustices all over the world and I think it's stupid to wear guilt because someone that looks like you did a bad thing.
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 13, 2016 - 01:45pm PT
Keep a good [clear] head and always carry a light bulb
-Nobel Laureate Dylan

Don't forget to turn it on and shine a light
-mfm or one of those Flames Throwers

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 13, 2016 - 03:15pm PT
I think it's stupid to wear guilt because someone that looks like you did a bad thing.

Nobody asked you to wear guilt. But it is all of our duty to strive for equality and justice for all.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 13, 2016 - 03:20pm PT
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Oct 13, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
Ok
I was running around yesterday and grabbing what I could of the Good, it passes quick
I was not trying to come off so Flip.
I the Dad Of TWO
THAT
is all I do
DO and DO
for them
And as I've implied
we have very little
we have less than most of you
Im not a fool although I play one on TV
if the !st lady's speech was followed with actions
Too
To call out all the * she adheres her self to it would ring more true
YES
I agree that He who we don't name is
A VERY BAD ACTOR
'don't name' is a known quantity
He has been in my vicinity
Ive seen him musch up on girls half his age
it was obscene the surge led to his removal
It made people scream at him to stop .
those that have
have had to drop and give the man 20
So
We have a history in this country of electing the worst not best player
repetitively
Im scared My wife is to
You all should be scared too.
WE have only to look at the Bullrings
and we have to see
WE empower them
DWAIN
IM talking" right at you
Please think of your daughter
when you vote to elect a man who would force himself
on women
because he could,
can
HAS
and still does
IT is not that I'm pro Hitlery Im not
but stop
do not invoke and elect
DO not vote for Putins Man
A dick tater
brain and braun will loose the
few freedom we imagine that , we think we still have
If you are penniless
you are owned
never free
I had to leave and not post a serious post as to what is and is not
In the 1st ladies speech
One of the most heart-felt and really impressive speeches I've heard
I listend to it three times through
and again on Rachel Madow's show
Then I heard What Krauthammer said
He, a chair bound Jew, victim of anti-semitism,
they thought it was funny to tell the jew boy to dive into an empty pool
He is fully against Don't Name TOOI've got to go...
and did not read much
not much more than who and something about Little Boys. . .
Ive got to say,
As Penance, you have stated down this road,
and so you deserve at least this much

RAZZZZ al dazzle!!!
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Oct 13, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
BY CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

WASHINGTON

The second presidential debate – bloody, muddy and raucous – was just enough to save Donald Trump’s campaign from extinction, but not enough to restore his chances of winning, barring an act of God (a medical calamity) or of Putin (a cosmically incriminating WikiLeak).

That Trump crashed because of a sex-talk tape is odd. It should have been a surprise to no one. His views on women have been on open display for years. And he’d offered a dazzling array of other reasons for disqualification: habitual mendacity, pathological narcissism, profound ignorance and an astonishing dearth of basic human empathy.

To which list Trump added in the second debate, and it had nothing to do with sex. It was his threat, if elected, to put Hillary Clinton in jail.

After appointing a special prosecutor, of course. The niceties must be observed. First, a fair trial, then a proper hanging. The day after the debate at a rally in Pennsylvania, Trump responded to chants of “lock her up,” with “Lock her up is right.” Two days later, he told a rally in Lakeland, Florida, “She has to go to jail.”

Such incendiary talk is an affront to elementary democratic decency and a breach of the boundaries of American political discourse. In democracies, the electoral process is a subtle and elaborate substitute for combat, the age-old way of settling struggles for power. But that sublimation only works if there is mutual agreement to accept both the legitimacy of the result (which Trump keeps undermining with charges that the very process is “rigged”) and the boundaries of the contest.

The prize for the winner is temporary accession to limited political power, not the satisfaction of vendettas. Vladimir Putin, Hugo Chavez and a cavalcade of two-bit caudillos lock up their opponents. American leaders don’t.

One doesn’t even talk like this. It takes decades, centuries, to develop ingrained norms of political restraint and self-control. But they can be undone in short order by a demagogue feeding a vengeful populism.

This is not to say that the investigation into the Clinton emails was not itself compromised by politics. FBI director James Comey’s recommendation not to pursue charges was both troubling and puzzling. And Barack Obama very improperly tilted the scales by interjecting, while the investigation was still underway, that Clinton’s emails had not endangered national security.

But the answer is not to start a new process whose outcome is preordained. Conservatives have relentlessly, and correctly, criticized this administration for abusing its power and suborning the civil administration (e.g., the IRS). Is the Republican response to do the same?

Wasn’t presidential overreach one of the major charges against Obama by the anti-establishment GOP candidates? Wasn’t the animating spirit of the entire tea party movement the restoration of constitutional limits and restraints?

In America, we don’t persecute political opponents. Which is why we retroactively honor Gerald Ford for his pardon of Richard Nixon, for which, at the time, Ford was widely reviled. It ultimately cost him the presidency. Nixon might well have been convicted. But Ford understood that jailing a president for actions carried out in the context of his official duties would threaten the very civil nature of democratic governance.

What makes Trump’s promise to lock her up all the more alarming is that it’s not an isolated incident. This is not the first time he’s insinuated using the powers of the presidency against political enemies. He has threatened Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, owner of The Washington Post, for using the newspaper “as a tool for political power against me and other people. … We can’t let him get away with it.”

With exercising free political speech?

Trump has gone after others with equal subtlety. “I hear,” he tweeted, “the Rickets sic family, who own the Chicago Cubs, are secretly spending $’s against me. They better be careful, they have a lot to hide!”

He also promises to “open up” libel laws to permit easier prosecution of those who attack him unfairly. Has he ever conceded any attack on him to be fair?

This election is not just about placing the nuclear codes in Trump’s hands. It’s also about handing him the instruments of civilian coercion, such as the IRS, the FBI, the FCC, the SEC. Think of what he could do to enforce the “fairness” he demands. Imagine giving over the vast power of the modern state to a man who says in advance that he will punish his critics and jail his opponent.

The Washington Post Writers Group

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article108029637.html#storylink=cpy[photoid=474402]


ALSO Checkout What Krugman has to say on don't names economics' comprehension!!!?
Captain...or Skully

climber
Boise, ID
Oct 13, 2016 - 03:28pm PT
Right on, Tim. And right on, Michelle, too.
john hansen

climber
Oct 13, 2016 - 04:22pm PT
Michelle Obama is a powerful speaker, because she really believes what she is saying.

The other thing is that Trump really can't attack her. She has too much integrity.

It will be interesting to see what happens when he does.

You know he won't be able to resist..he is off the leash..
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Oct 13, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
^^^^ Right on, Tim.
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Oct 13, 2016 - 06:09pm PT
The world would be a better place, by far, if we could instantly replace every male leader of every state with a capable female from that state (not related to the current ruling family, ideally). It almost seems trite. I truly believe this even though some of my best friends are male (but not my best friend).

Countries that don't include their female population in decision-making and commerce will always be behind and be a drag on the economy of the world at large. This seems obvious to me.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 13, 2016 - 06:42pm PT
Michele Obama is a bit of a hypocrite to only voice this against DT. While she has rappers in the White House who treat women equally poorly, if not worse? DT has never been accused of rape of physical abuse.

The Obamas parade much worse characters through their White House. It's a bunch of phony outrage. Nothing more.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 13, 2016 - 07:08pm PT
bluering!

A ST high-point for you, was admitting you are an idiot a few nights back on St.

Your above post marks another low:

Michele Obama is a bit of a hypocrite to only voice this against DT. While she has rappers in the White House who treat women equally poorly, if not worse? DT has never been accused of rape of physical abuse.

By the way, you write rappers?? I think you mean rapists?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 13, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
I guess you missed the rape case of his that is going to trial?

13 yo girl.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit

There is nothing there.

Ever the one about Hillary getting a rapist off after beating and raping a 12 old girl? And then bragging about it?

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/08/hillary-clinton-refuses-to-apologize-for-laughing-about-12-year-old-rape-victim-she-maligned-in-court/

I know you're aware of it. But it doesn't matter if Hillary gets rapists off and mocks the 12 yr old victim, right?

That's different, right?

What don't we delve into the current realities instead of the past nastiness? Is it relevant? Ask yourself that about BOTH candidates.


Fritz, I meant rappers who are rapists and wife-beaters.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 13, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
Bushman! Thank you for this thread & your thoughts on Michelle Obama's speech.

I've been lucky in life. I grew up in a household with a strong & intelligent mother, and I have always respected women for their intelligence & abilities.

I'm sorry for the woman-haters out there.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 13, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
I've been lucky in life. I grew up in a household with a strong & intelligent mother, and I have always respected women for their intelligence & abilities.


Oh, spare me!!!!

Are you forgetting about all the women who have worked their way up through Trump Corp and applaud him, for legit performance on the job? No let's forget that.

Let's forget women that Hillary has maligned and destroyed.

You people are such gullible idiots!!!

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 13, 2016 - 07:36pm PT
Michele Obama is a bit of a hypocrite to only voice this against DT. While she has rappers in the White House who treat women equally poorly, if not worse? DT has never been accused of rape of physical abuse.


ohh yeah I mentioned that a few days ago..

Remember when Chris Brown beat up Rhianna?
It was news for about a day and then I see the left praising him on their music awards not long after




she Michelle needs to be grabbed by the POON

OHH!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Oct 13, 2016 - 07:40pm PT
Violence against women and girls is a problem of pandemic proportions. At least one out of every three women around the world has been beaten, coerced into sex, or otherwise abused in her lifetime with the abuser usually someone known to her

Yeah, we should go ahead and pass more gun control to give more rapists a government guarantee that their prey will be unarmed.

Thanks Bushman for offering up the opportunity to make a thread both political and gun control based all wrapped into one.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 13, 2016 - 07:42pm PT
You're making illegitimate comparisons, Steve. Anyone with a brain finds Hillary to be undeserving of sympathy.She does play the game by the rules though and this has nothing to do with what's right, only what's legal. (Logic Vs. Philosophy)

I find it arguable that Hillary 'plays by the rules'. And so once e-mails start to confirm how much of a liar she is, a picture begins to confirm in logic what was only philosophy was before. The veneer is being pulled back, so to speak.

We are getting more and more glimpses of Hillary that are starting to confirm the prior mere rhetoric of the 'vast right-wing conspiracy'.

These progressive as#@&%e sophists twist the English language into a pretzel of illogic nonsense. Words mean the opposite of what they used to mean. SOund familiar?

So lay off of Michelle Obama. She's the only glimpse of daylight in an American election centered on darkness and sexual misconduct.


I will not 'let off' Michele. If she wants to spout her hyprcritical crap, she can. I can criticise it AND FACT CHECK IT! She's a public figure making, IMO, foolish statements.

Is that still okay?
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