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clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 8, 2016 - 06:52am PT
Math is racist: How data is driving inequality
by Aimee Rawlins @aimeerawlins
September 6, 2016: 5:24 PM ET


It's no surprise that inequality in the U.S. is on the rise. But what you might not know is that math is partly to blame.
In a new book, "Weapons of Math Destruction," Cathy O'Neil details all the ways that math is essentially being used for evil (my word, not hers).
From targeted advertising and insurance to education and policing, O'Neil looks at how algorithms and big data are targeting the poor, reinforcing racism and amplifying inequality.
These "WMDs," as she calls them, have three key features: They are opaque, scalable and unfair.
Denied a job because of a personality test? Too bad -- the algorithm said you wouldn't be a good fit. Charged a higher rate for a loan? Well, people in your zip code tend to be riskier borrowers. Received a harsher prison sentence? Here's the thing: Your friends and family have criminal records too, so you're likely to be a repeat offender. (Spoiler: The people on the receiving end of these messages don't actually get an explanation.)
The models O'Neil writes about all use proxies for what they're actually trying to measure. The police analyze zip codes to deploy officers, employers use credit scores to gauge responsibility, payday lenders assess grammar to determine credit worthiness. But zip codes are also a stand-in for race, credit scores for wealth, and poor grammar for immigrants.
weapons math destruction author
Cathy O'Neil
O'Neil, who has a PhD in mathematics from Harvard, has done stints in academia, at a hedge fund during the financial crisis and as a data scientist at a startup. It was there -- in conjunction with work she was doing with Occupy Wall Street -- that she become disillusioned by how people were using data.
"I worried about the separation between technical models and real people, and about the moral repercussions of that separation," O'Neill writes.
She started blogging -- at mathbabe.org -- about her frustrations, which eventually turned into "Weapons of Math Destruction."
One of the book's most compelling sections is on "recidivism models." For years, criminal sentencing was inconsistent and biased against minorities. So some states started using recidivism models to guide sentencing. These take into account things like prior convictions, where you live, drug and alcohol use, previous police encounters, and criminal records of friends and family.
These scores are then used to determine sentencing.
"This is unjust," O'Neil writes. "Indeed, if a prosecutor attempted to tar a defendant by mentioning his brother's criminal record or the high crime rate in his neighborhood, a decent defense attorney would roar, 'Objection, Your Honor!'"
But in this case, the person is unlikely to know the mix of factors that influenced his or her sentencing -- and has absolutely no recourse to contest them.
Or consider the fact that nearly half of U.S. employers ask potential hires for their credit report, equating a good credit score with responsibility or trustworthiness.
This "creates a dangerous poverty cycle," O'Neil writes. "If you can't get a job because of your credit record, that record will likely get worse, making it even harder to work."
weapons math destruction
This cycle falls along racial lines, she argues, given the wealth gap between black and white households. This means African Americans have less of a cushion to fall back on and are more likely to see their credit slip.
And yet employers see a credit report as data rich and superior to human judgment -- never questioning the assumptions that get baked in.
Related: Milwaukee's staggering black-white economic divide
In a vacuum, these models are bad enough, but O'Neil emphasizes, "they're feeding on each other." Education, job prospects, debt and incarceration are all connected, and the way big data is used makes them more inclined to stay that way.
"Poor people are more likely to have bad credit and live in high-crime neighborhoods, surrounded by other poor people," she writes. "Once ... WMDs digest that data, it showers them with subprime loans or for-profit schools. It sends more police to arrest them and when they're convicted it sentences them to longer terms."
In turn, a new set of WMDs uses this data to charge higher rates for mortgages, loans and insurance.
So, you see, it's easy to be discouraged.
And yet O'Neil is hopeful, because people are starting to pay attention. There's a growing community of lawyers, sociologists and statisticians committed to finding places where data is used for harm and figuring out how to fix it.
She's optimistic that laws like HIPAA and the Americans with Disabilities Act will be modernized to cover and protect more of your personal data, that regulators like the CFPB and FTC will increase their monitoring, and that there will be standardized transparency requirements.
Related: Inequality is widening, even in real estate
And then there's the fact that these models actually have so much potential.
Imagine if you used recidivist models to provide the at-risk inmates with counseling and job training while in prison. Or if police doubled down on foot patrols in high crime zip codes -- working to build relationships with the community instead of arresting people for minor offenses.
You might notice there's a human element to these solutions. Because really that's the key. Algorithms can inform and illuminate and supplement our decisions and policies. But to get not-evil results, humans and data really have to work together.
"Big Data processes codify the past," O'Neil writes. "They do not invent the future. Doing that requires moral imagination, and that's something only humans can provide."

Welcome the land of opportunity and branding. Good article.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 8, 2016 - 07:31am PT
No way that yellow route is 5.10. 5.11 maybe....

The Black route on the other hand is easy for 5.10...
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2016 - 07:37am PT
Barry Bates sucked at math.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 8, 2016 - 07:40am PT
So now the gubmint is gonna have to build handicap math ramps everywhere?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 8, 2016 - 07:40am PT
Zip code = math?

I hope Prof Rawlins isn't an English professor.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Sep 8, 2016 - 08:01am PT
Chaz posted
Zip code = math?

I hope Prof Rawlins isn't an English professor.

This is a perfect example of our mass delusion of defensiveness. No attempt to comprehend, no attempt to read deeper, no acknowledge of the possibility of truth. Just an oversimplified attack on the premise and the intelligence of the author. Literally "if I can dismiss this out of hand then I do not need to acknowledge the possibility that this is real which would threaten my worldview."
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 8, 2016 - 08:12am PT
Goes to the old saw about math and bombs not always mixing well with others.

Notice Ted wasn't wearing cowboy boots, but he didn't complain about it.


EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 8, 2016 - 08:50am PT
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NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Sep 8, 2016 - 08:58am PT
Interesting to identify the problems, but practical solutions seem buried in the details of improving the math models. Giving up math is not the right approach- it would drive up costs to the point where the infrastructure couldn't bear it to have humans spending more time for each field where the math models are used.

Another challenge is that models may be unfair for individuals, not capture the nuances of a situation, but when applied across a population they are effective in representing overall outcomes. Maybe the real challenge here is about how math should be applied, how to formulate the right questions, and how to interpret statistical results.

Very few people can do his effectively, and it is a failing of college-level humanities programs, let along high school education. Heck, probably many people with a B.S. degree in science or engineering still have problems with this.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Sep 8, 2016 - 09:12am PT
Algorithms are only as good as the people who write them. There is a lot of bias built in. I would not call that a "math" problem, I'd call it a people problem.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 8, 2016 - 09:13am PT
in conjunction with work she was doing with Occupy Wall Street

All you need to know here.

This is an example of what is often referred to as " the totalitarian mentality" in which all of social existence, the totalality of life, is subsumed by political considerations. Even the way you eat, brush your teeth, or flush the commode can be deliberately construed to contain elements of class warfare and oppression directed towards others.

Sorry for that bit of " micro-agression" on my part.

A re-education camp is certainly somewhere in my future.
Will they have math classes there?

We now know who will teach those classes.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Sep 8, 2016 - 09:17am PT
Some people like to receive input, look for parts of it that apply to reality, and use that to make their model of reality more accurate.

Others like to receive input, look for a way to discredit it, and hold on to their existing view of reality.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 8, 2016 - 09:32am PT
I'm gonna show this to my black friend who grew up on a share crop farm in Alabama. He
might not have time to read it given the stack of medical journals he has to wade through.
Maybe my Indian friend who grew up in a house with dirt floors and never used a telephone
until he was 16 might be able to relate. I know he didn't have a lot of time to feel oppressed
and 'inequal' while he was getting his MD and PhDs.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Sep 8, 2016 - 09:43am PT
Now Reilly you're abusing the opposite extreme- citing individual anomalies to make your point rather than relying on population averages.

Somewhere in the middle there is a way to understand general trends and *correlations* (which may or may not have causal relationships) and use that as a background for incorporating individual case information to make more targeted decisions.

Even as I write that I am in doubt though... Using the correlations as background info is what happens with racial profiling by law enforcement and it is widely discredited by lovers of human rights.

Not an easy problem to solve.

One good place to start would be to focus more on causative factors rather than correlative factors. But determining causal relationships that accurately predict individual human behavior is not practical, given free will and an infinite set of confounding variables.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Sep 8, 2016 - 10:19am PT
What a dumb loser. Everyone gets a trophy. The use of statistics and algorithms to distribute wealth and opportunity goes all the way to the top of society and big business - it doesn't just effect the poor.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Sep 8, 2016 - 10:38am PT
Your Mom is racist and driving miss Daisy.


MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Sep 8, 2016 - 10:53am PT
Every model / concept presents a bias.

On the other hand, algorithms are codified learning from experience.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Sep 8, 2016 - 11:00am PT
"It's not the math, it's the person using it"

NMA
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 8, 2016 - 11:23am PT
"Ganas is all you need. Ganas in my language means desire, but really it means more than that," Escalante said. "Ganas is commitment to success." He assured the crowd that all students can be successful if their teachers do their part to demand and encourage more from their students.

"A teacher must have the tenacity to persevere, the wisdom of Solomon, and the understanding of a saint. Above all, a teacher must have patience," Escalante said.

http://www.utpa.edu/news/2002/10/hestec-opens-with-1000-participants-on-math-and-educator-day.htm
Gorgeous George

Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
Sep 8, 2016 - 11:36am PT
Nut - I would posit a third interpretation, which is that MOST people look at data and reject that which conflicts with their beliefs, and remember ONLY the data that supports their beliefs.
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