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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 18, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
I've used a pair of original Fires, re-soled with C4, as my go-to off-width and long climbing shoe, but Mountain Gear has a very attractive price on TC Pros at the moment. I'm curious about their sizing. in particular, how much do they stretch? I wear a 7.5 - 8.0 street shoe, and am thinking about a 39.5 in TC Pros.

I would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.

John
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 02:20pm PT
I'm not sure if you own a pair of Miuras, but if you do, size the TC Pros a half size up from them. My street shoe size is 7.5-8 and I think my TCs are a 39.5.
nathanael

climber
CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 02:27pm PT
They stretch a hair, but not much. Less than 1/2 size in my experience. I sized up 1/2 size from my (tight) Miuras to have a snug shoe good with great edging. I would go up another 1/2 size to have something I can wear all day.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
You can stretch almost any one of these climbing shoes a least 1/2 larger (and wider) using shoe trees. Unfortunately for me, the TC Pros only go as large as 46 eu and my min is 48. But I know from friends who can fit in them that they do stretch.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:02pm PT
Tried them on....seemed a little clunky.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 03:56pm PT
I got some Tenaya velcro slippers that are pretty cool. We'll have to see how they hold up.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:23pm PT
Yeah, Charles, but most shoes change after their broken in. After 3-6 months of use.

I think that is where Johnny was heading with his sizing question.

I wear an 8.5-9 street shoe, more like 8.5. I bought size 8 Tenaya's for long-term comfort. We'll see how that works, I used them twice. Good shoe, still uncomfortable to wear for long periods.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jul 18, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
So funny Ive just today had a bit of a story that fits.
Im in need of stiff shoes. I saw a pair of 40.5 Tc Pros, for sale.
I asked and was told hey "no rush go try on a pair and get back to me".
Of course, I no sooner do so, - planning to go to the one Rock shop where that shoe is sold,
then I see a -PM sent- bump hit.
I pm'd but never bumped it on the site.
so in the way it goes,
the guy did not honor me - and sold the 40.5s.
( that half size? I regularly wear a to big 15 yr old blue, Kaukolator's sz40.5)
I think that a 39.5 might be to Tight .
I have a new pair of 'sportiva 'Focus', in a 39.5, one foot (my larger one) is way to tight.
My feet do have a 1/2 size discrepancy. (40 left, 39.5 right )
if I was going to try and convince the wife I need another pair of shoes size, I'd go for the size 40.

I've known some people to wear them that 1/2 size bigger, with socks, but I think the point of the shoe was an aggressive fit, a very close end to end fit no air space in front. & heels locked in.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 18, 2016 - 05:12pm PT
The TC Pro was my go-to shoe for 5 or 6 years. Here are a few observations.

I wear 9 1/2 or more often 10 in a street shoe and sized these down to Euro 42 or US-9.

 This size was a little tight at first, but stretched to be very comfortable--all day comfortable. I agree they should be sized 1/2 size larger than Miuras.

 The TC Pro may seem stiff/clunky when brand new, but they do not stay stiff for long. This may be important if you are looking for a truly stiff shoe.

 I like the XS Edge rubber. I resoled these with C4, but noticed no difference in performance.

Curt
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:05pm PT
I wear an 8.5-9 street shoe
38.5 mythos
39 Miuras
39 kaukulator
I have both 39.5 and 40 TC pro.
Will probablly go with 40 for the next (4th, pair. )
I climb in them about 80% of the time. I have two pair on their third resole. The newer ones, ~2014 on, climb narrow cracks better than the originals.

Hope that helps.

If you have wide feet you might look into the Evolv Astroman, I have 8 and 8.5's. My feet are narrow enough that I can't edge in them, and use them strictly for ow inverts, which they handle really well. The fit is very Similarto the Acopa JB's

They cost less, but are a much less technical shoe.still, if they fit?...
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Jul 18, 2016 - 07:19pm PT
I really love TC Pros. I wear the equivalent of 45-45.5 street shoes and one toe is a 1/4 size (American size) larger than the others. If I go without socks, my 44 size shoes are good for about 2-3 hours of continuous wear, but beyond that my toe starts hurting so much that it compromises my climbing. I prefer to climb with socks, particularly all day climbing. For this, I use my 45 size shoes. Perhaps I could go to 44.5 with socks, but I want all day comfort. As others have noted, these shoes really do not stretch much, so you should aim for the right size without considering stretching.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Jul 19, 2016 - 08:43am PT
good for about 15 pitches, then the Garbage can.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Jul 19, 2016 - 09:10am PT
I wonder about using short shoes. I've tried it but they never worked for me. The best shoes I ever had were street shoe sized Fires.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 10:08am PT
good for about 15 pitches, then the Garbage can.
Dude, cmon. While I thought they climbed pretty well out of the box (particularly when compared to the Miuras), at that point they should start feeling reallly dialed. I know mine do.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 10:15am PT
Thanks very much, all of you. I'm trying not to select my shoe sizes for TC Pros the way I did for EB's. I started out at 37, next pair 38, next pair 39. I do have a pair of 39.5 Katana Lace-ups that I love, but they lack the ankle protection I crave in off-widths. My gym had TC Pros in 39 and 40, but were missing 39.5's. The 40's were comfortable and useable right out of the box, but the construction made me think they'll stretch. At this point, I'm getting 39.5's, like my Katanas, and I'm pretty sure I'll be very happy with them.

John
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:06am PT
Nice John!


good for about 15 pitches, then the Garbage can.

Someone needs to work on their footwork, don't be embarssed, it happens, we all have flaws in our technique.....
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 19, 2016 - 11:55am PT
Jeff, if TC Pros are garbage for you after 15 pitches, what is your go-to shoe for performance and durability?

I haven't used TC Pros yet, but Mythos fit my feet perfectly and I always choose comfort over "performance" because I can't perform when my feet hurt. I struggle to find a good fit for my feet in other brands. Acopa JBs I wanted to love, but I tried 3 sizes and all were terrible for my feet shape. Any slippers with down-turned or curled toes are a non-starter for me.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Jul 19, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
Its not the shoe, it's the climbers ability period. Are you climbing 5.11 and 5.12 edging or crack routes. Not.


I only use one type of shoe for all climbing, 5.10 Moccasin's.

I do not edge, I smedge. Smear/Edge. 5.0 to 13b no problem.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 19, 2016 - 07:16pm PT
How's yer invert heel toe working out? You tape 'em on, or what? Never too late to expand your horizons...

If your focus, footwork, and experience are as limited as you say, why are you on this thread?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 08:04pm PT
Its not the shoe, it's the climbers ability period.

Nonsense! Climbing is just like golf. The secret is in the equipment.

John
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