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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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11 cops shot, 3 dead, several in critical condition. Seems like a pointless act of retribution for the Baton Rouge and Minneapolis shootings.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Hope this sh!t doesn't spread . . .
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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No sh!t. Not a big fan of LEOs in general, but this some crazy stuff.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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4th Officer has died.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Just what Hillary needs to go after semi-autos. Can you say, "G'day mate"?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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we will see what happens to gun right after this
If history provides any guidance, unfortunately nothing.
Curt
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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As a Chicagoan I have no problem saying recent technology advances have simply given citizens a means to shed light on institutional police behavior that's been going on forever.
Combine that with your basic hysterical second amendment rhetoric and proliferation of guns and just how it is that anyone could claim the Dallas shootings are anything but a legitimate militia action against an oppressive government is beyond me.
As far as I'm concerned, the fact this nation has been flooded with +300mil guns is a crime against humanity and a sign of a deeply-rooted societal pathology.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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As far as I'm concerned, the fact this nation has been flooded with +300mil guns is a crime against humanity.
Some people collect guns as a "hobby" or fear of street wars.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Ooh looky... another gun thread. Maybe y'all should just quit talking about them. The proliferation of these threads is a crime against this forum.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Why did this (horrific) shooting get it's own thread, but the (horrific) Minneapolis & Baton Rouge shootings didn't?
Just wondering.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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11 cops shot at once, and 4 dead for starters.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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No one could see this coming eventually? Kill enough people, and they start to fight back...and in this country at least, they have the means to do so. I'm not saying that it's right, but I'm anything but surprised.
We keep asking the Islamic community to stand up against their extremists. Maybe its time for the law enforcement community to start standing up against their own merry band of a-holes.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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I wonder if many talkers on the issue of guns and cop violence have been in an altercation with a gun involved...it is a stressful situation to be in when someone reportedly has a gun and may use it on you, unless you act. Self preservation kicks in and you do your best to save your life. Unfortunately situations like that cause some innocent civilians to lose their life. It is sad and those at fault must me judged by the jury. In no way anyone should feel the need to execute OTHER innocent officers on duty as a pay back. Aside from sharing the same field of work they are not responsible for the sad events. It is a very f*#ked up and sad day. Sorry to hear about it all...
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Vitaliy-
Well said.
I had a gun pointed at me many years ago at a remote campground in New Mexico by some locals. Not a good time but managed to talk my way out of it. I had no weapon to respond with.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Unfortunately situations like that cause some innocent civilians to lose their life.
Again, total horsesh#t and when did 'innocent civilians' become a euphemism for killing non-whites. There's nothing 'unfortunate' about it. If you grew up in Chicago, Boston, NY, Baltimore or Philly or a lot of other big cities - and you have an honest bone in your body - you'd admit institutional police violence and murder has been a way of life in those cities forever and the only thing different today is there are now cellphones with cameras and the internet to show white folk what has always been an oppressive day-to-day reality for non-whites. Unfortunate indeed.
Walking The Beat With An Unarmed Police Officer In Britain
More people were killed by police in the United States in the last month than were killed by police in England and Wales in the last 24 years. In the U.K., police officers don't carry guns...
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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No mention of the Dylan kid in Fresno who got the same treatment as the others who were the subject of the protest? Its no longer "confined" to "blacks". It seems it doesnt matter if youre black, white, green, purple, plaid or blank, youre still not safe.
"black lives matter" needs to become "life matters" because there is just a general lack of value of anyones life anymore be it from thugs, vandals, carrying or non-carrying citizens from any walk of life, or law enforcement. People in general seem to have this increasing theme of an underlying lack of value for life. Even their own lives.
F*#kin sad and infuriating.
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Unfortunately, I bet gun sales are booming with all this violence.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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The attitude or belief of "It is us and them" is the root of this. The responsible majority of law enforcement, minorities, and civilians are going to have to become a community and change our mindsets or this violence will continue to progress. All lives matter.
We can and will do this.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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"When people say 'black lives matter,' it doesn't mean blue lives don't matter. It just means that all lives matter. But right now, the big concern is the fact that data shows black folks are more vulnerable to these kinds of incidents."
President Barack Obama spoke following the officer-involved shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota.
It doesnt help to have a president fuel the fire..
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