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Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 22, 2016 - 09:29am PT
Hey ST Campers,

With the Cavs championship parade today, downtown Cleveland is on display. If you have ever wondered why there are so many Cleveland jokes, you can judge for yourself.

The Cavs are the people's team.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 22, 2016 - 09:42am PT
I can hear Cavs fans singin',
"It must be Christmastime."

Good museum, though.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jun 22, 2016 - 11:11am PT
I thought of you and Alistair Begg as consolation for this Warriors' fan. The Cavs won the series, more than the Warriors lost it. Congratuations.

John
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2016 - 11:34am PT
The population of the greater Cleveland area plus greater Akron is about 2.5 million. An estimated 1,000,000 of them are in downtown Cleveland, whose population is about 350,000. The parade is stuck--too many people. Not sure anyone cares. The Cavs players and all of their fans are having a great time.

little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Jun 22, 2016 - 12:05pm PT
I was born in Cleveland. One of my earliest childhood memories is seeing waves of dead fish wash up on our neighborhood beach. Went to my first major league basaeball game at that stadium (well, not that stadium, the one in the background by the lake. well, not that one either, but the one that used to be where that one is now). Never got to celebrate a championship though. Congrats to those still living in the mistake-by-the-lake.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jun 22, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
Congrats to those still living in the mistake-by-the-lake.

Now, now, little Z. How many cities can say they inspired a song entitled "Burn On, Big River."

John
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jun 22, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
Brother-in-law lives in Cleveland. We had to do a family visit one Thanksgiving, and will likely have more in the future (can you sense my excitement?). While at the airport rental car counter, the two young ladies working behind it look at my driver's license and say: "You're from Los Angeles. Why did you come HERE?"
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2016 - 01:17pm PT
Well, with last three posts, I am sorry that I started this thread. Cleveland's past is like a bad illness from which we recovered, but every time we see old friends they stand around and reminisce about how bad we looked when we sick. Doesn't matter how healthy we are now.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Jun 22, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
^^^^. I agree with you Roger. I grew up in Western Pa and we frequently went to Cleveland and Pittsburgh for sporting events. The two cities were in horrific decline. The rivers were sledge heaps which regularly caught on fire. We lived near Lake Erie and had to give some deep thought about the safety of swimming in it.

What is so unfortunate is that so little is known about their Renaissance except by people nearby. I know more about Pittsburgh than Cleveland but I know that both have had dramatic turnarounds. They have big city problems, like all large cities but they really turned things around. Neighborhoods have been revived, a lot of urban beauty and charm has been restored. Young professionals are living downtown again with wonderful restaurants and venues.

While I was rooting for GSW....my hometown was rooting for the Cavs so it's kind of a win win for me. Thanks for sharing about Cleveland. There really is a world beyond California.

Susan
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Jun 22, 2016 - 02:45pm PT
Sorry Roger. You're right, the Cleveland of my youth no longer exists. Went back there a few years ago when I was in Dayton for my mom's funeral. My brother and I drove up to see a ballgame and to visit the old neighborhood. We were impressed. That was my first visit back since we moved to Cincinnati in ´64. Looks like a place I'd love to live in and raise a family. I guess it was a good enough place to grow up in back then, although I mostly remember it as a good place to be "from"

Go Tribe, 2016! Tito is the man for the job.

the aforementioned beach, now free of floaters

the old homestead. Looks like some lesbian lives there now
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 22, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
As we used to say in South Berkeley and Berkeley proper:

"Power to the People"

It is pretty. Any truth to the rumour that P&G is contemplating a move to Cleveland?




Always want to check out the public library of a city, before judging it.





http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/ohio/cleveland/library/library2.html


If you want to look you'll have to copy and paste. ST doesn't like the tilde.

Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
Hi Susan,

Pittsburgh is beautiful. I went to graduate school at CMU in 1980-82 and Pittsburgh had just started to right itself. They started at The Point with the nice park and fountain. Now the whole downtown is revitalized, the scary areas along Penn Aveune up the Allegheny are now cool places with great restaurants and shops. The steel mills along the Monongahela were replaced by all the city's tech centers. And the bridges, like Cleveland's, are painted and pretty. Nice place.

Cleveland is sprawling outward to the east and west so the revitalization has started in the downtown, along the river, on the near west side and in University Circle. Now the stretch between the downtown and University Circle is building up. People who live in fancy places come here for jobs and then won't leave: it's too nice and they would have to reduce their standard of living.

Pittsburgh and Cleveland are lucky, as compared to Detroit for instance. While Pittsburg and Cleveland were getting to work, Detroit became a cesspool of bad politics. It too will come back--all of these areas are naturally beautiful, have good weather balance, are not disaster centers, have fresh water and centrally located: all the same reasons they became great cities to begin with.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 22, 2016 - 03:10pm PT
Throw in some life expectancy numbers and gang-gun numbers (popular on the ST):






Gang-related shootings underscore problem of retaliatory gun violence

September 03, 2015 at 11:30 AM, updated September 04, 2015 at 4:12 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio – A feud between two East Side street gangs has punctuated another Cleveland summer marred by gun violence.

Police attribute almost two-dozen shootings to the tension between the Broadway-Fleet area rivals. Investigators believe the battle began with a robbery of drugs and money in April that spawned one retaliatory shooting after another into August.

Retaliation shootings and a code of silence amongst the victims and perpetrators make these crimes particularly difficult for police to solve. The "I'll take care of it myself" attitude coupled with a proliferation of cheap guns on the streets have fueled an increase in the number of shootings in Cleveland and many other American cities.

Police and community leaders have tried many methods to quell the violence here, but little has proven effective. Gun-related assaults are higher than they've been in nearly a decade, and homicides are up this year as well.

It isn't a problem isolated to Cleveland. Cities from Baltimore to New Orleans are dealing with surging levels of gun violence.

'They are at war with each other'

The feud between the Broadway Boys and Fleet Boys boiled over about 2 a.m. April 5, at a birthday party at the Big Boss Lounge -- a now-defunct bar at East 71st street and Harvard Avenue.

Investigators believe the shooting was provoked by a robbery of a massive amount of drugs. Whatever the reason, it sparked a string of retaliatory gun fights and a firebombing that put more than a dozen people in the hospital, including two children, and left three dead over the next four months, multiple law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation said.

Antwowine Palmer, 22, got into a heated argument with a bartender at the Big Boss Lounge right before the shooting, according to a police report. If that name sounds familiar, it is because Palmer was arrested last week in connection with a string of armed robberies in Tremont.

Palmer, along with Kenneth Jackson Jr., Tervon'tae Taylor, D'wan Dillard and Calvin Rembert, face dozens of charges in connection with a string of carjackings in the popular West Side neighborhood connected to Broadway by Interstate 490. The men are all members of the Broadway Boys, according to court documents filed this week.

But on that night in April, three men fired shots into a crowd assembled outside the bar seconds after Palmer left. The commotion sent bartenders and customers beneath their tables. The crowd outside scattered. The gunmen ran toward Harvard Avenue as someone in the crowd returned fire. One man ran inside the bar, bleeding from a bullet wound and pleading for help. Friends dropped off three other men at MetroHealth Medical Center. Each of the four men who took bullets at the Big Boss Lounge shooting hailed from the Fleet neighborhood.

And none of them would talk to police.

"They are at war with each other," said a source involved in the investigation but not authorized to speak publicly.




Police have accused two groups of men and women in a violent, summer-long feud in and around the city's Slavic Village neighborhood. Though each person pictured here faces gun-related charges, they have also been victims of gun violence.



http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/09/gang-related_shootings_undersc_1.html
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jun 22, 2016 - 04:32pm PT
hey there say, roger... nice to see this, that you shared with us...

say, my MOM, JUST CALLED her sister, that day, to 'ask her'--


soooooooooooooo... is there a PARADE going on, :))


they are from cleveland, ohio, yep...


i was born in garfield heights, but never lived there, or, in cleveland long:
our dad moved us, later to (two nearby states) but actually then
moved us to CALIFORNIA... where, we all got established, in one way or another...


:)


she was glad for cleveland, though, she is not a 'game watcher' per-say...
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2016 - 06:05pm PT
Holy Moly, z, I had better buy a plot, sell my stuff and work on my bucket list. Do you have the same information for the Bay Area or LA or other cool places to live?
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jun 22, 2016 - 06:15pm PT
Sorry Roger. My visits are equal part dealing with in-law family dynamics (awkward) with some sight seeing throw in. We enjoyed Little Italy, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Chagrin Falls. Terrific museum of art too, far better than one would expect and as good as say, the Norton Simon here in LA. Givem my experience with the rental car ladies, there definitely seems to be a love-hate thing going on with some of the locals as well.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 22, 2016 - 06:17pm PT
Wait, no riots? Then it didn't happen.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 22, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
Roger: Don't be going all hasty on me, I thought you were only about 45-50. :)



I did not notice the heavy black line in the County graph, which apparently delineates Cleveland, till now.

I'm wondering how many miles wide the county is and why the eastern half seems to have much higher life expectancy.

The more I look at that graph the more confusing it becomes. I think I have to go back and read the page it appeared on.

May be best to just ignore it for now.Quote Here


On to the bigger picture.

The results for L.A. & Bay area appear to be not dissimilar to the Ohio (statistical significance unknown and the county data above are aggregated, anyone have data on the relative distribution of males and females in Cuyahoga. I know Chrissie Hynde left).




Here's the entire U.S. (2007) Females only (top) (I'm assuming lesbian Subaru owners are included). Males (could include some Subaru drivers) (bottom).




My intuitive feel is that California gang activity "Trumps" Ohio's.


Not about Ohio or California, but check out the big blue areas for both F&M in Colorado.



I'd like to substitute this for the smiley symbol above.



Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jun 22, 2016 - 06:43pm PT
Always want to check out the public library of a city, before judging it.

They also have one of the top orchestras in the world.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Jun 22, 2016 - 07:02pm PT
right you are Gary. Another childhood memory was my folks taking us to hear, and see, the orchestra, directed by George Szell. It made a life-long impression.
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