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clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 13, 2016 - 06:27am PT
In 20 years or so, which is 30,000 years sooner than previously projected.

Stephen Hawking wants to send tiny space probes to the stars
'Nanocraft' would explore Alpha Centauri

UPDATED 4:46 AM PDT Apr 13, 2016


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(CNN) —Imagine hundreds of spacecraft the size of a butterfly, propelled by light beams at record-shattering speeds and journeying to distant stars 4.37 light years away -- far deeper into space than human-built probes have ever ventured.

It's arguably the most ambitious space exploration project in history, and it may not be completed in our lifetimes.

But if anyone can pull it off, it's these guys.

Some of the world's most brilliant minds, including physicist Stephen Hawking and Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, are behind a $100 million program to send tiny "nanocraft" to explore Alpha Centauri, our nearest star system.

"Today, we commit to this next great leap into the cosmos," Hawking said alongside billionaire entrepreneur Yuri Milner at a press conference Tuesday in New York. "Because we are human, and our nature is to fly."

Hawking, Milner and Zuckerberg make up the board of directors for the mission, which is called Breakthrough Starshot and seeks to apply Silicon Valley ingenuity to space travel. The project is led by Pete Worden, former director of NASA's Ames Research Center, and advised by a committee of top scientists and engineers.

Their plan goes like this: They hope to build hundreds of little space probes, each weighing just a few grams and carrying cameras, photon thrusters, power supply, navigation and communication equipment. A rocket would ferry these nanocraft into space, where they would unfold tiny sails.

Powerful laser beams from Earth would then push the sails, propelling the little nanocraft up to 100 million mph -- that's 20% of light speed, far faster than today's spacecraft can travel -- to Alpha Centauri, where they would collect images and other data and beam them back to Earth.

Project leaders estimate that today's fastest spacecraft would take about 30,000 years to reach the Alpha Centauri star system, some 25 trillion miles away. But they believe these nanocraft could fly more than 1,000 times faster, which would allow them to reach Alpha Centauri in about 20 years.

The project's leaders admit they face big engineering challenges, and that any launch is many years and billions of dollars away. But they say their plans are based on technology that already exists or is likely to become available soon.

They also plan to ask the world's scientists for their help by posting public-domain research and soliciting ideas online.

Some scientists are skeptical they can make this happen, given the current limits of technology and the difficulty of raising enough money to fund the project. The Russian-born Milner estimates it could cost as much as $10 billion.

But he and his colleagues for now are optimistic.

"The human story is one of great leaps," Milner said in a statement. "Fifty-five years ago today, (Russian cosmonaut) Yuri Gagarin became the first human in space. Today, we are preparing for the next great leap -- to the stars." by Brandon Griggs

The implications of this is that alien space craft will need windshield wipers for when these little things splat.

They want ideas from great minds. Gifted Supertopians must answer the call.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Apr 13, 2016 - 08:16am PT
How is information sent back? The return radio signal would take 4 years to reach earth. How much transmission power is available in a device that only weighs a few gram? My guess is that they would use a relay station in space to receive a faint signal and beam the data down to earth. Cool idea, and much better use of money than fighting ridiculous wars.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2016 - 10:14am PT
Someone had a dandelion moment of revelation.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 13, 2016 - 12:01pm PT
And going to Alpha Centauri is the intra-galactic equivalent of going from your stove to the refrigerator in your kitchen let alone to the house next door or the bus stop at the end of the block.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Apr 13, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
If you scaled the solar system down to the size of your living room, the distance to Alpha Centauri would be over 10 miles.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 13, 2016 - 01:10pm PT
True, but that scale doesn't convey the distances to the stars in our immediate galactic neighborhood. A scale where the distance from the sun to alpha centauri is the same as from the stove to the refrigerator better illustrates the true intra-galactic distances involved with stars within fifty light years of us and it's slim pickings planet-wise out to that distance.


Nearest exoplanets

Distance / Lying within the habitable zone / Total

< 10 light-years...........0...................................2
< 20 light-years...........6.................................15
< 30 light-years...........8.................................22
< 40 light-years..........10................................24
< 50 light-years..........11............................... 31

We'll undoubtable discover many more exoplanets at all those distances, but it illustrates the scale issue vs opportunities.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Apr 13, 2016 - 04:45pm PT
If there is a planet around Alpha Centari

1. Is it habitable?

2. How many routes has Fred Beckey already done there?
couchmaster

climber
Apr 13, 2016 - 06:57pm PT


I read on the massive something on the Moon thread that Aliens don't exist. So...who's gonna waste cough bet cough $100 million bucks that they do?
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Apr 13, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
if there is a planet there, it would cost $2 million to find out - without going there.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27259-twin-earths-may-lurk-in-our-nearest-star-system/
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Apr 13, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
I think we better put a man on the moon first.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 13, 2016 - 08:52pm PT
We're more than a bit egocentric in these 'go somewhere else' schemes. If panspermia is real, it wouldn't happen from the top down with apex life forms; it would happen bottom up with the smallest and hardiest dna containers available - viruses, sporing bacteria / fungi and animals like tardigrades. Higher lifeforms are too tightly tied to their ecologies and lack the adaptability of lower lifeforms.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 29, 2016 - 01:28am PT
Are we alone? Setting some limits to our planet's uniqueness

The result? By applying the new exoplanet data to the Universe as a whole, Frank and Sullivan find that human civilization is likely to be unique in the cosmos only if the odds of a civilization developing on a habitable planet are less than about one in 10 billion trillion, or one part in 10 to the 22th power.

"Given the vast distances between stars and the fixed speed of light we might never really be able to have a conversation with another civilization anyway," said Frank. "If they were 50,000 light years away then every exchange would take 100,000 years to go back and forth."
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 29, 2016 - 06:21am PT
"Panspermia" ->

the theory that life on the earth originated from microorganisms or chemical precursors of life present in outer space and able to initiate life on reaching a suitable environment.


Learned something new today. I'm going to use it in my first meeting this morning no matter what...

clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2016 - 06:22am PT
"The question of whether advanced civilizations exist elsewhere in the universe has always been vexed with three large uncertainties in the Drake equation," said Adam Frank, professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Rochester and co-author of the paper. "We've known for a long time approximately how many stars exist. We didn't know how many of those stars had planets that could potentially harbor life, how often life might evolve and lead to intelligent beings, and how long any civilizations might last before becoming extinct."


Interesting in this article that includes the statement, "We've known for a long time approximately how many stars exist.", for perspective. Not a long time, our current "vast knowledge" is recent and a cup of water in the ocean by comparison.





The result? By applying the new exoplanet data to the Universe as a whole, Frank and Sullivan find that human civilization is likely to be unique in the cosmos only if the odds of a civilization developing on a habitable planet are less than about one in 10 billion trillion, or one part in 10 to the 22th power.

"One in 10 billion trillion is incredibly small," says Frank "To me, this implies that other intelligent, technology producing species very likely have evolved before us. Think of it this way. Before our result you'd be considered a pessimist if you imagined the probability of evolving a civilization on a habitable planet were, say, one in a trillion. But even that guess, one chance in a trillion, implies that what has happened here on Earth with humanity has in fact happened about a 10 billion other times over cosmic history!"

For smaller volumes the numbers are less extreme. For example, another technological species likely has evolved on a habitable planet in our own Milky Way galaxy if the odds against it evolving on any one habitable planet are better than one chance in 60 billion.

But if those numbers seem to give ammunition to the "optimists" about the existence of alien civilizations, Sullivan points out that the full Drake equation -- which calculates the odds that other civilizations are around today -- may give solace to the pessimists.

"The universe is more than 13 billion years old," said Sullivan. "That means that even if there have been a thousand civilizations in our own galaxy, if they live only as long as we have been around -- roughly ten thousand years -- then all of them are likely already extinct. And others won't evolve until we are long gone. For us to have much chance of success in finding another "contemporary" active technological civilization, on average they must last much longer than our present lifetime."

Nice, healyje.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Apr 29, 2016 - 07:00am PT
Trump already owns the entire Alpha Centauri system, according to Dr. Cosmici.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 12, 2016 - 07:17pm PT
The Limits Of How Far Humanity Can Go In The Universe
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
May 12, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
I recently watched a youtube presentation of a SETI science conference about discovering exoplanets in the alpha-Centauri system. A group has already built a dedicated orbital type telescope integrating adaptive optics and a mini coronagraph to occult the bright star from blinding the optics. It's getting a free ride into orbit along with a communications satellite sometime next year.

The premise of this thread is highly fanciful and will never get funded; the problem of building a big enough laser system to propel the nano space explorers is alone unrealistic. It would need to be in orbit, and would lack sufficient power to photonically propel these little bugger spacecraft. No means of receiving a signal back, due to inadequate transmission power. Remember that signal strength diminishes as the inverse square of distance.
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