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Killer K
Boulder climber
Sacramento, CA
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Nov 30, 2015 - 11:31am PT
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Great episode!
Ok we'll either ban bolts, or we'll ban climbing. Classic.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jan 20, 2018 - 10:55am PT
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New Rock and Ice has a really nice article on Armando.
Huge thanks to him and the early Access Fund members, staff and supporters!
My only question is whether the existing common law and recreational statutes were the critical lynch pin in the Access Fund strategy? Or was the strategy leaning on 'what did the climbing community want, despite its fractured nature at the time?'
were the laws used as a shield or sword, in a way? defending rights believed we had under the law or were we forging wholly new ground? The article reads as if climber's were divided unequivocally on 'access' and we created access rights from nothing. Not sure that's the case. Maybe its a little bit of both creating something new and relying on the traditional use and 'rights' that may have already been there.
Probably not doing this justice, but the bottom line is that land managers were going to create rigorous policy one way or the other and without the forward thinking by folks like Armando, it may all have been banned in National Forest, National Parks and Monuments. Now we have a seat at the table.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jan 20, 2018 - 04:01pm PT
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Access advocacy springs eternal
and sometimes right side up
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ArmandoWyo
climber
Wyoming
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Jan 29, 2018 - 06:22am PT
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I've got one of those AAC Access Committee stickers. And even a T Shirt with same.
At beginning, we had private land issues, and learned all about recreational use statutes. But quickly big issues were on public lands, and in most of USA, climbing is on public lands. There's were our focus was when Access Fund formed. Now Access Fund has regional reps in East and south and private land issues once again prominent.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 29, 2018 - 08:10am PT
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So many times when you get to know somebody you have lionized you get disappointed.
This never happened with me and Armondo, a terrific guy, but we both know of such a case,...
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Alan Rubin
climber
Amherst,MA.
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Jan 29, 2018 - 09:07am PT
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Just to follow up on Armando's response to Munge's question. One of the first things we did as the AAC Access Committee was to compile as comprehensive a list as we could of the 'legalities' of recreational use and public access in each of the States--statutes, court decisions, etc. A good proportion of us were lawyers so that was an area we were very proactive in familiarizing ourselves with. We did make considerable use of this information in our dealings with private landowners where appropriate and there was even lobbying in a few places (not often with great success unfortunately) in an effort to make such statutes stronger or to have them specifically include climbing in those States where the 'protected' uses were designated in the statutory language. I know that in the Northeast, where much of the climbing is on private land, many of the landowners (and their lawyers)were unaware of the existence of such laws in their States, and our educational efforts in that area did, on occasion, have positive impacts in our efforts to secure or maintain access.
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