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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 4, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
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I recently started coiling ropes with the method shown below. It saves having to flake the rope, necessary with the doubled butterfly I've been using. Cool technique, that I wish I'd known earlier :)
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overwatch
climber
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I have tried both ways and for me personally it doesn't save enough time to mess with. it takes longer to coil it initially and it doesn't take that long to flake it out from a traditional butterfly coil. that's just me though
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Always nice to have your sh#t together. I like it.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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The real question: did his buddy drag the rope through the poison oak bush on pitch two?
Hilarity ensues.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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The traditional loop coil stacks the rope even better.
The guy in the video misrepresents it.
If he had read Basic Rockcraft, Royal says not to fight the figure eights.
They are what makes it stack. And you don't add twists.
Still helpful to flake the rope for hard leads, though.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Ok I left out the snark. But
Seems to me that the rope bucket, and a careful flaking before climbing is K.I.S.
Keep It Simple (Stupid.)
When the storms come and the wind blows at fierce pace,
Stuff that cord in haste and make tracks to be safe from thunder and lightning .
Then sure it needs to be flaked out before using allowing for inspection by feel and sight.
Re inventing, sharing 'pro'tricks, is fine, but
It seems that in climbing, the K. I. S. Methods are safe and often the best.
Edit: as per the following post, coil around the knees, in a sitting position,knees high,
Feet together space between, the knees can keep the coils tight.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Ha Ha Ha..... only noobs use their necks for doing the coil.......
A loong time ago, a Scotsman taught me how to do that same coil using only your hands..... "what if that bloody rope is all wet with slush and mud on it? You get all that crap dripping down your back.... "
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Noobs at work:
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Noob rope-coiling at 4:42.
Another noob, equally clueless:
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The gear editor of Climbing Magazine has no idea:
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Etc, etc, etc.
Now it would be noobish to coil a wet and/or muddy rope over your neck, and that's why most climbers have somehow managed to learn more than one way to coil their ropes.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Thanks, that was cool of freddy and Uli.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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I coil on my neck because I've found that belaying and rope management can significantly add to my fatigue in a long day. Anything to shave off a little energy consumption. Who cares about getting dirty? Pansy Scottish apparently. There. I said it. I'm a racist.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Necks also work if your hands are small.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Mar 14, 2016 - 08:35pm PT
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I'm going to try the method kunlun shared now. I've used my neck forever- but I'm still lazy and start with 2 ends to go faster, even though I definitely dislike rope tangling on itself or needing to reflake.
Funny enough what reminded me of this thread, and considering trying it, was something I saw while shopping for some music gear:
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Pretty clear demo showing the twisting consequences of regular mountaineer's coil which I've never used.
Has anyone used this "over under" thing with mountaineers coil to still look old-fashioned manly while avoiding rope twisting?
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Mar 14, 2016 - 10:06pm PT
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I could never get the mountaineer coil to not make a mess.
(Maybe I should practice instead of fartin' around on the tacotube.)
but I do like Mike's how-to:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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BigB
Trad climber
Red Rock
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Mar 15, 2016 - 06:07am PT
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Mikes soooo RAD!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 15, 2016 - 06:18am PT
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You guys probably fold your tent too. Lol
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Mar 15, 2016 - 06:29am PT
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Escopeta-Nice, Minor Threat. Excellent album to boot!! :-D
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 15, 2016 - 06:35am PT
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Well played Cap'n
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Mar 15, 2016 - 08:33am PT
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Why doesn't the guy in the OP video deploy the rope at the end to show that it will without tangling?
I like the gal from climbing magazine the best although she wraps the rope with the tails way too many times. I like the idea of starting from the middle to work the kinks out the end.
I kind of like warble hairs double Mountaineer coil I will have to try that. As far as overundering I have worked with Stage production companies that went ape sh#t if you use the over under on the cables. they wanted you to run all the Kinks out the end of the cable each time it was coiled.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 15, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
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How's that rope bag work on the side of a steep cliff there Escopeta?
That's where most of us climb y'know.
Feel the Bern
Not sure I understand the question there Warbler? It always worked on the side of the steep cliffs I was familiar with?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 15, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
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I thought this thread needed some pictures going forward
this old thing is awesome for doubles (2 Ropes, flaked in, not twisted into coils)
I'll clip it in to a point 'cause Im still playin' in steep rubble,
` at the base of my overhanging choss`
Edit,
Mostly I use a single 60m 10.5, and coil it either way,
When I use the 'standard ' coil I let the twists fall as they may,
then go with the direction of the twist, folding the rope into a ball, and stuff it into the bottom of the pack.
azs for the other way to carry a rope Lashed to ones back,
the second's or third's and split the rest of the gear
as unevenly as I need to, depending on how lame my ankle feels.
I only bag the double ropes - not twins - 2, 60m, 8.8 mm, that is skinny enough.
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