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crankster
Trad climber
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Mar 24, 2015 - 04:36pm PT
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Take a pill. Locals don't own the damn crags. And I'm one of them.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 24, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
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Buddha.... good on you for asking these questions.....
when the ACESS FUND worked on the trail up to Suicide.... those jackasses cut through the MONEY TREE.... you know the one, the one where every climber from Powell, Robbins, Long, Muir and a whole host of other hard-men would offer up a Dime or a Penny to the crags in hopes of good luck with the days climbing, the one you had to duck under, now- no more ducking down.... what an improvement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
METH
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Mar 24, 2015 - 06:28pm PT
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Since you seem to have a pretty strong opinion about what should be done with Donner crags, you could always offer to help them out.
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sempervirens
climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:20am PT
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bstalin, did you try to e-mail them? info@norcalcrags.org
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:24am PT
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Nobody is extrapolating anything. Whether you realize it or not, your post came out defensive and swinging. Your public game of 20 questions effectively makes it clear that you question the ability or competence of the organization to affect any positive change toward DS access. Since the details that you want are not readily apparent, why not just contact CRAGS and ask them directly? Their website is easy to find and has even has an email and phone number. I don't doubt that you have great intentions when it comes to DS. It sounds like there are some real access issues with DS and organizations like CRAGS are only trying to help. Rather than publicly questioning their competence, I think it would have been much more productive to contact them directly, get your questions answered, and offer your assistance. If you still feel like they're doing more damage than good...then come back and post up.
http://www.norcalcrags.org/
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james Colborn
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:32am PT
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Im with Buddha on this one. Hell yes, come out swinging. Save Donner Summit... from being.. "Saved"!
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crankster
Trad climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:41am PT
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Defensive "locals"....why don't you set up a checkpoint on the road? Interview all people coming to help with a short Q & A. I mean, it's your right since it's your rock.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:14am PT
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:23am PT
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One look at the website will tell you that CRAGS has been around since 2008 and they were instrumental in securing the opening of Auburn quarries. The Hans FLorine event is listed on their events page, but the Adopt-a-Crag is not. Sure there are few details, but once again, it seems pretty easy to contact them directly and get all your answers. They seem to be linked with the Donner Truckee Land Trust effort:
http://saveldonnerclimbing.org
You've been busy? In the time it took you to write all these posts, your email could have been done. There is nothing wrong with your questions. Just the delivery. Clearly I'm not the only one who thinks so. Enjoy...hopefully I'll see you up at Black Wall sometime; climbing or doing trail work.
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sempervirens
climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:33am PT
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stalin,
Maybe you could get Steve Grossman on the case. Much like him you are too busy to waste precious supertopo posting time to bother asking them directly. Those CRAGS members should show respect to the locals. They are outsiders, "far outsiders". Do they have a "connection" like you? Do they even know the "proper trails"? You should demand that an admission that they would do things differently next time. (I feckin' crack myself up)
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The Dude
climber
Truckee, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:48am PT
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Just curious, has the land owner of black wall granted permission to "repair trails and general work" on his property? Last bit of hearsay is that he's getting a little irritated with the pressure from these non-profits... Just askin.
I'm hoping the answer is yes. I'd love to see a good outcome.
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 09:11am PT
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Having only been there a few times I can attest that finding the "correct" trail was not trivial. I definitely saw a lot of bushwack trails through the manzanita and saw a number of people thrutching up through the brush.
I came out here from NC and can tell you first hand what positive effect AF-type organizations can have when access parcels come up for sale. The Carolina Climbers Coalition was instrumental in securing access by buying or leasing parcels to great areas like Laurel Knob, Rumbling Bald, Hidden valley...many of which that had land owners close legal access for years. Of course, in the process of gaining access to these fine areas, the CCC encountered push back from "local' climbers (many of whom continued to illegally access these areas) that wanted things done their way. I'd hate to see this happen to a fine place like DS but conflicts are inevitable when private entities own crag land or their surrounding access. I think that efforts to purchase the access parcel and maintain the crag are definitely worth while.
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Mar 25, 2015 - 10:51am PT
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This is what happens when "locals" grow tired of doing the same routes over and over again. They gotta save the crag! 280k could be used for something other than for some priviledged white guys elitist sport/life style.
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