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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 21, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
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Because of something they've read here, that is. Is anyone now an atheist who was formerly a believer or vice versa? Is anyone now a hangdogger who was formerly a traditionalist (but seriously, folks)? Does anybody concede that human-caused global warming is true who formerly thought otherwise? Are humans capable of changing deeply held beliefs?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:03pm PT
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I used to think climbers were smart ;-)
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
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I'm just hoping that you're not calling me a hangdogger, ksolem.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
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None of the three you mentioned, but yes.
EDIT: Whoops, misread the OP. The answer is no. In fact nothing I've read here has changed even a loosely held belief, or even one I was neutral on.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:09pm PT
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Are humans capable of changing deeply held beliefs?
That is the real question, isn't it. But this site, changed my deeply held beliefs? No, only re-inforced them.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:10pm PT
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No, not at all. But reading the various posts makes me realize that there are a lot of d-bags and addelpated idiots, like Gary and Mechrist, running around out there. There are a few super sharp ST folks who's posts I always read carefully and give weight to. Rgold and Clint Cummins, are good examples of that although there are plenty more, yet I don't believe either of them have been posting their political or religious beliefs. They post to technical issues related to climbing, climbing history and routes generally.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
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Hey! Gary is a good man. I don't always agree with him but jeez, a d-bag? Over the top.
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ground_up
Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
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Yes...I think we are capable of changing deeply held beliefs
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
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I used to hold the belief nuclear energy was a really effin' bad idea, but I'm really excited about the possibilities of thorium-driven nuclear reactors.
Does that count?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:41pm PT
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Yeah, right, DMT, I'm buyin' that....
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
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I've changed a weakly held opinion and recognized a few errors of mine due to supertopo.
Does that count?
Hmm deeply held belief? I have one I can think of. I exist. Another is that You Exist. Although I am just slightly less sure of that. Probably can't change my thoughts on that without destroying my brain. But then I'd suspect I would cease to exist. Not sure about that though.
I have some strong opinions that can be changed but take pretty solid evidence.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 21, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
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Jody and Werner made me rethink my position on cops having assault weapons.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jan 21, 2015 - 07:08pm PT
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I've seen this thread before. Almost same title. I swear!
to the OP, not deeply held arguments, no. Usually they are well reasoned by then and hyperbole, illogic, and self-assertions don't sway arguments in directions. They create stalemates.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Jan 21, 2015 - 07:19pm PT
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Interesting that Jaybro brought up Jody. I actually listened (well read) what Jody and Fatrrad had to say and tried to see the world from their perspectives. The times however, were not a changin'. I did change my initial perception of both fellows though.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
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So Munge, it wasn't me was it?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 21, 2015 - 07:31pm PT
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Kris, thanks, man.
couchmaster,
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:12pm PT
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Did he ever get his green card...?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:12pm PT
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concede that human-caused global warming is likely true Likely is not nearly good enough. There is NO meaningful scientific doubt.
Scientists are by nature skeptical. They will always question each other's data and conclusions but they won't change their minds on this subject except by overwhelming evidence. The body of verifiable evidence is substantial and overwhelms and "denier" conclusions so far. Regardless of what Murdoch/Koch Faux Newz you may hear to the contrary.
I've changed strongly (not deeply) held opinions but not from any discussions here.
About 8 years ago, The Economist had a brilliant article completely destroying any rational reason to oppose marriage between people of the same sex.
I had been feeling odd about it for several years. I couldn't think of a rational reason to oppose it but had lingering doubts. (likely because I grew up in Salt Lick City Utaaahhr where being gay was not just "icky" but likely to leave you ostracised from "polite" society). I changed my mind overnight.
It is indeed possible to allow rational thought to change your opinions.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:16pm PT
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It is indeed possible to allow rational thought to change your opinions.
Yes!
The gay marriage issue is easy. It is a basic right/libery for any two adults to enter into marriage. It doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks about it.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
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Jaybro
rethink my position on cops having assault weapons. It all depends on context.
The cop on the street. No way.
A small, highly trained and disciplined Reaction Force is essential. But they sure as H**L shouldn't have MRAPs.
And they'd da**ed well better not break down doors and terrorize families for any reason other than to stop violence in process.
But don't let me get back on that soapbox.
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