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BooDawg
Social climber
Butterfly Town
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 15, 2015 - 05:39pm PT
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Ever Better Community 2 Conference Announcement:
http://www.yosemitecloseup.com/stories/sierra-sustainability/
Ken Yager and the Yosemite Climbing Association have long envisioned and advocated for a Yosemite Climbing History Museum in Yosemite Valley. I am in full support of these efforts.
However, it is abundantly clear to me that there is enough climbing hardware and other artifacts available to support the display and interpretation of more than one site for a Yosemite Climbing History Museum. I am proposing that a site in or near Mariposa town be considered.
I, and others, have addressed some of my thoughts on these issues previously here:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1271817/Ancestors-Archiving-Crossings-of-California-T-R
I want to invite you all to attend the Ever Better Community II Conference on Saturday, March 28th at the Mariposa County Fairgrounds, Bldg. A, from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. You can either google it or follow this link to it: http://everbettercommunity.org/index.html
The Conference is essentially a citizen-based planning effort for the town and County of Mariposa where the agenda will be set by those who attend, so that the agenda will reflect the concerns and ideas of the citizens of Mariposa County. However, those who are not residents, but who attend, will have equal say in the outcome of this conference.
One of the issues that I, personally, plan to propose for discussion is a Yosemite Climbing History Museum that would be located in, or near, Mariposa town. I don’t see this as a replacement for Ken Yager’s proposal for one in the Valley. In fact, Ken is VERY supportive of this idea as well. Yet, I have quite a pile of gear, and I just acquired Tom Gerughty’s gear from his brother after Tom’s passing. And Joe McKeown (Guido), Don Lauria, Dennis Hennek (who made equipment for both Chouinard and Dolt) and others are looking for places to preserve & display our gear.
As one of the organizers of the conference, I plan to put the idea for a Yosemite Climbing Museum on the agenda. So, there will be a 50-minute discussion about the opportunities and potential for follow-up later. I’m also inviting Yosemite park staff, the Yosemite Conservancy (who owns land in Mariposa), and other Mariposa land-owners, Steve Grossman (who has told me that he will attend), and others.
If you can plan to attend, then please go to the conference website (link is above) and click on the Contact Us page and tell us that you plan to attend and, if you so desire, add a title for yourself.
I look forward to seeing you there and to hearing your concerns and ideas for a Yosemite Climbing History Museum in Mariposa.
Please feel free to PM me through the Taco website.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Jan 15, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
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Please relieve me of a bit of confusion, here, KenB. There seems to be an important part missing here.
At the first Oakdale event, Jerry Galwas---certainly a pillar from the Golden Age and quite powerful today--- told Ken Y. that all KenY had to do was find a property and Jerry would fund a museum in Mariposa. This would have been 27 months ago, I figure. He absolutely meant it.
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Obviously this would not be "Jerry's Museum" but ours, the climbing community's. I see Jerry's offer to be an angel as very important and fortuitous piece of the upcoming puzzle and it must not be ignored This is how such institutions are general put in place, in my long experience with a number of non-profits.
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BooDawg
Social climber
Butterfly Town
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2015 - 06:04pm PT
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The idea has not died but also has not moved far forward. This conference will bring together many stakeholders for the future of Mariposa, including those, like Ken and me, who desire a place for displaying and interpreting the artifacts of Yosemite climbing history. The idea is to have everyone interested in this topic sitting face-to-face and brainstorming the best outcome for our collective desires. I encourage everyone who has an interest in this idea to attend the conference and offer your input about how to best go about utilizing this incredible opportunity to create a lasting legacy to our collective experiences.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jan 15, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
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I can't be there but I certainly favor getting at least one of these museums off the ground sooner rather than later. Given my experience with the Park bureaucracy, I think they could still be discussing the issue 100 years from now. Meanwhile the town of Mariposa, tourists, and climbing community could all be benefitting. Especially in light of the massive media coverage of the Dawn Wall, now would seem like a good time to act.
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BooDawg
Social climber
Butterfly Town
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2015 - 06:34pm PT
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Whether the Dawn Wall media coverage will still be relevant, come March 28th and beyond is an open question. But the need and desire for a place to display and interpret our Yosemite Climbing History artifacts will continue until such a place, or places is/are established, wherever they may be...
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ryankelly
Trad climber
Bhumi
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Jan 15, 2015 - 10:31pm PT
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Interesting stakeholder engagement project. I will attend.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Jan 16, 2015 - 12:34am PT
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Mariposa is a who cares meth lab afterthought.
Fresno at least has some substance to it.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 16, 2015 - 07:53am PT
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What a stupid thing to say ß Î Ø T Ç H
Anyways what about you guys getting a Construction type trailer and parking it somewhere by Camp 4 parking lot.
Across the street?
Something like this
It's non permanent and can be easily removed if needed.
You staff it during the busy months of the season as "Yosemite Climbing Museum"
Just a thought? Probably a stupid idea?
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Under Achiever
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Jan 16, 2015 - 08:13am PT
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Love Werner's Porta-Mu.
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Seriously. Out-of-the-Box thinking may be required, which is Werner's specialty.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 16, 2015 - 08:30am PT
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Good on you for getting the train back on the rails Boodawg.
Time to give Jerry Galwas a call it appears:
Peter Hann noted: "At the first Oakdale event, Jerry Galwas---certainly a pillar from the Golden Age and quite powerful today--- told Ken Y. that all KenY had to do was find a property and he would make a museum happen in Mariposa. This would have been 27 months ago, I figure. "
Check these Coordinates as a possible museum:
5053 Hwy 140, Mariposa, CA 95338
Studio -- baths 1,406 sqft
For Sale
$275,000
Right on Highway 140. Zoned commercial, 1400 sq feet.
Show up with hammers and remodel the interior if needed. Git on it. Mia Gloor from Cathey's Valley Real Estate appears to have the listing, call her at (209) 230-9050
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StefanS
Trad climber
Leavenworth WA
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Jan 16, 2015 - 08:52am PT
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You could build a timber frame on the outside of the construction trailer. That would give it more interest and fit into the existing surroundings better. Then it could be removed and recycled when its not needed.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Jan 16, 2015 - 08:55am PT
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Yeah, Couch, that listing looks great.
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ryankelly
Trad climber
Bhumi
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Jan 16, 2015 - 12:46pm PT
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Kind of makes sense if climbers took over that place: a bunch of nuts!
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 16, 2015 - 12:58pm PT
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Stefans said: "You could build a timber frame on the outside of the construction trailer. That would give it more interest and fit into the existing surroundings better. Then it could be removed and recycled when its not needed. "
The problem with the temporary trailer/buildout, is getting permission to stick it and leave it where you want. I would bet that getting the signoffs for plopping that down anyplace in Yos would be excruciatingly slow. On the other hand, The Yosemite Nut House is already sited, approved and operating commercially.
Touch base beforehand with the local politicians (mayor/board of supervisors) to confirm that they'd be interested in a museum and build some relationships. They should be stoked to see free spending touron-units show up in town to toss greenbacks about, and very supportive should any building permits need to be pulled to remodel or expand.
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BooDawg
Social climber
Butterfly Town
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2015 - 04:46pm PT
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I like the brainstorming on here, and I agree that some movable options should be explored as well as more traditional spaces. There are plenty of artifacts available, so we want to be thinking creatively.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 20, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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bump - this is coming up NEXT WEEKEND.
Any creative thinking being done yet?
What's up, BooDawg?
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StefanS
Trad climber
Leavenworth WA
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Mar 20, 2015 - 05:24pm PT
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Hey Couchmaster
Approval is going to be the crux for any project like this. Even with the commercial listing its not without issues. That is a retail use for local code/zoning and a museum may be a change in the occupancy of the building. Which opens a can of building code whup ass on you, potentially.
I like the modular building idea. You could probably have them make one for you, to your specs. You could plan what is going on inside and have it finished or stubbed in when it was delivered.
I am working with a local group on a Forest Service building near by. They take a year to process our request, and thats on the hurry up.
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BooDawg
Social climber
Butterfly Town
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
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Yes, Mouse! The Ever Better Community Conference-II is THIS WEEKEND! For more about the Conference itself and the formatting, one can go to this article that I wrote for the Sierra Sun Times:
[url="http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/news/letters-to-the-editor/2410-letter-to-the-editor-join-us-at-the-ever-better-community-conference-in-mariposa-on-march-28"]
I've recently reviewed all of the postings on this thread and the "Ancestors and Archiving" thread, and there a lot of very good opinions on this topic, everything from fixed VS portable structures to websites VS physical sites to suggestions for funding.
Please come on Saturday morning to the Mariposa County Fairgrounds, Bldg A. Doors open at 8:30; we plan to start at 9:00 a.m.
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BooDawg
Social climber
Butterfly Town
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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I just spoke with Ken Yager, and he told me that he's planning to come on Saturday, so we should have a GREAT discussion!
In the meantime remember the 4 Principles:
1) Whoever comes is the right people.
2) Whatever happens is the only thing that could have.
3) Whenever it starts is the right time.
4) When it's over, it's over.
And the 1 Law, the Law of Mobility:
"If you find that you are neither learning something nor contributing, then use your mobility and go to some more productive place."
And Be Prepared to Be Surprised!
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john hansen
climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 09:56pm PT
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Aloha Brother..
Always supported the Yosemite Climbing Museum. Mariposa would be a good spot.
With you and Ken working together, that is a great team.
I know this museum will eventually come together. Mariposa would be a good base to start from , and have some periodic displays in the valley.
Perhaps 10 or so years from now if we are lucky there could be a permanent museum in the valley.
You mentioned some pretty big backing from a "some one" ???
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