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tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 28, 2014 - 07:18am PT
this story from wisconsin is interesting. what is the proper ethic?
ONEIDA, Wis. (AP) — A dispute over a nine-point buck in Wisconsin was settled with a coin flip.

Wisconsin's deer season was just a couple hours old on Saturday when D.J. Jorgenson says his 11-year-old son, Kameron, wounded the buck in the town of Oneida.

"Deer hit the ground, and it came back up, and took off running," Jorgenson said.

The father and son then tracked the animal through the woods to a neighbor's property, Jorgenson told WLUK-TV (http://bit.ly/1uGWtCm ). Before they could get to it, neighbor Randy Heyrman shot the buck twice from his deer stand to finish it off.

With the deer dead and the hunters deadlocked over who could keep it, they flipped a coin.

"So I dug in my pocket. I grabbed out a quarter. (Heryman) did the coin flip. My boy called tails, and it was heads. And (Heryman) said, 'Well, it looks like it's my deer then,'" Jorgenson said.

All Kameron got was a photo.

Hunters need permission to follow a deer onto private property, and the landowner has a right to take the deer, according to Shad Webster of the Oneida Conservation Department.

Even though Heyrman legally had a right to keep the deer, he said the coin flip was a fair way to settle the dispute. But Jorgenson disagrees.

"I wish he would have done the right thing to begin with. All my son wants is his deer that he shot," he said.

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this just in

climber
north fork
Nov 28, 2014 - 08:19am PT
Sorry Jingy, but us adults also make bad shots. It's a horrible feeling, but everyone who has hunted does it. I would have given the kid the buck.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2014 - 09:49am PT
I think it kind of depends on the distance and time between the two incidents. you get a good hit, the deer sprints 100yrds and stops to bleed out, someone else blasts it and claims it, not cool. if on the otherhand you have a bad shot and are running the deer and someone else shoots it then it's their deer INMOP
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Nov 28, 2014 - 10:22am PT
Split the meat, give the kid the head/rack.

Once you are hunting for "trophies" rather than meat, any question about ethics is moot. There are no ethics involved in trophy hunting.

ruppell

climber
Nov 28, 2014 - 10:28am PT
First, no one said anything about them trophy hunting. The kid just happened to be lucky enough to get a shot at a large buck. It could have been a spike and the question would still be valid.

Second, whoever gets the fatal shot gets the dear. Look at it this way. If the other hunter wasn't there the father and son could have tracked that deer for miles. They may or may not have been able to recover it. They never got that opportunity because another hunter took it down. It's his.

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2014 - 11:29am PT
I tend to agree with that unless the other hunter was right on top of them in which case it gets messy.... It pretty common for a deer to run 100m and then stop and bleed out.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 28, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
Tami, good shooting. Bull's eye.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 28, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
The 11 year old needs to learn to shoot. The other dude was a dick.
They could have split the meat. It takes two to tango.
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Nov 28, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
It's fun watching non-hunters debate things like this.
Tough lesson for the kid. Probably needs to spend some more time target shooting.

Here is something hunting related that is much more worthy of getting butt hurt over.

http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/environmental/onlookers-dismayed-by-elk-herding-hunters/article_a21e928d-926e-5fd9-b92c-9886d4d0fe3e.html
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 28, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
There are rules (by which I mean laws) involved in hunting. Hunting is serious business.

the 13 y/o needs to understand these rules if he is going to hunt. Rules are not "options" that don't apply if you are 13 y/o. It's an adult's business, it is not a game. When the buck crossed the boundary onto private property, he'd lost the animal.

He doesn't get points for wounding the animal.

The guy was big for doing the coin toss, he need not have done that, but gave the kid a chance. For those of you who are holy, God did not want him to have the buck.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 28, 2014 - 02:06pm PT
Sort of like the grown man reaching up and snatching a foul ball away from a kid with a glove. Hunting is just a lot more pathetic than going to a ball game.

just kidding Ron
rincon

Trad climber
Coarsegold
Nov 28, 2014 - 02:47pm PT
Look... hunters see themselves as one thing...
they claim to be at one with nature... closer to earth... a better brand of human. The kind you would always want to have on your team


Oh really? All hunters? Way to stereotype! Shows how much you know.

Here's one; City people hate hunting, but love beef from inhumane feedlots that's processed in slaughter houses with the worst working conditions imaginable, but think that hunting wild animals and eating them is mean.

Climbers just love to argue about ethics, even in other sports!
rincon

Trad climber
Coarsegold
Nov 28, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
What's your point? You're also capable of thinking like a dick?
Bingo!

Just an example of sterotyping jebus. My point is jingy is clueless about the sport of hunting, as are most people these days... because most people get their food from the supermarket and don't think about where it comes from...and it's not a pretty place.
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Nov 28, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
It doesn't bother me that non-hunters are clueless about hunting. What does bother me is how many hunters are clueless about hunting.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 28, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
There are rules (by which I mean laws) involved in hunting. Hunting is serious business.

the 13 y/o needs to understand these rules if he is going to hunt. Rules are not "options" that don't apply if you are 13 y/o. It's an adult's business, it is not a game. When the buck crossed the boundary onto private property, he'd lost the animal.

He doesn't get points for wounding the animal.

The guy was big for doing the coin toss, he need not have done that, but gave the kid a chance. For those of you who are holy, God did not want him to have the buck.

Bottom line, right there. You win some and lose some. That's what God rendered to the boy. (If yer a religious sort...).

EDIT:
The best harvesters I've run into are SE Asians here in Northern California. They would climb the bridge girders for pigeon eggs, fish huge fish in tiny home made boats, and cull ducks from the city ponds. Those folks acted like they won the grocery sweepstakes! I bet they didn't give a solitary flying f*#k about sportsmen and their ethics.


Talk about no ethics! SE Asians and Russian immigrants are the worst poachers in the Bay Area!!! It's a DFG fact. Sturgeon, Abalone, crabs, etc...
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Nov 28, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
Hunting Ethics: If you kill it, you eat it. End of story.




I started reading the thread but after the OP I got bored so I thought I'd just spout this deep philosophical statement and see if I could get some hate.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 28, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
was fishing the old San Mateo Bridge here, now know as the San Mateo Municipal Fishing Pier because that's all it serves with the advent of the newer, better bridge.

I hooked a nice Bat Ray and got him up onto the bridge and was preparing to release him. A 'SE Asian' man asked if he could keep it and I reluctantly gave it to him thinking he'd be humane and harvest the fish properly.

He cut the f-ing wings off the ray and kicked the wingless, live ray back into the bay. Who would do this to animal? Kill it outright and harvest it, but don't do that!!!

I've read multiple similar stories locally. The DFG is getting good though and the have cliff-side scouts now and Abalone/crab checkpoints.

The DFG is serious about this and they f-ing should be! The Abalone is getting decimated!

The wild boar/pigs in the area OTOH need to be seriously quelled. There are too many and they cause land damage.

It's all about conservationism and species management. Wisely.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Nov 28, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
Gooood.. Goooooood!


Feel the hate.


Let it flooowww.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 28, 2014 - 07:14pm PT


rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2014 - 05:48am PT
"My point is simply that I don't understand why it seems so important to kill critters that are just wandering around for no good reason.

"Hunters somehow seem to always either be shooting themselves, or accidentally shooting their partners. I find a lot of irony in that. "


Yep. Yepppity-yep-yep-yep.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 28, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
"My point is simply that I don't understand why it seems so important to kill critters that are just wandering around for no good reason.

Were they Black?

That would explain a lot.
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